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Josefa Beas y Juan Thadeo Salas

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Varios meses en el pasado, hubo una consulta acerca Josefa Beas, y
Juan Thadeo Salas. Ahora he encontrado la línea en mi base de datos paterna.

Transcription Project (Phase One) now On!, La Fase uno del Proyecto de transcripcion de documentos esta listo!

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A todos los que me han mostrado su interes en ayudar con la transcripcion de Testamentos y Documentos antiguos de Aguascalientes les aviso que ya lo pueden accesar.

La direccion es al siguiente:

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Transcription Project (Phase One) now On!, La Fase uno del Proy

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Solo para agradecerles a todos los voluntarios en este proyecto que espero
y sea de ayuda al grupo completo.

El dia de hoy recibi algunos de los primeros resultados y no quize dejar
pasar la ocasion para hacer una mencion especial al trabajo que estan
realizando Tanto Bill Figueroa como Jaime R. alvarado, claro esto sin
menospreciar la ayuda de los demas, pero solo queria poner enfasis en estos
2 trabajos por que me parece puntual citarlos como punto de referencia para
los demas voluntarios, los invito a que vean el trabajo de ellos en las
ligas a las transcripciones de los testamentos numero 257 por Bill
(Simplemente Excelente) y el numero 106 Por Jaime en el indice del proyecto

http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/Indices/Fondo_Notarial/Tes…

Quiero ademas recordarles que lo mejor seria hacer nuestra aportacion en un
formato Verbatim, es decir lo mas fiel posible a como esta en el documento,
esto con el fin de evitar el tomar por hecho las sugerencias de vocabulario
de algunos coolaboradores, lo cual nos
podria traer problemas de fidelidad en las consultas en un futuro, una vez
mas los invito a que vean estos trabajos y que ojala y nos sirvan como punto
de partida para lograr tener esta herramienta tan poderosa para todos
nosotros en la mejor calidad posible

Gracias y seguimos en contacto!!!

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Transcription Project (Phase One) now On!,La
Fase uno del Proyecto de transcripcion de documentos esta listo!

> A todos los que me han mostrado su interes en ayudar con la transcripcion
> de Testamentos y Documentos antiguos de Aguascalientes les aviso que ya lo
> pueden accesar.
>
> La direccion es al siguiente:
>
> http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/
>
> Suerte!
>
> To all the members who have showed interest in this project, I'd like to
> let you know that the index of Testaments and other documents has been
> uploaded and is ready to start. the link is as follows:
>
> http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/
>
> Good Luck!
>
>

Transcription Project (Phase One) now On!, La Fase uno del Proy

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Tambien quiero ayudar, aver en unos de estos dias tengo tiempo libre! Ya recibe tu registro que te prometi sobre tusRomo de la Chona, se quien eran los padres de Nepomuceno.
Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:46:08 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Transcription Project (Phase One) now On!, La Fase uno del Proyecto de transcripcion de documentos esta listo!
>
>
> Solo para agradecerles a todos los voluntarios en este proyecto que espero
> y sea de ayuda al grupo completo.
>
> El dia de hoy recibi algunos de los primeros resultados y no quize dejar
> pasar la ocasion para hacer una mencion especial al trabajo que estan
> realizando Tanto Bill Figueroa como Jaime R. alvarado, claro esto sin
> menospreciar la ayuda de los demas, pero solo queria poner enfasis en estos
> 2 trabajos por que me parece puntual citarlos como punto de referencia para
> los demas voluntarios, los invito a que vean el trabajo de ellos en las
> ligas a las transcripciones de los testamentos numero 257 por Bill
> (Simplemente Excelente) y el numero 106 Por Jaime en el indice del proyecto
>
> http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/Indices/Fondo_Notarial/Tes…
>
>
> Quiero ademas recordarles que lo mejor seria hacer nuestra aportacion en un
> formato Verbatim, es decir lo mas fiel posible a como esta en el documento,
> esto con el fin de evitar el tomar por hecho las sugerencias de vocabulario
> de algunos coolaboradores, lo cual nos
> podria traer problemas de fidelidad en las consultas en un futuro, una vez
> mas los invito a que vean estos trabajos y que ojala y nos sirvan como punto
> de partida para lograr tener esta herramienta tan poderosa para todos
> nosotros en la mejor calidad posible
>
> Gracias y seguimos en contacto!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From:
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:54 PM
> To:
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Transcription Project (Phase One) now On!,La
> Fase uno del Proyecto de transcripcion de documentos esta listo!
>
> > A todos los que me han mostrado su interes en ayudar con la transcripcion
> > de Testamentos y Documentos antiguos de Aguascalientes les aviso que ya lo
> > pueden accesar.
> >
> > La direccion es al siguiente:
> >
> > http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/
> >
> > Suerte!
> >
> > To all the members who have showed interest in this project, I'd like to
> > let you know that the index of Testaments and other documents has been
> > uploaded and is ready to start. the link is as follows:
> >
> > http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> >
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Update. ,,,,,,Actualizacion,,,

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There has been an update on the page, now we have the new documents and they can be downloaded.
http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/

Thanks to the new voluntaries!!

keep in touch.

La pagina ha sido actualizada con los nuevos documentos que han hecho favor de transcribir.. Saludos y gracias a los nuevos voluntarios.

http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/

Seguimos en contacto.

Two books in Maria's posession

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> Hello Maria,
Do the two volumes that you have mention the Romero, de la Torre,
Pena, and Camarena families? Is the book written in Spanish only?

Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

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In 1591, 400 families left Tlaxcala to colonize the northern lands of the Chichimecas. Some of them reached Zacatecas. I believe some of them went north to New Mexico with Juan de Onate in 1598.

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Onate Expedition

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I am not sure if you ever found this website, but I found it very helpful to anyone who can trace their lineage this far back into New Spain's early history.
The following is a link to the list of men who were a part of Don Juan de Onate's original expedition and subsequent re-enforcements.

http://garyfelix.tripod.com/index5E.htm

Onate Expedition

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Yes, I have known about it for several years now. I used to e-mail back and forth with Gary and he was very helpful. My Olague ancestors are on his Onate lists, as well as my Marquez ancestors.

One thing I want to do one of these days is to send in my DNA for Gary's DNA of Mexico project. Did you read abut that?

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: texn_4_ever@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:48:04 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Onate Expedition
>
> I am not sure if you ever found this website, but I found it very helpful to anyone who can trace their lineage this far back into New Spain's early history.
> The following is a link to the list of men who were a part of Don Juan de Onate's original expedition and subsequent re-enforcements.
>
> http://garyfelix.tripod.com/index5E.htm

Onate Expedition

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Yes, I have read about that. His website is quite informative actually.
Although, what would have made a good addition is possible lists of those colonists and soldiers that were part of the reconquest of New Mexico in the 1690's.
Has anyone happened to come across that sort of information?

I know this is going out of the geographic area, but considering many of Onate's troops came from this area, perhaps many of the colonists and troops came from this area as well to reconquore New Mexico. After all, Chihuahua and the settlements of the Rio Grande in particular were suffering from constant Native American attacks to have composed the majority of the Spanish forces.

Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

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I just found out that a census was conducted of the 400 families on July 6, 1591 at San Juan del Rio, Qro. Do any of you know where I can find this census so that I can study the census?
I want to compare the names on this census to the names recorded as the founders of San Gabriel del Yunque, New Mexico in 1598.
My source of information is "La Migracion Tlaxcalteca del Siglo XVI" by Rosalba Delgadillo Torres, 2007. Posted on the web at ccdeentornos.blogspot.com/2007/09/great-indian-migration-transferring.html
Be careful with the popups on this page.
I would like to get a copy of this article but I can't copy it from the Complessita website.

Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

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Stanley,

You are a goldmine.......a wealth of information on the families and History of Nuevo Mexico.
Your subject matter intrigues me because I too have a great deal of curiosity about the families of New Mexico and their relations to Zacatecas.

Last year at the local Wells Fargo Bank, while closing on a loan, our loan agent whose surname was Muños, with Blonde hair and blue eyes. Because I have several Muños family lines, I asked him where his ancestors were from and he said his father was from New Mexico but his great grandparents had been from Zacatecas. He didn't know what part of Zacatecas they were from. He was born and raised in Huntington Beach Ca but he remembers that in his youth, they would visit the family in New Mexico and he would hear the stories of Zacatecas.

