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El pueblo de Cuquío, ubicado al Norte de Tepatitlán, a unos 30 kilómetros de Yahualica, fue la cuna de las primeras familias González Hermosillo. Recordemos que el Primer Diego Ildefonso González Hermosillo, el fundador de la familia, casó en Abril de 1716 con Lorenza Manuela de Cabrera de Plascencia y Maldonado, que era de Cuquío. Ya casados migraron al real de Asientos y luego a la hacienda de El Tecuán, al servicio del Mayorazgo de Ciénega de Mata. Ella había pertenecido a las mejores familias alteñas fundadoras de la Nueva Galicia. De hecho, su padre, don Antonio Cabrera, ostentaba en cargo de Capitán, concedido por la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara. Ramas de los González se quedaron allí aisladas por siglos algunas de esas familias, emparentándose entre sí, lo cual fue bastante común en la Nueva España. Luego se diseminaron por todos los Altos de Jalisco.

Hoy en día, Cuquío conserva en su arquitectura y sus costumbres una verdadera cultura mexicana, la criolla, la que se consolidó durante el virreinato y la vida independiente. Los años no parecen haber pasado por ese pueblo y esa sociedad. Hay espléndidas casonas virreinales muy bien cuidadas y habitadas con admirable dignidad.

Los González no fueron ajenos al devenir histórico de Cuquío, puesto que José María González Hermosillo (que era de las ramas que se fueron al Tecuán y se mudaron luego a La Chona), fue un destacado Insurgente, de las confianzas de don Miguel Hidalgo, por esa causa, las huestes libertarias y don miguel mismo pernoctaron allí, en la que probablemente era la casa de los González Hermosillo.

Aquí, el TESTAMENTO de don Vicente González Hermosillo, descendiente de sexta generación de los González-Cabrera (1808-1882), y que fue tatarabuelo de mi padre José Antonio Reyes González:

"En el nombre del padre, del hijo y del espíritu santo, Yo, Vicente González, mayor de edad, vecino del rancho de Preciado, jurisdicción de Pinos, declaro y digo que como católico, apostólico y romano, habiendo sido casado tres veces. Siendo mi primera mujer María Florencia Díaz de León, hija legítima de los finados don Dionisio Díaz de León y doña María Isidra Macías, habiendo tenido por familia once hijos que son y existen: Jesús, Pedro, Narciso, María Francisca, María del Refugio, Juan, Dionisio, José, Ramón, Francisco y María Merced González.

Que en mi segunda mujer que fue María de Jesús Macías, hija legítima de Toribio Macías y de María Dolores Vázquez, en la que no tuvimos familia, declaro haberle entregado a su finado padre el dote que le ofrecí; así mismo declaro que en mi tercera y última mujer tuvimos una niña que vive y se llama María de Jesús González, siendo su madre María Inés Díaz de León; hija legítima del finado don Luis Díaz de León y María Albina Díaz de León.
Declaro dejar por albaceas a mis hijos Juan Bautista y Dionisio González. Bajo lo expuesto, ordeno y mando sea mi capital repartido el que viene de mi primera mujer, entre mis once hijos y del que era de mi propiedad, se sacará como donación que hago a mi mujer última y la chiquita lo siguiente:

A mi mujer le dejo la casa que poseo en La Montesa y sus muebles en recompensa de un documento que obra en su poder con excepción la parte que son [ilegible] dos piezas seguidas con [] de la mitad de la casa de Aguascalientes []que tengo en el barrio de El Encino, quedando por [] mí ya mencionada chiquita, mi hija Jesús González y de su sobrante, por mi parte, entrarán como herederos mis once hijos primeros, mi mujer actual y mi última hija.
Todo lo expuesto y dicho es bajo conformidad que conozco en mi familia, todo lo cual quiero que valga en la vía y forma legal y mando se guarde cumplir y asiente y revoque [] todo testamento o testamentos en todo lo que fuere contrario a este [] y en lo demás lo apruebo y ratifico y dejo en su fuerza y vigor para que se estime por mi última voluntad y a lo que ningún motivo o pretexto se contravenga.
Así lo otorgo y firmo

Siendo testigos los ciudadanos Higinio Regalado, Comisario actual; José María Morillo, Rosalío Martínez, Valentín Cardona y Anacleto Salazar. Cañaditas, Julio diez y seis de mil ochocientos ochenta y dos. Por la incapacidad del testador, firmo yo, a su ruego. Firmado: Antonio Díaz de León, Comisario; Higinio Regalado. Por sí y a ruego de Rosalío Martínez, Valentín Cardona y Cleto Salazar. José María Morillo."

COMENTARIO
Su hijo don Jesús, figura años después como propietario de la gran porción de tierras que correspondían a "Cañaditas", con la extensión de medios sitio de ganado mayor, o más (unas 900 hectáreas), que lindaba con la parte más sureña la hacienda de La Concepción y la hacienda de Los Campos.

Jorge,

Me faltó lo siguiente:

"En 14 de febro. de 616 años desposse a Juan de Padilla ___ natural de Xerez
con Doña Petrona de siordia, Premissas las moniciones y demás diligencias
establecidas Testigos Alonso Perez, Nicolas Morillo, y Juan Gil estantes en
esta villa. - Velaronse a 13 de enero de 617 años fueron Padrinos Lope Ruiz
de Esparza y Doña María de Siordia cuñada del dicho Juan de Padilla i al
cassamiento fueron Padrinos Doña Juana de Siordia, y Martín Fernandez de
Vaulus su hermano el cual quiso despues descasar a su hermana por no tener
edad, Pero le valió poco la malicia. [firma] Lorezo Rodriguez."

Bill Figueroa

Hola Jorge,

Yo tengo lo siguiente:

Los padres de Juana de Alderete fueron Francisco de Alderete, originario de
Lobaton, Valladolid, Reynos de Castilla, y doña Elvira de Padilla e Isordia.

Fuente: Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, Teocaltiche Jalisco.
Matrimonios Libro #1, Fojas #113V.

Al margen: Diego Alonso con Juana de Alderete

Diego Alonso de Hermosillo con Doña Juana de Alderete, vecinos de este
pueblo.
Juana de Alderete: Hija de Francisco de Alderete y Doña Elbira de Padilla
(difunta)
Padrinos: Capitan Pedro de Burgos y Doña Josepha de Leon.

No se quienes fueron los padres de Francisco de Alderete, pero los de Elvira
de Padilla fueron Juan de Padilla y Delgadillo y Petrona Fernández de Vaulus
y Siordia.

In Aguascalientes, on 14 Feb 1616 were the nuptials for Juan de Padilla,
español natural de Jerez and Petrona de Isordia. The velación on 13 Jan
1617 had as padrinos Lope Ruiz de Esparza and María de Isordia, "cuñada del
novio."

Puedes encontrar el acta de matrimonio en FamilySearch Pilot site.

Bill Figueroa

APUNTES PARA LA HISTORIA DE LA FAMILIA REYES

La vieja tradición de que descendemos de personajes que fueron empleados administradores de haciendas en diferentes tiempos y circunstancias se constata en algunos referentes documentales. Es el caso, por ejemplo, de don Antonio Carrillo de Sandi, persona que fue muy cercana a los afectos del marqués don Fernando Rincón Gallardo y su esposa "la señora mayorazga" doña Josefa Calderón y Berrio.

