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Se llaman Joseph Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Josepha de Ochoa Garibayy Clemente de la Torre Ledesma y Catalina Franco de la Cueva.
Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: josejime@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:06:12 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MIGUEL GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO Y MARGARITA DE LA TORRE
>
> HOLA A TODOS LOS COMPAÑEROS DEL FORO ME GUSTARIA SABER EL NOMBRE DE LOS PADERES DE ESTOS DOS ANCESTROS MIOS QUE CASARON EN TEPATITLAN 12 DE MAYO DE 1729, MIL GRACIAS DE ANTEMANO

It sounds like San Miguel de los alba, Purificacion?
You send me the record I glad to help.
mendezdelcamino@live.com

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> From: paul.gomez@verizon.net
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:56:43 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Éstanzuela
>
> I am doing research in Aguascalientes. One my maternal ancestors,Joseph Andres Alonso, was born 30 November 1771, and baptized on 15 Dec 1771 in Estanzuela. I am having difficulty transcribing the name of the church from his sacramental record. Is the name of the church, "Sr. San Miguel de los Altas (?)" Purifdiccion" (?Y de la Villa de Aguas Calientes.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Paul Gomez
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Jose,

Creo que lo conoci en la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila el año 2008. No intercambiamos informacion porque no me imagine que tuviera ancestros con raices en Nochistlan Zacatecas.

Mi esposo es Juan Carrillo Olmos, Jauregui, Avelar, nacido en Nochistlan Zacatecas. Sus ancestros hasta donde se sabe hoy, con raices muy arraigadas en Nochistlan Zacatecas, de El Rancho, El Monte De los Duranes desde 1797.

Gracias por compartir su arbol y quizas algun dia se conecten usted y my esposo.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Carrillo de Teocaltiche, Jalisco

3era.Generacion, , nacio el 11 de diciembre de 1886 en
Gral. Cepeda, Coahuila y murio el 24 de marzo de 1957 en Monterrey, N.L;se caso el 26 de
noviembre de 1908 en Monterrey,N.L. con Maria Consuelo Lozano que nacio el 22 de octubre
de 1887 en Cadereita Jimenez, N.L. hl de Jose Librado Lozano de la Garza y de Maria del
Refugio de la Garza.

4a.Generacion,, nacio el 14 de septiembre de 1858 en saltillo,
coah.y murio el 17 de julio de 1953 en Monterrey,se caso el 01 de octubre de 1884 en
Monterrey con Dolores de la Soledad Quiroz,hl de Jose Francisco Quiroz Martinez y de
Josepha de la Soledad Rocha.

5a. Generacion,, bautizado el 29 de sept. de 1822
en Saltillo, se caso en segundas nupcias el 25 de abril de 1822 en Saltillo con Maria Rosa
de Jesus Morales que nacio el 30 de agosto de 1842 en Saltillo hl de Juan Atanasio Morales
y de Maria Francisca Sanchez.

6a. Generacion,, nacio el 22 de agosto
de 1786 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco, se caso el 21 de abril de 1810 en segundas nupcias con
Maria Dolores de la Peña hl de Jose Ygnacio de la Peña y de Maria de Jesus Garcia.

7a. Generacion, que nacio en Teocaltiche y se caso
el 06 de septiembre de 1780 en el mismo lugar con Barbara Josepha Ortiz, hl de Juan Joseph
Ortiz y de Ysidra Lugarda Rodriguez de Amaya.
8a. Generacion, , nacio en Teocaltiche y se
caso el 20 de febrero de 1737 en Nochistlan, Zacatecas con Ana de Jesus Rodriguez de
Amaya, hl de Marcos Rodriguez de Amaya y Juana Lopez de Elizalde.

9a. Generacion, , Nacio aprox, 1659 en
Teocaltiche, Jalisco y se caso en primeras nupcias con Juana Enriquez Calderon que nacio
en Nochistlan Zacatecas, hl de Pedro Enriquez y de Ysabel Calderon.

10. Generacion que nacio aprox. 1627 en Teocaltiche,
Jalisco y se caso el 22 de enero de 1648 en el mismo lugar con Agustina de las Roelas, del
mismo origen y vecindad, hl de Antonio Jimenez de Castaneda y de Jacinta de las Roelas.

11a. Generacion, nacio aprox. 1600 en Teocaltiche, Jalico
enjendro el hijo (Nicolas)anterior fuera de matrimonio con Josepha Bautista Lopez de
Rubalcava y posteriormente se caso con una hermana de Josepha llamada Maria Lopez de
Rubalcava viuda de Rebollo con la que procreo catorce hijos.

