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Ronnie you make me smile.. one of my Mejia (Espanol) ancestors sisters married a
man who was Yndio, the yhad 5 children.. I Mulato, 1 Yndio, 2 Espanol and 1
Mestiso.. guess they judged by their skin color and nothing else.  I know longer
make the nationality of the child rule them out as a decendant..
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 12:24:43 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The ODDS

Hola Members, I have a question concerning my ancestor Toribio Sanchez (marr. to
Maria Nieves Martin) .Their Daughter Maria Fermina Sanchez(mestiza) born JULY
14,1822 San Juan de Los Lagos on bautismos 1816-1823 on Image 336. On the
bautismo its states Javier Sanchez and Rafaela Lozano as Paternal Grandparents.
I went to the familysearch.org IGI (old site) placed the couple mentioned and
was given a daughter  Maria Petra Sanchez(mulata libre) born Aug.13,1799
Atotonilco el Alto (bautismos 1793-1799,image 386).
The question is ,could the 2 couples -Javier Sanchez and Rafaela Lozano be one
in the same ? Is it possible there was a migration from Atotonilco el Alto to
the San Juan de Los lagos area ? Another statement Toribio Sanchez and Maria
Nieves Martin had another daughter Maria Vicenta Sanchez born July 04,1824 San
Juan de los Lagos (bautismos 1823-1829 image 59) and she was classified India.
If they are the same couple ,they have a mulata daughter , mestiza and Indian 
granddaughters from the same parents. Appreciate any incite and I am I missing
something ?
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso                        

I am in Guanajuato and talking with some people, we think of another person
that could be interested on the documents of the General Sostenes Rocha.
His name is Alfonso Alcocer, he is the director of the Museo del Siglo XIX
en Guanajuato.
I hope that you can make contact with him
Sylvia

2011/5/17 Joseph Puentes

> Conosco un senor aqui en Carolina del Norte que tiene unos documentos de el
> General Sostenes Rocha de unos batallas. El esta buscando lugar para
> venderlos y esta contactando la embassia de Mexico.
>
> Conosen ustedes quien puede tener interes en este sujeto?
>
> joseph
>
> pd: este senor es bis nieto de el.
>
> ======================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.**html (Vegan
> Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.**com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
>
>

Se me ocurre, el gobierno de Guanajuato o la Universidad de Guanajuato
o hay un particular en Guanajuato que es historiador que a la mejor le
interesarian
se llama Isauro Rionda, dile que lo busque en Guanajuato

2011/5/17 Joseph Puentes

> Conosco un senor aqui en Carolina del Norte que tiene unos documentos de el
> General Sostenes Rocha de unos batallas. El esta buscando lugar para
> venderlos y esta contactando la embassia de Mexico.
>
> Conosen ustedes quien puede tener interes en este sujeto?
>
> joseph
>
> pd: este senor es bis nieto de el.
>
> ======================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
>
>

Joseph, by any chance do you have any idea now much he is asking ?

Welester

> Conosco un senor aqui en Carolina del Norte que tiene unos documentos de
> el General Sostenes Rocha de unos batallas. El esta buscando lugar para
> venderlos y esta contactando la embassia de Mexico.
>
> Conosen ustedes quien puede tener interes en este sujeto?
>
> joseph
>
> pd: este senor es bis nieto de el.
>
> ======================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
>
>

Hello Joseph,

The only thing I can help with is that is does not say Gutierres. it says
"...María Antonia de Ledesma; española originaria y restante de esta dicha
villa hija legitima de Geronimo de Ledesma y de Micaela de Luera q[ue] no
[h]a[e]st[a]da casada ni belada, q no [h]a dado palabra de casamiento ni
esponsales a persona alguna..." What looked like Gutierres to you is a
shortened version of "que no ha estada" written as qnoastdo.