Don Antonio Carrillo de Sandi (padre de María Carrillo, de quienes descendemos directamente), fue un hombre de todas las confianzas de los Rincón Gallardo y se le hicieron importantes encargos de administración central y la administración de la hacienda de La Troje, además de formar parte de una especie de "Corte" de campo o "personas de agrado y compañía" de los marqueses. María Carrillo de Sandi, hija de don Antonio, casó con Andrés Díaz de León, quien fue administrador de la hacienda de El Tecuán.

En la Historia de Montesa, se refiere que: "Los hijos de don Juan Díaz de León nacieron en la hacienda de El Tecuán, uno de ellos, llamado Andrés casó con doña María Carrillo. Andrés fue muchos años administrador de la hacienda de El Tecuán y cuando murió siguió su hijo Dionisio. Por los años de 1750 doña María Carrillo que había enviudado recientemente, consultó con el Marqués para ver a cuál de sus haciendas podía cambiarse con sus ganados vacunos, y el marqués le dijo que se cambiara a la hacienda de Bocas Viejas y así dicha señora se vino para dicha hacienda. Se vinieron con ella sus hijos que le quedaban sin casar".

Aquí, un testimonio del compadrazgo que existió entre los Carrillo-Macías y los titulares del Mayorazgo de Ciénega de Mata quienes fueron padrinos de bautizo de Ana Gertrudis Carrillo. La ceremonia tuvo lugar en la capilla de Ciénega de Mata el 24 de Noviembre de 1762. Esa cercanía parece ser la causa por la cual nuestra matriarca doña María Carrillo llegó a ser una arrendataria privilegiada en labores de sembradura y montes de estalaje para sus ganados en terrenos de la hacienda de Bocas Viejas y luego en La Montesa.

Andrés Díaz de León y María Carrillo son padres de don Dionisio Díaz de León Carrillo, que también fue administrador de la hacienda de El Tecuán, y abuelo materno de don Aureliano Reyes Díaz de León.

APUNTES PARA LA HISTORIA DE LA FAMILIA REYES

Los titulares del Mayorazgo de Ciénega de Mata, los marqueses de Guadalupe-Gallardo, observaron desde antiguo una costumbre conveniente y eficaz que les unía con sus empleados por medio de vínculos de afecto, gratitud y lealtad. Esos vínculos eran los compadrazgos.

Apadrinar matrimonios y bautizar selectivamente algunas de las criaturas de sus administradores y demás funcionarios de escritorio y operarios de campo era para los Rincón Gallardo una inteligente estrategia para otorgar privilegios y establecer compromisos de sus empleados para con ellos. Formaban así un selecto círculo de familiaridad entre sus sirvientes, clérigos, médicos, capellanes, preceptores de escuela y abogados que formaban algo así como una corte provinciana, pero no eran cualquier gente.

Algunos de ellos eran españoles peninsulares muy finamente educados y con altos estudios; otros eran criollos muy ilustrados y los más, no tanto. Las familias Bocanegra, Montañés, González de Hermosillo, Carrillo de Sandi, Ramos de Oviedo, Gómez de Liaño, Díaz de León, Pieiro-Verdad, Verdad y Ramos, Mitre, Verdad y Mitre, López de la Cerda, Villalpando y alguno de los Reyes, nuestros ancestros, como fue notablemente el caso de don Rafael Reyes Castañeda, formaron parte de un circulo de convivencia en las estancias temporales de los señores mayorazgos en sus fincas de campo, pero eran no menos personas de grata compañía en viajes de negocios o asuetos realizados ya a Guadalajara o a la ciudad de México.

Don Antonio Carrillo de Sandi (padre de María Carrillo, de quienes descendemos directamente), fue un hombre de todas las confianzas de los Rincón Gallardo. A él se le hicieron importantes encargos de administración central y la administración de la hacienda de La Troje, además de formar parte de una especie de "Corte" de campo o "personas de agrado y compañía" de los marqueses. Como sabemos, María Carrillo casó con Andrés Díaz de León, que fue muchos años administrador de la hacienda del Tecuán.

Hi

I came across the death/burial record for:

Maria Ruys (Ruis) de Esparza, wife of el capn.Thomas de Alexo Villalpando.

She has been referred to as Maria de Sotelo, and Maria de Xaen Ruiz de Esparza in other documents, according to George Fulton's "Descendants of Tomás de Villalpando and Maria Beles (Vélez)

She was buried 09 March 1710 in Asientos.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XXD3-FVH?i=21&wc=M6QX-… IMAGE 22

Citation:

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XXD3-FVH?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q… : 20 May 2014), Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Defunciones 1705-1757 > image 22 of 551; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

Regards
Denise

I found a baptism entry 1681 for MARCOS DE VILLALPANDO, son of MARCOS DE VILLALPANDO and MARIA LOPEZ in LEON.

IMAGE 112
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:37SQ-29SV-K39?i=111&wc=3VWP…

"México, Guanajuato, registros parroquiales, 1519-1984," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:37SQ-29SV-K39?cc=1860831&wc=3VW… : 20 May 2014), León > Sagrario > Bautismos de españoles 1636-1715, 1718-1748 > image 112 of 598; parroquias Católicas, Guanajuato (Catholic Church parishes, Guanajuato).

Regards
Denise

I found three mentions of Antonio Villapando...three men or two or one and the same?

Here are the links and some info:

Image 275
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SPY?i=274&wc=M6QX…
06 May 1752
Joseph Antonio Villalpando, age 25, esp, soltero, testigo #2, MAESTRO DE SASTRE
I.M. for Joseph Sanchez mestizo and Maria Servantes española
Cannot sign his own name
_______________
Image 279
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SKV?i=278&wc=M6QX…
10 may 1752
Antonio de Villalpando age 25, esp, soltero, testigo #2,
I.M. for Joseph Marcelo Reyes esp and Anna Josepha (Infante) esp.
cannot sign own name
______________

Image 305
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SKN?i=304&wc=M6QX… image 305
10 june 1752
Antonio de Villalpando, age 24, from Tepezalan, soltero, testigo #1
I M for Pedro Fermin Martinez indio and Anna Gertrudis Martinez india
Signed his own name (but it looks like he is not used to writing!)

So, if you descend from an Antonio Villalpando, there are a few clues here....

Regards,
Denise

edit: forgot the source, here it is:
"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch
Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Información matrimonial 1750-1754
parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).
Film number 1410803

Hi Villalpando and Aguila researchers

I have gone through the images for the Asientos Informacion Matrimoniales 1750- 54 looking for Aguila and Villalpando names. I did not see anyone with last name Aguila, but there were several Villalpandos. I have already posted some of them, and here are the rest:

FIRST the citation:
Mexico, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620 - 1962 (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes)
Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Información Matrimonial 1750 - 1754

WHAT I FOUND:

10 May 1752
Image 279
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SKV?i=278&wc=M6QX…
Antonio de Villalpando, testigo #2, IM for Anna Josepha Infante (esp) and Joseph Marcelo Reyes (esp)
age 25,
esp,
soltero,
cannot sign his name

Image 325 -
26 aug 1752
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SYF?i=324&wc=M6QX…
Miguel de Villalpando, testigo #2, IM for Maria Josepha de los Dolores Sanchez Tinagero (esp) and Francisco Xavier Calbo (esp)
age 29,
From Thepesalan,
hortelano,
married to Gertrudis Theresa de los Angeles
Cannot sign his name

Image 328
23 Sept 1752
IM for Antonio Dionicio de Villalpando (esp) and Barbara Gertrudis Romo de Vivar (esp)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SP3?i=327&wc=M6QX…
From Thepesalan
h.l. - father: Francisco Villalpando, mother: Petra Luebana
Age 20
Signs his own name

Image 599
30 dec 1754
Joseph Antonio Villalpando noted as mestizo, parents named (see below)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-3MT?i=598&wc=M6QX…
Joseph Antonio Villalpando
h l de Eusebio Villalpando and Nicolassa Francisca Lopes
age 26,
Mestizo
Cannot sign his name

I started to note whether or not they signed their name because earlier I found two Antonio Villalpandos and that was the only difference.