I have ordered a couple of books on New Mexico just recently from Better World Books as I would like to read up on the history. You have piqued my curiosity and I will definitely follow up on some of your resources. Thanks for this great topic.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

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Stanley,

I pasted the link into Google and it brought up an article called "The Great Indian Migration" and I saved it to a file. Is this the file you wanted to copy?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

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What you found is different article by Rosalba Delgadillo Torres and is written in English. The other article is written in Spanish. I made a mistake and copied the wrong source. The correct source is:
Delgadillo Torres, R., & Sanchez Mastranzo, N. (s.f.). La migracion Tlaxcalteca del Siglo XVI. Recuperado el January de 2010, de Lomas de Chapultepec, Mexico: http://usuarios.multimania.es/aime/migralteca.html

Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

Tlaxcaltecas in Parras de la Fuente

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I wonder if some of these Tlaxcaltecas were my ancestors. Some of the families settled in Parras, Coahuila, very near the border with Zacatecas, when the city was founded in 1598: http://www.lag.uia.mx/acequias/acequias19/a19p12cofradias.html

One of the branches of my family comes from Parras, and I recently found some marrige certificates from the early 1800's where some of my ancestors are identified as "indios", although they don't mention any specific tribe.

Also we did some mtDNA testing in the family and according to the results my two great grandmothers form Parras were from American Indian descent (American as in the Continent) through direct maternal line, but again we don't know from which specific Indian Nation or tribe.

Victoriano Navarro

Tlaxcaltecas in Parras de la Fuente

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My mtDNA lists haplogroup A - native american.

One of the sources I found listed Santa Maria de las Parras [today Parras de la Fuente] as being colonized by the Tlaxcalans. Could this be the same place?

Stanley A Lucero
Madera, CA

Tlaxcaltecas in Parras de la Fuente

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Yes, Sta. Ma. de las Parras (today Parras de la Fuente) is the same place where my ancestors come from, Parras, Coahuila. The mtDNA of my Parras branches is "Haplogroup C". My own is also "A", but I trace it to Mexico City in the 1800's.

Victoriano Navarro

Tlaxcalans

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My Haplogroup A stops with Maria Dolores Quintana, born about 1850, in Tesuque, New Mexico.

Stanley A Lucero

Tlaxcaltecas in Parras de la Fuente

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My ancestors came from General Cepeda( indirectly Parras), and in Nuevo Leon( near Caderetya & Monterrey).

Did we match?
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx: --------------

Yes, Sta. Ma. de las Parras (today Parras de la Fuente) is the same place where my ancestors come from, Parras, Coahuila. The mtDNA of my Parras branches is
> "Haplogroup C". My own is also "A", but I trace it to Mexico City in the 1800's.
>
> Victoriano Navarro

My Haplogroup C results, Parras de la Fuente

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Hi Esther,
Neither of the two Haplogroup C samples from my Parras family has any matches in the FTDNA page.
The results are posted online:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AmerindFoundermtDNA/default.aspx?se…
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AmericanIndian/default.aspx?section…

Kits N25630 Gertrudis Gonzalez; b.1880 & N32299 Feliciana Rendon, b.ca. 1874, Parras, Coah, Mexico

I have also traced one of my ancestors to General Cepeda (Hacienda de los Patos): Jose Cecilio, b. 1833, son of Pedro Rodriguez & Ma Gertrudis Valdes. He moved to Parras and by reviewing church records it seems to me that he used the surnames Rodriguez and Menchaca and for some reason all his children used the surname Menchaca when they grew up. I hope to confirm this when I start looking at civil records for the family.

Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

Tlaxcaltecas in Parras de la Fuente

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Hello Victoriano - I have trace my Mtdna Haplogroup A to Ayo El Chico (Ayotlan) Jalisco, Mexico. At least that is where I traced my mother's ancestry to as far back as the 1600's.
I haven't done much family history research lately but is there a way to find out whether the Mdtna for Indigenous tribes of Mexico are mapped by state?
I did take notice by the way when I saw the latest information posted on the Tlaxcaltecas. I have several ancestors who were in the Spanish military whom I have traced to San Juan Del Rio. They were Valenzuelas/DeLaRivas/Mendozas. I haven't submitted this info to Nuestors yet but it is posted on Ancestry.com.
thanks, Yolanda

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Victoriano Navarro

My mtDNA Haplogroup A results, Mexico City

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Hi Yolanda,
As far as I know there is no map linking mtDNA results to indigenous tribes by state, I would love to see one.
My Haplogroup A results are posted online:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GenealogyofMexicoDNAProject/default…

N23134 Maria Pacheco A. b. ca. 1880, Mexico City

Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

Mexican mtDNA maps

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Hi Yolanda,
Actually in the three webpages I mentioned in the bottom they have maps indicating the place of origin of the most distant ancestor of the people tested for the different haplogroups. You can zoom in the maps and select haplogroups to show. Ancestry.com has similar maps in the DNA section.
Regards,
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GenealogyofMexicoDNAProject/default…
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AmerindFoundermtDNA/default.aspx?se…
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AmericanIndian/default.aspx?section…

Victoriano Navarro

Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

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Here are some of the directions the 400 families took.

1591, July 6 – When the 400 Tlaxcalan families migrating northward reached the San Juan River, they were greeted by Rodrigo de Rio de Loza, governor of Nueba Viscaya,who divided the families into six groups for six different destinations:

1. Asuncion Tlaxcalilla
2. San Miguel Mezquitic
3. Augua del Venado, near Potosi
4. San Esteban de Nueva Tlaxcala near Saltillo
5. Colotlan
6. San Andres

Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas

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I believe the census of the 400 families is in an archive in San Luis Potosi, since Miguel de Caldera was the person who arranged their migration to the Gran Chichimeca. The 100 families who ended up in Colotlan are detailed in one of Esteban Valdes Salazar's Totatiche history books. I think 100 families settled in Mezquitic and I am not certain of where the other 200 families ended up... likely somewhere in Zacatecas as you mention. I will try to find more specific information about where the census is published.

There is a beautiful letter from the Viceroy Luis de Velasco to King Rey Felipe II dated 26 June 1591 which describes the arrangement of the migration of these families and his visit to their caravan as they passed outside of Mexico City on their way from Tlaxcala to the Gran Chichimeca.

Archivo General de Indias, CARTAS DEL VIRREY LUIS DE VELASCO, HIJO, Signatura MEXICO,22,N.53

Which is available on PARES online:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=2&tx…

General Digest, Vol 51, Issue 2

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Hello Alice,

I have a copy of the only two volumes that have been published to
date--Volumes 1 and 2.

The first volume covers the history and social study of the original
Spanish settlers of

Relation to Generals Navarro and Barragan

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Friday, April 02, 2010, 1:26 PM
Joseph, thank you for helping me do my own genealogical research to find my relationship to my two great uncles: Generals Paulino Navarro Serrano, after whom the city o

Ramon Castillo y Juana Prieto de Tepechitlan y San Jose del Conde, Zac 1860

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Buscando mas informacion. Ramon y Juana (casados es 1877) tuvieron a Ma. Leonarda, Ma. Refugio, Luisa y Antonio.

Cristero movement in Los Altos de Jalisco

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Hello -- I believe the following account refers to my great grandfather, Mariano Gutierrez, who was killed during the Cristero movement in San Miguel el Alto, Jal.

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Cristero movement in Los Altos de Jalisco

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HOLA, COMO ESTAS? PUES YO ESTOY INTERESADA EN LEER ESOS ESCRITOS SI ME HACES FAVOR DE MANDARMELOS PARA VER SI LOS PUEDO DESIFRAR. FIJATE QUE YO TAMBIEN TENGO A MIS ANTEPASADOS GUTIERREZ EN LOS ALTOS DE JALISCO PERO SEGUN YO CREO FUE SOLO EN TEPATITLAN JALISCO PERO ALOMEJOR TENGO PARIENTES GUTIERREZ EN LOS ALREDEDORES.

BUENO ME LLAMO MARTHA GOMEZ
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cristero movement in Los Altos de Jalisco

Hello -- I believe the following account refers to my great grandfather, Mariano Gutierrez, who was killed during the Cristero movement in San Miguel el Alto, Jal.

A las 11 de la mañana de este mismo día, salieron unos soldados a traer pastura al rancho Los Magueyes, a unos 3 Kms. al oriente de la población, donde encontraron al Sr. Mariano Gutiérrez, persona honrada y pacífica y sin motivo le dieron muerte, dejando huérfanos 13 hijos. [21 Nov 1927]

. . . naturally I went directly to the microfilms to view death records for this date. Unfortunately, on 22 Oct 1926, there is a page in the microfilmed book that I imagine explains why the records stopped at this point and did not commence until 1930. However, I am not able to interpret some of the words and some of the writing is not legible.