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

> if a certain relatives name is Juan Jose Leano de la Torre and his parents
> are Antonio Leano and Juana Cardenas. What types of speculation are possible
> for the "de la Torre"?
>
> could it be any of these possibilities?: paternal grandmother's surname;
> maternal grandmother's surname; What are some other possibilities?
>
>
> -------------------------
>
>
> Genobeba Leanos --->Miguel Leanos/Ygnacia Muro ----->Juan Jose
> Leano/AntoniaLedesma
>
> Juan Jose's parents--->Antonio Leano/Juana Cardenas
> Antonias parents----> Gregorio Ledesma/Micaela Luera Gutierres (at least it
> looks like Gutierres)
>
> * Mexico, Catholic Church Records
> * Zacatecas
> * Villanueva
> * San Judas Tadeo
> * Información matrimonial 1746-1749
> * Image 464 of 552
>
>
> joseph
>
> ======================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.**html (Vegan
> Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.**com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)

Hi Nancy,

Crisanto Casillas and Mariana Vega were married in San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán de Morelos on 6 Mar 1848 son of Carlos Casillas and Antonia de Santa Cruz, Ignacio Vega and Manuela Rodríguez.

José Pilar Casillas Vega was baptized same place 20 Oct 1850 had many siblings who were baptized and married in Tepatitlán.

Carlos Casillas and Antonia de Santa Cruz were married in Jalostotitlán on 18 Mar 1823 son of Santiago Casillas and María de San José “Josefa” Vásquez, Vicente de Santa Cruz and Hilaria Angulo.

José Crisanto de Jesús was baptized in Jalostotitlán on 2 Nov 1823.

José de Santiago and María de San José Vásquez were married on 18 Jan 1797 in Jalostotitlán.

Vicente de Santa Cruz and María Hilaria Angulo were married in Jalos on 8 Jun 1799.

Ignacio Vega and María Manuela Rodríguez were married on 9 Jun 1824 in Jalos.

Unfortunately I have not looked at these last three marriage records so you might want to take a quick look online to continue your family tree. Please let me know the results. I will tell you now it looks like you’ll connect to the Casillas Cabrera, Vásquez de Lara families. Many of us in the group descend from these families. I also descend from the Santa Cruz family that came from San Juan de los Lagos and I have found some references but no link as of yet they are the same Santa Cruz y Orozco family of Pinos and Aguascalientes.

I hope this is helpful

Daniel Méndez Camino

It would be easy to see the actual file where you find this term. But in Spanish when you say "auto criminal" it refers to a criminal report. A very good tool to find any difficult or antique word is the Real academia Española www.rae.es. This is the definition from it:

2. m. Der. Forma de resolución judicial, fundada, que decide cuestiones secundarias, previas, incidentales o de ejecución, para las que no se requiere sentencia.

But are you sure is it written "Criminales"?

Good luck!

Jorge Elías

Alice,

¿de que año son esos autos criminales? Tal vez puedas enviarme uno para
ayudarte mejor.

Saludos

Israel Valles
Durango, Mexico

2011/6/16 Alice Blake

> Greetings to all,
> How would you translate auto criminales and what are the contents? I've
> attempted reading a couple and have found them very difficult to follow.
> Perhaps if I read them in the proper context, it might be easier.
> Thanks so much, Alice Blake

It seems that Vicenta Flores (mother of the broom) could be sister or cousin of Carmen Flores (father of the Bride) But you have to go to the Marriage Information that use to be a separate book of the same parish. The information could help you even to find the grand parents of the coupe. Good luck.

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

be careful when interviewing to not fluster her with direct questions.
Rather than ask "What year did your grandfather die?" Ask "Were you
married at the time your grandfather died?" or "How old were you when
your grandfather died?" or "Was Rosalie born by then when your
grandfather died?"

Answers to those questions will give the same answer since they can be
calculated and then later you can ask the direct question. The last
thing you want to do is "shut down" a conversation with too many direct
questions. In fact some of the best information I have received is from
just letting my older relatives tell me family stories. If the
conversation strays you can always gently swing it back on topic. You'll
find that suddenly someone that couldn't remember things remembers sooo
much detail about the family.

Have fun I only could wish I had my grandmother to listen to.

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Lorenzo Carrillo wrote:
> So yesterday my 90 year old grandmother came for vacation. Already
and she has been a great help in my quest for un-answered questions. I
plan on recording / interviewing her as much as possible. She is a
goldmine of information

be careful when interviewing to not fluster her with direct questions.
Rather than ask "What year did your grandfather die?" Ask "Were you
married at the time your grandfather died?" or "How old were you when
your grandfather died?" or "Was Rosalie born by then when your
grandfather died?"

