Nuestros Ranchos Site

Stuart,
I am just guessing, but the 'P' in the greek alphabet is 'Rho' and in some forms of ancient Greek, like those used in Athens and Corinth, was written as 'P' or 'R'. Modern Greek uses 'P', and in the Cyrillic alphabet (e.g. introduced in Russia by St. Cyrill) its wirtten as 'P' but pronounced as 'R' (e.g. initials of soviet republic: CCCP), where the "P" stands for Respublik=Republic . Our 'P' in that alphabet would be 'Pi', like the geometry symbol.

Jaime Alvarado

Here is how I would do it. This method works best if members are
diligent at submitting and/or updating their user profiles to include
their latest data. If you haven't updated your user profiles this would
be a great time to do that.

1) at the top right side of the page click on "Search" with the window
left blank
2) click on Advanced Search
3) Put the surname of interest into the window and click the "advanced
search" button
4) click on "user profiles"

now you should get every member in the group that is doing research on
that name.

let's say You are looking for Garcia's and the area of research is
Teocaltiche

I put in Garcia in the first line and Teocaltiche in the phrase section
of the advanced search and you will get a list of all the results for
Garcia and Teocaltiche so you would need to go from page to page of the
results looking for the results that have both words highlighted in
Yellow (easy to see if its in yellow).

give it a try.

Also you can go to the files and do a search from your computer (using
the page search option on your computer) on locations under members
genealogies. If you find someone researching your area look at their
folder in hopes of similar surnames.

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com wrote:
> I think this question may be for Arturo or Joseph. Is there a way to
> search the surnames other members are investigating, if they are not
> included in the Gedcom resource? (Other than looking up members with
> that surname?) For example, how can I check which other members are
> also investigating a particular surname or, better yet, which members
> are searching for a particular surname in a particular state? This may
> be obvious, I just haven't learned how to do it. Thanks

Here is how I would do it. This method works best if members are
diligent at submitting and/or updating their user profiles to include
their latest data. If you haven't updated your user profiles this would
be a great time to do that.

1) at the top right side of the page click on "Search" with the window
left blank
2) click on Advanced Search
3) Put the surname of interest into the window and click the "advanced
search" button
4) click on "user profiles"

now you should get every member in the group that is doing research on
that name.

let's say You are looking for Garcia's and the area of research is
Teocaltiche

I put in Garcia in the first line and Teocaltiche in the phrase section
of the advanced search and you will get a list of all the results for
Garcia and Teocaltiche so you would need to go from page to page of the
results looking for the results that have both words highlighted in
Yellow (easy to see if its in yellow).

give it a try.

Also you can go to the files and do a search from your computer (using
the page search option on your computer) on locations under members
genealogies. If you find someone researching your area look at their
folder in hopes of similar surnames.

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com wrote:
> I think this question may be for Arturo or Joseph. Is there a way to
> search the surnames other members are investigating, if they are not
> included in the Gedcom resource? (Other than looking up members with
> that surname?) For example, how can I check which other members are
> also investigating a particular surname or, better yet, which members
> are searching for a particular surname in a particular state? This may
> be obvious, I just haven't learned how to do it. Thanks

I believe that this would be quite an undertaking (creating new surname lists), while there already is a method of searching for people researching the same surnames. It is in place under the GEDCOM. I believe that there are only a handful of members who have submitted their GEDCOMS compared to the total number of members. Maybe this would be a good time for all members to consider submitting GEDCOMS, even if it is only a partial GEDCOM. I think most of us are using software that will create a GEDCOM for us and if not, there are numerous free programs out there for use. This is one of the advantages of becoming a member, access to other member's research, but to take full advantage of it, there is a give and take. Please consider today the day that you share some research. The GEDCOM search in place on this website is a powerful tool and easy to use, but in order for it to be effective, members need to share.

Raquel,

This gave me an idea. If there were a list of surname groups with each
member being able to join a specific surname group so that each member could
see which other members are researching the same surname it could possibly
help with some with their investigations. Only those that join could see the
others so there wouldn't be anyone included that didn't want to even if they
are researching the surname.