If there is an expert out in Nuestros Ranchos cyberspace who wants to take a shot at translating this document and/or providing any historical references, I would greatly appreciate it. I will send the scanned document to those that respond.

Also, for those interested in reading the diary (published in 1970 by an annonymous person), you can find it here:

http://www.sanjosedelosreynoso.net/Cristiada3.htm

Thank you, Roxanne Ocampo

Cristero movement in Los Altos de Jalisco

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Hola Martha, yo soy de Tepatitlán y también tengo algunos ancestros Gutiérrez en Tepatitlán, en un rancho llamado La Mina, pero no es una rama que tenga muy avanzada, a lo mejor podemos ayudarnos uno a otro con la información que tengamos.

También tengo la genealogía de una tía que apellida Gutiérrez. Esos Gutiérrez son de un rancho llamado Los Charcos, Los Cedazos y ranchos de alrededor.

Me gustaría intercambiar datos contigo, y para ello me gustaría saber que otros apellidos buscas y si sabes de que ranchos mucho mas fácil.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

_________________________________________________________________
Enciende tu hotness con Hotmail
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Churches in Mexico

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Does anyone know how I can locate a certain church in Mexico? For example, I know that my grandmothers parents were married in San Juan de los Lagos, but I do not know what church.

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Churches in Mexico

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BUENO, NO NECESITAS SABER EL NOMBRE DE LA IGLESIA NI EL DE LOS SACERDOTES , LO UNICO QUE NECESITAS SABER ES EL LUGAR Y LA FECHA. SI QUIERES DIME DE QUE FECHA ESTAS BUSCANDO Y YO TE LOCALIZO EL MICROFILM DONDE SE ENCUENTRAN TUS PARIENTES Y AHI YA VAS A VER LA IGLESIA EN QUE SE CASARON .
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Churches in Mexico

Does anyone know how I can locate a certain church in Mexico? For example, I know that my grandmothers parents were married in San Juan de los Lagos, but I do not know what church. THe document says the priest is Don Urbano Barragan Velasco, a minister is also listed as Presbitero Francisco Esquivel and a "Father Priest" Senor Cura Pantaleon Fortolero. The priest who certifed the document in 1950 is named Estaban Sanchez V. I guess I may want to search the surnames of the priests to find family members who can tell me where this church is located. Any other suggestions?

Place Name Library Catalog in Familysearch

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One more hint. If you are using the Place Name Library Catalog in Familysearch, sometimes you will come up with nothing. That does not mean that they do not have records for that area. That search has to be exact, with your spelling exactly as they have it in the familysearch database. If at first you do not succeed, try, try again with alternate spellings and if you still do not find it, call your local Family History center and ask for some help.

Maureen Bejar

Place Name Library Catalog in Familysearch

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In addition to what Maureen Bejar said, you can also take your search one step back and look at the State level instead of the town level and that way you can see all of the towns that have information in that state. So if the name is misspelled you can easily see the variation "as they cataloged it". You would go to Place search and instead of putting the town, spell the State name and then choose the state and then click on "View Related Places", a list of all of the related places populates in alphabetical order. Then you choose the desired city (place). Try it, it's not that hard.

Además del Gran Consejo que Maureen Bejar dio, también puede buscar un paso atrás y observar al nivel del Estado en lugar del nivel de ciudad; y de esa manera puedes ver todas las ciudades que tienen información en ese estado. Así que, si está mal escrito el nombre usted puede ver fácilmente la variación ", como lo catalogaron". Usted iría a la Area de búsqueda y en vez de poner la ciudad, escriba el nombre del Estado y luego elege el estado y luego haga clic en "Ver lugares relacionados", una lista de todos los lugares relacionados desplegara en orden alfabético. Luego debes escoger la ciudad deseada (lugar). Inténtalo, no es difícil.

Saludos Desde Lago Salado (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Eduardo H Seoane
EduardoHSeoane@gmail.com

Batch records in San Juan Los Lagos

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Almost forgot, you might want to check out this site under films. Some of the records might have been batched already, which will cut your search down dramatically. However, you may want to order the film anyway, as some records do have much more information than what is on the batched record. It is the luck of the draw whether there is more information or not. Sometime you only get exactly what is on the batch or sometimes you get more generations, aunt and uncles, ages, occupation, origins and all sorts of lucky charms with the actual microfilm document.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films/Jalisco/1072

Click on the buttons and it takes your straight to the family search batch.

Maureen Bejar

Links to San Juan Los Lagos

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http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…++

Hopefully the links above will work. The first is to the Library Catalog of familysearch. I put in the "place": San Juan Los Lagos and then "part of": Mexico

Click on the church records for San Juan Los Lagos and then at the top right there will be a button for "View Film Notes". It will list all the records and years on the left with the film numbers to order on the right.

Hope this helps.

Maureen

San Juan de los Lagos church links

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Thank you so much! This is great!
-From Mexico to the Midwest

Churches in Mexico

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Lisa:

Most of the smaller towns in Mexico have only one parrish, even if there is more than one temple. Thus for records purposes, there is only one place to look as records are always kept at the parrish level.

San Juan de los Lagos is no exception. If you go to familysearch.org and check under the "Library" menu item, you can search by location and you will find that the only parrish in San Juan de los Lagos is the "San Juan Bautista" parrish... thus the name of the town.

You can then pull the films available for that town (civil or church), get a film number where you think your great-grandparents were married and order the film. If their marriage was onld enough, simply go to the "Films" section of Nuestros Ranchos and pull up the index for the marriage records of the town to find their marriage record extract.

Assistance with Churches

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Thank you So much!!!

-From Mexico to the Midwest

Patricio NAVA = Maria Rosa SERRANO

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I am seeking information about the above referenced persons. Patricio was born about 1855. He married 21 May 1881 in Ojo Caliente,Ojo Caliente, Zacatecas, Mexico. They had 5 children.

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Patricio NAVA = Maria Rosa SERRANO

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I am seeking information about the above referenced persons. Patricio was born about 1855. He married 21 May 1881 in Ojo Caliente,Ojo Caliente, Zacatecas, Mexico. They had 5 children.

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family tree for anniversary

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Can anyone suggest a source for having a family tree done for display?

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You might consider the program in Family Tree Maker. Put it on a flash drive and take it to Kinko's. They'll make the poster as big as you want. I've given away the 5'x5' posters to family. These posters cost about $4-$6 each. Ancestry.com has fancier ones that might be better quality keepsakes.
Eloise Reyes

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] family tree for anniversary

Can anyone suggest a source for having a family tree done for display? My
rothers and I are organizing a 60th wedding anniversay party for our
arents in July and I want post one for each of them. I can search on the
nternet, but thought some of you might have some suggestions from
xperience. I'd appreciate any tips on this. Thanks.--Raquel

family tree for anniversary

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Thanks Paco and Eloise for your suggestions. I liked what I saw at
ancestry.com. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

family tree for anniversary

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Definitely I'd suggest go to ancestry.com and order one from MyCanvas
application very good quality!

Good Luck!

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> Can anyone suggest a source for having a family tree done for display? My
> brothers and I are organizing a 60th wedding anniversay party for our
> parents in July and I want post one for each of them. I can search on the
> internet, but thought some of you might have some suggestions from
> experience. I'd appreciate any tips on this. Thanks.--Raquel

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I agree. My Canvas which is a partner of ancestry.com does very nice work. It's very easy to use (you can upload your tree if you don't already have an ancestry.com tree), pick the poster you want and the hit a button and you're done. There is also editing capablity as well as printing off your computer or other place that does oversize printing. That capability is great for people other than the honorees who would like a copy. Customer service is great. I made a family history book for my aunt's 90th birthday and it came out very nice. Perfect gift for the older person who says they have everything they need. Sherri Mora

Matrimonio de Rafael Muñoz y Maria de Jesus Muñoz

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Alguien sabe sobre los padres de estos 2 personas, casaron aproximadamente 1780 en jalos o san miguel, agredeceria si alguien sabe algo de ellos mil gracias

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Es posible que tu maria de jesus se tambien nombraba como ana maria munoz?
Yo tengo a un rafael munoz padilla casado con ana maria munoz gutierrez en 1801 en Jalos.
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Alguien sabe sobre los padres de estos 2 personas, casaron aproximadamente 1780 en jalos o san miguel, agredeceria si alguien sabe algo de ellos mil gracias

Rafael Muñoz y Ana Maria Muñoz

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Mygenes2000,

Yo tambien tengo a Rafael Munoz Padilla casado con Ana Maria Munoz Gutierrez
en 1801 en Jalos

Por casualidad tienes los nombres de los hijos - yo nomas tengo a Trinidad
casado con Maria Pabla Marquez Munoz en San Miguel el Alto en 1833 - no he
encontrado fecha de nacimiento. Segun el partido de matrimonio el tenia 28
anos al casarse.