Answers to those questions will give the same answer since they can be
calculated and then later you can ask the direct question. The last
thing you want to do is "shut down" a conversation with too many direct
questions. In fact some of the best information I have received is from
just letting my older relatives tell me family stories. If the
conversation strays you can always gently swing it back on topic. You'll
find that suddenly someone that couldn't remember things remembers sooo
much detail about the family.

Have fun I only could wish I had my grandmother to listen to.

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Lorenzo Carrillo wrote:
> So yesterday my 90 year old grandmother came for vacation. Already and she has been a great help in my quest for un-answered questions. I plan on recording / interviewing her as much as possible. She is a goldmine of information :)
>
> Sent from my iPod

Y no solo en es una mina de oro en información, estoy seguro que
también es una buena oportunidad para tener una relación interpersonal
muy agradable que no muchas personas tienen la fortuna de
experimentar. Si trae consigo fotografías de familiares se
complementa. Te recomiendo que aproveches preguntar por los primos de
ella y otros parientes. Es posible que si ella no te da esa
información sea muy difícil para ti encontrarla por vía documental,
personalmente me gusta preguntar sobre el estilo de vida de los
parientes. Tal ves puedas acompañarla de regreso para que examines
fotografías y alimentes la relación.

Saludos desde Gomez Palacio, Lorenzo.

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

2011/6/15, Lorenzo Carrillo :
> So yesterday my 90 year old grandmother came for vacation. Already and she
> has been a great help in my quest for un-answered questions. I plan on
> recording / interviewing her as much as possible. She is a goldmine of
> information :)
>
> Sent from my iPod

Y no solo en es una mina de oro en información, estoy seguro que
también es una buena oportunidad para tener una relación interpersonal
muy agradable que no muchas personas tienen la fortuna de
experimentar. Si trae consigo fotografías de familiares se
complementa. Te recomiendo que aproveches preguntar por los primos de
ella y otros parientes. Es posible que si ella no te da esa
información sea muy difícil para ti encontrarla por vía documental,
personalmente me gusta preguntar sobre el estilo de vida de los
parientes. Tal ves puedas acompañarla de regreso para que examines
fotografías y alimentes la relación.

Saludos desde Gomez Palacio, Lorenzo.

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

2011/6/15, Lorenzo Carrillo :
> So yesterday my 90 year old grandmother came for vacation. Already and she
> has been a great help in my quest for un-answered questions. I plan on
> recording / interviewing her as much as possible. She is a goldmine of
> information :)
>
> Sent from my iPod

Y no solo en es una mina de oro en información, estoy seguro que
también es una buena oportunidad para tener una relación interpersonal
muy agradable que no muchas personas tienen la fortuna de
experimentar. Si trae consigo fotografías de familiares se
complementa. Te recomiendo que aproveches preguntar por los primos de
ella y otros parientes. Es posible que si ella no te da esa
información sea muy difícil para ti encontrarla por vía documental,
personalmente me gusta preguntar sobre el estilo de vida de los
parientes. Tal ves puedas acompañarla de regreso para que examines
fotografías y alimentes la relación.

Saludos desde Gomez Palacio, Lorenzo.

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

2011/6/15, Lorenzo Carrillo :
> So yesterday my 90 year old grandmother came for vacation. Already and she
> has been a great help in my quest for un-answered questions. I plan on
> recording / interviewing her as much as possible. She is a goldmine of
> information :)
>
> Sent from my iPod

You are a very fortunate person!

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Lorenzo
Carrillo
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:32 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Living history

So yesterday my 90 year old grandmother came for vacation. Already and she
has been a great help in my quest for un-answered questions. I plan on
recording / interviewing her as much as possible. She is a goldmine of
information :)

