I have been researching my Sierra family in and around Tenamaxtlan and
Ayutla as well as Autlan de Navarro.
I have Jose Vicente Sierra b1826 marrying Nicolasa Sanchez/s.
http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/El_Camino_Real_de_Tierra_Adentro/Managemen…
On pg 248 is a picture of old presidio of Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico
I copied and pasted this review. Has anyone read this book?
What a coincidence...I ordered it yesterday!
Also the reason I ordered it is because I hope there is a discussion in it regarding Pedro Placencia
I wonder if we are related? I started my research 8 generations and thus have not seen Pedro Placencia. My 8th generation is Ysidro Placencia in Cuquio, Jalisco, Mexico.
Thanks
Olga Torres Placencia
I do not have Ysidro in my treee but I have been researching Placencia in Cuquio. So has Manny Diez
Hello:
Do you have any of my relatives in your search?
Mother : Maria Placencia Torres
Grandparents: Filomeno Placencia (1896-1983) and Soledad Romero
GGGrand: Roman Placencia (Aug. 13, 1865) and Benigna Galvez
GGGGrand Jose Domingo Placencia (8-7-1816) and Monica Romero
GGGGGrand: Jose Rafael Placencia (11-2-1795) and Ynozencia Sanchis
GGGGGrand: Juan Ynasio Placencia (6-10-1764) and Monica Balentina Robles
GGGGGGrand Felis Fernando Placencia (6-8-1732) and Gertrudis Guerrero
GGGGGGGrand: Ysidro Placencia (approx. 1712) and Gertrudis Rodriguez
Please let me know if you have any additional information on any
of these.
Thank you,
Olga Torres Placencia
I do not have them in my tree however that does not mean that they don't tie in to mine at some point. Are all of these Placencia's in Cuquio?
I have Pedro de Placencia marrying Melchora de los Reyes Moscoso y Sandoval in Nochistlan in 1668. Their children were born, raised, married in the Cuquio records.
I have received the book. Hasn't quite helped me out yet but let me know if you would like a lookup
I truly appreciate all your help. I already feel you are my primo, whether or not we do end up being so.
Olga Torres Placencia
I would appreciate it if you would let me know if it is worth purchasing this book.
Thanks,
Olga
while this document isn't related to my family tree since my ancestors did not come from the area mentioned in document i felt like sharing it since it may be useful to others.
Hi Everyone.
Hello Mario,
Do you have any information on known uncles and aunts to help make the connection? I have seen records where the child was baptized a couple of years after being born. My wife's great grandfather was also ten years younger than everyone thought. The January 3 looks correct, just the year is off.
Here is Albino Gutierrez's marriage record
Albino Gutierrez
mentioned in the record of Albino Gutierrez and Amada Guerrero
Name: Albino Gutierrez
Birth Date: 1855
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Amada Guerrero
Spouse's Birth Date: 1856
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 23 Feb 1876
Event Place: Nuestra Señora De La Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name: Julian gutierrez
Mother's Name: Sabina Gutierrez
Spouse's Father's Name: Teodoro Guerrero
Spouse's Mother's Name: Tomasa Chavez
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60323-6 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 279306 ,
Julian Gutierrez and Sabina Gutierrez are the parents of Placisda Gutierrez
Placida was baptized the 14/Oct/1856 in Acahuales.
I had a little trouble reading the abuela paterna
Abuelos paternos: Jose Maria Gutierrez and Claudia Gomez or Gamez. It looks more like Gamez to me.