Regards
Denise

I found:

Joseph Antonio Villalpando as testigo #2 , noted as single, age 25. I think he is #29 on George Fulton's list of descendants of Tomas de Villalpando, where he is listed as the son of Elena Lorensa de Villalpando and Salbador de Santiago de Escobar, christened 16 May 1736. The proposed marriage is for Joseph Sanchez mestizo and Maria Servantes española, the document is dated 06 May of 1752.

Here is the link:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SPY?i=274&wc=M6QX…

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Hi Denise!

I found this while looking for something else and I thought it appropriate to share here.

It is for a merced (land grant) given to Don Juan Antonio Villalpando in 1762 (I think).

“…en dicha ciudad a los 17 de marzo pasado de este corriente año, en que hizo merced a Don Juan Antonio Villalpando y sus consortes vecinos de los Asientos de 36 caballerías, y tres cuartos de otra que resultan realengas en el Puesto de Tepezalá de la misma jurisdicción…”

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-DS3B-G?cat=278176

And elsewhere, I found a map that I believe shows the above mentioned merced near Tepezalá. There is also a signature from a Pedro Joseph de Billalpando on the page.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-YSFL-Z?cat=278176

Glenn

Denise,

I'm glad you found more info on the Villalpando line, two generations! Great!

Keep up the good work please.

Best regards,

Bernardo Menchaca

Hi George

I found this reference to a Thomas de Villalpando in Asientos (Tepesala) in a case regarding a palabra de casamiento

16 August 1724
Maria de la Salud Esparza Billalpando espanola
From Tepesala but resident of Asientos
identified as the daughter of Thomas de Billalpando and Maria de Esparza

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PH7-MV7?i=345&wc=M6QX…

It's in the Info Matr for Asientos 1721-26, image 346.

Regards
Denise

I came across documents regarding a case of dispute over a promise of marriage. The man involved is named Marzelo Antonio Nepumoceno Villalpando. He declares that he does not, after all, want to marry Maria del Carmen Lopez, (even though he admits to “illicit amistad”) She contests this. In his declaration he mentions the following:
His father - Manuel Villalpando
His brother in law - Diego de Aguila, living in Tepezala
His uncle - Miguel Villalpando

His father is further identified at the beginning of the document as Joseph Manuel Villalpando.
Here is a link to the first image where case is mentioned:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6769-Q2J?i=517&wc=M6QX…
It runs from image 518 to image 547. Most of the images are good and handwriting is clear, but the last few pages are not so clear. Don’t know how it ended, except FS index reveals that Marzelo later married someone else and had several children.

There are a few other names and relationships, including perhaps two other siblings, but my Spanish is not good enough to be sure of what is stated. But I am sure of the above. So I concluded that this Marzelo could be the brother of Antonia Rosalia Villalpando married to Diego de el Aguila. In which case they had the same father and maybe the same mother.

In indexed records in FS, I found a marriage for a Joseph Manuel Villalpando and Maria Dolores de Santiago in 1730. I figured if they married in 1730, they would be having children from 1730 - 40 or later. So I could search in that decade for baptisms for either person. If I found Marzelo, at least I knew Manuel’s children were being baptized there. Earlier, I had a theory that Antonia Rosalia was born between 1717-27 but now I could see that was probably wrong - no wonder I never found it in those earlier records! I needed to look in the 1730’s. I did , and I found Antonia Rosalia’s record of baptism. This is the link:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-GY1?i=739&wc=M6Q6…
Image 740
22 June 1732
Antonia Rosalia 8 days old, esp. h.l.
Father: Manuel Villalpando
Mother: Maria de los Dolores
Padrino: Nicolas Vicente de Esparza

In the indexed record of marriage mentioned above, Joseph Manuel Villalpando’s parents are named: Antonio de Villalpando and Maria Chaires. His bride is named as Maria Dolores de Santiago, daughter of Juan de Santiago and Gertrudis de los Angeles. The funny thing is, I have recently posted a question about the name Chaires because I didn’t know if I was reading it right, thought it might be Chaves - at the time, I was just curious, had no idea they were on my family tree!
It is absolutely a stroke of luck I found this info, because I was looking for informaciones matrimoniales and was ready to hop over all these images about some case involving a Villalpando - there are so many in that area at that time - but curiosity got the better of me (it was really a tragic case of desire and perhaps ambition gone wrong, parents didn’t approve, illicit amistad, he said/she said), and then the name Diego del Aguila popped up, the brother in law of Marzelo! And it rolled from there.

Additional info I found in baptismal records not yet indexed: Marzelos grandparents, Antonio and Maria, had these two children which I found recently - info below is from my notes:

baptism
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-PHS?i=249&wc=M6Q6…
Image 250
06 june 1718
Child: Juana de Guadalupe
Father: Antonio de Villalpando
Mother: Maria de Chavze (Chavez?)
padrinos:
Antonio Velasquez
Salvadora de Villasenor

Bapt
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-GNM?i=294&wc=M6Q6…
Image 295
25 jan 1720
Child: Manuela esp h l BORN PUESTO DE THEPEZALAN
Father: Antonio Villalpando
Mother Maria Chaves (???)
Padrinos Andres Martin and Francisca (?)

So, I have Antonia Rosalia’s parents and her paternal grandparents. Hope to find out more on her mother’s side, and how Antonio Villalpando links up with the other Villalpandos of Asientos!

Regards
Denise

Hi

I am trying to find out if these two Juana Villalpandos are the same person.

The first Juana:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-PHS?i=249&wc=M6Q6…

The first image is for a baptism of Juana de Guadalupe (left hand side, 5th from the top)
Her father is clearly written Antonio del Villalpando.
Her mother’s name (last name) is not so clear: Maria de Chavez? Chayze? Chayre?

The second Juana

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6323-9G1?i=495&wc=M6QX…

The second image is an Informacion Matrimonial for Joseph de Arambulo and Juana Villalpando. On the third line from the top, you see Juana’s mother’s name. It looks like the same last name on the birth certificate - kind of like Chavez yet not Chavez.

I am pretty sure its the same woman, but the last name of the mother is one I cannot figure out. The second Juana was espanola, but at the age of 36, with both her parents dead, she marries a mulato, who was fifty years old. What an interesting story! I am not descended from this couple, but I have some African genes, however so far only found one African ancestor from back in the 1600s and the connection is not 100% sure. I am hoping to find out for sure some day! But this record may be of interest to anyone who has this couple on their tree. As for my interest, I don't like having mistakes on surnames in my own notes.

Anyway, can anyone help me with the last name of Maria mother of Juana?

Regards
Denise

Hi George

I am going through baptisms in Asientos in the early 1700's.