Sent from my iPod

Por la razón que existe la posibilidad que hubo un cambio de apellido de
algún otro apellido hacia Sánchez de uno de tus antepasados hace falta la
participación de un gran numero de gente de todo México en la prueba de ADN.
Aparte para estar 99% seguro que comparten tu y otra persona un mismo
ancestro dentro las ultimas once generaciones tendrían los dos que hacer un
prueba de 111 marcadores y coincidir en 109 marcadores. Yo coincido con una
persona con el mismo apellido que tengo en 66 de 67 marcadores y yo tengo mi
genealogía por linea paterna hasta el décimo abuelo (once generaciones
atrás) y el hasta su doceavo abuelo y aún no sabemos con 99% de seguridad si
el ancestro que tenemos en común es de antes o después de 19 generaciones.
Estoy hablando de una genealogía que llega hasta 1563, o sea todavía una o
dos generaciones después de la conquista de México (Doy este dato para que
lo tengas en perspectiva con la historia de México, los míos eran de Vizcaya
y no llegaron a México hasta el siglo 19.) No he hecho esa prueba de 111
marcadores porque apenas hoy me di cuenta de su existencia porque no la
anunciaron hasta hace muy poco tiempo. El punto es que con la participación
con una gran cantidad de mexicanos tendrías buenas posibilidades de
encontrar un ancestro documentado, y si no serian menos. A mi me diera gusto
que participaran muchos porque así tal vez supiera de cual haplogrupo
pertenecen mis otros ancestros. Respeto a los haplogrupos, también soy
R1b1a2 que realmente es R1b1b2 y FamilyTree cambió su código sin avisar a
sus clientes. El código corto es R-M269 y se encuentra en un 35.60% de la
gente de España, 52.87% en Castilla y León y 4.18% en México por lo que hay
en la base de datos de la página Iberian Roots. R-M269 surgió hace 10 mil
años cuando todavía se estaba poblando Europa y es por eso que coincidimos
con gente de Inglaterra, Irlanda, Escocia, y el Reino Unido. Pienso que la
razón que compartimos con pocos españoles en FamilyTree es porque no ofrecen
su servicio en España y los que según son de Inglaterra, Irlanda, Escocia, y
el Reino Unido son personas en Estados Unidos con raíces en esos países y no
por otra razón. Es decir, FamilyTree es una compañía de los Estados Unidos
sin presencia en Europa. Las siguientes páginas son muy informativas sobre
los haplogrupos y sus orígenes. La segunda es de Europa y la ultima explica
los resultados de una prueba de 111 marcadores.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogrupo_R1b_del_cromosoma_Y
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml
http://www.iberianroots.com/Statistics/mexico.html
http://www.iberianroots.com/Statistics/spain.html
http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=9#925

Un saludo cordial
Armando

2011/4/17

> A travez de este medio convoco a todas las personas con apellido paterno
> Sanchez de Zacatecas (Jerez,Teul,Tlatenango,Colotlan y zonas aledañas) y
> Jalisco para que se realicen una prueba de ADN a fin de saber el parentezco
> ya que es un apellido muy comun y de diferentes origenes. Yo me hice la
> prueba en familytree y soy del haplogrupo R1b1a2. Mis ancestros llegaron a
> Garcia de la Cadena,Zacatecas Rancho La Tetilla alrededor de 1800 pero por
> la falta de registros parece imposible continuar mi busqueda. Por medio del
> ADN coincido con personas de Inglaterra,Irlanda, Escocia,Reino Unido y solo
> 2 personas de España todas con diferente apellido.
> Gracias
>
> franksanchezalvarez@gmail.com
> juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com

Hay otros Sanchez de Nochistlán que también resultaron R1b, quizás sean parientes tuyos.

R. Rodríguez

De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com
Enviado el: domingo, 17 de abril de 2011 7:12 PM
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] ADN Sanchez

A travez de este medio convoco a todas las personas con apellido paterno Sanchez de Zacatecas (Jerez,Teul,Tlatenango,Colotlan y zonas aledañas) y Jalisco para que se realicen una prueba de ADN a fin de saber el parentezco ya que es un apellido muy comun y de diferentes origenes. Yo me hice la prueba en familytree y soy del haplogrupo R1b1a2. Mis ancestros llegaron a Garcia de la Cadena,Zacatecas Rancho La Tetilla alrededor de 1800 pero por la falta de registros parece imposible continuar mi busqueda. Por medio del ADN coincido con personas de Inglaterra,Irlanda, Escocia,Reino Unido y solo 2 personas de España todas con diferente apellido.