Armando
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 1:27 PM, wrote:

> I think this question may be for Arturo or Joseph. Is there a way to
> search the surnames other members are investigating, if they are not
> included in the Gedcom resource? (Other than looking up members with that
> surname?) For example, how can I check which other members are also
> investigating a particular surname or, better yet, which members are
> searching for a particular surname in a particular state? This may be
> obvious, I just haven't learned how to do it. Thanks

Hola Jesus o Jose ? Bueno me alegro que nos encontramos. No mas Conozco otra persona que es pariente por lado de (MI abueloAntonio)Hermosillo y era Jose Luis Vazquez el autor de Genealogia de Nochistitlan.
Vi que tienes un ante pasado que se llama Francisco Hermosillo casado con una Jimenez. Quien son los padres de Francisco o la coneccion a Jose Manuel Hermosillo ?
Ronnie Reynoso H.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: josejime@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:38:03 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MARTIN RAMIREZ Y FRANCISCA BIBANCO
>
> Hola a todos los compañeros me gustaria saber algo de esta pareja del lado de Martin ramirez ya que del lado de Francisca de Bibanco tengo hasta los abuelos paternos y maternos es una pareja de ayotlan Jalisco casados en 1723, un saludo y mil gracias de antemano

Hola Jose,esta pareja son mis antepasados. Todo lo que tengo es esto pero parece que estoy mal en el lugar donde se casaron. ( Es Ayotlan lo mismo que Ayo el Chico ? )
Matias Ramirez nacio 29 de febrero 1708 en Ayo de Chico hijo de Lucas Ramirez y Maria Francisca.
Francisca Bibanco nacio 11 de enero 1706 hija de Juan de Bibanco y Maria Magdalena de Mendoza.
Aparte de todo no se casi nada de los abuelos de mis antepasados ni eran espanoles/Indios ni rancheros.
Ya tengo 3 anos que no ha ido investigar ,estaba cuidando mis padres ,y se acaba de murir mi papa hace 3 semanas y mi mama 5 meses.
Ya con tiempo voy a poder investigar mas de mis antepasados. Parece que tienes muchos de los mismos antepasados.
Tengo casi los regulares: Padillas ,Reynoso,Magana,Perez,Marquez,Munoz,alvarez(tostado),Escoto,Hermosillo,Portillo,Ayala,Hernandez,Gonzalez , Centeno ect.
Mis gentes vienen de unos ranchos cercas de San Julian y San Miguel el alto.
Buena suerte Pariente
Ronnie Reynoso
r> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: josejime@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:38:03 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MARTIN RAMIREZ Y FRANCISCA BIBANCO
>
> Hola a todos los compañeros me gustaria saber algo de esta pareja del lado de Martin ramirez ya que del lado de Francisca de Bibanco tengo hasta los abuelos paternos y maternos es una pareja de ayotlan Jalisco casados en 1723, un saludo y mil gracias de antemano

Hola Rosi,

Mi padre es de Tamazula de Gordiano es de la familia Mendez de Torres quizas lo ha escuchado. Esta linea me
lleva al Obispado de Michoacan. Lo siento, si es importantisimo buscar con caucion es una lastima poner bastante
trabajo que resulto que es otra familia. Con el tiempo se hace mas facil especialmente cuando alguien
empieza con un lugar no familiarizado. Ojala te puedo ayudar en algo.

Daniel Méndez Camino

once a gedcom area is set up for you (upon request) you can upload a
gedcom but we cannot upload .paf files (the program PAF can however
create a gedcom for you to upload).

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

irbaca@gmail.com wrote:
> how do you send a gedcom in? i use a PAF program is that an
> acceptable format? i also have many names i am researching what is
> the best way to include those?

If you want to upload your GEDCOM to Nuestros Ranchos, go to the GEDCOM section of the site. You will get an email the first time you go there with instructions on how to request a tree in the database to which you can upload your GEDCOM. Basically, you will simply need to send in your username and request to moderator [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com but you can only do that after you have gone onto that section of the site and gotten the welcome email.

You will then have a blank tree to which you can upload a GEDCOM.