12a. Generacion,, se ignora su lugar de nacimiento, murio despues
de 1607, y se caso con Maria Alvarez hija del capitan Lorenzo Alvares y Agustina de Viera
estos se Velaron el 4 de marzo de 1585 en Santa Maria de los Lagos, Jalisco.

Nota: el capitan Alvaro Carrillo es probable que sea descendiente de uno de los primeros
pobladores de la primera Guadalajara como puede ser Juan Albornoz.

I was told about the mysterious light recently by some friends from
Zacatecas. They said it was from buried gold that people would try to hide.
I have no idea if it has scientific vailidity. They also told me about a
laborer who was working on someone's house who found a cache of gold inside
a wall that the owner didn't even know existed. The laborer would sneak gold
out a little at a time until it was all out. Supposedly the laborer managed
his money, from the gold, well but went crazy from the gas the gold would
release. Again, I have no idea if there is any validity to it to the gas.

Armando

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:21 AM, wrote:

> My family is from the Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico area.
>
> From the locals, I have often heard about mysterious flares of light that
>> just suddenly appear out of the gound at night in the country side.
>>
>
> What could they really be? Signs of natural gas deposts in the ground or
> oil?
>
> And another folklore by the locals is the saying that there used to be a
> race of giants. I guess from the discovery of giant bones that wash up when
> there are heavy rains.
>
>

I actually read about such events a month ago, but only now have the time to post up what I have read about.

It seems that, Apache raids were a common occurance around the time of Mexico's war for independence. This is because the Comanche's, since the 18th century had been gradually pushing the Apache's out of their own lands. With the presidial troops few in number, it was a common occurance for Apache and other Native Americans from the southwest to push into southern Chihuahua and into Durango. I forget when, but I think it was in the 1840's when bands of Native Americans reached as far south as the city of Zacatecas. What stopped these raids, at least temporarily, was the Mexican-American war when the Apache's and other tribes were reluctant to fight the American army for one reason or another.
The raids resumed again once the war ended, so it is possible that in the 1850's, Apache and other tribes pushed back into Zacatecas.

My family was from the district of Jerez and in a recording made by my grandfathers sister she mentions that her grandparents Juan Jose Castanon and Zeferina Mejia were killed by Indians in Recodo, district of Jerez. This occured between 1850 and 1860 so apparently there were still Indian uprisings in the area during that time period. No mention was made of what tribe or band the Indians were.

thanks for sharing your story.
Linda Castanon-Long

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Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 11:34:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apaches in Zacatecas in 1854?

I was reading information about the Haciendas of the Zacatecas region.  And I was reading this link about the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

It describes about several Haciendas - San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico,  Hacienda de las Viboras - does not say location of that Hacienda....but years ago one time I scrolled through microfilm of Xerez, Zacatecas the year 1620, defuntos and saw that name "Hacienda De Las Viboras"  in Xerez, Zacatecas. So when I was reading the link recently and again saw the name Hacienda De Las Viboras, I already knew it's location.

Now, in the link it mentions Benito Del Hoyo and that he was killed by Apaches from the (North).  So that would mean that the Apaches of the USA were fleeing the USA cavalary, crossed into Mexico and even got as far to Zacatecas? 
Also, by coincidence, when I was scrolling through defunto records of Huejuquilla El Alto, from the 1800's, I saw a defunto of the Del Hoyo's.  Benito Del Hoyo and his sons were killed by "Ladrones" as it was recored in the defunto records.  It stuck to my mind because of how a father and his sons were killed by Ladrones.

Now when I read the link and it says that Benito Del Hoyo and his sons were killed by Apaches in 1854, I began to wonder if that is the same person that I saw in the archives years ago?

Here is the link that you can read:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

And I made a picture of the paragraph where I found a reference to the Apaches:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9528/82300966.jpg

Hi, I found out some more information.
My great grandmother's name is Antonia Carillo Madera and she was married to Jesus (Juan de Jesus) Sanchez Alvarez... or somethign like that.

They had several children.. Manuel, Rafael, Zeferina, Romana, Teresa (1936)...

Does any of this sound familiar or can you direct me to where I can search myself.

Thank you!
Tania Garcia

Hi,

I also have the surname Madera in my blood line and from this pueblo too.
Ancestory.com is down at the moment and I can't give you the exact names.

I do know that the Madera came from my grandmother's side and I want to say her mother's name was Antonia. I will come back and post more information as I get it.