Gracias

franksanchezalvarez@gmail.com
juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com

According to the document it's not a town, it's a rancho. It could be the
rancho called Barranca de Portales located west of Calvillo, northeast of
Michoacanejo, and southwest of El Rodeo. All of those places show up on
Google maps. I don't see any other rancho called Barranca, although some
have gone through name changes over the years and some that exist aren't on
Google maps.
Some of the ranches that don't show up on Google maps will show up on
www.pueblosamerica.com I did a search there for La Barranca, Aguascalientes
and I got the following:

Barranca de Portales -
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/barranca-de-portales/
Barranca del Roble - http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/barranca-del-roble/
La Barranca (Municipio de Jesús María) -
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/la-barranca-2/

Armando

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:51 PM, wrote:

> Hello,
> I've read a few marriage dispensations for Calvillo that reference "la
> Barranca de esta feligrecia." I can't figure out exactly what this town is
> today as there are a few "Barrancas" near Calvillo. Does anyone have a
> definite suggestion where "Barranca" might be?
> Here's one reference, on the right-hand side of the image:
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
> Thanks, Arturo

not the answer you are looking for but I noticed that most records ask for the
signature and the majority respond they do not read or write.
That is especially true of the women. It's a great question though and I also
would be interested in the answer.
Linda in Gold River, B.C.

________________________________
From: "zacatecano020@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 6:40:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are there any archives on information regarding
Educational Background of Relatives back during Colonial Mexico Times?

Are their any archives on information about the educational background of
relatives in our geneology tree going back to colonial times in Mexico?

Because how can one know of a relative was born in the 1700's in Mexico,  how
far in school did they get?  Did they attend college?

Lynda,
My grandparents and other family members (Gutierrez) went to Miami, Arizona. My grandparents returned to Jalostotitlan, but some of their cousins stayed in Miami. We have lost contact with those who remained in Miami. Good luck with your search.
Eloise Reyes

-----Original Message-----
From: lcruzangel@aol.com
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:26 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Introduction

Hi my name is Lynda Chavez and I must have made a mistake when I posted my introduction, I think that I only sent a link to one of my family lines. I have been working on some of my family lines and there are so many that I was hoping that others would have some connections to some of my ancestors. On my grandmothers side we are linked to Avila and Macias from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. It was only until the last several years in doing some family tree searches that I discovered that many (more than we thought) family members traveled to Jerome, Arizona from this area to work in the mines. I am a 4th generation of those ancestors to still be here, but many moved due to the mine shutting down in the mid 1900's. These are the families that traveled to Jerome, My great grandparents Andrea (Macias)& Santiago Avila who came with two infant daughters Refugia & Beatrice. An older sister Conception stayed behind and married a man with the last name Delgado. I know there is one rel
ative from that line in Encenada, and the rest are now in San Diego. There were several children from this family and I think that she had grandchildren who were blind, but I heard sang beautifully. Santiago had a brother Isidro who apparently left Jerome and may have been killed in the war. He married Panfila Hernandez. Andrea had several brothers and sisters, Leonides who married Victoria Frausto, Enstanslao, Marciana, German, Castula, Cirilo, Eusebio, Sabina & Romulo. Jose and Romulo Macias came to Jerome. There parents were Crecencio Macias and Maria Jiminez. There were also other family relatives that traveled to Jerome by the names of Jiminez, Rosendo De la Cruz,Garcia, Romo(the Romo's moved to the Bisbee, Arizona area). I'm sure more will show up, I was just hoping some of you out there will notice a connection. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Hi Jenny - Welcome

Just found this:

residenceTeocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
parents:Juan Olmos, Andrea Aguilera

record title:Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
name:Gil Olmos
gender:Male
baptism/christening date:02 Sep 1891
baptism/christening place:Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico

father's name:Juan Olmos
mother's name:Andrea Aguilera
indexing project (batch) number:I07324-0
system origin:Mexico-EASy
source film number:639011

________________________________
From: "jennytomasello@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 12:30:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Introduction

Hello, my name is Jenny Tomasello (Olmos) and I'm just beginning my research
into my family tree. Unfortunately I do not have much information to go on as my
family lost touch with my father when I was about 2 yrs old (adopted); so if
anyone has any tips to guide me in the right direction I would be very greatful
=)

My father (Steven Andrew Olmos - first born) was born (3 Aug 1950) to Gil Olmos
and Juanita Almeyda when Gil was 60 yrs old.

My grandfather, Gil Olmos, was born 1 Sep 1891 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco to
parents Juan Olmos and Andrea Aguilera. This information I was able to find on
FamilySearch.

Again, I would be extremely greatful if anyone could give me ideas on beginning
my search

Thank you!

Jenny

I looked at the FHL library catalog for Villanueva, Zacatecas.

There are two entries, covering slightly different time frames.