Found these baptisms which you might be interested in:

1.
14 nov 1719
Child Santiago Biturino (?) esp h l
Father: nicolas de luebana
Mother: Maria de Billalpando

Padrinos: Antonio Serrano and Petrona Gentil Gallardo

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-P33?i=286&wc=M6Q6…

2.
25 oct. 1720
child: Maria theresa esp h l
father: Pedro de Esparza
mother: Dona Nicolasa Gentil Gallardo

padrino: Don Salvador Sanchez

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-PN3?i=320&wc=M6Q6…

3. Antonio Serrano and Petrona Gentil Gallardo were padrinos for yet another child:

Image 269
26 feb 1719

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCXQ-PQ1?i=268&wc=M6Q6…

Child juan francisco solano
Father Antonio Romo de Vivar
Mother Phelipa de Cuebas

Padrinos Antonio Serrano and Petronila Gentil Gallardo

____

I am trying to find the baptism of Rosalia Villalpando who was the wife of Diego Xavier de el Aguila...They were the parents of Justa Rafaela de el Aguila. She married Rafael Romo aka Rafael Femat, who ended up in Coahuila and founded the Romo line in Nadadores and San Buenaventura. (My great grandmother was a Romo from that area). I can see from the images and the digitized records that the Villalpandos are linked to Femat, Serrano, Romo, Esparza, and Gentil Gallardo families (among others) - very interesting! I hope to get Rosalias line straightened out....and i appreciate the info on Thomas Villalpando in you post - I imagine somehow there is a link to Rosalia.

Therefore, if you have any information on Rosalia Villalpando I would appreciate a posting on it!

Best Regards
Denise

Here you go, primo, here's the main page for the diocese of Guadalajara, 1639-1875: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24108

The main page isn't indexed by community, but if you follow the thread, you'll find some indexed by NR members.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Denise,

i dont know the answer to this question, but if you find out could you please post the information. there are several people who are looking for this information also. Also looking for late 1600s Fresnillo records too.

Hello Everyone,

While looking at some documents related to the Holy Inquisition in Mexico... I ran across a document which mentions Alonso de Villalpando and Faustina Arias:

Proceso contra Diego Fernandez del Toro por Blasfemo - Maravatio (1581)

It's somewhat difficult to read given the Spanish paleography of the period. I am able to make out some names and that Alonso and Faustina were Espanoles neighbors of Maravatio.

By the way, please check on www.valladoliddispensas.com for Villalpando dispensas/informacion matrimoniales when you get a chance. I think that there's 2 or 3 at least that we've turned up.

Hope it helps.

Daniel

En veinte y un días del mes de febrero de mil y seiscientos y treinta y ocho años . . .puse el santo olio y chrisma a Joan hijo de Andrés y Christina Angelina naturales de la hacienda de Villalpando. Fueron sus padirnos Diego Miguel y Ana María de la misma hacienda, baptiçole por salir muy malo, Jusepe de Villalpando, español.
[Rúbrica] Fr. Alonso de Contreras

It appears the Villalpando family held lands in and out of Guanajuato. It appears this Jusepe de Villalpando was a relative of the hacendado. Some other sources I have are the following:

“Juan Villalpando recibió como merced del Cabildo de la villa de León tres caballerías. Pedro Medel recibió otras tantas de la misma autoridad, que después vendió a Villalpando en $100 el 10 de febrero de 1610.” Haciendas de Guanajuato by Isauro Rionda Arreguín

In 1610 Juan de Villalpando had received three caballerías from the city council and then purchased the land that belonged to Pedro Medel, without doubt in my mind this Pedro Medel is the same one who established himself around the same time in Guanajuato. The Medel family would reach Aguascalientes society by marrying into the Alonso de los Hinojos, Montañés, Tello de Orozco, Pérez Burgeño and López de Elizalde families.

Another one, though these are about the Villalpandos of León in the XVIII century. In the 1700s a descendant of the Villalpando had acquired the haciendas San Rafael and San Felipe. They had also purchased silver mines (follows) and became business partners with el conde de la Valenciana, el conde de Pérez-Gálvez, and el marques de Sardaneta.

It is said that Tomás Alejandro de Villalpando who settled in Aguascalientes and married María de Vargas on 7 Oct 1677 and again on 12 Mar 1690 to María de Jaén was from León, Guanajuato. I would like to prove this claim.

Guanajuato, Michoacán. Tierras. Años 1713-44. VoL 295. Exp. 1. F. 542.
Po. Inventario de los bienes pertenecientes a Juan de Villalpando, entre los que se encuentran las haciendas de San Rafael y San Felipe

Valenciana, Ruhl, Perez-Galvez, and Otero, are all indebted for their possessions to the mines of Valenciana and Villalpando, at Guanajuato. The family of Sardaneta, formerly Marquises de Rayas.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Hi Daniel

Diego Mendez de Torres and Constanza de Busto y Puelles (in the 8th entry below) are mentioned as padrinos in a baptism in Leon in 1671.

He is named as "el Sr. Alcalde" Diego Mendez. Constanza is named Dna. Constanza Busto.

The child is Constanza, dau. of Nicolas Banales and Maria Lopez de Lara.

I thought it was interesting to see Diego's "job". You may have already seen this, but just in case, posting it here.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S7WF-S51L-J9?i=77&wc=3VWP-7…

"México, Guanajuato, registros parroquiales, 1519-1984," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S7WF-S51L-J9?cc=1860831&wc=3VWP… : 20 May 2014), León > Sagrario > Bautismos de españoles 1636-1715, 1718-1748 > image 78 of 598; parroquias Católicas, Guanajuato (Catholic Church parishes, Guanajuato).

Regards
Denise Fastrup

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By Ramirez - Posted on 20 January 2011

Daniel, te envio los fragmentos que encontré de los Gutiérrez de Robles y Méndez de Torres en el libro de Guillermo Padilla Origel "Extractos de Informes Matrimoniales en el Obispado de Michoacán durante el Siglo XVII (1630-1685)". Espero te sirvan de algo:

1.- 7 de diciembre de 1672. Zamora.
Jerónimo Rodríguez Morfín, de Tangancícuaro, h.l. de Jerónimo Rodríguez Morfín e Isabel de Liébana; con Ana Gutiérrez de Robles, de Zamora, h.l. de Pedro Gutiérrez de Robles y Ana de Garibay.

2.- 10 de enero de 1660. Zamora.
Pedro Robledo, de Zamora, h.l. del Capitán Francisco Robledo y María de la Huerta; con Jerónima Gutiérrez de Robles, de Zamora, h.l. de Lázaro Gutiérrez de Robles y Lorenza Pérez de Garfias.

3.- 9 de enero de 1662. Tlazazalca.
Diego Fernández, de Huaniqueo, h.l. de Pedro Fernández Carballo y de Isabel Gutiérrez; con Josefa Gutiérrez de Robles, de Zamora, h.l. de Pedro Gutiérrez de Robles y Ana de Garibay.

4.- 2 de septiembre de 1640. Salamanca.
Capitán Antonio Carlos Martín, alcalde ordinario de esta Villa; con María Gutiérrez de Robles, h.l. de Diego Gutiérrez de Robles y Ana López.

5.- 27 de junio de 1676. Zamora.
Hernando de Chávez, de Zamora, h.l. de Hernando de Chávez y María de Zamora; con María Gutiérrez de Robles, h.l. de Pedro Gutiérrez de Robles y Ana de Garibay.

6.- 8 de agosto de 1673. Zamora.
Simón Tello, de Zamora, viudo de Antonia de Soria, h.l. del Capitán Juan Bautista y Nicolasa Gutiérrez; con Jerónima de Torres Lupiana, h.l. del Alférez Real Don José Méndez de Torres y Catalina de Lupiana, de Zamora.