We can't see each others' gedcom files so it is my understanding it is of no
use to upload one. However I don't know how the TNG tab works -
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/tng What can be done is save the PAF to
RTF and upload that to your folder. Instructions can be found at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15482 Apart from that have you
uploaded the gedcom in .ged format to all of the free genealogy websites
such as www.geneanet.org (the one I recommend the most and quite a few
NuestrosRanchos members use) www.miparentela.com (this is owned by
myheritage but w/o a limitation on the number of people in the tree. (Many
NuestrosRanchos members also use this one) www.genoom.com (which most of my
relatives use) and rootsweb? Ancestry.com is free for two weeks which you
can cancel as soon as you upload your info and still add to it afterwards
for free. Most of the above websites allow for uploading and downloading
.ged files and creating ancestral and descendant reports in PDF format which
is my favorite.

Armando
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:52 AM, wrote:

> how do you send a gedcom in? i use a PAF program is that an acceptable
> format? i also have many names i am researching what is the best way to
> include those?

David

If this is what you are looking for, it is posted in the Files area of Nuestros Ranchos at

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15162

It only covers the 1600s. There is some information on how the file is put together, and what some of the limitations are. I have been working on a follow-up file to cover the early 1700s, but it is not complete.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hi George:

Miguel is right about the Valderrama part. We still need to prove it just in case,
like genealogy its myth versus documentable proof. I can say its probably the right family
just being the Valderrama of Lagos de Moreno. Is there anything that says Joseph and
Nicolas were half brothers. Just a note they can be full brothers and still have different last
names. Nicolas was probably named after his great grandfather. A great example would
be the Guerra Valdez family. Every now and then you'll find two brothers although the same parents
use different surnames for various reasons. Surnames were important in colonial times especially
when it involved a title of nobility o Mayorazgo lots of exmaples in Mexico City.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Gorge:
Just a suggestion: Maybe you should consider the father of Nicolas and Jose could be a son of Matias Valderrama and Juana Vazquez Retamosa, married on February 27, 1634 in Lagos. Juana Vazquez Retamosa was the daughter of Mateo Macias Valadez y Vazquez Retamosa and his wife Catalina Lopez de Nava y Guerra

Miguel Beltran

Hola Amigos,

My name is Beverly Ewald. I am a new member, but I'm "old." I have been
doing genealogy for at least 60 years, but every day I learn something new.

I'm doing research on these surnames: Almaguer, Garcia, Gonzales, Medina,
Mendoza, Muños, Sanchez, Sotomayor, Varrio, Zapata.

I'm researching these areas: Asientos, Mesillas, Rincon de Romos, Sagrario,
Tuiguirragui, Aguascalientes.

See my file at:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19189

My Spanish skills are minimal. I speak and read solamente poquito. I was
born and raised in San Antonio, Texas, and now live about 30 miles north of
that city in the Texas Hill Country. I drive into San Antonio five days a
week to my job at the Alamo. I work in the Library of the Daughters of the
Republic of Texas, which is on the Alamo grounds. It is a perfect job for a
researcher--lots of materials on Texas History and many old Mexican/Spanish
documents. Our catalog is online. Look at our webpage:
http://www.drtl.org

I look forward to being a part of this group.

Saludos cordiales,

Beverly

Raquel:

Zacatecas always seem to be sticky research in my case. Records are good up to 1642 or so. For
the city of Zacatecas. From then until the early 1800s they were burned by a priest during the
Cristero war, it's so painful to know we could have learned so much from these records but
unfortunately they are gone. I don't even want to think if any pre 1600s records were also burned.
I know if they existed my research would benefit greatly. Needless to say they could have gone to
nearby places if your luck say maybe Fresnillo or Jerez to baptize, check nearby places. Many nothern
families were in the mining industry causing this great travel from Zacatecas to Durango for example.

This Prado line could take you to Aguascalientes these Guzman del Prado (de Guzman y Prado), couple
lines left for the city of Zacatecas.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Elvira,

This is not a surname that's common in Nochistlan. Nochistlan is at the border
with Jalisco, it borders the region considered to be Los Altos de Jalisco such
as Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, Yahualica, Mexticacan, Cuquio etc.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.

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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 4:40:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Barron Last Name

Alicia de San Jose, Ca.