Thank you!

Tania Garcia

Madera_32,

One last thing. Yesterday I was reviewing material again from Mezquitic and kept on running into Madera entries. The earliest Madera was Antonio Madera from 1685. They intermarried heavily with the Guzman, Banuelos and Robles families, amongst others. My Felgueres ancestors married into the same group. I must have run into a lot of Maderas since at one point in my research, I noted that the Madera family in the 1715-1720 time frame was from "Minillas." We have discussed Minillas before in this website. There were many Minillas in the past and now they reportedly don't exist because of their depleted minerals. At least, you might get a hint of what kind of business they were in.

I have one more comment about all these families which I will make later in another topic page.

Ed

Regarding

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Dear Mr. Madera,

Since you are from Huejuquilla El Alto, are you familiar with a ranch called Hacienda de San Antonio (de Padua)? I found it in the old records of either Huejuquilla or Mesquitic. The ranch was owned by Guillermo Duval del Valle (from Cadiz) and Gertrudis de los Santos Coy (from Saltillo originally) ~1760-1770 time frame. Is it still there? Is it in Huejuquilla or Valparaiso? Do you now any history of it.

Ed

I too have family from the areas you describe. For what it is worth, I have repeatedly found the Madera family not only in Huejuquilla el Alto but in the nearby town of Mezquitic, Jalisco. The marriages and baptisms of the Maderas in Mezquitic date back to at least 1686 (Mormon film numbers 1164940 and 1164952). I suspect this is the same family since these towns were all frontier land back then. The elite (well-to-do mestizos, criollos, and the rare peninsular) all intermarried; distance was not a major issue but "class" was. It was preferable to marry a non-NAI. The ultimate prize for a criollo family was to marry a peninsular but it was OK to marry another criollo or well-to-do mestizo (re-labeled "espanol"), near as I can figure from my review of centuries of records in the local area and books that I have read. Bottom line: I think we are talking about the same Madera family, with branches thereof. Also by 1686, at least one of the Madera family members, Blas Madera, son of Joseph Madera and Josepha Basquez, was labeled as mestizo. He married into the espanol Avila family: wife Maria Theresa Avila, daughter of Miguel de Avila and Gertrudis de Robles, both "espanoles." The Robles and Madera family continued to intermarry for at least a century or two.

My Felgueres ancestors connected with Huejuquilla el Alto through a series of marriages in the mid-1750's. (I am from an illegitimate line that dates back to 1890). Bottom line here is that the first Felgueres in that area was Domingo Antonio Felgueres, who married Juana Bautista Martinez in 1794. Domingo was lieutenant governor of Mesqutic and came from Villaviciosa, Asturias, not far from the Oviedo, Asturias. I have visited Villaviciosa and took a day trip to Oviedo, the major city in the area and the city that you discuss. Furthermore, Oviedo has a history of mining. I am not sure about the Oviedo connection with the Villaciosa-based Felgueres, but the Felgueroso families and Felguera families are wealthy miners in the Oviedo area. The Dura Felguera company was started by a male Dura, who was an "indiano." An "indiano" is a person who went to the Americas, made a fortune, and came back to Asturias to live or better yet set up business that further prospered in Asturias. The Felgueres (later changed Felguerez) owned the haciendas in Valparaiso: del Valle, San Agustin del Vergel, Pena Blanca, El Tejujan, maybe others, in the late 1800's. The Felguerez family lost it all of course with the Mexican Revolution and the Cristeros wars.

With respect to your last comment about the Celtic culture, I need to tell you about a very nice lunch I had in Villaviciosa, Asturias a few years ago. The restaurant was referred to us by the locals, and that particular day we were one of the few costumers. Enjoying the afternoon and food, we ordered a nice wine and listened to the music. I could not believe my ears. I heard Celtic (Irish) music. I called over the waitress, who was also the owner of the establishment given the scarcity of customers, and asked her what kind of music was that!! She simply sighed and said, "It is our music. It is the music of old days, which the newer generations do not understand." The restaurant was situated in an apple orchard; the food, the wine, and the music are engraved in my memory. Yes, the area has strong Celtic roots, as does much of Northern Spain, where many of our ancestors came from. (The Basques and the Germans, as I have mentioned before in other comments, were brought to Mexico by the Spanish for their mining expertise).

Ed

I know you are researching Madera but what's your name?

