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Gracias Patty, se agradece mucho la aportación.

Blanca Isabel Santana.

> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:28:37 +0000
> From: pattyharo@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tecolotlan
>
> Hola, para todos los que tengan ancestros en Tecolotlan, Jalisco miren lo
> que encontré, lo pueden bajar gratis
>
> http://es.scribd.com/doc/39986340/Esbozos-Historicos-de-Tecolotlan

Can anyone who attended comment? Will papers presented be available on-line?

That is wonderful news. Thanks for sharing that with us Rose.

I am hoping someone can help me locate dispensations for the year 1742. That is obviously a year that does not appear to be in any particular film but could be in a number of films that appear to be amalgams of various periods...

The dispensation I am looking for is:

En ocho días del mes de enero de mil setecientos y cuarenta y dos en esta parroquia e iglesia casé y velé a Manuel de Santa María Covarrubias, hijo legítimo de Mathias Covarrubias y de Petra Saldaña, españoles vecinos de esta jurisdicción en el rincón de Totatiche con Petra de la Cruz Grano, hija legítima de Joseph Grano y de Efigenia Covarrubias españoles vecinos de dicho rincón a quienes el Señor ??? Vicario General de este obispado les concedió el beneficio de dispenza de parentesco de consangüinidad en tercer grado. Fueron padrinos Juan Antonio Ríos y Theresa Covarrubias.

great news!!!!, I have severall dispensations so I guess I´ll try

Thank you!

El 11/05/2011 07:56, rosehardy@hotmail.com escribió:
> Good morning all,

> Yesterday Familysearch has finally made the Jalisco records available
> online. Last night I reviewed the Guadalajara Diocese records for
> marriage dispensations.......... and I hit pay dirt!

> It took some going through. I randomly entered image numbers to find the
> year I was looking for. They are not in good order.....but once I found
> the couple, it took me back 3 more generations on one family line.

> So if you've got marriage dispensations and it's within the Guadalajara
> Diocese...this is a must read.

> WOW!!!!

> Rose Gonzales-Hardy

As a FHC volunteer I was invited to use the New Family Search website a
few months ago and so far I have advanced my genealogy by 3 sets of
distant grand parents. I've found two new cousins and am really excited
about the site. I would suggest that you take advantage of this offer it
is a great improvement (speaking only of my quick results).

thanks Bert for the announcement and for the work you recently did on
adding films for the Ojuelos area.

joseph

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http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

bert@paredes.net wrote:
> FYI, Just got this email:
> We invite you to be one of the first members of the public to come in
> and use the new FamilySearch website (new.familysearch.org).
> FamilySearch is rolling out this website to the public gradually, in
> this initial phase space is limited. If you are interested, please act
> quickly. Just click the link below to register.
>
> http://www.familysearch.org/invite/public2

Barbara keep in mind people moved around a lot to work and they were not always
there so the witnesses had to answer questions.  If they were not from the
original town they would not know who the grandparents were.
Linda in Boulder City

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From: "andrewsbarbara@charter.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:25:07 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez, Zacatca 1836 Baptism records

Hello Everyone,
I am researching my family currently from the Jerez Baptism records for 1836.  I
have noticed a large amount of record with no grandparents listed.  Instead, it
says "abuelos no dio rason". I've only seen this so far in the Jerez records but
don't know what it means since it's on so many records.

Hope someone can tell me what that means??

Thanks,

I have seen this mentioned all over the place different areas and time periods.
Usually it meant for one reason or another the grandparents were and are not
to be mentioned. Possibly denotes an iligitimate child, or no recognized father,
ethe possibilities are endless. I have also seen one child in a family where the
a grandparents are not mentioned whereas other children in the same family
do mention the grandparents.

Daniel Méndez Camino

The Aguascalientes indexing project is birth records (nacimientos) for the period 1860 to 1921.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Alice,

One of the reasons why some individuals have have more than one batch number or reference number is because. Some of the microfilms in the Family History Library, have been extracted more than once. And then some areas have been filmed more than once also.

As for how you can have 2 different batch numbers, for the same film number. that depends on when it was extracted. Because in the early extraction, the information was sent to the IGI. And the program was trying to use the same record template for all types of record collections. So for the Mexico and Latin America collections, they were trying to apply, an US record template to the records. Such as, on a christening record, the extractors were told to only extract the name of the child, christening date, and the names of the parents. They were told to disregard all other information in the record (such as birth date, birth place, names of grandparents, etc.). Then came along other record collections, such as the Vital Records Index, and they began to at times, to reextract the information, from the films. And at times, they used the same batch number, but at times they created a second batch number. Also, during this time of record extraction, there began to emerge batch numbers beginning with the letter "I". The "I" stood for Index, and usually with the "I" there was not a reference number given. And trying to figure out which film it corresponded to, was like pulling teeth. But it was possible.