Abuelos maternos: Miguel Gutierrez and Maria de Los Santos Gomez
You can see the record here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-33734-47?cc=1874591&wc…
Julian Gutierres
mentioned in the record of Julian Gutierres and Savina Gutierres
Name: Julian Gutierres
Birth Date: 1821
Age: 32
Spouse's Name: Savina Gutierres
Spouse's Birth Date: 1833
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 12 Nov 1853
Event Place: San Francisco De Asís, Tepatitlán De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name: Jose Maria Gutierres
Mother's Name: Claudia Gomes
Spouse's Father's Name: Miguel Gutierres
Spouse's Mother's Name: Maria De Los Santos Gomes
Previous Wife's Name: Agapita Alvares
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60373-6 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 218526 , Reference ID: 771 ,
Name: Teodoro Guerrero
Birth Date: 1832
Age: 19
Spouse's Name: Tomasa Chaves
Spouse's Birth Date: 1833
Spouse's Age: 18
Event Date: 09 Jul 1851
Event Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name: Faustino Guerrero
Mother's Name: Patricia Ponce
Spouse's Father's Name: Jose Maria Chaves
Spouse's Mother's Name: Gregoria Losa
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60323-4 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 279304
Ma. Teodora Lomeli
mentioned in the record of Juan Jose Ponze and Ma. Teodora Lomeli
Name: Juan Jose Ponze
Spouse's Name: Ma. Teodora Lomeli
Event Date: 08 May 1799
Event Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60322-8 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 279299no Guerrero
Spouse's Name: Patricia Ponze
Event Date: 09 May 1827
Event Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name: Vicente Guerrero
Mother's Name: Juana Valdivia
Spouse's Father's Name: Juan Ponse
Spouse's Mother's Name: Teodora Lomelin
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60323-1 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 279301
Ma. Teodora Lomeli
mentioned in the record of Juan Jose Ponze and Ma. Teodora Lomeli
Name: Juan Jose Ponze
Spouse's Name: Ma. Teodora Lomeli
Event Date: 08 May 1799
Event Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60322-8 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 279299
Lucia Petronila Lomelin Rodrigues
Other information in the record of Lucia Petronila Lomelin Rodrigues
from Mexico Baptisms
Name: Lucia Petronila Lomelin Rodrigues
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 04 Jan 1750
Christening Place: NOCHISTLAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name: Vicente Ferrer De Lomelin
Mother's Name: Ysabel Rodrigues De Frias
Maria Teodora Lomeli is the daughter of Antonio Lomelin and Maria Josefa Rodriguez
Juan Jose Ponse is the son of Joaquin Ponse and Isabel Rodriguez
The record is # 341 of 375
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-26625-18?cc=1874591&wc…
Jph. Gerardo Rodrigz.
Spouse's Name: Maria Marcela De Robalcaba
Event Date: 25 Feb 1756
Event Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60625-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 226726
Name: Josse Maria Norato Gutierrez
Spouse's Name: Maria Claudia Gamez
Event Date: 31 Jan 1810
Event Place: Nuestra Señora De La Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name: Antonio Gutierrez
Mother's Name: Anna Maria Plasencia
Spouse's Father's Name: Lucas Gamez
Spouse's Mother's Name: Maria Gregoria Garzia
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60322-9 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 279300
Jose Miguel Gutierrez
mentioned in the record of Jose Miguel Gutierrez and Maria Santos Gomez
Name: Jose Miguel Gutierrez
Spouse's Name: Maria Santos Gomez
Event Date: 31 Dec 1828
Event Place: Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60373-2 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 218522 ,
Miguel is the Son of Isidro gutierrez and Ana Isidore carranza
Maria de Los Santos is the Daughter of Jose Maria Gomez and Bartola Macias
Josse Maria Gomez
mentioned in the record of Josse Maria Gomez and Bartola Macias
Name: Josse Maria Gomez
Spouse's Name: Bartola Macias
Event Date: 15 May 1796
Event Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60322-8 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 279299
You can see a record here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18560-15315-10?cc=1874591&wc…
There is probably a record of of dispensation that will provide more genealogical information for the following marriage.