(English)

I also have Rafael Munoz Padilla married to Ana Maria Munoz Gutierrez in
1801 in Jalos. By any chance do you have the names of their children? All I
have is my direct ancestor Trinidad who married Maria Pabla Marquez Munoz in
San Miguel el Alto in 1833. I have not been able to find a birth date -
according to the marriage record he was 28 at the time of the marriage but
have not been able to find a baptismal record that matches.

-Angelina-

Rafael Muñoz y Ana Maria Muñoz

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This is close but it might not be him. Depending on when Trinidad was
married, the individual below might have been 29 but not 28.
Esto esta cerca pero puede que no sea el. Dependiendo de cuando se caso
Trinidad, el individuo abajo pudo aver tenido 29 pero no 28 años.
Jose Bernardo De La Trinidad Munoz
Munoz
[image: Four Stars] 28 August 1803
San Miguel El Alto,Jalisco,Mexico

Rafael Munos
Ana Maria Munos
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0279423, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0279423, Batch number: J603292, Serial number: 01264, Place: San
Miguel El Alto, Jal County, Mexico, Time period: 1794-1805, Contributor:
EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH
**
*Below are possible siblings: Abajo son posibles hermanos/hermanas:*
Jose Quirino Munos
Munos
[image: Four Stars] 11 January 1802
San Miguel El Alto,Jalisco,Mexico

Rafael Munos
Ana Maria Munos
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0279423, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0279423, Batch number: J603292, Serial number: 01020, Place: San
Miguel El Alto, Jal County, Mexico, Time period: 1794-1805, Contributor:
EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

Jose Franco. Munos
Munos
[image: Five Stars] 10 November 1806
San Juan De Los Lagos,Jalisco,Mexico

Rafael Munos
Maria Munos
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0220650, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0220650, Batch number: C603389, Serial number: 02807, Place: San
Juan De Los Lagos, Jal County, Mexico, Time period: 1801-1809, Contributor:
EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

Guadalupe Munos
Munos
[image: Four Stars] 6 May 1811
San Juan De Los Lagos,Jalisco,Mexico

Rafael Munos
Ana Maria Munos
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0220651, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0220651, Batch number: C603391, Serial number: 00967, Place: San
Juan De Los Lagos, Jal County, Mexico, Time period: 1809-1816, Contributor:
EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

This is a possible marriage of another of their children: Este es un
posible matrimonio de otro de sus hijos:
Visente Munos
[image: Four Stars]
San Juan
Rosalia Gomes

Rafael Munos
Ana Maria Munos
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0279304, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0279304, Batch number: M603234, Serial number: 00438, Place: Nuestra
Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jal County, Mexico, Time period:
1850-1861, Contributor: EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

Good Luck, Buena Suerte!

Saludos desde Lago Salado, (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Eduardo H Seoane

Rafael Muñoz y Ana Maria Muñoz

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Eduardo,

Thank you - I had seen the Jose Bernardo De La Trinidad Munoz record and had
dismissed it but .... you are right there is a slim chance that it is him.
Also, thanks for the listing on the possible siblings - looks like I'll be
ordering some records :)

-Angelina-

Rafael Muñoz y Ana Maria Muñoz

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Here is another possible sibling: Aqui hay otro posible hermana/hermano
Jose Maria Francisca Munos Munos
[image: Two Stars] 17 October 1805
San Juan De Los Lagos,Jalisco,Mexico

Rafael Munos
Ana Munos
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0220650, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0220650, Batch number: C603389, Serial number: 02380, Place: San
Juan De Los Lagos, Jal County, Mexico, Time period: 1801-1809, Contributor:
EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

Saludos desde Lago Salado, (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Eduardo H Seoane

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Solo se que tenian a lo menos dos hijos Juan Francisco Munoz de Nava y Nepomucena Munoz de Nava. No se cuando se casaronRafael Munoz de Nava y Maria de Jesus Munoz de Nava,
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matrimonio de Rafael Muñoz y Maria de Jesus Muñoz
>
> Alguien sabe sobre los padres de estos 2 personas, casaron aproximadamente 1780 en jalos o san miguel, agredeceria si alguien sabe algo de ellos mil gracias

Cortes,

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Not sure if anyone has seen this web site.....It's pretty cool and it has interesting old articles. check it out.

http://www.agn.gob.mx/revolucion/documentos.html

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Hola a todos los compañeros del foro me gustaria saber el nombre de los padres de estos dos ancestros mios, se casaron el 8 de mayo de 1741 en jalos, agradesco de antemano todo lo que se me pueda ayu

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Juan de San pedro Ochoa garibay baptized 10Jul1718 in tepa. Som of jacinto and maria gomez de M y gonz de herm. My wife descends from Prudencia de la concepcion ochoa munoz dotr of pedro and regina
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Me gustaria saber Como desciendes de ellos para saber tu parentesco con mi esposa.
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I have a questionnow that you mentioned your wife descends from this line, I dont have the marriage date Francisco Javier Galvan de Rojas and Gertrudis Hermenegilda Gonzalez. I just know Francisco JAvier was baptized 31 Jul 1727in Jalostotitlan. I have him as son of Miguel G. de Rojas and MargaritaP. de Paredes. Not sure who are the parents of Gertrudis-Hermenegilda.
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> Juan de San pedro Ochoa garibay baptized 10Jul1718 in tepa. Som of jacinto and maria gomez de M y gonz de herm. My wife descends from Prudencia de la concepcion ochoa munoz dotr of pedro and regina
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The marriage date is 14feb1727 in jalos. You have his correct parents and her parents are salvador gonz and petronila Herrera marRied 29sep1710 in san mig el alto
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Matrimonio Pedro de Ochoa y reg
ina Muñoz de Hermosillo

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Im a bit confused, you might have mistaken, but 1727 was when Francisco Javierwas born the marriage you stated was 14 Feb 1727 in Jalos. Do you have any moreinfo on Salvador and Petronila? Im guessing Petronila is related to the same Herrera ofJalostotitlan?
Thanks,Daniel

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> The marriage date is 14feb1727 in jalos. You have his correct parents and her parents are salvador gonz and petronila Herrera marRied 29sep1710 in san mig el alto
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> ina Muñoz de Hermosillo
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> I have a questionnow that you mentioned your wife descends from this line, I dont have the marriage date Francisco Javier Galvan de Rojas and Gertrudis Hermenegilda Gonzalez. I just know Francisco JAvier was baptized 31 Jul 1727in Jalostotitlan. I have him as son of Miguel G. de Rojas and MargaritaP. de Paredes. Not sure who are the parents of Gertrudis-Hermenegilda.
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>> Juan de San pedro Ochoa garibay baptized 10Jul1718 in tepa. Som of jacinto and maria gomez de M y gonz de herm. My wife descends from Prudencia de la concepcion ochoa munoz dotr of pedro and regina
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>> Hola a todos los compañeros del foro me gustaria saber el nombre de los padres de estos dos ancestros mios, se casaron el 8 de mayo de 1741 en jalos, agradesco de antemano todo lo que se me pueda ayudar

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You are correct. He was baptized 31jul 1727. He was married on valentines day in 1748.
I do not have miguels parents. Salvadors parents are salvador gonzalez and rosa gert de anda altamirano. And petronila is a daughter of geronimo herrera and agustina (secundina) de la rosa delgadillo.
I believe you already have margaritas parents and grandparents.
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ina Muñoz de Hermosillo