Since you are doing research in Zac. Have you run into the last name Barron in
the 1700's?. I am looking for a Jose Monico Barron who was born there about
1761. Also looking for a Justa Rufina Candelaria Paredes born abt 1762-63. Both
apparently born in San Juan de Ahorcados, Zac.

I would appreciate a reply.

Elvira in ELP

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Randy,
I've encountered similar situations where siblings are baptized -or appear to have been baptized- in different neighboring localities. Some of the explanations are as follows: 1) The parish kept the records, and the name of the church where the children were actually baptized was recorded at margin. Often that information was not entered into LDS record, and only the name of the parish appears. Upon inspection of the actual image, the actual location of ceremony (baptism, marriage, etc.) can be verified. 2) Priest absence at a church (for multiple reasons). Accordingly, ceremonies had to be conducted temporarily in the neighboring town. Upon examination of the church books you would sometimes reference of such temporary absence and transfer of records. 3) People would choose to christen their children at different churches, for multiple reasons, including respective family ties of the father or the mother to the town where their corresponding families resided. Clues to this c
ome from records of relatives, or where the respective parents were born. 4) Individuals would move because of employment. I have records of relatives moving from one town to another, and then back to the original town. People look for oportunities today, and they would do the same in the past.
Check the original records (images) for clues. Often the names of the god parents are the same regardless of different localites. Also look for other records, including the marriage of the putative siblings in question. Multiple pieces of information can confirm that these are indeed are siblings.

Jaime Alvarado

It is within the realm of possiblities. While I am no expert, here are my
thoughts: Hopefully, someone already has these individuals in their family
tree and already have information, or have ready access to it, Are both
parents from San Juan de Los Lagos? Perhaps one is from San Diego de
Alejandria, or you might be able to locate siblings of theirs there, to
strengthen your hunch. Have you checked whether their is a Juan Antonio De
Anda and a Gerturdis Padilla marriage in San Diego?. But it is best to look
at the films to see what else you can learn. They may indicate grandparents,
where the parents are from, or have padrinos that are the same or ones you
know are siblings of the parents. I don't know when the Jalisco films will
be available online, but hopefully, soon!

Christopher Barrios de Leon

* Descendencia de Pedro de Sardaneta, en las minas de Guanajuato (México) (Ricardo Ortega y Pérez Gallardo, Historia genealógica de las familias más antiguas de México, Tomo I, Marquesado de San Juan de Rayas):
I. Pedro Pérez de Sardaneta y Legaspi (Arenaza, Valle de Lenitz, Guipuzcoa, 1568), probable hermano de Ana de Sardaneta e hijo de Martín Pérez de Sardaneta (ver linaje principal), Alcalde de Arechavaleta (1636), Guipuzcoa, y Señor de la Casa de Sardaneta en la anteiglesia de Arenaza, Valle de Lenitz, Guipuzcoa, casó con María de Arteaga y Lorbizu y tuvieron por hijo a
II. Pedro de Sardaneta y Arteaga, que casó con Antonia de Ruteaga (hija de Francisco de Ruteaga e Isabel de Adriansen) y tuvieron por hijo a
III. Antonio de Sardaneta y Legaspi Ruteaga, que casó con Ana Muñoz del Castillo (hija de Clemente Muñóz del Castillo y de la Vega y Juana de Busto y Argüello; nieta de Roque Muñóz del Castillo y Ana de la Vega, Alonso de Busto e Isabel de Argüello y Jasso), y tuvieron por hijo a
IV. José de Sardaneta y Legaspi (Guanajuato, 18-IX-1677), que caso con María de Legaspi (desdenciente de Miguel López de Legaspi) y tuvieron por hijo a
V. Vicente Manuel de Sardaneta y Legaspi, Primer Marqués de San Juan del Rayas, que casó con Ángela Llorente y tuvieron por hijo a
VI. José Mariano de Sardaneta y Llorente (Guanajuato, 11-XII-1761 a Guanajuato, 9-I-1835), Segundo Marqués de San Juan de Rayas, que casó con Asunción Bustos. Tuvieron por hijos a 1) Juana, 2) Antonia y 3) José.
VII. Juana de Sardaneta y Bustos casó con Miguel Alamán y tuvieron por hijos a: 1) Concencpión, 2) Josefa, 3) Asunción, 4) Juana.
VIII. Asunción Alamán y Sardaneta casó con Juan Bautista Castelazo y tuvieron por hijos a 1) Juan, 2) María, 3) Rodrigo, 3) Eduardo, 4) Ernesto y 5) Esther.
IX. Rodrigo Castelazo Alamán casó con Raquel Andrade Alcaráz (hija de Jesús Andrade y Soledad Alcaráz) y tuvieron por hijas a Raquel y Soledad.
X. Soledad Castelazo Andrade casó con Mario Ocáriz Bustillo y tuvieron por hijos a 1) Juan Ocáriz Castelazo (nacido en México D.F., en 1948; profesor de matemáticas en la UNAM), 2) José Manuel Ocáriz Castelazo (que casó con Paulina Arce Gargollo, hija de José Arce y Cervantes y Paulina Gargollo: ver descendientes de Rafael Cervantes).