Ysidro Gutierres
mentioned in the record of Paulin Carranza and Micaela Gutierres
Name: Ysidro Gutierres
Gender: Male
Wife Anita Carranza
Daughter Micaela Gutierres
Other information in the record of Paulin Carranza and Micaela Gutierres
from Mexico Marriages
Name: Paulin Carranza
Spouse's Name: Micaela Gutierres
Event Date: 07 Feb 1816
Event Place: Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name: Crecencio Carranza
Mother's Name: Deonicia Briceno
Spouse's Father's Name: Ysidro Gutierres
Spouse's Mother's Name: Anita Carranza
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60372-8 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 218519 ,
Lucas Ypolito Gamez
mentioned in the record of Lucas Ypolito Gamez and Maria Gregoria Garcia
Name: Lucas Ypolito Gamez
Spouse's Name: Maria Gregoria Garcia
Event Date: 13 Feb 1773
Event Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60322-6 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 279297
Jose Maria Norato Gutierres Placiencia
Mexico Baptisms
Name: Jose Maria Norato Gutierres Placiencia
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 Feb 1787
Christening Place: SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name: Antonio Gutierres
Mother's Name: Ana Maria Placiencia
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60329-1 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 279422
I do know that my great Grandfather (Jose Genovevo Gutierrez), born in Jalostotitlan January 3, 1884 (per civil registry record) and baptized January 6, 1884 (per church record) had a brother by the name of Francisco Gutierrez. I don't know when Francisco was born, yet. Of course, my Great Grandfather was supposedly born on January 3, 1872, but I have still have yet to find such a record to match the oral history.
Returning to his (Jose Genovevo's) brother, all I know so far is that Francisco Gutierrez had a daughter (Josefina) and I believe a son (Albino) that lived in Guadalajara. Josefina Gutierrez married a Salvador Leal, and last lived in Guadalajara.
I don't know about any other existing siblings for Jose Genovevo Gutierrez, but I am still investigating that.
I did want to add a comment of great appreciation for the quick and extensively detailed history you provided. Wow! I hope I get that quick at researching and synthesizing information. It truly has been an treasure finding more leads into my family history. Thank you!
--Mario
Francisco Gutierrez Guerrero, Jose Genovevo Gutierrez Guerrero 's brother:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening: 4 October 1877 Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico
residence: Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico
father: Albino Gutierrez
mother: Amada Guerrero
Padrinos son los abuelos paternos
Bautismos de hijos legitimos 1877-1885
Image 28 of 484
Or just press here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18688-107643-5?cc=1874591&wc…
Your welcome, I am glad I was able to help.
Please let me know how you research progresses
Thank you for the compliments,
Rick A Ricci
Thank you all who contributed to the discussion of Juan Gonzales Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales Florida. These gems bring people to life.
Hi Deedra,
I usually include their maternal surnames, separated by a hyphen (though, for the first two, I use the nicknames):
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo El Viejo
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo El Mozo
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Gonzalez Florida
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Munoz de Nava
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Etcetera
Works for me!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Hola a todos:
Primero que nada quiero agradecer a Katy Brecht Quesada por su valioso aporte publicando los índices de dispensas, ordenes y capellanías.
Primos,
yes some ordenes include marriage records.
I compiled a comprehensive list of the indexed films of the Guadalajara marriage dispensations to help track of which films have been indexed. The sources included are the following:
Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara by Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton (book) is no longer available to read online on family search
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/832240?availability=Family%20Hi…
Rosalinda, et al:
This has been a great enigma for me for some time. If you could help me locate the dispensations for 1742, I would be very grateful:
En ocho días del mes de enero de mil setecientos y cuarenta y dos en esta parroquia e iglesia casé y velé a Manuel de Santa María Covarrubias, hijo legítimo de Mathias Covarrubias y de Petra Saldaña, españoles vecinos de esta jurisdicción en el rincón de Totatiche con Petra de la Cruz Grano, hija legítima de Joseph Grano y de Efigenia Covarrubias españoles vecinos de dicho rincón a quienes el Señor ??? Vicario General de este obispado les concedió el beneficio de dispenza de parentesco de consangüinidad en tercer grado. Fueron padrinos Juan Antonio Ríos y Theresa Covarrubias.
Hi Primo!
There is another area located under the label "Archdiocese of Guadalajara, Miscellaneous Marriage Records." Have you looked at this other group of films?
Here is the link to the list of films under this section:
https://familysearch.org/search/image/viewer#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilyse…
These films haven't been indexed yet, although I believe Katy has looked through some of them. They appear to be single page scans, too. I've only looked through them quickly, but it may be that the missing dispensa can be located in one of those films.