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Tambien los tengo como hermanos pero yo tengo a pedro como juan jose de san pedro.
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Leticia,
No se pero pienso que Juan Jose y Juan de San Pedro eran hermanos, no son lo mismo.
Tengo que Juan de San Pedro fue bautizado el 10 de julio de 1718 y Juan Joseel 13 de marzo de 1712. Juan Jose caso a Paula Gertrudis Tiscareno de Molinael 1 de febrero de 1741.
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> espero que este sea tu pedro:
>
> Juan josé de San Pedro Ochoa y Garibay 10 jul 1718 mismo batch que Regina batch 8676809 film 1396252 en Tepatitlan hijo de Jacinto Ochoa Garibay y Maria Gomez de Mendoza se casan 9 feb 1705 y Maria muere 6 mar 1759, ella hija de Esteban Gomez de Mendoza y Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo.. Lety R
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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=los-altos-reg…
te mando una Regina..
Maria Regina Muñoz de Hermosillo 20 mar 1717 hija de Nicolas de Hermosillo y de Josefa Franco de la Cueva....batch 8676809 film 1396252 en Tepatitlan, pero las demás hijas de esta pareja nacieron en Jalos.... en el link de arriba hay un archivo de Daniel con quien te puedes contactar para comentar el punto.. Nicolas y Josefa se casan el 3 de feb 1712 tepa Nicolas nace cerca de 1868 o 5 y Josefa alrededor del 31 may 1689.. saludos Lety R

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espero que este sea tu pedro:

Juan josé de San Pedro Ochoa y Garibay 10 jul 1718 mismo batch que Regina batch 8676809 film 1396252 en Tepatitlan hijo de Jacinto Ochoa Garibay y Maria Gomez de Mendoza se casan 9 feb 1705 y Maria muere 6 mar 1759, ella hija de Esteban Gomez de Mendoza y Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo.. Lety R

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>
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> espero que este sea tu pedro:
>
> Juan josé de San Pedro Ochoa y Garibay 10 jul 1718 mismo batch que Regina batch 8676809 film 1396252 en Tepatitlan hijo de Jacinto Ochoa Garibay y Maria Gomez de Mendoza se casan 9 feb 1705 y Maria muere 6 mar 1759, ella hija de Esteban Gomez de Mendoza y Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo.. Lety R
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Daniel, es que yo lo encontré como Juan José de san Pedro... no solo como Juan de San Pedro.. el caso es que no encontré ningún otro Pedro Ochoa y Garibay...

¿De casualidad sabe algo sobre Salvador Manuel Ochoa casado con Ana Ysidora Martin del Campo en Tepatitlan el 11 may 1772? y de Jose ( tal vez Martín) de Alva casado con Encarnación Enriquez padres de Juana de Alva Enriquez esposa de simón de la Mora Martin el 31 agosto 1864 en tepatitlan? Agradezco cualquier ayuda... son mis bisabuelos...gracias Lety Reynoso

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Daniel... I was wrong.. yes.. es sólo Juan de San Pedro!!! Lety R

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Lo siento,
No tengo ningun en mis registros, debes ordernar los registros de laspartidas de los matrimonios, el costo es $2.00 por registro.
Saludos,Daniel

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>
>
> Daniel, es que yo lo encontré como Juan José de san Pedro... no solo como Juan de San Pedro.. el caso es que no encontré ningún otro Pedro Ochoa y Garibay...
>
>
>
> ¿De casualidad sabe algo sobre Salvador Manuel Ochoa casado con Ana Ysidora Martin del Campo en Tepatitlan el 11 may 1772? y de Jose ( tal vez Martín) de Alva casado con Encarnación Enriquez padres de Juana de Alva Enriquez esposa de simón de la Mora Martin el 31 agosto 1864 en tepatitlan? Agradezco cualquier ayuda... son mis bisabuelos...gracias Lety Reynoso
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Yo tambien lo tengo como juan jose de san pedro ochoa garibay.
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Lo siento,
No tengo ningun en mis registros, debes ordernar los registros de laspartidas de los matrimonios, el costo es $2.00 por registro.
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> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:47:47 -0600
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ochoa y Garibay
>
>
> Daniel, es que yo lo encontré como Juan José de san Pedro... no solo como Juan de San Pedro.. el caso es que no encontré ningún otro Pedro Ochoa y Garibay...
>
>
>
> ¿De casualidad sabe algo sobre Salvador Manuel Ochoa casado con Ana Ysidora Martin del Campo en Tepatitlan el 11 may 1772? y de Jose ( tal vez Martín) de Alva casado con Encarnación Enriquez padres de Juana de Alva Enriquez esposa de simón de la Mora Martin el 31 agosto 1864 en tepatitlan? Agradezco cualquier ayuda... son mis bisabuelos...gracias Lety Reynoso
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Lety yo encontré que José Martín de Alba Martín fue bautizado el 07 de febrero de 1815 en Tepatitlán, hijo legítimo de José Francisco de Alba Gómez y María Antonia Martín del Campo y se casó con María de la Encarnación Enríquez González, bautizada el 25 de marzo de 1827 en Tepatitlán, hija legítima de Juan Nepomuceno Enríquez Gómez y María Dolores González Enríquez. Esta pareja bautizo a su hija María Juana de la Mora Enríquez en Tepatitlán el 30 de junio de 1846 la cual casó también en Tepatitlán el 31 de agosto de 1864 con Simón de la Mora Martín, hijo legítimo de José María Reducindo de la Mora Gallegos y Dorotea Martín del Campo.

También me interesa saber quienes son los ancestros de Salvador Manuel Ochoa Garibay.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
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Jorge como siempre...Eres mi IDOLO!!!! esa es exactamente a la Encarnacíón que buscaba!!!!! años y años..al fin voy a avanzar con esa abuelita... de dónde sacaste el dato?y aún no doy yo tampoco con Salvador Manuel.. si sé algo te aviso
nos estamos viendo en FB...gracias Lety

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Ochoa y Garibay

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Revisé las actas de bautizmo de los hijos de José Martín de Alba y María de la Encarnación Enríquez y en algunas venía el nombre de los abuelos. Por eso pude avanzar esa linea porque el matrimonio no lo he encontrado. Tengo 11 hijos de este matrimonio, Asención, Juana, Mauro, Irenea, Adrián, Isidora, Gertrudis, Trinidad, Teresa, Merced y Paulina.

En cuanto a lo de Salvador Manuel Ochoa Garibay, yo desciendo de el de su segundo matrimonio con Ana Isidora Martín del Campo. Se que cuando casó con Ana Isidora en 1772, él era viudo de Mariana Díaz Castellanos. Es lo único que se de el.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Ochoa y Garibay, Enriquez, Gonzalez Rubio

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Tan prolificos que salieron porque Juana De Alva Enriquez se casa con Simón de la Mora Martin y también tienen como 15!!! ellos son los papás de Eberarda de la Mora de Alva la abuelita materna de mi papá quien a los 14 años se casó con Guadalupe Lucio Ballesteros de Oaxaca de 60 años el señor!!!! tuvieron una única hija..Carmen Ballesteros De la Mora..mi abuelita quien se casó con Rafael Reynoso y Martinez en la cd. de México mixcoac.

Juan Nepomuceno Enriquez Gomez es hijo de Nestor Vicente Enriquez y Juana Maria Gomez de quienes no encuento sus padres sólo encontré a Jose Theodoro Enriquez el 21 nov 1784 yo creo en Teptitlan.. tiene un hermano jose ygnacio Enriquez Gomes que se casó con Ines Carranza ..Ygnacio quien nació en las cruces Doña Ana New Mexico por lo que no he hayado si Vicente Enriquez y Juana gomez eran de ahí o no si encontramos el acta de Theodoro ahí sabremos quienes son sus abuelos....

Maria Dolores Gonzalez Enriquez casada con Juan Nepomuceno Enriquez Gomez el 10 may 1825 en tepatitlan, M603729 film 0218520 hija de Juan Pablo Gonzalez Rubio y de Maria Ignacia Guadalupe Enriquez casados el 12 feb 1738 Jalos.. M603227 film 279298 Juan Pablo hijo de Antonio Gonzalez Rubio y de Maria Rexina Gutierrez y Maria Ignacia Gpe. enriquez hija de Santiago Enriquez e Ysadora Maldonado.. por lo pronto hasta ahí voy.. a ver si entre todos desenmarañamos este asunto..saludos Lety R

y muchas gracias a ti Jorge

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Néstor Vicente Enríquez se casó con Juana María Gómez en Tepatitlán el 09 de junio de 1779, solo que no he revisado el acta de matrimonio, pero me imagino que en dicha acta viene el nombre de sus padres.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Elizalde for Amanda

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Amanda, I tried emailing to your private email but couldn't get through. So I
hope this will do.
:) Esther

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From: "esther@enhanced.org"

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Elizalde

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Esther: muchas gracias por la informacion que me has proporcionado, ahora ya tengo de donde seguir obteniendo más datos, pues me das lon números de los Cds.Si en algo te puedo ayudar con ancestros de Nuevo Leon Y coahuila, con gusto lo haré.

Amanda.