7.- 20 de enero de 1657. Zamora.
Ramón de Cisneros, de Valladolid; con María Méndez de Torres, h.l. de Diego Méndez de Torres y Ana María Solís, de Zamora.

8.- 27 de enero de 1680. León.
Lorenzo de Zúñiga, de Puruándiro, h.l. de Juan de Zúñiga y Guiomar de Bocanegra; con Josefa de Busto y Méndez, de León, h.l. de Diego Méndez de Torres y Constanza de Busto y Puelles.

9.- 21 de octubre de 1682. Valladolid.
Juan Bermúdez de Figueroa y Castro, natural de la feligresía de Santa María en Galicia en los reinos de Castilla, h.l. de Francisco Bermúdez de Castro y Figueroa y Antonia de Méndez y Figueroa; con María de Torres y Lupiana, viuda de Nicolás de Cervantes, de Zamora, h.l. del Alférez Mayor don José Méndez de Torres y doña Catalina de Lupiana y Torres.

10.- 16 de junio de 1683. Zamora.
José del Campo, de Zamora, h.l. de Salvador del Campo y Juana Begines de Andrada; con Josefa de Torres, h.l. de Simón Méndez de Torres y Juana de Lupiana.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

Jorge y el foro:

Gracias realmente por la búsqueda ayuda bastante ya que el libro está agotado. Me he comunicado con Guillermo Padilla Orgiel diariamente sobre mis líneas de michoacán.

Hay mucho interés en conectar a mi patriarcha don Diego Méndez de Torres que llegó a Zamora a principios del siglo XVII. En mis estudios pues unos de mis actos positivos mi familia levantó limpieza de sangre a principios del siglo XIX fechado 20 de octubre de 1818 en la ciudad de México cuando ingresaron al Real Colegio de Abogados en la Ciudad de México.

Cito el libro, Aspirantes al ilustre y Real Colegio de Abogados de México: Extractos de sus informaciones de limpieza de sangre (1760-1823) Tomo III (Pág. 70 expediente 406) por el Sr. Lic. Alejandro Mayagoitia. Levantó información genealógica de limpieza de sangre los hermanos Méndez de Torres (hubo cino que ingresaron al Real Colegio de Abogados). Tengo copia de los cinco tomos de dicha obra por el Sr. Lic. Mayagoitia. Hay muchos parientes alteños y neogallego y otros de interés que ingresaron al dicho Colegio. Si requiere bastante estudio.

Mi línea termina con Bernardo Méndez de Torres que veló en 1727 con Francisca de Cisneros en la parroquia del Sagrario de San Martín en Zamora, Michoacán. Al momento estoy revisando los registros parroquiales de Zamora y intento de publicar una obra de mis extracciones de españoles y notas de dicho lugar del siglo XVI al siglo XIX. Hubo muchísimos alteños que radicaron en sitio ya mencionado apellidos entre otros González de Hermosillo, López de Lara, Muñoz de Xérez, de la Mota Padilla, Padilla Dávila para mencionar algunos que tiene vínculo a Los Altos de Jalisco.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Hello Laura, We may have common relative in Jose Maria Villa(early 1800's). I have him as my 5th great grandfather. Then there's his son, also Jose Maria Villa. Then his son Sostenes Villa born in "El Ojo de Agua de Los Solis". Let me know if you think we link up. I still don't have the two Jose Maria's birthplaces but I'm betting they're from around the same area.
Take Care,
Johnny

Thank you Laura!!

Alicia

________________________________
From: Laura Villa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New GEDCOM file added (Villa, Casillas, Solis)

Just wanted to let everyone know that I uploaded a GEDCOM file for my family tree. It contains about 200 people. My family comes from Zacatecas (Nochistlan, Pueblo Viejo, Moyahua, Teul, Tabasco). The majority of the surnames in the family tree are Villa, Casillas, Solis, and Duran. Hope this info helps others :)

-Laura

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/laura107                        

(10) Diego de Alvarado Mexia had a first marriage prior to being married to Leonor Contreras y Gutierrez. His first marriage was to Teresa Suarez De Moscoso y Figueroa There was only one daughter from this first marriage, Isabel Suarez Alvarado De Figueroa, who married her cousin, Alonso Hernandez De Moscoso y Figueroa. Alonso and Isabel are the parents of Catalina De Alvarado y Figueroa who married Pedro Venegas y Quesada.

Rick A. Ricci

1. – Don Arias Díaz Messía, que vivió en el Solar de los Messía en Galicia en tiempos del rey Alfonso VI.

2. – Don Garci Díaz Messía, casó con doña Teresa Yánez de Fornelos.

3. – Don Arias Díaz Messía, sirvió al rey en la batalla de las Navas de Tolosa y que casó con doña Elvira de Ambia.

4. – Don Juan Arias Messía, tomó parte en la conquista de Córdoba, con el rey Fernando III, y que casó con doña Juana de Figueroa.

5. – Don Garci Diaz Messia, sirvió a los reyes Alfonso X y Sancho IV el Bravo, y que casó, en segundas nupcias, con doña Isabel de Mendoza.

6. – Don Gonzalo Messía, vivió en tiempos de Fernando IV y casó con doña Juana Osorio.

7. – Don Garci Díaz Messía, vivió en tiempos del rey Alfonso XI y casó con doña María de Guzmán

8. – Don Diego Gonzalo Messía, Señor De Loriana casó con María Sánchez de Sandoval Sotomayor.

9. – Doña Catalina Messía De Sandoval se casó con Juan De Alvarado Dávila “el Viejo” Bracamonte, comendador de Hornachos en la orden De Santiago.

10. – Don Diego Gómez de Alvarado y Mexía, comendador de Lobón,Puebla, Montijo y Cubillana, Maestresala de Enrique IV, General de la frontera de Portugal, casó por segunda vez con Leonor Contreras.

11. – Gómez “el viejo” de Alvarado y Contreras, Conquistador, casó con Bernardina de Frias.

12. – Dońa Isabel De Alvarado, Casado por primera vez con Guillen de la Lao, conquistador de la Nueva España, y en segundo matrimonio con Pedro Medinilla, regidor de la ciudad de México.
Yo desciendo de los dos matrimonios de Isabel Alvarado por la descendencia que dejó en Los Altos de Jalisco.

Source: my book mygenes2000

R.A. Ricci

Richard,

Thank you for providing these examples of documents in varios registries in PARES, what a wealth mine of information! I'll need to review these documents over the next few weeks and see what additional information I can find on the line. It would be interesting to see if we can work on the family line in Granada. The fact we know that the father was a oídor, can help us pinpoint further clues as to their ancestry. Regarding your Ibarra line, we are also related here. Antonio de Ibarra and Francisca de Gabay, Montes de Oca or Esparza (she used several names) are my 10th great grand uncle and aunt. I descend from Francisca's parents: Francisco Sánchez Rodríguez y Montes de Oca and Ana Tomasina Ruiz de Esparza. Here is their marriage record; you may have it already.

17 de agosto de 1639
Casé y velé Antonio de Ibarra hijo legítimo de Antonio de Ibarra y María de Escobar, él natural del pueblo de Teocaltiche con testimonio del cura del pueblo con Francisca Sánchez Gavai hija de Francisco Sánchez Montes de Oca, difunto y Ana Ruiz de Esparza, españoles, residentes en esta villa de Aguascalientes. Fueron sus padrinos de velación Diego Morán y María de la Xara. Fueron testigos Joan Sotelo, Pedro Velásquez, Antonio de Ibarra.