Why these records are separate from the others, I couldn't tell you. If I hadn't been curious about them, I wouldn't have looked at them.
Rosalinda
the Archdiocese of Guadalajara is more organized than the guadalajara dispensas, and has no ordenes or capellenias in them and some marriage documents found in guadalajara dispensas aren't found in Archdiocese of Guadalajara.
here's part 6 of the 1836 collections
http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/post/65301879613/matrimonios-183…
edit: i just finished part 7 also
I had been doing something similar except with a single Excel worksheet and
it includes all films, whether they have been indexed or not. This way I
can look at the list for a certain date and tell if I need to search the
book myself or not. I just edited my worksheet to take out some personal
notes and I uploaded it to Dropbox. By using Dropbox anyone can access the
file without having to log in to NuestrosRanchos. It's the one called Index
of Dispensas.xlsx
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/diiby4pboy5x1yj/jJy3nmg6y2
Armando
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:36 PM, wrote:
> I compiled a comprehensive list of the indexed films of the Guadalajara
> marriage dispensations to help track of which films have been indexed. The
> sources included are the following:
>
> **Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara by Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton (book)
>
> ** http://www.**guadalajaradispensas.com/ by Claudia Casillas
>
> ** http://guadalajaradispensas.**tumblr.com/ by Katy Brecht
>
> There are three files; I created lists by year, source, and FHL film
> number. The link to the reference folder is the following:
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.**com/en/node/21881
> Within each file, I created hyperlinks for each indexed list of names and
> for each film link at familysearch.org. In the Word document, simply
> press "CTRL" and click on the link to go to the page.
>
> I couldn't find the link for one particular film, and another film
> location at Familysearch includes an incorrect film.
>
> Please let me know if there are any errors or questions, and I hope you
> find this helpful.
>
> Rosalinda
>
Belinda Alvarez
Hello Rosalinda. Others will have surely already thanked you for your great contribution by doing these master files,saving us all a lot of work. I have two questions: I am missing in the list the year 1873, do you know if there's any information for this year but yet to be indexed? I know that my great grandparents got a dispensation and were married in april 1873 in Arandas.
The other question is: do you know how much time in advance the dispensation had to be requested (that is, if the couple wanted to get married at a particular date)? Or: how long did such a process last, i.e. from the !Información matrimonial" till the date the marriage was officially authorized?
Thank you in advance for any help you can give or for refering to somebody who knows.
Belinda Alvarez
Hi Belinda,
What you see on the lists is the most up-to-date status of what has been indexed. Since 1873 isn't listed, it hasn't been indexed yet. However, you could search for the record yourself, by going page by page in the dispensas film. The link for 1873 is
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18519-203-9?cc=1874591&wc=M9… .
Typically, the films are not in chronological order, so this means you must go page by page, which is why indexing is so tedious. However, if you know they received a dispensation, then it is likely that it is in that film. I usually notice that the dispensation process started anywhere from 1 to 3 months before the marriage date, although this varies. However, as I said, since the films are out of order, you'll need to search the entire film.
Good luck in your search!
Rosalinda
just want to mention that i'm still working the 1836 collections.i've only finished index the first 5 parts. i'm working on part 6 right as of right now. might get it done later today or tomorrow
Katy,
As you add to your site, I'll update the lists. There really is a tremendous number of films. I was helping Claudia with her site. I decided that since there were so many films currently covered at three locations, it would be a good idea to keep a master list.
Rosalinda
"Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales" my Libary here in TEXAS has a copy but only to use in the Libary.
Is there anyway to view either a digital copy or at least an index with parents names for records in towns such as colotlan, jerez, tepetongo, huejucar, or tlaltnenango.
to add onto this post, here's a list of people i want to find baptism or marriage records for i can remember right off the bat.
baptisms:
-simona torres: most likely born in jerez at around 1847(a 'natural' child); parents are eduardo torres and juliana villegas
-seferina osuna: most likely born in jerez at around 1818; parents are jose neri & petra osuna escobar
- ursulo ceballos: most likely born in jerez(birth year uncertain but he got married in 1836);father is andres ceballos and mom is guadalupe caldera.