I really enjoyed what you shared and look forward to seeing more from you, thank you so much for sharing what you've learned.  It reminded me we research more than surnames, we are reclaiming a history of our peoples in Mexico..

thank you again.. whoever you are!
Linda in Marietta

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Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 12:21:51 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MADERA Family history of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Hi, I am a new member.  I am research my family history.  Madera.  We are
from Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.  A lot of Madera's there. But
there are a number of ranchos surrounding the pueblo.  Three Rancho
Maderas: 
San Jose De Maderas
Bajio de Maderas
Rincon De Maderas

These ranchos are very old.  As I scrolled through rolls of films found
out that my Madera family was originally at Rincon de Maderas (Rancho de
Maderas) in the 1700's.  Then in 1798, found birth of my great great
grandfather at a nearby rancho called, rancho Ximulco.  Seems that my
ancestors moved from Rancho Rincon de Madera to Rancho Ximulco.  And we
have been at Rancho Jimulco ever since.

But I am trying to research what part of Europe we originally came from.  I know that our pueblo, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico was founded on
March 23, 1573.  The surrounding ranchos were in existence at the time. And everyone was baptized at Parroquia de San Diego which is in the pueblo,
Huejuquilla El Alto.

My hunch is that we came from two places in Europe.  Isla Madeira,
Portugal and Oviedo, Asturias, Espana.

Due to the discovery of silver in Zacatecas which is right there, since
our pueblo is on the border of northern Jalisco and Zacatecas........many
people from europe came to this area for the discovery of silver and to get
land grants (a rancho).  Also note that there are a large number of indigenous Huichole that live in the area.  So there was intermarrying with the Huicholes.

I found a map on the internet showing the routes that ships took from
Europe to Mexico.  The spanish vessels embarked from Sevilla,
Spain.......traveled throught the islands of Portugal such as Azores,
Madeira and then through the Canary Islands.....before heading off to the
carribean islands such as Cuba and the Dominican Republic......then with
final destination to Veracruz, Mexico....

> From there people traveled to Zacatecas and that is how we are in Huejuquilla El Alto there since the late 1500's.

The first Madera that was on the passenger list to the Indies (1500's) was Rodrigo
Madera (from Isla Madiera)...that landed in Dominican Republic.  Don't
think I am descended from him since my family is in Mexico.

Also another clue is that our church, "Sanctuario Del Divino Preso" at
Huejuquilla El Alto, has a similar resemblance to the large church of San
Salvador in Oviedo, Asturias, Spain.  I found out there are a lot of people
with last name Madera at Oviedo.

Note:  When silver was discovered in Zacatecas.  The silver went two
directions.  Back to Spain with ships embarking from Veracruz, Mexico and...........to China with ships embarking from Acalpulco on the Manila
Galleons that sailed through the phillipines and on to China in the trade
of mexican silver for chinese porcelain and spices.

But also with the discovery of silver in Zacatecas.  There are a few
spices and herbs that grow naturally in our area of Huejuquilla El Alto,
Jalisco such as "Clavos"  and other herbs that we still use in our
traditional foods.  I am sure Spain collected those and used those to
trade with back in those days...

Another clue that I found is, "El Santo Nino De Atocha."  By looking at the clothing you can get a clue as to what part of Europe we could have came from.

"El Santo Nino De Atocha"  has Celtic Clothing, A Pilgrimage staff, water bottle and the Clam shell on the side of the chest.  I investigated those items and found out that the Clam Shell is the "Saint James Clam Shell" of Santiago De Compostela, Galicia, Espana.  If you look closely at this youtube video, you can see several of the items that is on "El Santo Nino De Atocha" of Fresnillo, Zacatecas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnqpoELmDbM&feature=related

Galicia, Spain has Celtic influence which could explain the european features such as people with green eyes and blonde hair that our in are area in Mexico.  That is another clue as to where some of the people in our area came from way back during precolombian times.

Saint James was an apostle of Jesus that traveled to Spain.  Saint James and the apostles were suppose to have been at Capernaum, Israel

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I received the same email last May 19, 2010 at 11:20 am. Do not click on
the link. The sender was VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL castrosivicente@hotmail.com.
I suppose his real name is Vicente Castro S. Has anyone had correspondence
with this individual?