One group of 38 rolls, is for San Judas Tadeo, "Incluyen registros parroquiales de Encarnación, Malpaso, Salto, Soledad, y Tayahua, haciendas de la municipalidad de Villanueva" has the annotation that they are online.

The other group has 77 rolls, seems to indicate that it is for San Judas Tadeo only, and does not have the annotation that it is online.

The first image or two generally has the film number. From this number and the library catalog you can determine which of the two groups of records are online. From what I see without looking at the films, I would conclude that it is from the group of 38 rolls, which is consistent with what you have found.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Lorenzo,

You are researching the same area's I am. Jerez, Tepetongo and Villanueva. Although, only two of the names you are researching are also those which I have found in my research. I have the surname of Reveles and, I have also found the name Avila as the possible wife to one of my ancestors. Both names comming from Villanueva.

Lorenzo, Welcome aboard the Genealogy Ship. Have to hand it to you, I wish I was as interested in my ancestors when I was your age. There will be some ups and some down's, but as you will soon find out, we are all primos in one way or another :) If I can be of any assistance, give me a ring. Jaime Gonzalez

Welcome Lorenzo!

We share a common trait. My grandfather and my mother were also genealogist and I was blessed
with the opportunity to start and continue on their research when I was 12. One learns so much
about themselves in genealogy; the people that make who you are, your blood. If you need any help
or questions feel free to email me, even if its guidance. mendezdelcamino@live.com

Regards,

Daniel Méndez Camino

Lorenzo, so glad you found Nuestros Ranchos, a dedicated group of researchers
who are willing to share countless hours of research with other members.

good luck in you quest to reclaim your ancestors. They are proud to be
remembered.
Linda in Boulder City, Nv.

________________________________
From: "lorenzocarrillo94@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 4:39:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New member introduction :)

Hello all, my name is Lorenzo Carrillo, I'm from San Diego, ca and am one of the
newest members of this site. I'd like to take this opportunity to introduce
myself. I am 16 and have been interested in family researching since I was 12.
I'm currently researchin the families : Carrillo, Juarez, rodarte, reveles,
Avila, muro, Garcia, sotelo, Ramires, robles, hernandez, finada, Ortega,
aristorena, roman,and Estrada. They all are from the state of Zacatecas . I
became interested when I came to the realization a few years ago that I could
only trace back to my great grandfather ( Lorenzo Carrillo Avila). My fathers
side is my primary research from Zacatecas. My mothers side if the family all
came from different parts of chihuahua . But, I'm very optimistic that I'll be
able to unveil the truth of our roots from bothsides. People are often amazed at
my age and all the work I do, but it's something valuable to me and my family
and an activity I love to do.well I'm really looking forw
ard to working with all of you in the near future , god bless and thank you for
the opportunity to join this group. Sincerely , Lorenzo Carrillo . -- -- -- --

Lorenzo,

That's very commendable of you to search for your roots at a very young age.
Unfortunately some of us started too late and the elders in our family are no
longer around to tell their stories.

What part of Zacatecas was your family from, that will help us all to help you.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: "lorenzocarrillo94@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 4:39:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New member introduction :)

Hello all, my name is Lorenzo Carrillo, I'm from San Diego, ca and am one of the
newest members of this site. I'd like to take this opportunity to introduce
myself. I am 16 and have been interested in family researching since I was 12.
I'm currently researchin the families : Carrillo, Juarez, rodarte, reveles,
Avila, muro, Garcia, sotelo, Ramires, robles, hernandez, finada, Ortega,
aristorena, roman,and Estrada. They all are from the state of Zacatecas . I
became interested when I came to the realization a few years ago that I could
only trace back to my great grandfather ( Lorenzo Carrillo Avila). My fathers
side is my primary research from Zacatecas. My mothers side if the family all
came from different parts of chihuahua . But, I'm very optimistic that I'll be
able to unveil the truth of our roots from bothsides. People are often amazed at
my age and all the work I do, but it's something valuable to me and my family
and an activity I love to do.well I'm really looking forw
ard to working with all of you in the near future , god bless and thank you for
the opportunity to join this group. Sincerely , Lorenzo Carrillo . -- -- -- --

Hello. My name is Rebekah Webb and I live in Missoula, MT. I have been interested in my family roots since I was a teenager but didn't have the tools and didn't know where to start at that age. My mother has a friend and my mother's father and her friend's father are both from Jerez, Zacatecas. My mother's friend had her father take a test and they found out that their ancestors were Jewish. My mother's friend told my mother that there is a possibility that hers are too. So now I am on a mission. I am really curious to find out if that is the case.