La Plaza de Cruz Moya, Zacatecas

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Do you know in what city the Plaza de Cruz Moya might have been in 1679 in Zacatecas? I need to find out which LDS microfilms to order to try to locate records for:

Gracias Daniel Del Camino

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Saludos A todos los miembros de nuestros Ranchos my name is Francisco Rubio.I want to thank Daniel Del Camino for giving me information with dates of birth of my Grandfather who was born in 1850 in C

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

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I agree that this was a great idea to pose our brick walls to those who attended the conference.

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Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

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Great idea Jose,

Here is my brick wall:

For years I have looked and looked for anything on my father's maternal ancestors. His paternal ancestors I was able to track clear back to the late 1600s in Jerez, Zac. with the help of several members of NR.

I cannot find my father's mother or her parents anywhere. Her name was Gorgonia Garcia, the daughter of Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez, very common surnames. I can't find anything on my father or his sister, either. I did find the information on their father, which is why I was able to track those to the late 1600s.

My father was born in Jerez in 1903, and his sister was born in nearby Guadalupe a few years earlier, so Gorgonia had to have been living in Jerez or Guadalupe at one time. The records for the first years of the 20th century were burned during the revolution--that is what a priest in Jerez told my father. Gorgonia died when my father was a toddler, so all he knew about her was her name and the names of her parents.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> From: igomezlucero@csus.edu
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:01:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16
>
> I agree that this was a great idea to pose our brick walls to those who attended the conference. As a member of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society, we have some of our brick walls posted on our website already.
> Earlier this month, I attended the Conference, and have already benefited from this exercise. Another attendee, Jerry Munoz was able to help me with one of my brick walls. His assistance helped me greatly with my San Juan de los Lagos, Jal. del Portillo and Gallardo lines. I only hope that I can help the individual whose information I drew. I am working on it.
>
> I look forward to attending the next conference in Southern California. I hope that Ranchos members from the south can make it happen.
>
> Irma Gomez Gtz.
> N. Calif.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:26:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jcdl1944@hotmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "brick walls"
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> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept, except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
>
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it? In addition to periodic inquiries of our members, this might prove to be a good challenge for our own genalogists that love mysteries?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Joseph de Leon
>
>
> **********************

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

It seems like the information that you are looking for is available through
the Family History Centers follow this URL
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…
it
will take you to the Catholic church records that are available for Jerez.

Saludos desde Lago Salado,
Eduardo H Seoane

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

Ed, I have the following film at my FHC for the dates that my father (Guadalupe Olague, born Jan. 28, 1903 in Jerez) was born, but I don't find him listed there:

0439867 Baptisms 1899-1903 Iglesia Immaculada

I also have never found a marriage listed for Gorgonia Garcia and my grandfather Francisco Olague. Maybe they weren't married and maybe they never baptized their children. I guess Gorgonia will remain a mystery.

Thanks,

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:51:52 -0600
> From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16
>
> It seems like the information that you are looking for is available through
> the Family History Centers follow this URL
> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…
> it
> will take you to the Catholic church records that are available for Jerez.
>
> Saludos desde Lago Salado,
> Eduardo H Seoane

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

If they ever came to the United States there should be border crossing
information on them that might indicate place of birth parents etc....
Additionally in the US censuses it usually indicates in what year they
immigrated to the USA. If you can find that information it should help you
to locate your ancestors. In the boarder crossings pay close attention to
who your ancestors are going to visit or traveling with them. Back then very
few people crossed illegally. You can access border crossing records and
census records at Ancestry.com. If your ancestors were in Mexico in 1930
that census is available online at http://pilot.familysearch.org but you
have to know the municipality and city and state where they resided. it will
give the age how long they have been married children and ages of the
children. Good luck!

Saludos desde Lago Salado
Eduardo H Seoane

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

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Ed,

No, Gorgonia died in Mexico at the turn of the 20th century when my father was a toddler. His father immigrated with him and his sister and his brother and his family in 1913 when my father was 10 years old, and they never returned to Mexico except that one time in the early 1960s when my father went to Jerez to try to get his birth certificate he needed to get his retirement from Westinghouse. There were no records, so my father paid a lawyer and a judge in Jerez to give him one. My father became a naturalized US citizen in 1941, and I sent for those records but they only state that his parents were born in Mexico, no city, etc.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:23:45 -0800
> From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16
>
> If they ever came to the United States there should be border crossing
> information on them that might indicate place of birth parents etc....
> Additionally in the US censuses it usually indicates in what year they
> immigrated to the USA. If you can find that information it should help you
> to locate your ancestors. In the boarder crossings pay close attention to
> who your ancestors are going to visit or traveling with them. Back then very
> few people crossed illegally. You can access border crossing records and
> census records at Ancestry.com. If your ancestors were in Mexico in 1930
> that census is available online at http://pilot.familysearch.org but you
> have to know the municipality and city and state where they resided. it will
> give the age how long they have been married children and ages of the
> children. Good luck!
>
> Saludos desde Lago Salado
> Eduardo H Seoane

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

So did you look at the border crossing records for each individual that
immigrated? There is also the possibility that members of the family visited
the US or went to Mexico when children were born and baptized or for
marriages or deaths. They did not necesarily need to be your grandfather but
could have been one of his siblings, parents, uncles, cousins, etc.... So,
their could be additional border crossings. These records are not the same
as the naturalization record. Often they will give the place of birth, age,
traveling companions, place traveling too, people they are going to visit,
different dates in which they had entered the US. If it were my family, I
would definitely look for them.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
> Ed,
>
>
>
> No, Gorgonia died in Mexico at the turn of the 20th century when my father
> was a toddler. His father immigrated with him and his sister and his
> brother and his family in 1913 when my father was 10 years old, and they
> never returned to Mexico except that one time in the early 1960s when my
> father went to Jerez to try to get his birth certificate he needed to get
> his retirement from Westinghouse. There were no records, so my father paid a
> lawyer and a judge in Jerez to give him one. My father became a naturalized
> US citizen in 1941, and I sent for those records but they only state that
> his parents were born in Mexico, no city, etc.
>
>
> Emilie
>
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:23:45 -0800
> > From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50,
> Issue 16
> >
> > If they ever came to the United States there should be border crossing
> > information on them that might indicate place of birth parents etc....
> > Additionally in the US censuses it usually indicates in what year they
> > immigrated to the USA. If you can find that information it should help
> you
> > to locate your ancestors. In the boarder crossings pay close attention to
> > who your ancestors are going to visit or traveling with them. Back then
> very
> > few people crossed illegally. You can access border crossing records and
> > census records at Ancestry.com. If your ancestors were in Mexico in 1930
> > that census is available online at http://pilot.familysearch.org but you
> > have to know the municipality and city and state where they resided. it
> will
> > give the age how long they have been married children and ages of the
> > children. Good luck!
> >
> > Saludos desde Lago Salado
> > Eduardo H Seoane
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

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Ed - Yes, I have scoured the immigration and border crossing records for my father's uncles, cousins, and their in-laws who crossed over in 1913. I don't find anything on them after the initial crossing. It appears that none of them ever returned to Mexico, nor did they keep up a correspondence with anyone back there. My father's mother had died in Mexico as well as all his grandparents except for the one grandmother Rafaela Tinajero, his father's mother, who they had brought with them.

The border crossing records from Juarez to El Paso don't state who they left behind, who their last contact was, only that their last residence in Mexico was Chihuahua, Mexico, no city, nothing else, that they were crossing over to remain permanently in the United States, and no destination was given.

My father and mother went to Jerez in July 1965 to try to obtain a copy of his birth certificate for retirement, but the priest there told him that the records had been burned. He then went to the Civil Registry where he was told to get a lawyer. The lawyer had a judge issue him a belated birth certificate due to his birth never having been recorded previously according to the law, and I still have the copy. My father died the next year.

In the copy of the "Papel Especial Para Certificados de las Actas del Registro Civil" only the names of his mother and father and his grandparents are listed (all deceased), no place of origin, etc. What is interesting to me (I don't read Spanish well) is that there were two witnesses, Severiano Munoz Escobedo and Monico Soriano Carrillo, "mayores de edad y vecinos de esta ciudad, quienes bajo protesta de decir verdad, manifestaron ser cierto lo que a los personas y hechos de que se trata".

It seems to me these men were testifying that they had known my father's parents, but I don't know if they had known his grandparents who had died long before. My father does have Sorianos and Escobedos in his lines, but I have not been able to tie these two men to any of my father's relatives in the records of Jerez or Tepetongo. Perhaps they were just neighbors, or who knows. My mother said my father was throwing money around down there.