Bill Figueroa

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I hope the webmaster can put a stop to this send out as it keeps coming back
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Thanks,
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Hello Alicia,
What a beautiful story. It's funny that we Americans have something so valuable to share with our families in Mexico. I had a similar thing happen to me. I was at my father's house, and he asked me who were his paternal grandmother's parents. Since he lost his mother at the age of 3, he never really knew this. He told me, "Luz asked me the other day, and I didn't know." I promptly told him, and he picked up the phone. He began talking with someone in Spanish who I thought was my sister, Lucy aka Ma de la Luz. Then he handed me the phone. There was a woman speaking Spanish on the line who I then realized was his older sister, Luz in Mexico. I was so touched that here the elders in the family were coming to me for information. A few weeks ago, my first cousin, Guero came for a visit from Aguascalientes. He told me that he had seen some of my charts that I had given his mother. He told me that she doesn't leave them out of her sight. I told him that I would s
end him his own. It is always touching when one's hard work is appreciated and valued. Guess I had better get going and send them those charts, huh?
Irma Gomez Gtz
N. California

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Why we do Genealogical Research (guadalupe jaime)

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--- On Sat, 5/8/10, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why we do Genealogical Research
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 12:28 PM

Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,

I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.

This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.

I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.

My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!

Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.

When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured

When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.

Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

Hi Alicia,
 
         thank you for sharing that wonderful story with us.As I was reading it I realize that the person you were talking about is somehow related to me through the ruiz family from Jalpa,Zacatecas.I was wondering if you have his info so that we may touch ground in our research.
 
J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez
--- On Sat, 5/8/10, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why we do Genealogical Research
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 12:28 PM

Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,

I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.

This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.

I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.

My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!

Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.

When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured

When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.

Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

Alicia--

I too have had many experiences like that with other descendants of my ancestors who live in the Southwest and California. I don't have any relations in Mexico, except Salvador and one other who are very distant---we share common ancestors from 10-15 generations ago.

What I love about those who contact me after seeing my information in Ancestry.com and other sites, is that I can help them correct their information and add to it, since most are not yet or might not ever be inclined to sit for hours viewing indexes and images, etc.

Ancestry.com is luring people who find it entertaining to only browse other people's trees and pick up information from there that might not really be about their particular ancestors. I tell them about the FHC's and the various Archives in the US, but I guess they are too busy, or like you said, they don't really care that much to do research, but they appreciate knowing what I find about their ancestors.

What they do for me in return is send me photos and names of older relatives, which I appreciate so much, and in researching their family, I find many connections to several of my trees and thus break down some brick walls or add to my trees.

Yes, researching and sharing is so worthwhile.

Thanks for sharing your feel good story.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

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> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:28:10 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why we do Genealogical Research
>
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,
>
> I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.
>
> This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.
>
> I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.
>
> My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!
>
> Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.
>
> When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured
>
> When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
> I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.
>
> Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
>

Did you tell your grandson HOW he is connected to Mr. Ruiz? Is your
mother still alive, and if she is, were you able to share this with her?

Last week I spoke to a first cousin's young daughter in Canada. I've
never met my cousin Louise, much less her daughter, Chelsea. We're
related on my mother (who was from Scotland)'s side. I've met
Louise's older brother and sisters. My mother took me and my older
sister, Lizzie, to Canada the last time when I was 6 and Lizzie was
7(and I had my 7th and Lizzie her 8th birthday there. I was able to
share with Chelsea a lot of oral history (for example, how even though
I have a Spanish first name, I am named after HER grandmother (my
mother's sister) who was named after HER own grandmother and who was
named after HER grandmother. I also sent her photographs of me and my
three sisters and a simplified linear chart showing in-common family
members and details that she'd never known about. But I also shared
information on my father's family although Chelsea has no connection
to it. It's a joy to share family history no matter who it is. Happy
Mother's Day, everyone! Marge:)

On May 8, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,

I just had to share this feel good story with those who would
understand.

This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast
and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone
speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he
immediately passed it to me.

I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say
yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My
mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy
Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation
is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas
and I'm calling to thank you.

My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz
from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we
related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He
gave a good answer!!

Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno
Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to
Jalpa to visit his family.

When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my
research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,
(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about
the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He
shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured

When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the
Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been
wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice
cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all
this research and for providing it to him and the family.
I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts,
cousins and uncles some day soon.

Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning
their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and
not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so
worthwhile.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

Great Story! Re-emphazies for me the importance of Family History. Thank you for sharing, Alicia.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo
Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 10:28:10
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why we do Genealogical Research

Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,

I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.

This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.

I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.

My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!

Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.

When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured

When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.

Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

Alicia - thank you so much for sharing this story - I brought tears to my
eyes.