Now, we have the indexing program, and instead of a film number, they are referencing the digital images collections now. So the film numbers are being left out.

This is assuming that we are looking at a extracted record. Also, there are entries in the IGI, that have come from non extracted entries (such as Members of the LDS church). And those entries, have been givien their own batch numbers. So a person may have several batch numbers for the same event.

I hope that this has helped. If not I would suggest going to the following links for more information: http://mexicoigibatchnumbers.wetpaint.com/ and https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/IGI_Batch_Number_Descriptions

thanks,
Jonathan Walker

Welcome to the Group! It seems you have some very surnames that involve in all of our research those of the Spaniard families of Padilla, Moreno, Muñoz. I can bet my money (as long as these are from Los Altos) Which they are! That they are the "de Padilla y Dávila", Moreno de Ortega, and either Muñoz de Hermosillo or Muñoz de la Barba families! These and all our other spanish families teneded to drop part of their name over time, when it was commonly known that everyone was obviously related after 400 years of inbreeding. I would totally go after these families since they might be the ones that we have info for sure, and are commonly researched a lot. I will help you on these families as best as I can. -Daniel Méndez del Camino

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I ordered and viewed Film # 443782 and it covers ALL the marriages from 1752-1790 nicely!

Jose Carlos de Leon

Rita

My experience, for the few areas I've researched, is that the matrimonial investigations are all together (at least in Aguascalientes). There tends to be more for indians than for the Spanish, but the relative numbers would depend on the community, most likely because there were more indians. They are very often not in chronological order. You may need to look at the volume or two before or after the period you are interested in. I've also seen significant gaps, but this is more common for the older documents.

From the FHL catalog there is no indication that the investigations were separated for the different groups. Of course, this does not mean that they weren't.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Paul:

Per the informacion matrimonial that I have dated 8 Feb 1710 in Aguascalientes
Bartolome (Gomez) Rendon was the son of the Treasurer of Zacatecas Capt.
Francisco Gomez Rendon and Maria de Luna. He married Maria Macias Valadez
who was baptized 9 May 1683 in Aguascalientes she was the daughter of
Marcos Macias Valadez and Maria Ruiz de Esparza.

I have a 4th child for Bartolome and Maria, Ana Macias Valadez (used her maternal name)
she died 9 Dec 1775 in Aguascalientes married to Cristobal de los Santos Bustos
they had numerous children.

Maria de Luna was the daughter of Marcos Alvarez Tostado and Maria de Luna there
last two were the founders of the Alvarez de Luna line which lasted for some generations
or so.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Yes, they are a group from Mexico DF/Jalostotitlan that have funded many books relating to Los Altos de Jalisco. I believe the group is made of Gutierrez brothers from the Media Hanega Ranch in the Municipio of Jalos.

Joseph why the question?

Sergio Gutierrez

No aparece. ¿La envio adjunta?

Saludos

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

2011/4/29 Rafael Jauregui

>
>

My experience is that a different spelling of a name, by itself, has no significance in identifying a family or individual.

Over twenty years doing genealogy research has made it clear to me that until the early twentieth century, there was almost no "standard" spelling. I have encountered many spelling variations for even simple names, sometimes within the same record for the same person. Lack of education, "phonetic" spelling, miscopying poor or nearly illegible handwriting, and just plain errors all contribute to the diversity of spelling.

In Jalisco records, I've found my surname not only as PAREDES but also as PAREDEZ, PREDES, PADERES, and PADEREZ, plus other variations I may have forgotten. The name got mangled as much or more in Texas records: my GGF's 1899 marriage record lists him as Juan PADUEZ. PAREDES was even misspelled on my high school diploma. Even today, misteaks happpen.

~ Bert Paredes

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I admire a man who can spell a word more than one way.
- Mark Twain

Hi Joseph,

Like my cousin Linda, I believe the priest made the choices. I would think priest would
have gone through grammer school but again with all the changes to Castilian over
the centuries. The Portuguese form is Pires a bit different. MOst people did not
see the church records only those who would try to "get into something"; court,
job, college or notary records. There are many documents that when we are lucky
we can see their signature.