People down there are poor and could easily be bribed. These two witnesses are probably dead by now. I wouldn't know how to contact anyone down there to hunt them or their children down. It has been so long now, 45 years. I remember my father said he couldn't find anyone who had known his relatives; he and his father had been gone from Jerez for over 50 years.

Most people down there have zero interest in genealogy, nor do they understand why anyone would want to find such long dead ancestors in the cemeteries, which according to one of my fellow NR members, are very unkempt and deteriorating. My father was very disappointed about the condition of the "jardin" in the plaza that had a cute little gazebo where he said musicians would play on Sundays. He said it had been so beautiful, full of flowers when he was small, but that it had become very neglected.

Thanks,

Emilie

> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:24:24 -0600
> From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16
>
> So did you look at the border crossing records for each individual that
> immigrated? There is also the possibility that members of the family visited
> the US or went to Mexico when children were born and baptized or for
> marriages or deaths. They did not necesarily need to be your grandfather but
> could have been one of his siblings, parents, uncles, cousins, etc.... So,
> their could be additional border crossings. These records are not the same
> as the naturalization record. Often they will give the place of birth, age,
> traveling companions, place traveling too, people they are going to visit,
> different dates in which they had entered the US. If it were my family, I
> would definitely look for them.
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> >
> >
> > No, Gorgonia died in Mexico at the turn of the 20th century when my father
> > was a toddler. His father immigrated with him and his sister and his
> > brother and his family in 1913 when my father was 10 years old, and they
> > never returned to Mexico except that one time in the early 1960s when my
> > father went to Jerez to try to get his birth certificate he needed to get
> > his retirement from Westinghouse. There were no records, so my father paid a
> > lawyer and a judge in Jerez to give him one. My father became a naturalized
> > US citizen in 1941, and I sent for those records but they only state that
> > his parents were born in Mexico, no city, etc.
> >
> >
> > Emilie
> >
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:23:45 -0800
> > > From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50,
> > Issue 16
> > >
> > > If they ever came to the United States there should be border crossing
> > > information on them that might indicate place of birth parents etc....
> > > Additionally in the US censuses it usually indicates in what year they
> > > immigrated to the USA. If you can find that information it should help
> > you
> > > to locate your ancestors. In the boarder crossings pay close attention to
> > > who your ancestors are going to visit or traveling with them. Back then
> > very
> > > few people crossed illegally. You can access border crossing records and
> > > census records at Ancestry.com. If your ancestors were in Mexico in 1930
> > > that census is available online at http://pilot.familysearch.org but you
> > > have to know the municipality and city and state where they resided. it
> > will
> > > give the age how long they have been married children and ages of the
> > > children. Good luck!
> > >
> > > Saludos desde Lago Salado
> > > Eduardo H Seoane
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
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> >

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

So from what you are telling me I am assuming that you have looked at the
Información Matrimonial prior to your fathers birth as well as the
Matrimonios? Did you find the death record for your GMother Gorgonia?
Normally people where married in the locality where the bride is from. But
the Banns are "normally" published in both localities. Have you looked at
military records they might have additional information, who knows?

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

Ed,

I did look at the films for the matrimonios and the death records and found nothing. However, there are hundreds of rolls of films for Jerez alone, and I have been able to order and view only about a couple of dozen, and I haven't ordered the Dispensation films. I think I did look at the "hijos naturales" at the main FHC and there was nothing there.

I did send an e-mail for information about the military to a site recommended by someone in NR that lives in Mexico, since both my grandfather Francisco Olague Felix/Tinajero and and his brother-in-law Jose Garcia Davila had been revolutionary soldiers with high ranks, but they only had information on high-ranking Federales officers, not revolutionaries.

Jose's grandfather was a wealthy espanol hacendado who disowned his daughter for marrying an "indio". All the more reason for Jose to join the revolutionaries and marry the sister (Angela) of his fellow revolutionary, my grandfather.

My grandfather and his brother-in-law were going to be executed by a firing squad in Jerez, but my father's aunt Angela, the sister of my grandfather, used what influence she had left, loaded some of their possessions onto a train headed to Chihuahua, and got them out of Jerez just in time. I don't think anyone kept records of those that had been executed or scheduled for execution.

My father's cousin, the son of Angela, [born in Colorado as was I] told me that his mother had told him that somewhere along the way from Jerez to Chihuahua the Mexican authorities confiscated all her large "petaquillas" [trunks], so all her records, photos, and mementos were gone. She told him that the trunks had also contained the military uniforms, gunbelts, etc. of her brother and husband.

I think they spent some time in Chihuahua, but Gorgonia was left behind in Jerez in her grave as were her parents, if they were even from Jerez. My father's cousin has no idea of the time frame for their travels. My father and his father's generations are all long gone. They could have left Jerez as early as 1909, but didn't cross over the border until 1916-1917 never to return to Mexico. I know that his Olague grandfather, Pedro, died when he was just a toddler because my father remembered him. I think his grandfather raised him after his mother Gorgonia died. Pedro didn't live to cross the border, only his wife Rafaela did.

Health issues (my kidneys have failed) keep me from going out to the FHC and ordering more films. I only get out to see doctors and take tests, etc. We have been to SLC twice and my husband likes that city a lot, so I will try to get there before I get worse or later if I get better. That is the best way to view films there where they have them all. In the meantime, I can only hope that Family Search will put up the Zacatecas records online for us, the sooner the better.

Thanks,

Emilie

> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:30:50 -0600
> From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16
>
> So from what you are telling me I am assuming that you have looked at the
> Información Matrimonial prior to your fathers birth as well as the
> Matrimonios? Did you find the death record for your GMother Gorgonia?
> Normally people where married in the locality where the bride is from. But
> the Banns are "normally" published in both localities. Have you looked at
> military records they might have additional information, who knows?

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

I was talking about military records in the United States also Ancestry has
World War I draft records amongst others. There might be information there.
You might also want to look at relatives of Gorgonia brothers, sisters,
etc., that might have remained in México. Their descendants might have
additional information.

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

Dear Ed,

I have looked at the WWI records in Ancestry. I found some records for my father's cousins, but they are the sons of my grandfather's brother Ygnacio Olague who crossed the border with him and they are not related to my father's grandmother Gorgonia.

I can't track relatives of Gorgonia because I don't know who Gorgonia's siblings and their descendants were. I have tried finding records for anyone born to Ygnacio Garcia and Maria Gaudalupe Rodriguez, her parents, and find nothing, not Gorgonia or any siblings.

There just are no records in Mexico for my father, even, or his only sibling, or their mother Gorgonia. I was hoping to find Ygnacio and Maria Guadalupe in Jerez (marriage, birth, children). I find nothing.

My father himself went to Jerez in 1965 and tried to track down anyone who remembered his parents and could find no one after fifty years of having been gone from there. He did hire a lawyer and paid the court for a belated birth certificate and listing in the Civil Registry which had not been done at his birth.

There were two witnesses during the court proceeding who claimed that they had known his parents, but they must be dead now. Did you read my e-mail about who those men were? They had surnames (Escobedo and Soriano) that appear among my father's ancestors, and I have tried to look for those men in the Jerez records and I don't find them. They could just have been neighbors or maybe my father just paid them to be his witnesses.

I have tried contacting people in Jerez to see if they know of those men via e-mail but I get no response, or I get promises from those who have lived in the US and moved back to Jerez to search for me, but I never hear from them again.

One person did send me a list of the Olagues that he found still living in Jerez, but I don't speak enough Spanish to contact them. If my father couldn't get any information on his relatives (he would have told us if he had found a distant cousin, etc.) then I don't know how I can do it.

I guess I will have that brick wall until Family Search puts more records online.

Thanks sincerely,

Emilie

> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:20:38 -0600
> From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16
>
> I was talking about military records in the United States also Ancestry has
> World War I draft records amongst others. There might be information there.
> You might also want to look at relatives of Gorgonia brothers, sisters,
> etc., that might have remained in México. Their descendants might have
> additional information.

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

If you provide more information, like the name of the siblings, (uncles and
aunts of your father) of your grandfather then maybe someone in the group
could look for those border crossings on Ancestry.com

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

Comment

Ed,

I have been a subscriber of Ancestry.com for years.

My father Guadalupe Olague had only one sibling, Soledad Olague who crossed over in 1917 with her paternal grandmother Rafaela Tinajero "to join her father". My grandfather came over first and found a job on the railroad in the Texas panhandle. From there he went to Morgan County, CO where they raised beets. His father's brother was Ygnacio Olague and he came over with Francisco around 1913, and he brought his wife Guadalupe and his children also.