HI Patricia Haro; Have you ever searched in the Cedulario Heraldico de Conquistadores de la Nueva Espana. This book lists all the persons who were awarded a Coat of Arms by the Spanish crown during the conquest of Mexico. Perhaps you will find your ancestors arms there. Also the Gary Felix Genealogy website has a list of the Coat of Arms awarded during the conquest. Good Luck. Jose Michel

A usted le puede entrar la línea de los Marqueses de San Clemente, en Guanajuato, por lo Alamán. Es mejor que San Juan de Rayas.

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de pattyharo@gmail.com
Enviado el: Viernes, 23 de Julio de 2010 05:38 a.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Escudo de Armas

Hola,
Alguien sabe o me podra ayudar a encontrar el escudo de armas (si es que existe) de la familia Castelazo?? Por favor

Juan Bautista Castelazo Diaz se caso en Guanajuato el 2 de junio de 1869 con Maria Asuncin Alaman (Nieta de Jose Mariano Sardaneta II Marques de Rayas), tuvieron varios hijos entre ellos Juan Bautista Castelazo Alamn que fu Gobernador de Guanajuato y Maria Castelazo Alaman mi bisabuela.

La leyenda familiar cuenta que el padre de Juan Bautista Castelazo, Jos Rodrigo Castelazo fue nombrado visconde de Regla pero nunca uso su titulo.

Muchas Gracias por su ayuda

Hi,
Can anybody help me to find the arms shield of the Castelazo family??? please

Juan Bautista Castelazo Diaz married in Guanajuato on june 2nd, 1869 with Maria Asuncin Alamn (granddaughter of Jose Mariano Sardaneta II Marques de Rayas), they had several children, among them Juan Bautista Castelazo Alamn who was Governor of Guanajuato y Maria Castelazo Alaman my great grandmother.

The family history tells that the father of Juan Bautista Castelazo Diaz. Jose Rodrigo Castelazo Pia was named Viscount of Regla but he never used that title.

Thank you for your help.

Patricia Haro

HE estudiado el Marquesado de Rayas pero no tanto de los Castelazo, no

se sobre el dicho Visconde de Regla, pero interesantemente los Conde

de Regla son los Romero de Torreros, tengo duda que habia un Visconde

de Regla. Espero en llegada un libro Titulos de Castilla en Indias, que compre

ahi debe decir claramente si habia un Vizconde de Regla. No sabia que eras

de los Sardeneta. Mis Caminos eran nobliarios en Mexico. Tambien, que notado

sus vidas son poca mas encerradas en comparasion de los de Europa. Pienso

que don Mariano Gonzalez Leal ha estudiado bastante sobre estas familias.

