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The Bobadillas married into my ancestory Tree; Antonio Bobadilla's daughter-in-law Juana Cardenas is my 2nd cousin 6x removed and her mother Micaela de Gaete Escobedo is my 1st cousin 7x removed.

I have documentation for 3 children of Antonio Bobadilla born abt 1670: Nicolas, Maria Leonarda, and Pablo Antonio.

Other Trees show 4 more children of Antonio Bobadilla: Margarita b: ABT 1690 Bolaños, Jalisco, Mexico
Joseph Andres b: abt 1693
Juan Pedro b: abt 1695
and Gertrudis b: abt 1700 Bolaños, Jalisco, Mexico.

I have found most of these individuals BUT have been unable to find proof/documentation that Margarita, Joseph Andres, Juan Pedro, and Gertrudis are children of Antonio Bobadilla. Many other members' Trees have them but none provide documentation or proof.

Can anyone help me with the proof or documentation?

Sleepless in Hayward,

Joseph de Leon

Hi Paul,
The marriage record states that Jose's parents were Jose Leon de Pena and Juana Maria de Soto, both deceased. He was originally from Valle de San Mateo del Pilon, which is in Nuevo Leon. Maria Rufina's parents are Feliz Jimenez and Margarita de Vargas. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19050-64444-88?cc=1874591&wc…

Regards,
Austin Perez

José Martín de Peña con María Rufina Jiménez, en el Arroyo Seco, proclama en 25, 28 de octubre y 1 de noviembre
En Teocaltiche en ocho de noviembre de dicho año [mil setecientos sesenta y uno], habiendo precedido informaciones y amonestaciones inter missarum solemnia en tres días festivos según dispone el Santo Concilio y no resultado impedimento, casé y velé ''in facie ecclesiae'' a José Martín de Peña, mestizo, hijo legítimo de José León de Peña y de Juana María de Soto, difuntos, originario del Valle de San Mateo del Pilón y vecino en el Arroyo Seco tiempo de un año con María Rufina Jiménez, española, hija legítima de Feliz Jiménez y de Margarita de Vargas, originaria y vecina en dicho Arroyo, padrinos José Ascencio de Ruvalcaba y María Antonia de Ruvalcaba, testigos los dichos. Y lo firmé.
Pedro José Álvarez Tostado

what do you mean by forsaken?

Hi Paige,

I would say Cristóbal de Medina is probably related to Luis de Medina Valdivia in some way, I'm just not exactly sure how. On the IM of Cristóbal de Medina's son Don Diego de Medina y Lomas he's listed as Don Cristóbal de Medina y Valdivia: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12149-60873-6?cc=1502404&w…

On the marriage of his son Juan de Medina, the scribe appears to write in Altuna after Medina for both Juan and Cristóbal de Medina, which may be another clue to his ancestry:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30254-64?cc=1502404&…

Unfortunately, without an actual record listing his parents, we can't know for sure. Maybe someone else in the forum has more information.
Chris

Primera vez que escucho este apellido!, Busca en la pagina de familysearch.org, por el apellido, ahí aparecen algunos individuos en Ojo Caliente, a finales de 1800, muy posiblemente parientes de tu bisabuelo. por ejemplo:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZXN-D5S

Estoy seguro que te serán de interés.

considering that their child antonia was born in villanueva in 1873, they prbably got married there
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15089-36194-29?cc=1804458&wc…

here's a baptism for their son feliciano
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-64647-92?cc=1874591&wc…

Hi Mary Lou

I have Antonio Lopez de la Cerda as 'hijo de padres no conocidos' based on the marriage record for Antonio Lopez and Josefa Ruiz de Esparza (aka Alonso de los Hinojos) daughter of Jose Alonso de los Hinojos and Teresa Ruiz de Esparza. This Antonio Lopez de la Cerda is "originario y vecino de Teocaltiche"The marriage record is found at (3rd on the left): https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30346-59?cc=1502404

Also, the marriage record of Juan Lopez de la Cerda and Ana Maria Munoz de la Barba is at (1st on left): https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-36042-9?cc=1874591&wc=…

Thanks for the information for Esteban Lopez de la Cerda and also for the parents of Rosa Maria and Josefa Ramirez de Hermosillo.