-refugio acuna: probably born between 1801-1805; mother is dolores acuna
marriages:
-francisco estevan villaneda (son of andres villaneda & micaela (alias candelaria) cabral) & maria felipa geronima (not sure if her last name is montes, dominguez, or sotelo. i hope to find their marriage record someday in hopes it will clear this issue up): in tepetongo before 1789.
-jesus arceo & maxima torre: tepetongo
-felix nestor arceo & ursina olivos: tepetongo
-martin enriquez & isabel ulloa : in either tlaltenango, colotlan, or jerez in early 1700's
-juan de la torre & clara chavez: same possible locations as in bullet point above, but marriage year is probably in 1680's
-juan marquez de los olivos & jsoefa baptista robalcava
-phelipe quezada & maria de la torre
-pedro velasco & antonia de la torre
-mateo carrillo & francisca de la torre
-faustino banuelos & isabel jacinta garcia
-celedonio fernandez & marcela pereria (alias castaneda)
-tomas de casas & bernarda rosales
Just to remind you the Colotlan territory they use to follow the name od the day Saint calendar.
Just to remind you the Colotlan territory they use to follow the name od the day Saint calendar.
I have seen many post regarding this family tree. I have 4 family tree branches connect to this family tree. Can we make a shared family tree. POsting all data about this tree.
does anyone have data on this family ancestors
I have baptism of Jesus Marquez Carlos and Josefa Marquez Carlos.
Fathers Eugenio Marquez and Refugio carlos the family search does not have records that far back i don't know how to search for data on them, please show me a good source for me to read and research if needed.
Baptism records show Grandparents to be Juan Marquez And Trinidad Enciso.
This baptism were in Colotlan, Jalisco Mexico records but may be from Zacatecas.
Please share any record you have on this and maybe show me a good source for me to reasearch since i don't know any other place other then Family Search to look for ancestors.
Thank you Primos
Primos,
Juan Marquez de los Olivos and Josefa Baptista de Rubalcaba (b. abt 1649) are my 8th GGPs.
I have almost 600 individuals with the surname Marquez / Marquez de los Olivos in my Joseph de Leon Family Tree posted here on Nuestros Ranchos in the GEDCOM tab.
This Tree is here to share with all of you.
Joseph de Leon
Eugenio Marquez
spouse: Refugio Carlos
child: José De Jesus Marquez
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07011-4 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 443689 , Reference ID: p 167 ,
child: Andrea Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443686 ,
child: Pablo Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443686 ,
child: Josefa Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-6 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443685 ,
child: Luiza Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-6 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443685 ,
child: Maria Segunda Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-5 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443684 ,
child: Julian Marquez Cárlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07011-0 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 443690 , Reference ID: v 40 p 132 ,
child: Tranquilino Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443686 ,
child: Pascual Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-8 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443687 ,
Eugenio Marquez
Mexico, Marriages, 1570-1950
marriage: 16 January 1861 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
spouse: Refugio Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60465-6 , System
Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443786 ,
Does anyone need to add this people in their family tree let me know so we use the same id number. Also i dont have money to get the digital copies from the film does anyone have any of this records willing to share via Family search tree?
felipe marquez's mom is gertrudis rincon. he also has a brother named francisco
can you post data please, documents that support the fact?
here's a document that states felipe's parents are jose marquez and gertrudis rincon
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-16245-9?cc=1874591&wc=…
the document below states that felipe has a brother named francisco
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-56320-83?cc=1874591&wc…
This person has 3 entries in family search. Please post any data you have on him. Such as id number, birth, baptism,marriage,death, and children perishes. So that we can add all data to one id number is family search and use that id with all attached perishes.
Eugenio Marquez Enciso (1844) (1º oo) & Ma del Refugio Carlos Guizar (13 Nov 1870 ) (hija de Demetria & Ma Santos) ( Momax, Zac.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDZD-CLS
Children
Jesus Marquez
LVQ6-3WR
Josefa Marques
LV7R-59N
Maria Luisa Marquez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18688-52665-86?cc=1874591&wc…
Grandparents:
Juan Marquez and Trinidad Enciso
Juan Carlos and Josefa Mayorga (2nd marriage)
Please share any more data you have in this. So we can add id number to Eugenio and add the perish records to it.