Voy a ver que puedo encontrar, si tengo el linaje de los Sardeneta si lo

necesitas, pero pienso que deben tener esa linea entacto, no? Los Castelazos

eran muy gran en la politica en la Ciudad de MExico y en Guanajuato, ya que eran

vecinos de ahi donde tuvieron oficios.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: pattyharo@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:37:50 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Escudo de Armas
>
> Hola,
> Alguien sabe o me podría ayudar a encontrar el escudo de armas (si es que existe) de la familia Castelazo?? Por favor
>
> Juan Bautista Castelazo Diaz se caso en Guanajuato el 2 de junio de 1869 con Maria Asunción Alaman (Nieta de Jose Mariano Sardaneta II Marques de Rayas), tuvieron varios hijos entre ellos Juan Bautista Castelazo Alamán que fué Gobernador de Guanajuato y Maria Castelazo Alaman mi bisabuela.
>
> La leyenda familiar cuenta que el padre de Juan Bautista Castelazo, José Rodrigo Castelazo fue nombrado visconde de Regla pero nunca uso su titulo.
>
> Muchas Gracias por su ayuda
>
> Hi,
> Can anybody help me to find the arms shield of the Castelazo family??? please
>
> Juan Bautista Castelazo Diaz married in Guanajuato on june 2nd, 1869 with Maria Asunción Alamán (granddaughter of Jose Mariano Sardaneta II Marques de Rayas), they had several children, among them Juan Bautista Castelazo Alamán who was Governor of Guanajuato y Maria Castelazo Alaman my great grandmother.
>
> The family history tells that the father of Juan Bautista Castelazo Diaz. Jose Rodrigo Castelazo Piña was named Viscount of Regla but he never used that title.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Patricia Haro
>
>
>

I did a quick look in the IGI for the names you mentioned, with rather limited results.

I did not find a marriage record. I tried Leandro Esparza with both Maria Esparza (this would find "Maria Benita") and Benita Esparza without success.

Is Maria Benita's surname Esparza? I did not find any children for Leandro Esparza and Maria Benita Esparza, although there is one child of a Leandro Esparza and Maria Michaela Esparza in 1827, in Aguascalientes. I found none in Zacatecas.

In searching the new Family Search website I find that Leandro Esparza and Michaela Esparza had several children in Aguascalientes in the 1820s and 1830s. None in Zacatecas.

I looked at one of Leandro and Michaela's children's baptismal records from 1822, which names the grandparents Jose Mara Esparza and Ysidra Torres (paternal) and Domingo Esparza and Maria Pasqual (no last name) (maternal).

If Leandro was the majordomo in the 1860s, this suggests to me that he was older at that point. Thus marrying and having children in the 1820/30s is possible. However, without more definitive information this is just speculation.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Este proyecto (Censo de 1930) solo esta terminado al 46% faltamos muchos.. Pero lastima que no hay suficiente hispanoblantes
en el proyecto para ir progesando rapidamente.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Esperanza, I saw this spelling used in some Jerez Zacatecas records but the
family records show Si.. Sid and finally Cid..
Linda in Nv.

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From: "Latina1955@aol.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 1:12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trejo line

I think I have found the surname "Si" associated with the my Trejo line - 
does anyone know if there was a Chinese influence in Tlaltenango area? 
This surname is of Chinese orientation.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Daniel,
Have you considered the possibility that the Tomas Macias Valadez you are looking for is son of Thomas MV and Maria Lopez de Lizaldi m. 13 sept 1659? The timeline fits. The only child that I got for this couple is Pedro MV who married Juana Ruiz de Esparza and had a child also called Thomas MV b.5 june 1681, who can't be the Tomas you are looking for. However, among Paco Romo's testament list, there are two testaments for Maria Lopez de Lizalde: #79 dated 25.08.1720 and #705 dated 29.04.1710. She must list her children in there.
Just an idea.

Jaime Alvarado

Salvador,

I was in Nochistlan a few years ago when I walked into a book store and I was
able to find they had several copies of one of her books on Nochistlan.

I have one of those books but I believe it might be possible to find a copy for
you in Nochistlan. If you want, I can inquire with one of my cousins who still
lives there to see if he can find you a copy. You can contact me off-line about
this at, alliecar@pacbell.net

Your Ancestress was and is very famous in Mexico for the same reasons you just
mentioned, she had many academic accomplishments for a woman of her times. She
was also a champion of the rights of the indigenous people of Mexico and she
wrote extensively about their language and their traditions.

Because my family is from Nochistlan and because one of my surnames is Ruiz,
I've done a bit of research on Evelia Clotilde Quirarte.

Saludos,
Alicia de San Jose, Ca.