Manny,

Thank you again for always being so willing to share your findings! Yes, I also descend from Catalina López de la Paz, this line would end up in Mexico City producing the mayorazgo de Moreno-Monroy and further marrying into the mayorazgo de Guerrero-Villaseca. It amazes me how small our ancestor's gene pool is relatively small, even with great distances within Mexico--we truly are related, time after time, across multiple lines. I was not aware of Juana Bautista López de la Paz, so this is exciting to see that I have another connection here thru the Vanegas de Torres. Thanks again for providing the link to the testamento. Could you provide further detail on your "de la Cruz" line, I'd like to return the favor and see if I can help or perhaps have some clues that help you.

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Hi Richard,

Thank you for sharing this information and for starting a new thread on this family. Andrés Vanegas de Torres and Isabel de Medinilla are my 10th great grandparents on my mother's side. We descend from their daughter Ana Juliana Vanegas de Torres y Medinilla who was baptized on 28 Feb 1625 in Guadalajara. She married Fernando de Soto y Agredano ca. 1640, probably in Guadalajara and had numerous children. This line is interesting as their children would marry into the Ladrón de Guevara, Gómez de Aguilar, González de Rubalcaba, and Martínez de Basurto, just to name a few familiar names.

Do you have a source for Andrés Vanegas de Torres, from Granada? And any children he may have baptized? I was not aware of this, then again, I haven't been able to dedicate too much time to this line. As far as the link with Isabel, it is very interesting. The timeline, name and place fits. We'll need to find a dispensa, marriage or civil record that clearly establish the link between the Medinilla Alvarado and Vanegas de Torres, but I think you are on the right track. Medinilla is not a very common name in the virreinato, so it is bound to be them.

Best Regards,

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Hi Bernardo

I just figured out that two Femat sibliings married two Romo siblings:

Antonio Fermin Femat and Monica Romo de Vivar

Isabel Femat and Salvador Romo de Vivar.

Antonio and Isabel are the children of Fermin Antonio Femat and Barbara Gonzales Aguirre.

Monica and Salvador are the children of Nicolas Romo de Vivar and Maria Villalobos.

You provided the info on Monica RV and Antonio Femat.

The info on Isabel and Salvador is in an Info Matr. from Asientos 1716:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D8S7-XFT?i=209&wc=M6QX…

GS film #1410796 image 210

I came across it by chance while browsing through the images.

I did a search here in NR for Salvador Romo and Isabel Femat, and I found nothing, therefore I am posting it now, as another example of siblings marrying siblings. It really complicates trying to draw a family tree!

Do you have any info on Fermin Antonio Femat or Barbara Gonzales Aguirre?

Regards
Denise

Denise Fastrup
Hi Bernardo

I can see there are several potential children of Maria Urbana Lira and Raphael Romo
in family search, although you only mention three children.
Ma.Romualda
Ma.Eulogia
Jose Ydelfonso
Ma. Ambrosia
Ma. Felipe
Jose Fruto
Rafael de Jesus

Here is the link to the search results:
https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenna…

I can see in my notes that Romualda was noted as mestiza, and Ambrosia as India. When I first saw this infomation, I had dismissed any close link to the Romos I was looking for, who are noted as Spanish, but since then I have come across an article that discussed the switching of ethnic identity between Spanish and Indian (of the same person!).

The truth is, Manual Romo + wife who are my ancestors were padrinos for a child of Raphael and Urbana, and Raphael and Urbana were padrinos in return. Someday I hope to have it all straightened out!

Regards,
Denise

Denise Fastrup
Hello Bernando

I have uploaded some information into my files from Ancestry.com on Manuel Romo which shows that Maria Hurvana Lira was godparent for one of his children. This is the Manuel who I think has Raphael Prudencio Romo and Maria Rafaela Aguilar as parents. The information was compiled by Ernie Alderete with a few of my own notes added. If you have problems seeing the file, let me know.

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

Bernardo,

Maria de los Dolores FEMAT was married to Jose Antonio SERRANO Villalpando on 11 Oct 1792, in Asientos, Ags, Sra. de Belen, Mat 1792-1810, Image 12.
and
Tiburcio FEMAT married Maria Antonia MARTINES Castañeda on 13 Jan 1808, also Asientos, same film, Image 335.

Gloria Delgado

Hello Bermardo. I can't help you with what you asked about. However, in
case you find out that Rafael Femate and Rafael Romo are one and the same
person you should know that Capitán Nicolás Romo de Vivar was the son of
Pedro Romo de Vivar and Lorenza Tiscareño de Molina y Ruiz de Esparza.
Maria de Villalobos was the daughter of Salvador de Villalobos Macías
Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz. Many people have
confused this María with Mariana de Villalobos the daughter of Nicolás de
Villalobos Macías Valadez and Teresa Carrillo de Sandi, who doesn't even
have the Martín or Martinez surname, and married Nicolás Romo de Vivar the
son of Diego Romo de Vivar and Luisa de los Ángeles de los Reyes.

Saludos
Armando

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM, wrote:

> Dear fellow genealogists (amateur or professional). My name is Bernardo
> Menchaca from Monterrey (now living in Monclova, Coahuila) and am
> researching my Romo ancestors. I’m relatively new to the Nuestros Ranchos
> community and hadn’t troubled you with requests until I had something to
> offer (or so I think).
>
> Let me give you first some background information on what I know, them
> something of what I infer and have some doubts with, and lastly what I ask
> of you.
>
> I. WHAT I KNOW:
>
> I.1 INFORMACIÓN MATRIMONIAL OF RAFAEL FEMATE AND JUANA MARÍA LÓPEZ
> Dated 3/Sept/1801, Ojocaliente, Zacatecas
> His parents were Ygnacio Femate and Ma. Antonia Velasco
> He was 35 years old and was born in Rincón de Romos
> She was 27 years old and was born in El Venado
> Her parents were Gerónimo López and María Ylaria Zapata
> He had lived for 16 years in the city of Zacatecas
> After that, and for the last three years he was a resident of the
> Ojocaliente community in the Posts (puestos) of Asulaque?, Blanca and
> Vajío
> He was a widower (en segundas nupcias) of Joaquina de Salas (who
> was buried in Zacatecas)
>
> I.2 BAPTISMAL INFORMATION FOR LEONARDO ROMO LOPEZ
> Dated 10/Nov/1802, Salinas, San Luis Potosí
> Was born in Charquito Colorado ¿?
> His parents were José Rafael Romo and Juana María López
> His paternal grandparents were (in error) José Romo and María
> Manuela
> His maternal grandparents were Gerónimo López and María Ylaria
> Sapata (the same parents as above in the Información Matrimonial of
> Rafael Femate and Juana María López)
>
> I.3 BURIAL INFORMATION FOR JUANA MARÍA LÓPEZ
> Dated 14/Jan/1803, Salinas, San Luis Potosí
> She was the wife of Rafael Romo de Vivar
> She was originally from Ojocaliente
>
> I.4 INFORMACIÓN MATRIMONIAL FOR RAFAEL ROMO AND MARÍA URBANA LIRA
> Dated 9/Apr/1803, Salinas, San Lus Potosí
> He was 32 years old (changed his age) and was from Rincón de Romos
> Had been raised in La Veta (doesn’t mention Zacatecas) and was a
> resident of Ramos and La Palma Pegada
> His parents were Ygnacio Romo and Antonia Velasco
>
> I.5 BAPTISMAL INFORMATION FOR THREE CHILDREN OF RAFAEL ROMO AND MARÍA
> URBANA LIRA
> Two mention the paternal grandfather as Ygnacio Romo and one as
> Antonio Romo (could really be Ygnacio Antonio)
> One mentions the maternal grandmother as María Antonia Velasco, one
> as Antonia Belasquez and the other as Manuela Belasco
>
> I.6 OTHER INFORMATION
> They spent some time in Saltillo, Coahuila were they baptized one
> or probably two daughters, ca. 1812
> By 1816 they were residents of San Buenaventura, Coahuila were
> they had at least 5 more children
>
> II. WHAT I INFER, SUPPOSE AND HAVE DOUBTS WITH:
>
> II.1 Rafael Femate and Rafael Romo are one and the same person,
> changing his last name for the one of his paternal grandmother (see
> below)
>
> II.2 I haven’t been able to find his baptismal registry
>
> II.3 I haven’t found the marriage record for Ygnacio Femat and María
> Antonia Velasco
>
> II.4 From pedigree information in familysearch.org I have that a boy
> baptized on 12/July/1731 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes was given
> the name Ygnacio Antonio Eugenio Femat and his parents were Antonio
> Fermín Phemate and Mónica Vibar. The Información Matrimonial for
> Fermín Antonio Femat and Mónica Romo de Vivar (dated 17/Oct/1715 in
> Aguascalientes) states that his parents were Fermín Antonio Femat
> and Bárbara González Aguirre and her parents were Capitán Nicolás
> Romo de Vivar (deceased) and María Martínez de Villalobos (according
> to his signed petition) or María de Villalobos (according to her
> statement)
> It could be a case of homonymy but my guess is that this is the
> Ygnacio Femat I’m looking for, although I can’t be sure. There were
> apparently very few Femat’s at the time.
>
> III. WHAT I ASK OF YOU
>
> III.1 HELP!!!!
>
> III.2 Seriously now, if you have information on Rafael Femate’s baptism
> or previous marriages or on the marriage of Ygnacio Femat and
> Antonia Velasco I would be very thankful if you could share it with
> me
>
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
> Bernardo Menchaca Falcón
>