Daniel Méndez Camino

I think the scribe made the choice, I have cousins who are siblings, one who's
parents went by the census Rebeles and the rest of the family is Reveles. I
would appear most of our ancestors never saw the records and many could not read
or write so had no idea of the changes from C to Z and S to Z and visa versa
through the years.  I also see the changes in the name Morillo/Murillo, many of
these records especially as witness say they cannot sign because they cannot
read or write.

just my opinion,
Linda in Boulder City

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From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 4:38:10 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Perez v. Peres: "z" v. "s"

a non member of the group sent this message in and I would like to send him any
comments the group might offer:

Joseph,
I'm noticing that as I dig into the 1800s that names like perez, cruz, gonzalez
are appearing as peres, crus, gonzales.
I'm actually per the Mexican 1930s Census a Peres, not a Perez.  Have you
encountered this? Any light to shed? Is there a sephardic or portuguese
connection?
Thanks!
Joel

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joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

Thanks Natalie,

We've arrived here, had dinner with about 12 other members and look forward to
tomorrow. Wish you and others could be here.

Alicia

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From: "nc_coleman@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 3:25:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] NGGS Conference in SoCal

Dear NGGS:
Wishing you a wonderful conference. I hope all attendees will enjoy it. Wish I
was there.
I look forward to reading reports from the attendees and organizers.

Natalie C. Coleman

PS - I consider Cucamonga my stomping grounds, as I lived there with an aunt,
when I was in H.S. (Chaffey) and Jr. College, in a house my grandfather had
purchased in the 1930's. My grandfather and father had at one time worked for
the Italian Vineyard Co, in Guasti, CA. The Ontario International Airport now
sits on the land that once were grape vineyards.

All of the relevant batch numbers with IGI and VRI indices are available through the FILMS section of Nuestros Ranchos with buttons you can click to take you directly to familysearch.org's listings for that batch/film.

I don't have Tomas Valdez in my research but I do have Jose Maria and Estefana
Muro with 2 daughters, Juliana and Maria Jesus.  My records are on Rootsweb.com
and my file name is Mexico.  I will be updating the records in a week or so. If
Tomas is there son then I need to change their approximate dates of birth. Can
you tell me the film number for the marriage record for Tomas?
Linda in Boulder City

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From: "andrewsbarbara@charter.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:16:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tomas Valdes, Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico

Hello Everyone, I have just recently started researching my ancestry.  So happy
to find this site so specific to the area I'm researching.  I have been trying
to move passed my gr gr grandfather Tomas Valdes, b. 1835 in "Jerez, y vecino de
los Cuervos" according to his marriage documents. Also, according to the
marriage documents he was "hijo ligitimo de Jose Maria Valdes y Estefana Muro". 
However, on his first child's baptism record his father is listed as Teodoro
Valdes and Maria Varela.  Later baptism records for his children show Jose Maria
as his father again. I have not been able to find any birth or baptism records
on Tomas Valdes to confirm who his father was.  Have looked in Family Search's
records but no success.  I would appreciate any help in this search!

Thanks

I took a quick look in Family Search, and did not find much, either. I found no references to Jerez, but I also noted in the FHL card catalog there are gaps in the church records. This could account for the missing info. The Jerez records are online.

I did note, however, some records for the families Valdes-Muro and Valdes-Varela in Tepetongo, a town not too far from Jerez. Films for this town are online.

Have you verified the marriage info with the matrimonial investigation? This may clear up the apparent discrepancy.

Could there be two Tomas Valdes's?

If you have the IGI batch numbers, you can search the IGI with less information (just a father's last name, for example). This is for the old Family Search site, and not the new one. Some are available at http://mexicoigibatchnumbers.wetpaint.com/ If your local Family History Library still has the "Parish and Vital Records List" (or index) microfiche, it will have a more complete list. Get the most recent copy available (this might be the July 1998 edition).

A few of the batch numbers for baptisms are:

Jerez
1780-1800 J600805 and K600805
1806-1874 J600806 and K600806
1820-1828 C600807
1836-1840 C600808
1867-1869 J600809 and K600809

Tepetongo
1818-31 C600833
1831-42 C600834
1842-50 J600835 and K600835

The C numbers have both boy's and girl's baptisms; J's are boys only, K's are girls only.

You can also search for marriages this way; the batches are M numbers. The two references will have these also.

Search the old Family Search site, as well as the new. The search engines work differently, and depending on what you start with, you may get different results (this is also true for the beta site; search this one also).

Good luck!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Maria,

Sorry Claudia, no obvious links yet. But I do have some unassociated
Peres's who married into the Ruiz line. I look forward to meeting you
Saturday.

Claudia, do you know anymore about Diego Ruiz, bap 30 Sep 1691 in Cuquio,
son of Diego Ruiz and Ana Gonzalez? He also could conceivably be my Diego,
too.
I won't be able to get back to my local FHC til 5/11 to do any more film
searches.

Raquel Ruiz