Hello primos/primas:
Where would someone be baptized if born in San Nicolas de los Garza,
Nuevo Leon, Mexico. I am looking for Martiate Garza (approx. 1850)
Thank you,
my grandparents Jose Trinidad Duran and Maris Trinidad Alvarez both from Chalchisco from around jalpa does any one know or might be link to any of them any info will help.
sorry its Maria Trinidad Alvarez my grandmas name not"maris"
Hi, I searched my tree and did not find those two names you mentioned above. I have many Duran ancestors, but from Nochistlan.
The only Duran/Alvarez marriage I have is Juan Alvarez and Maria Felicina Duran (my 3rd GGP). They were from Apozol and Nochistlan. My Duran line does go all the way to Simon Duran and Regina Aguayo which are mentioned in Capitulo 2 from the book mentioned.
If you can provide more info, like birth dates or parents, children, etc.. maybe someone else from Nuestros Ranchos can identify them. There are many members with Duran ancestors and maybe they can help.
Ruben
Interesting Katy and thank you for viewing the Diocesis De Guadalajara Archive. Your in 1762 and in the Monte Escobedo area?
Have you seen any information on:
Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709)/ Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735)
You had found the surname of Maria De La Candelaria which is Angon which was a big help for me. Any more information would be greatly appreciated.
Also looking for:
Joseph Madera(1684 - 1734) / Josepha Basquez? (Velasquez)
Blas Madera / Maria Theresa Avila
Those three generations were in the Mezquitic area before moving over to Huejuquilla
while i don't remember coming across those individuals, it's psosible there's a marriage record for at least one of those couples in the ordenes since a few ordenes collections have marriage records mixed within them.
That is not an actual "dispensa", its just a verification by a higher authority of the declarations. reason (although not stated on the document) is because the priest in the parish wasn't sure of the facts. The three witnesses are from the same area than the groom, (this is no bride witnesses) plus two of them are related. Usually the Priest would just send the declarations to the parish where the groom belongs to, then the other priest there could verify if the groom was in fact who he said and that he was eligible to marry. For some reason (I believe because it was out of the jurisdiction of Nueva Galicia) they did not send it to Samora but rather to Guadalajara.
I'm guessing it's because anytime a widow/widower remarries again, the Church needs to verify and document that the widow/widower is truly eligible to marry again under Church doctrine.
Joseph de Leon
I am in the Haplogroup G with the M 201 group
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gertrudis olague is related to manuel olague?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-5331-41?cc=1874591&wc=…
Gertrudis was abandoned at the house of Manuel de Olague who adopted her as his daughter.
Austin Perez
Hello i would like to invite you all to test your grandparent male or father male or the oldest member of your family.
There is also a DNA project at FTDNA for the states of Jalisco, Aguascalientes, and Zacatecas at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/nueva-galicia-dna/about
Getting autosomal tests at all of the companies helps to understand the process a bit better and see the strengths and weaknesses of each of them as well as find as many relatives as possible. 23andme is the best when it comes to ethnicity.
FTDNA is the best for determining the direct paternal and maternal lines and the Family Finder test can still be helpful even though not as accurate as 23andme.
None of the companies will help determine which indigenous tribe from Jalisco a person belongs to.
Sorry i just want to learn, i been told about this web page that states that they can identify the tribes. You seem to be an expert on the subject so please let me know your opinion.
http://www.dnatribes.com/sample-results/hispanic-sample-native-american…
I am trying to contact 23 and me to have then join the data base. And to include the results or offer the result for extra charge.
i'm not sure if dnatribes is that good of a dnatesting company
I have no idea how accurate they are for Mexican indigenous ancestry. From what I have seen of the other results they could easily cause confusion even though they state the following in an FAQ at http://www.dnatribes.com/faq.php
Your top matches reflect the populations in our database where your DNA profile is most common. A match with a particular ethnic or national population sample does not guarantee that you or a recent ancestor (parent or grandparent, for instance) are self-identified “members” of that ethnic group. However, a match does indicate a population where your combination of ancestry is common, which is most often due to shared ancestry with that population.