About my Grandfather's side of the family, my 2nd great grandparents Eleno Carrera and Floreincia Sandoval and their 9 children lived in Jerez, Zacatecas around the time that the Revolution started. Around 1914 only Floreincia and two of her daughters Marciala and Maximina were still alive. They remained on Rancho La Gavia until 1915. In 1918, Marciala met my Great Grandfather Miguel Ceballos in his hometown Jerez. He owned a pottery business. Floreincia had two more children Maria and Angel. According to my Aunt's interview with her father the two children were products of abuse brought on to her. She later married an older man, Plutarca Vesca. They had a child, Carmen. My 2nd Great Grandparents Cipriano Ceballos and Lucia De Avila were born in the 1860's. They came from el Solitral, a rancho located in the Sierra Madre Mountains in the state of Zacatecas. They married and left to Jerez, Zacatecas. They had 5 children, Miguel, Eleardo, Modesta, Roberta and Maria. He made his
living as a sheep tanner and continued to raise his family until approximately 1885.
In 1896, Miguel married a woman by the name of Isabel, who later became known as Juana Gallo? The marriage did not last very long; she got involved in the Revolution and ran off with the Colonel. Miguel left Jerez, he married again and later left her. He came back to Jerez where he remained. Then he met Marciala Carrera (my Great Grandmother). They were married by the state which wasn't accepted by their people, until they married by the church. They were married in 1961. They had 6 children in Jerez: Silbestre, Justine, Maria Luisa, Gregorio, and Victoria. In 1922 they purchased land outside of the city, which was 400 hecture. They built a ranch which they named Los Choitos but it was known as the Fortson. They owned it until 1934 when Miguel sold it to his brother in-law. After which he bought a store, and in 1938 he bought a pool hall. He also still owned his pottery business in the city of Herez.

My grandfather's birth certificate states that he was born on January 18, 1921 but his correct birthdate is December 31, 1920. My Grandfather's name is Silbestre Ceballos. His Aunt Maria was a nun of the Catholic Church and took him to church every weekend. Silbestre remained in Jerez until 1944. In Jerez he joined the civil service and he married Antemia. They had 3 children, Juanita, Jesus, and Julia, but this marriage did not last. In 1944 he joined the Southern Pacific Railroad in Zacatecas. He joined as a Tractro and was transported to Los Angeles and on Nov 30, 1946 he married my Grandmother who is still alive and in her 90's.

I would love to find out more about these people and the ranchos that I mentioned. My Grandfather is no longer alive nor is my Aunt who wrote a story on our ancestors. My other Aunts and Uncles are not very helpful and don't know much more besides what I already know. My Grandmother is not really up to speed these days so I haven't wanted to bother her.

Cheers to our Grandmothers!
Rebekah

Hello Elysia,

Which haplogroup did Familytree say your father belongs to? I am guessing
R1b based on the Irish hit. That connection could go back 10,000 years or
so. The speculation is about 5,000 years ago Basque fishermen went to what
is now Ireland and is why these two areas have the highest incidence of R1b.
Familytree will have his predicted haplogroup at the top
https://www.familytreedna.com/my-ftdna/y-dna-haplotree.aspx and there will
also be a shorthand code such as M-269, M-73, M-343, etc. Can you provide us
with that?
Have you uploaded your father's ysearch? There is a link there to carry over
the DNA info so you can look for other hits besides those on Familysearch.
Something else you should know is the only test that can tell you within 95%
certainty who is related within the past 20 generations or less is the 111
marker test with 109 or so markers matching. How many markers was your
father test for?

Saludos
Armando

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:31 PM, wrote:

> Hi there,
> my dad got tested an i have the results,but we dont really know what it
> means, i think he was told that it was western european and we had a n irish
> hit, which was a surprise.
>
> I am not sure about all the information they Family tree has sent him, as
> he is old, hard of hearing, not exactly masterful on the computer and just a
> somewhat silly old man.
> Wondering if anyone can help me out that may know what haplogroup the
> following belongs to and if anyone else on here is close etc.
>
> 393/13 390/23 19/15 391/10 385/12 426/11 388/13 439/13 389-1/13 392/11
> 389-2/28
>
> Thanks!