________________________________
From: Salvador Quirarte
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: Salvador Quirarte
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 4:08:05 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] REQUEST FOR ADVICE

Hello to all friends from NuestrosRanchos:

I am about to start an investigation of the QUIRARTE genealogy of
Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

My research pretend to cover to different time lines:

1 - The oldest reference I have is from my grandparents Hermenegildo
Quirarte and Gumara Ruiz.
I have the bautism record of Hermenegildo, from April 13, 1858.. This
Bautism record states his Father was Refugio Quirarte and his mother was
Juana Romo.
From Gumara Ruiz I have not found any record yet.
I never heard about brothers, sisters, cousins or uncles or other close
relatives on the Quirarte side out of a couple of old aunts named Marta Ruiz
and Amalia Ruiz Quirarte.
So I would like to get your advice in how and where to start digging
information.

2 - The second research focus in more recent happenings .
Hermenegildo and Gumara had two daughters and one son. Daughters were Maria
Quirarte Ruiz, Clotilde Evelia Quirarte Ruiz and Cesar Quirarte Ruiz.
Cesar Quirarte Ruiz (my father) was the younger . He was born in 1901 and
was a recognized violinist. He was for manuy years the first violin of the
National Philarmonic Orchestra of Mexico and later Director of the Simphonic
Orchestra of Jalapa, Veracruz .
His sister Clotilde Evelia Quirarte Ruiz was the first women born in the
State of Zacatetas awarded with a Masters and a Doctorate degree. Her
achivements were recognized by the Congress of the State of Zacatecas.
Clotilde wrote several books about the story and language of Nochistlan,
that I would like to find.

The three brothers left Nochistlan very young after the Mexican revolution
ended and settle in Mexico City, where they study and work.
I also have two copies of the Bauptism record of Maria Quirarte Ruiz.
Both with the name of Ma. Raquel Quirarte. One dated 26 Dec 1893 and the
other dated 6 March 1895.
I recall that my father Cesar Quirarte Ruiz told me he has another brother
born and died before he was born.This boy was Christianed Cesar.
So if there were two brothers named Cesar, perhaps they also have two girls
named Maria. Once the first passed away the second was born and also
received the same name of Maria..

My research is motivated by the fact I just discovered that in a small town
close to Nochistlan, named RANCHO ACULCO, the Public pre-school has been
named: Escuela Cesar Quirarte Ruiz.
I want to investigate if the name of the school is related to my father and
if so, why?
I called the Presidencia Municipal and nobody was able to explain me why the
school has that name.
Any help you can provide me in this subject will be very much appreciated.

Gracias y saludos
Salvador Quirarte
squirartetcn@gmail.com

I posted a picture of my grandparents who also emigrated in 1918 --- in
fact this was their passport picture. Their names were Manuel Luna and
Norberta Herrera - both from the Tlaltenango area.

I'm on page 221, informacion matrimonial 1850-1853 -- still have not come
across their marriage documentation in the family search documentation.

Is this where you got the information?

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Arturo

Thank you for finding this!

With the information you provided, I looked for the image on PARES, and was able to find it.

The colors of the PARES image are not as nice as those in the book you located, but the scan provides more detail. Also, the file is not real large (only about 800 Kb). You can enlarge it significantly without much loss of detail.

To get the image from PARES go to http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=100

In the box at the top of the search field labeled Buscar, enter the phrase "curatos de Nueva Galicia", but without the quote marks. Click on Buscar at the bottom of the page.

On the next page, under Archivo de Indias click on Mapas y Planos. On the next page, click on the text that begins with "Plano que", and on the next page, click on the box with the text "Ver imagenes" near the top. The image will then open in the next page.

Click on the large image to further enlarge it. Right click on the enlarged image will allow you to save it.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

My experience has been that translation of an entire webpage really never works well.

You best bet is to cut and paste the various parts. I did this an it worked. You'll need to do this page by page (or perhaps only a part of the page).

For civil birth records, it seems that the normal service this company provides is to get official copies for you. To correct a record is a legal process that they may not do, or you would to talk to them about specifically.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

What do you need translated from the site? What is it you are looking for? I
may be able to help you.

Armando

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Linda wrote:

> Thank you for your suggestions. None of the translation sites work for
> www.tutramiteenmexico.com website. I don't think it wants to be
> translated.
>
> Linda
>