Dear Denise,

It turns out that I had studied your extended family a long time ago. A couple of distant cousins of years had contacted me asking for help in figuring out how their Romo ancestry connected with the Romo family from Aguascalientes and Jalisco. I was unable to prove the connection at that time. Many of those notes were stored away and didn't come to light until ten minutes ago when a light bulb finally turned on and I was able to connect these distant cousins of yours to you as they also descend from Manuel Romo and Maria Ignacia Rodriguez. I will try to contact your distant cousins as I do have old addresses. These Romos spread out through Coahuila and Texas.

Regards,
Rick A. Ricci

Dear Denise,
Emilio Fernandez Romo was a close cousin of yours, not a very distant cousin.. The great Grandmother that you descend from is his mother's sister, this would make him your second cousin, once removed. Emilio's mother married twice. Emilio was from the first marriage.

Thanks for providing another Romo line to my book,
Rick A. Ricci

Dear Bernardo,

I am very interested in the information that you provided that:

" the Somos Primos web site, el Teniente Coronel Palmerin and his wife have published information that proves that Emilio "El Indio" Fernandez was a descendant of Manuel Romo, Rafael Femat´s son"

Please send me a link or the date of the issue in somisprimos so that I can review and investigate the ancestral lines of Emilio Fernandez

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Armando,

I'm working on getting the links. It is only recently that I started doing so, being content at first to just obtain copy of the documents.

I'll be posting the info as soon as I have it ready.

Saludos,

BERNARDO MENCHACA

Denise,

After reading the info matrimonial, it seems that the name of the pretensa was Justa Rafaela, not Juana Rafaela.

Saludos,

BERNARDO MENCHACA

Dennise:

Great! what a find!

It would be great to find Manuel's baptism.

It seems Rafael was very unlucky, having burried many wives.

After Rafaela de Aguilar he married Joaquina de Salas (I'm looking for this info) and later Juana Maria Lopez (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15240-13052-7?cc=1804458&wc=…) and later Maria Urvana Lira.

Best regards,

BERNARDO MENCHACA

Hi Primo,

I believe it was a ranch near Jerez. There is also another one named Muerto, which is near Tlaltenango and Tepechitlan. This is according to the Cubas site: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm .

Rosalinda

Joseph

I know of a site known as El Muerto in Zacatecas. Whether this is the place you're inquiring about is another question. Look at the Ranchos Archive at our NR website and find the Map dated 1776 of Tlaltenango and surrounding region. Due east of Tepechitlan you'll find El Muerto close to Ojuelos. I found this useful years ago as I had this same question prior to finding this map. I had a relative born there and baptized in Tepechitlan. I could not find the location of this site until I located this map.

Googling El Muerto will point you to another El Muerto appearing close to Fresnillo, Zacatecas.

I hope this helps.

Gus Meza

This is one of the great mysteries of nuestrosranchos that we are all stuck on. To my knowledge no one has confirmed his parents. I have seen many trees online with the information you have posted but they are not confirmed at all. Another candidate you will see on this forum is Juan's father being Matheo Vazquez de Sandoval, also unconfirmed but he at least was in the area at the time period.

To search this forum, I suggest going to google and entering:

site:nuestrosranchos.org (search terms)

You do not include the parenthesis when adding your search terms.

Welcome aboard, Michael!

There has been a lot of great research in to the Araiza line on Nuestros Ranchos. Several years ago a group of us worked on finding Juan de Araiza y Medina's will. It is in Aguascalientes, and dated 7 Aug 1664. I started out writing this message to correct you on something, but I am ending up correcting myself. This is why we all need to keep looking at the primary sources.

The testimony regarding "un lugar de la Vizcaya," (literally "someplace in Biscay") is in the Ordination paperwork for Gabriel de Araiza from 1739, (in a document that is super interesting in its own right) and that my good friend Enrique Agraz found. In it, Christobal de Araiza y Medina states that his grandfather Juan de Araiza y Medina’s place of origin was “en los Reinos de Castilla en algún lugar de la Vizcaya.” This literally means “in the Kingdom of Castile, in someplace in Biscay. “

Therefore this document says that Gabriel’s great-grandfather Juan de Araiza y Medina I was from Vizcaya. I had set out to say that his is not strictly speaking true, since Juan de Araiza y Medina, I’s will said he was from Zacatecas, but I was wrong. I re-read the will, and all it says is says is that Juan was “vecino de Aguascalientes,” and that his father and mother were "vecinos de Zacatecas.” I had wrongly assumed that since Fernando and Maria had lived in Zacatecas, that meant Juan had been born in Zacatecas, but if you put both the will and the Ordination paperwork together, there is no contradiction.

This therefore means that Fernando de Araiza I, his wife Maria de Guzman, and their son Juan were all originally from Castile, in the province of Vizcaya (one of the Basque provinces) This makes them later arrivals in the new world than I had thought.

I will repost the link to the beginning of Gabriel’s ordination paperwork, which is long. The info on Vizcaya comes on images 251, 252, 253:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-D2KB-D?i=263&wc=3JW5-G…

Now, regarding the “Medina” part, I have not yet figured out why the Araizas used it for so long. But it does seem that it was a compound last name for at least four generations, since all of the following used it: Juan de Araiza y Medina I, Juan de Araiza y Medina II, Christobal de Araiza y Medina, Gabriel de Araiza y Medina. I descend from Christobal’s son Agustín, who apparently did not use the Medina last name.