Austin

Lisa

This is a request for 'dispensa de banas', actually it is two dispensas. The first (images 249-257) is the marriage dispensation for Luis de Carvajal and Catalina de Chavez and the second is for Juan Sanchez de Paez and Maria de Jauregui. It appears that their father Juan Francisco de Jauregui is opposed to his daughters pending marriages. If I read this correctly Juan Francisco, As described by one of the witnesses, is wreakless and fearless "...es un hombre de terrible y grande condicion y temerario y que sabe que a tirado y tira acabarar los matrimonios de sus hijas" and the fact that one daughter just gave birth and the other pregnant and close to "full term" seems to have set-off Juan Francisco and either he caused that the two grooms be jailed in Mexticacan or the two ran off and later were apprehended by the Mexticacan official (regidor) either way they escaped from jail and sought sanctuary in the Mexticacan parrish church.

The handwriting for the most part was difficult for me to read but from what I could make out there isn't any genealogical info. that helps add to the Jauregui ancestry.

Austin

Hi Ronnie

you have to search in the church Asunción de María (Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes)

Mexico, Aguascalientes, Catholic Church Records are available online, click here.
Microfilm de manuscritos en Aguascalientes

La parroquia también es denominada El Sagrario y Catedral-Basílica de la Asunción de María.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, and deaths from the city of Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. Text in Spanish. Include indexes.
Incluye registros de las auxiliares de Cañada Honda, Palo Alto y Santa María.
Algunos tomos incluyen índice

hope it helps :)

Julieta Martha

----Message d'origine----
De : chilerey@msn.com
Date : 23/06/2015 - 00:29 ()
À : research@nuestrosranchos.org
Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] El Sagrario -Aguascalientes

Hola Members , I am researching a Maria Fermina Munoz -daughter of Herculano Munoz and Tiburcia Jimenez.

Maria Fermina Munoz born 08 of July 1908 in Aguascalientes ,Aguascalientes . Maria Fermina 's baptismal date is 19 of July in El Sagrario in Aguascalientes.

The problem is either I am slow or I am not looking in the right spot , I can't find El Sagrario -Aguascalientes in order to search for records.

I have been looking at Family Search Records -Church and Civil with no luck. Does anybody know where to look for El Sagrario -Aguascalientes or Civil Records.

I base my dates on a copy of a baptismal record of El Sagrario but I can't find them in the Familysearch web

Thank you for your time

Ronnie Reynoso

i found it by looking under the asuncin de maria section under aguascalientes.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11597-88398-29?cc=1502404&…

Hola Bernardo

Encontre en FamilySearch el matrimonio de Jose Cosme Garcia y Maria Martina Moran casados en 12 julio 1789 en Aguascalientes.
<"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11584-152198-75?cc=1502404… : accessed 05 Nov 2014), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Matrimonios 1782-1791 > image 453 of 572; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes [Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes].>

Entre otro hijos tambien tuvieron Maria de Jesus que fue bautizada 17 junio 1796 en la villa de la Encarnacion (muy cercas de Aguascalientes).
<"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18524-8929-32?cc=1874591&wc=… : accessed 05 Nov 2014), Encarnación de Díaz > La Encarnación > Bautismos 1778-1802 > image 396 of 660; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco [Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco].>

Austin Perez

The number of the film 299421 (you can see it at the bottom of the reference record in your link) belongs to the first book of the "Bautismos" not the "Matrimonios", in many places, the records are mix in the earliest books, is not uncommon to find all type of records within a single book, (marriages, christenings, confirmations, deaths) you are lucky in this case since they were indexed, I've seen books where only the christenings were indexed and thus the rest of the information would never come on the searches. same goes to the oldest books for Marriages and Deaths containing other type of records.

Hi Lawrence

I was skimming through one of the sources for which I provided a link in my previous comment (the description of Martin Cortes conspiracy) and came across the following:
(there are a lot of mistakes because its an old text someone scanned in)
____

11 de Abril. La audiencia manda soltar en fiado á Diego
Arias, que está preso en las casas del tesorero D. Hernando de
Portugal, por los sesenta dias primeros siguientes.

30 de Mayo. A petición del procurador de Diego Arias, se le
proroga por sesenta dias mas la soltura en fiado, para que acabe
de convalecer de sus enfermedades en Michoacán, donde está con
su muger e hijos.

30 de Julio. Segunda próroga por otros sesenta dias en favor
de Diego Arias.

____

It mentions that his wife (by that time - 1566 - he is married to Dona Maria Tramuel, mentioned earlier in the text) and his children are in Michoacan.
If he lived there with his second wife, perhaps he also lived there with his first wife, Leonor? Earlier in the text it is mentioned that Diegos encomiendo is there in the province of Michoacan, pueblos of Tarinbaro. Perhaps Petronila was born there?