You had mentioned searching Villalpando from Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Did you happen to see any information regarding regarding my wifes great grandparents, Jose Vazquez and Epigmenia Villalpando. They had 8 children

Cornelio Vazquez born 16 Sep 1901
Ramona Vazquez born 1888
Maria Vazquez
Francisco Vazquez born 27 Aug 1894
Sebastina Vazquez
Augustin Vazquez
Manuel Vazquez
Sabina Vazquez

Thanks,

Here is some more information:

Juan Manl. De Villalpandio
and
Maria Gertrudis Soto
Married
20 February 1757
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico
film: 639756
Batch No.: M602488

Saludos desde Lago Salado

Eduardo H Seoane

To Paul,

I typed in the batch number C607086 and got the following results.

Jose Hilaria Peña, parents: Francisco Peña/ Maria Alvina Villalpando
Bp: 3 Feb 1793, Nstra. Sra. De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche
film: 634024, batch C607086 (1787-1795) in IGI

Maria Damiana de Peña, parents: Francisco de Peña/ Maria Alvina de Soto
Bp: 9 Oct 1791, batch C607086 in IGI

Jose Aniceto Peña, parents: Fernano Peña/ Alvina de Soto
Bp: 30 Apr 1788

Jose Maria Peña, parents: Francisco Peña/ Alvina de Soto
Bp: 4 Oct 1789

Nuestros Ranchos has lists of films and batch numbers. Using them can speed up a search sometimes. As you can see the records don't always match what we expect. I think the four people listed above are ones that you are trying to find. Good luck...

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: paul.gomez@verizon.net
>Sent: Nov 17, 2009 3:14 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pena = Villalpando
>
>I am seeking information regarding my maternal 4th great grandparents, Francisco Pena and Maria Alvina de Villalpando. They were married on 19 Feb 1785 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. They had 7 children. Maria Alvina's parents were JUan Manuel Villalpando and Gertrudis Soto.

Lance,
Welcome to the group. My ancestors are also from Jalostotitlan. Many of the records have now been uploaded and you can do research directly on the internet without having to order the films. My family includes lots of Gutierrez. Good luck.
Eloise Reyes

-----Original Message-----
From: lance gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2011 8:14 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction gonzo4761

Hello and Saludos cordiales, my name is Lance Gonzalez and thank you for
llowing me to be a new member. I live in the area of Riverside, California
nd am researching the maternal side of my father's family: The names of
arcia Serratos Hernandez and Gutierrez are from Jalisco and later lived in
acatecas.

My great-grandfather Apolonio Garcia Serratos was said to be born in
alostotitlan Around 1872, although I could not find him in the church
egisters of Jalos.
My Grandmother Agripina Garcia Hernandez was born in Acatic, Jalisco on the
3 of June 1907. The godparents "padrinos" listed on baptism were Abraham
onzalez, and Maria Rutila Gonzalez; brother & Sister, Don Abraham was later
he president of Acatic and a senator of Jalisco.
Agripina's older siblings:
Rafael Garcia born around 1902, Agustina Garcia Around 1905, he was said to
e a Lawyer Virginia Garcia, Around 1906, and Beatriz 29 July 1904, were
aid to be born in Acatic also although I have not confirmed this. The
ounger siblings" Salvador Garcia,Born 3 Mar 1916, Rebecca Garcia, around
918 and Demetrio 1920 and they were born in either Fresnillo (Where
gripina Garcia) attended the"Universidad de Autonoma").

On a side I made an earlier post to the "Research Forum" and I thought I had
ade a post to the "History, culture and general discussion forum" Sorry I
m still learning my way around.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/19558

Jalisco, Mexico

parents:
Encarnation_ Garcia, Pabla Cerrato

record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

name:
Apolonio Garcia Cerrato

gender:
Male

baptism/christening date:
11 Feb 1866

baptism/christening place:
SANTA MARIA DE GUADALUPE, ARANDAS, JALISCO, MEXICO

father's name:
Encarnation_ Garcia

mother's name:
Pabla Cerrato

indexing project (batch) number:
C60442-6

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
279540Jalisco, Mexico

parents:
Encarnation_ Garcia, Pabla Cerrato
Maybe this can help Lety reynoso
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