Thanks for the great questions!

Sergio Sean Salés

I've seen the post you're referring to about Juan de Araiza y Medina being from Spain. I only know he was at one time a resident of Zacatecas, so I couldn't say for sure, but others may know more. As far as the use of Medina, it must've been an important ancestor. I've seen lots of instances where a compound surname included a second name that wasn't used by either of the immediate parents. Another example being Andres Martin de Sotomayor who passed on to his descendants the name Martin de Sotomayor even though he was the son of Andres Martin Camacho and Maria de la Ruelas, the Sotomayor coming from somewhere in his mother's past. Something similar is probably occurring with the Araiza y Medina.

Danny C. Alonso

Denise,

It's good to see you're back doing research. Interesting leads you and our fellow members have on the el Aguila surname.

I have now done some DNA analysis, Y and autosomal. My second and third closest autosomal matches are from descendants of Rafael Romo/Femat from Coahuila, currently living in Texas. We only know of one descendant of Rafael Romo and Rafaela del Aguila, Manuel, so mitochondrial DNA won't help researching this line. In my case Rafaela del Aguila is 7 generations from me, so probably just borderline for autosomal DNA.

Have you considered DNA testing?

Regards,

BMF

Here is their marriage record:

Name Juan De La Aguila
Spouse's Name Maria Lopez De Nava
Event Date 22 Feb 1724
Event Place Nuestra Señora De Belén, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Spouse's Father's Name Diego Lopez De Nava
Spouse's Mother's Name Teresa Sanchez
Race White
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8N8-G61 : 14 July 2015), Teresa Sanchez in entry for Juan De La Aguila and Maria Lopez De Nava, 22 Feb 1724; citing Nuestra Señora De Belén, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,410,794.

Maria Lopez de Nava has Lope Ruiz de Esparza as one of her ancestors. To learn more about Lope Ruiz de Esparza's ancestry, see the post on him where I identify his ancestors.

Rick A. Ricci

Denise

if Maria Lopez de Nava is the same as Maria Teresa Lopez de Nava, which she probably is, here is more of her ancestors:

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/López%20de%20Nava-Family-Tree-80

Danny C. Alonso

Denise

i found a Juan del Aguila, viudo de Juana de Ocampo married to a Da Maria Lopez de Nava in 1724 in Asientos, Aguascalientes. Da Maria Lopez de Nava is the daughter of Dn Diego Lopez de Nava and Da Theresa Sanchez Altamirano:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67YS-6NV

Danny C. Alonso

In case you don’t have this one, here are the IM and marriage record of Juan Antonio Villalpando cc Josepha Flores Narvaez:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XX87-P4Q?i=63&wc=M6QX-…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67YS-CQ4?i=169&wc=M6QX…

Manny Diez Hermosillo

I can't get my email to moderator to go thru so I can start a tree and start using GEDCOM database.

I can get into the GEDCOM database and see my tree.
I can only search my tree for last names.
I get the same error message.
Lucy

Hello Arturo:

It is working for me. Can I ask how I go about uploading a tree?

Thanks,
Vanessa

Hola-
La siguiente cita es para la partida de matrimonio de Francisco Javier Plascencia con Juana Fabiana de Álcala, quienes casaron el 15 de agosto de 1754, en Jalostotitlán. El es hijo de Antonia Plascencia y padre no conocido y ella hija de don Andrés de Álcala, ya difunto, y María Gómez.
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYZ1-T?cc=1874591&wc=3J4P-… : 28 June 2014), Jalostotitlán > Nuestra Señora de la Asunción > Matrimonios 1748-1768 > image 124 of 723; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

El árbol genealógico de Juana Fabiana se encuentra en el siguiente sitio:
https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/de%20Alcal%C3%A1-Family-Tree-78

Saludos
Austin Pérez

Hi Danny

I have so many branches that dead end at different Juana de Ávalos, including a Juana de Ávalos y Villaseñor that’s married to Francisco de Calderón sometime towards the end of the 1600’s in Fresnillo, Zacatecas. I’m inclined to agree with Rick’s theory. I don’t think Nicolás Martín is an indio with two names. Nicolás Martín was a common name both among the Martín de Sotomayor and among the Martín del Campo.

Chris

Another possibility is that Juana descends from this family and that is why we find De Avalos (Davalos) and Gomez in the family surnames. Just throwing out a family line from that area that has both De Avalos and Gomez.

9). Gonzalo de Avalos Tovar de Villaseñor and Antonia Hurtado de Mendoza

10) Gonzalo de Villaseñor Cervantes (b. Abt 1621) (m. 26/Sept/1650) and Juana Gomez de Espejo

11). Gonzalo Villaseñor Y Gomez (b. Abt 1660) ( buried 6/Aug/1733) and Teresa de Alva Bocanegra (m. March 1683, Aguascalientes)

12) Cristóbal Villaseñor y Alva ( bap. 7/Sept/1688 Aguascalientes) and Gertrudis Franco de Paredes.

Good luck,
R.A.Ricci

Just a guess from my observations of some patterns I've noticed that may or not apply to your case.

1. All other couples state either Indios or espanoles, except for that marriage.
-- my guess, Antonio Limon is espanol and Teresa Martin is India or mestiza. This is based on that I've seen most people with Limon in that time are Espanol and most Indios have two first names (Nicolas Martin) without a traditional Spanish surname.

2. I have noticed during this period Indios, mestizos, mulatos, and esclabos don't always have a traditional last name or pass it on to their children.

Thanks for sharing. This one is also good: http://www.iifilologicas.unam.mx/dicabenovo/

Thanks I know I will used it.

George,

Maria Micaela Romo de Vivar was buried 27 Mar 1815 in Rincon de Romos. Her burial record indicates that she was the daughter of José Romo de Vivar and María Martínez de Sotomayor [Libro 1 de Entierros, foja 18b] [Defunciones, 1811-1831 San José de Gracia, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes Image 15 / 63]

Al margen: "Rincon Da. Maria Micaela Romo de Vivar Española Adulta"

"En la Capilla del Rincón en veinte y siete de marzo de mil ochocientos y quince Yo el Br. Don Gordiano Alonzo como Ministro de ella y de licencia Parrochi di Sepultura Eclesiastica, adentro con Entierro humilde a Da. María Micaela Romo de Vivar, Española, de edad sesenta y dos años, casada que fue con D. Tomás Villalpando - hija legítima de D. José Romo de Vivar, y de Da. María Martínez de Sotomayor - murió de Hidropesia en esta hacienda - recibió los Sacramentos y para que conste lo firmamos. [ firma ] Joseph Eufrasio Carrillo [ firma ] Gordiano Alonzo de Hinojos

The parents of Thomas de Villalpando were Francisco Antonio de Villalpando and Petrona de la Candelaria Luévana Contreras.

BILL FIGUEROA

George, for Thomas Villalpando's marriage to Michaela Romo de Vibar see Aguascalientes, Asientos, Sra de Belen Mat 1767-1780, Image 25.

Don Thomas Ferrer de Villalpando, hijo lex de Don Francisco Antonio Villalpando y doña Petra de la Candelaria Luebana, difuntos by the date of this marriage, 12 Sep 1768.

Doña Maria Michaela Romo de Vibar, hija lex de Don Joseph Romo de Vibar y Doña Maria Martines de Zotomayor.

Gloria Delgado