-Angelina-

What a great and inspiring story. We just never know the impact we are
making on those we share our roots with.

thanks Alicia for what you are doing for your family and what you are
doing for the nuestrosranchos.org group as our premiere volunteer
fighting spam from reaching our inboxes.

thanks,

joseph

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Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,
>
> I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.
>
> This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.
>
> I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.
>
> My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!
>
> Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.
>
> When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured
>
> When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
> I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.
>
> Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif

Maria, I have had great results with the following:
 
I secured a copy of the form "Request for Photocopies-Census Records, Book, Microfilm, or Microfiche. It is available at Family Search,org. However, last week I was unable to find the form, so I just did a Google Search..and there it appeared.
 
Since you have the batch and film numbers, all you need to do is fill out the form and  send $2.00 USD, per copy. For the most part, I have received copies of the original document within two weeks.
 
I was told that their are many volunteers at the Family History Center, Photo duplication Unit, in Salt Lake, who respond to such request.
 
Helyn
 
 
 

--- On Tue, 5/18/10, maria.cortes@trin.net wrote:

From: maria.cortes@trin.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 7:27 AM

I need help.  The library where i go to get films will be unavalible for a couple of weeks I think they are remodeling not sure.  It will be while before I can order and before my records could get here.

Can anyone help me get two marriage recods that I really need.  Payment aragements can me made I just can not wait that long since I have the info of the films ready.
they are

Pomposo Ortiz and Apolonia Reyes
Marriage Oct 15- 1878
Batch #--M602507
Source#--640139
Ojuelos de Jalisco Mexico marriage dates 1867-1883

Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez
Marriage Feb- 24- 1840
Batch #--M608934
Source #--644414
San Felipe Guanajuato  marriage dates 1836-1843

Maria, I have had great results with the following:
 
I secured a copy of the form "Request for Photocopies-Census Records, Book, Microfilm, or Microfiche. It is available at Family Search,org. However, last week I was unable to find the form, so I just did a Google Search..and there it appeared.
 
Since you have the batch and film numbers, all you need to do is fill out the form and  send $2.00 USD, per copy. For the most part, I have received copies of the original document within two weeks.
 
I was told that their are many volunteers at the Family History Center, Photo duplication Unit, in Salt Lake, who respond to such request.
 
Helyn
 
 
 

--- On Tue, 5/18/10, maria.cortes@trin.net wrote:

From: maria.cortes@trin.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 7:27 AM

I need help.  The library where i go to get films will be unavalible for a couple of weeks I think they are remodeling not sure.  It will be while before I can order and before my records could get here.

Can anyone help me get two marriage recods that I really need.  Payment aragements can me made I just can not wait that long since I have the info of the films ready.
they are

Pomposo Ortiz and Apolonia Reyes
Marriage Oct 15- 1878
Batch #--M602507
Source#--640139
Ojuelos de Jalisco Mexico marriage dates 1867-1883

Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez
Marriage Feb- 24- 1840
Batch #--M608934
Source #--644414
San Felipe Guanajuato  marriage dates 1836-1843

Emily

how do you ask for a photoduplication service at FHC? thanks Lety R

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I don't know if you have looked at the información matrimonial for Juan and
Nicolasa. If you have not, then I would if I was in your shoes. It might
show who their parents were.
Información matrimonial 1860-1865 FHL INTL Film
639062

Additionally you might want to look at the christening records for all of
the children to show if the maternal and paternal grandparents are listed.
Make sure to look in the ecclesiastical and civil records. Some of the
children were born in the time when the civil records are available.
Ynocencia Tejeda
Enrriquez
[image: Four Stars] 30 December 1868
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico

Juan Tejeda
Nicolasa Enriquez
Mauricia Tejeda
Enriquez
[image: Four Stars] 30 September 1866
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Juan Tejeda
Nicolasa Enriquez
Maria Refugio Tejeda
Enrriquez
[image: Four Stars] 5 November 1871
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico

Juan Tejeda
Nicolasa Enriquez
Ynocencia Tejeda
[image: Four Stars] 30 December 1868
Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Juan Tejeda
Nicolasa Enrriquez
Marcelino Tejeda
Enriques
[image: Four Stars] 3 June 1874
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico

Juan Tejeda
Nicolasa Enriques
Margarita Tejeda
[image: Four Stars] 23 February 1881
Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Juan Tejeda
Nicolasa Henrriquez
Francisca Tejeda
[image: Four Stars] 31 January 1879
Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Juan Tejeda
Nicolaza Henriquez

Saludos desde Lago Salado (Salt Lake City, Utah),
Eduardo H Seoane
EduardoHSeoane@gmail.com