Another problem is that you need a lot of people to compare to and it doesn't seem they have sharing or a forum setup for that.
Why are you trying to contact 23andme? To join which database? To include results in which database? DNAtribes uses autosomal STR markers and 23andme uses autosomal SNP markers and they aren't compatible.
well i am not an expert on the subject. All i am interested is for them two share the raw data. And for 23 and me to show the results of the tribes company analysis in their system for a fee. 23 and me has a better set up to communicate with other people and have better labs to do raw data analysis. And since i am interested in the interpretation of the data by the tribes company.
In another words i am interested in 23 and me to sub contract tribes company to show their interpretation of the raw data in our 23 account for a fee.
They are both for-profit companies. They have no desire to share raw data even if the databases were compatible.
trying to find grandparents from this time SURNAMES Perez,Salas,Villarreal from Teocaltihillo and Duran,Cocolan,Lozano from Jalpa Zac.
Hi, try bottom link. I started thread back September 2014 asking the same question. Some members gave me great advice on where to look.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22433
Also, on Nuestros Ranchos website go under "Files" "Reference Materials" and half way down you will find Jalpa Marriages 1819-1827. It is in excel form and contains a lot of valuable information not found on family search. Save the Excel form into your computer and it has two tabs in the bottom "Parcial 80" and "Libro 81" You will find under "Libro 81"
I also uploaded copy of Jalpa Padron 1820 if you are interested. Under "Reference Material"
You got my attention when you mentioned "Duran", I was able to trace my Duran ancestors to the book GENEALOGIAS DE NOCHISTLAN ANTIGUO REINO DE LA NUEVA GALICIA
Good Luck
Ruben
Thanks Ruben im going to look at the information you have helped me with i cant thank you enough. my grandfather from my mom side Aniceto Duran, Guadalupe Duran ,Trinidad Duran. i also have Cocolan in my family i forgot to mention. well Ruben thanks again
how are you doing hope great hey i have a question you mentioned "You got my attention when you mentioned "Duran", I was able to trace my Duran ancestors to the book GENEALOGIAS DE NOCHISTLAN ANTIGUO REINO DE LA NUEVA GALICIA" I was going to ask how does your "Duran" Family look like I mean the names of your grandfathers still trying to find mine maybe mine link somewhere.I dont have access to the book "GENEALOGIAS DE NOCHISTLAN ANTIGUO REINO DE LA NUEVA GALICIA" at this time if you can help me out that would be great thanks
I Have been searching and searching for my grandmother,Enriqueta Medina Alva's birth record for a long time now, to no avail.She was born on April 24, 1880, Jerez, Zacatecas.
you should take a look in tepetongo or fresnillo records
Hi Raul,
I hope you don't mind if I ask a few questions to clarify so we can help you better.
1. Which records have you searched already? Both the church and civil records?
2. How many of the years did you search before and after the date?
3. Did your grandmother have any siblings, and have you found their records?
4. Was she born in Jerez the town, or was she born on one of the ranchos?
5. Have you searched knowing that her full name may not match exactly the name you've identified? Enriqueta may have been a middle name.
Once we know the answers to these questions, I think we should be able to give you better advice.