Also, a third Sotelo brother is mention: Gaspar. The text also mentions the names of Baltasar Sotelos parents:
__________

dixo
que este confesante es baltasar de sotelo hijo de antonio de sotelo
capitán que fué de gente de armas por su magestad natural de la
ciudad de Qamora e de usenda nuñez hija de pero nufiez vela na-
tural de cuellar e que este confesante nació en aldea de palo junto
á la dicha cibdad de Qamora e que es de hedad de quarenta e cin-
co años poco mas o menos e que a veinte e quatro años que pasó
de los reynos de castilla a las provincias del perú en el tienpo que...
___________

I dont know if Baltasar and Diego had the same mother, but at least the info on the father would be reliable...

Regards,
Denise
ps thanks for writing in, I have this text in a doc since before Christmas but hadnt had time to read it. Your post made me pull it up and read it!

Hi Lawrence

George is right that the only recent definitive information is the marriage dispensation. He also mentions (in an email in Ancestry.com.au) that in the Codex Chimalpahin there is a reference to children of Diego Sotela and Leonor Valderrama, other than the known ones (mentioned in Chipman's book, which you are reading and which I have also read). Diego was accused and tried and found guilty of conspiring against the Crown. He was banished to a place called Oran in North Africa. His brother was executed. This conspiracy is discussed in Chipman - remember to check the footnotes!

At some point during this controversy or perhaps before it, Leonor must have died, because when Diego was banished, one of the sons took over the encomienda as his inheritance, whereupon the other son sued him. If Petronila was the daughter of Diego and Leonor, let's say the youngest, its not suprising that she is not mentioned in the subsequent lawsuits. If she was born around 1560, she'd have been around 10 years or younger, and with brothers who were not interested in sharing with her. Their only responsibility toward her would have been to arrange a suitable marriage and give her a dowry. Assuming she was married before 1593, that might explain why there was a three part settlement and not a four part settlement of the inheritance issue in 1593.(The third party was their sister Ana, who was a nun). My point with this is that we don't have to rule out the possibility that Petronila was the child of Leonor and Diego. Its still a line of research worth pursuing.

http://www.amazon.com/Codex-Chimalpahin-Vol-Tenochtitlan-Tlatelolco/dp/…
Above is a link to the translation of Codex Chimalpahin, available through amazon, if you are so inclined to read it, or perhaps your local library can get hold of it...

http://www.archive.org/stream/noticiahistrica00berrgoog/noticiahistrica…
And above is a link to a text about the conspiracy (in Spanish) where there is a section devoted to the Sotelo brothers, if you want to read more about that.

Regards
Denise

Lawrence

Like you, I spent a considerable amount of time looking at this family. I got so frustrated with the lack of sources in all the internet posted genealogies that I was starting to think that Martin Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma did not exist.

I eventually located a copy of Genealogía de Nochistlán Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII según sus Archivos Parroquiales which has an excerpt from the dispensation requested by Bartholome Rodrigues Baxo (or Bajo). The dispensation request was because of the relationship between his first wife and second wife to be. They both descend from Martin Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma, but through different daughters.

This document clearly identifies the daughters of Martin and Petronila. Thanks to Claudia Reynoso's (& colleagues'!) work on the Guadalajara dispensations the document is readily locatable. Claudia's index is at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2011/11/1700-1705-fhl-source-film-1…

It is images 316-24 for the dispensations for 1700-1705, film 168605. It is online at Family Search (Jalisco Church Records -> Guadalajara -> Diocese of Guadalajara -> Matrimonios 1700-05).

There may be other documents, but I have not seen them. Perhaps someone knows what they are, and can help?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Sanchez-Castellanos

Alguien tiene datos de Teresa Ruiz de Esparza esposa del Capitan Juan de Escobedo y Cobarrubias hijo del fundador de Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas?
Ella debio nacer por 1620 en un lugar desconocido.

Edgar Olguin Diaz

buenos dias a todos

una pregunta donde puedo encontrar este testamento de bernardo ruiz de esparza?

o alguien que me podria pasar el link de la pagina?

se los agradeceria mucho

gracias por su atencion prestada

excelnete dia a todos

I found several Cocolans in Mexico in the FREE FamilySearch. Org. The website is

https://familysearch.org/search

Just enter the Surname Cocolan and the place as Mexico and / or the State, Mexico and it'll will give you several individuals. You can narrow the search by entering first middle names, dates, spouse, and/or parents.

Good luck in your search!

Joseph de Leon