Rosalinda
Thank you Rosalinda for your response.I have tried from 1878-1886. Husband,Paulino Acuna Cristerna, was born in June 22, 1877,(Ojo Caliente,Jerez,or Chihuhahua,) so I have tried to figure out her age from this also. Her death record reported by her son, my uncle, indicates a 1883 year of birth; her marriage record of June 28,1899,Jerez,Image # 473-565 of 767 images, indicates that she was 19 years old, making her birth year, 1880. Her date of birth is April 24, 1880-1886.I figured she was 1 to 5 years younger than her husband. Records of her children's birth records also show different ages. Her children were born in Guanacevi, Durango; her mother,Amada Avila Medina, remarried a Marciano Camps Carlos and had several children in Guanacevi; I have searched in several cities listed under the Zacatecas state; her only other name would have been Queta, or Maria, as many in Mexico were named.Her father,Faustino Alva, died when he was thrown off a horse, before she was born.I am not familiar with any ranchos around the area. Again, thank you for the response and I keep praying that one day I will find it. Sometimes, I just click on a strange city under the Zacatecas state, in hopes of lucking our.Sincerely and Saludos, Raul Cristerna Luna
On Friday, July 10, 2015 9:16 PM, "rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com" wrote:
Hi Raul, I hope you don't mind if I ask a few questions to clarify so we can
help you better. 1. Which records have you searched already? Both the church
and civil records? 2. How many of the years did you search before and after
the date? 3. Did your grandmother have any siblings, and have you found their
records? 4. Was she born in Jerez the town, or was she born on one of the
ranchos? 5. Have you searched knowing that her full name may not match
exactly the name you've identified? Enriqueta may have been a middle name.
Once we know the answers to these questions, I think we should be able to
give you better advice. Rosalinda
Raul,
My first suggestion is to search the time period before what you have searched already, going page by page. While it may be generally true that the wives are younger than the husbands, that is not always the case. I would work my way backwards from the dates you've looked at, and the day and month may not be accurate-- have you looked at the records page by page, or just on that specific birthdate? Most of my great-grandparents and even grandparents had incorrect birthdates, and I've found records even years before/after what I expected. Even dates on headstones can be wrong.
I do see in the informacion matrimonial that Enriqueta was born in Jerez, but that may or may not be accurate as well. Furthermore, you may have to prepare yourself for the idea that her record may be missing altogether (this happened to one of my ancestors-- all his siblings were baptized in the same church, his marriage record lists his birthplace, etc., but I am unable to find his baptism certificate).
Have you found Enriqueta's parents' marriage record? Usually the children are born in the same area, but not always. It could be true that they moved a lot, so she could have been born in Jerez but baptized elsewhere-- sometimes the baby was a bit older when baptized, although that happened closer to the end of the 19th/start of the 20th centuries. This is my observation, though. Have you ever found Enriqueta's father's death record? If he died before her birth, that could give you an idea as to a date for her birth. Check the civil and church records for that.
These are just some suggestions; I wish you all the best luck.
Rosalinda
Rosalinda..Thanks for your response and the suggestions..I will begin anew my research..sometimes, one has to think outside the box as you have suggestioned..Thank You & Saludos, Raul
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:21 PM, "rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com" wrote:
Raul, My first suggestion is to search the time period before what you have
searched already, going page by page. While it may be generally true that the
wives are younger than the husbands, that is not always the case. I would
work my way backwards from the dates you've looked at, and the day and month
may not be accurate-- have you looked at the records page by page, or just on
that specific birthdate? Most of my great-grandparents and even grandparents
had incorrect birthdates, and I've found records even years before/after what
I expected. Even dates on headstones can be wrong. I do see in the
informacion matrimonial that Enriqueta was born in Jerez, but that may or may
not be accurate as well. Furthermore, you may have to prepare yourself for
the idea that her record may be missing altogether (this happened to one of
my ancestors-- all his siblings were baptized in the same church, his
marriage record lists his birthplace, etc., but I am unable to find his
baptism certificate). Have you found Enriqueta's parents' marriage record?
Usually the children are born in the same area, but not always. It could be
true that they moved a lot, so she could have been born in Jerez but baptized
elsewhere-- sometimes the baby was a bit older when baptized, although that
happened closer to the end of the 19th/start of the 20th centuries. This is
my observation, though. Have you ever found Enriqueta's father's death
record? If he died before her birth, that could give you an idea as to a date
for her birth. Check the civil and church records for that. These are just
some suggestions; I wish you all the best luck. Rosalinda
Are you aware of any ties to Tepetongo, Zacatecas? You may already have this..... J. Miguel Medina Avila born to Bruno Medina and Refugia de Avila - Tepetongo Zacatecas records May 10, 1840. Film 445159 Page 545. Could this be Amada's brother?
Check the records in colotlan jalisco.
There are lots of medina there she may be from there and marry in zacatecas is very common.
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…
Has anyone read "The