In the census records for 1920 and 1930 they all lived in the same place and were the only Hispanics in that town, Snyder, CO, Morgan County. I was born there in 1939. During WWII we all moved to California, where my father and his cousins found jobs as welders at the Alameda shipyards working on Liberty Ships. My father's last job was as a welder at the Westinghouse plant in Sunnyvale, CA.

Thanks,

Emilie

> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:13:51 -0600
> From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16
>
> If you provide more information, like the name of the siblings, (uncles and
> aunts of your father) of your grandfather then maybe someone in the group
> could look for those border crossings on Ancestry.com

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

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Eduardo,

Thank you for your help. I apologize for the delay in my response. I found some info on my grandfather. I now have my great grandmother's name, it was Felipa Valdez. One of his sister's was Maria Dolores.
>From what I know, he was the only one who came over. I have searched the border crossings on Ancestry. com & I found my grandfather & grandmother on them. I don't know who his uncles or aunts were but I will continue to search.

Thanks again,
Barbara Guerrero
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:13 AM
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Francisco Olague

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Emilie:

you go www.familysearch.org after you put searches .. FRancisco Olague and go to Pedigree source file
5487396-0302109164940

[refine search] [Print]

Do you talk with Salvador Cabral Valdez? he is a wonderfull person I don't Know if he is in member of nuestros ranchos but inthe other genealogy forum I think yes, many times he helps every body and the information I will give you is from him.. in his page you can get or ask him from you father and family Francisco Olague 17 sep 1872 Salitrillo Zacatecas son of Pedro Olague and Rafaela Tinajero..he has all your tree he is an expert in Zacatecas and a good person..

http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/

your grandfather you can find im here:
h/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=AncestorSearchResults.asp%3Ffirst%5Fname%3DRafael%26last%5Fname%3DReynoso%2By%2BMartinez%26fathers%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26fathers%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26mothers%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26mothers%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26spouses%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26spouses%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26from%5Fdate%3D%26to%5Fdate%3D%26date%5Frange%3D%26standardize%3D%26juris1index%3D%26juris2index%3D%26juris1friendly%3D%26juris2friendly%3D%26event%5Findex%3D%26testing%3D%26juris1%3D%26juris2%3D%26juris3%3D

saludos Lety Reynoso

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: as HOT as always
www.hotmailhotness.com.mx

Francisco Olague

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Lety -

Yes, Salvador, who is a member of NR, and another person in Mexico City and one in Jerez and one in California are the ones who were able to help me the most with my trees on my Olague/Arellano side. In fact, Salvador's tree is the same as mine when you go back several generations, and he downloaded my tree from Rootsweb and he merged it with his so that I could get those ancestors we share from way back in the 1700s and late 1600s. I just haven't uploaded my revised tree to NR yet because I don't know how.

What happened is that the records in Jerez are almost complete for the Olague/Arellano, but there is nothing on my father himself or his sister or his mother's parents. I think the records from 1890 to 1903 were burned or maybe not microfilmed, or my father and his sister were not baptized. I can't find a marriage record for Francisco and Gorgonio either.

Thank you for your time; I appreciate it.

Emilie

Port Orchard, Washington State, USA

> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:19:25 -0600
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisco Olague
> > >
> Emilie:
>
> you go www.familysearch.org after you put searches .. FRancisco Olague and go to Pedigree source file
> 5487396-0302109164940
> > > >
> Do you talk with Salvador Cabral Valdez? he is a wonderfull person I don't Know if he is in member of nuestros ranchos but inthe other genealogy forum I think yes, many times he helps every body and the information I will give you is from him.. in his page you can get or ask him from you father and family Francisco Olague 17 sep 1872 Salitrillo Zacatecas son of Pedro Olague and Rafaela Tinajero..he has all your tree he is an expert in Zacatecas and a good person..
>
> > http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/
>
> your grandfather you can find im here:
> h/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=AncestorSearchResults.asp%3Ffirst%5Fname%3DRafael%26last%5Fname%3DReynoso%2By%2BMartinez%26fathers%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26fathers%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26mothers%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26mothers%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26spouses%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26spouses%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26from%5Fdate%3D%26to%5Fdate%3D%26date%5Frange%3D%26standardize%3D%26juris1index%3D%26juris2index%3D%26juris1friendly%3D%26juris2friendly%3D%26event%5Findex%3D%26testing%3D%26juris1%3D%26juris2%3D%26juris3%3D
>
> >
> saludos Lety Reynoso
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>

Olague

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We have a Francisco Olague crist 21 sep 1872 son of Pedro Olague and Rafaela Feliz C600838 0445163 tepetongo Zacatecas.. I thik is the same born in Salitrillo because the parents are the same the second name of Rafaela Tinajero is Feliz... Rafaela Tinajero Feliz... they married 21 mar 1863 Tepetongo Zacatecas she is crist 23 oct 1843 daugter of Hilario Tinajero Feliz and Maria Teodosia de jesus Flores Feliz Suriano I think what Pedro Olague is Pedro Olague Torres born in 1831 tepetongo, son of Ysidro Olague and Norberta Torres C600834 film0445159 but for that you need see the married record of Rafaela and Pedro M606212 film 0445237
21 mar 1863 Tepetongo Zacatecas

Lety reynoso..tell us more about Gorgonia...

_________________________________________________________________
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Olague

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Lety -

Yes, those are my great grandparents Pedro and Rafaela. They were from Tepetongo and Salitrillo. Pedro died in Mexico, but Rafaela came to the US with some of her sons and daughters and she died in Colorado in 1941. She lived to be almost 100 years old, but I don't remember her.

For some reason Rafaela and her brothers and sisters used various surnames from one record to another: Tinajero, Felix, Flores, Suriano, others. Hilario and Teodosia were her parents, but Pedro's parents in his marriage record were Jose Santiago Olague and Eduviges Suriano. Hilario also used different surnames: Tinajero, Felix. Some of the Felix Arellano changed their name to Tinajero---I don't know why.

I am also descended from the de la Torre, but that is way, way back.

I wish I could tell you more about Gorgonia, but she died when my father was still a baby, and all he knew about his mother was her name and the names of her parents. I have been looking for years for Gorgonia and her parents, Ygnacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez, and I can't find anything.

Thank you again,

Emilie

> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:41:32 -0600
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Olague
>
>
> We have a Francisco Olague crist 21 sep 1872 son of Pedro Olague and Rafaela Feliz C600838 0445163 tepetongo Zacatecas.. I thik is the same born in Salitrillo because the parents are the same the second name of Rafaela Tinajero is Feliz... Rafaela Tinajero Feliz... they married 21 mar 1863 Tepetongo Zacatecas she is crist 23 oct 1843 daugter of Hilario Tinajero Feliz and Maria Teodosia de jesus Flores Feliz Suriano I think what Pedro Olague is Pedro Olague Torres born in 1831 tepetongo, son of Ysidro Olague and Norberta Torres C600834 film0445159 but for that you need see the married record of Rafaela and Pedro M606212 film 0445237
> 21 mar 1863 Tepetongo Zacatecas >
>
> Lety reynoso..tell us more about Gorgonia...
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> ¿Te crees fan de Messenger? Compruébalo
> www.vivirmessenger.com

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol in, Issue 16, 1903 Jerez Bapt

Comment

Dear Emilie:
Did you also check film 0439868? This film also had baptisms for 1903. I usually check the film before or after if the years are duplicated. They may have the 1st part of the year on one film, then the second on the other.
Worth a try if you have not already done so. By the way, my mother-in-law was also told the church records had burned, but lo and behold, the LDS had all the records on film for her family. I was happy to give her a copy of her baptism.

Maureen Bejar

Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol in, Issue 16, 1903 Jerez Bapt

Comment

Hi, Maureen,

Yes I have checked both 0439867 1899-1903) and 0439868 (1903-1907) and did not find my father. I did find some of his first cousins. I also checked the film for the Civil Registry 1081921 for 1903-1904 and found nothing, but then my father knew he hadn't been registered in the Civil Registry since he went there himself in 1965 and he had to pay a lawyer and the court to add him on.

Thanks,

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mytmo@netnitco.net
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:54:28 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol in, Issue 16, 1903 Jerez Bapt
>
> Dear Emilie:
> Did you also check film 0439868? This film also had baptisms for 1903. I usually check the film before or after if the years are duplicated. They may have the 1st part of the year on one film, then the second on the other.
> Worth a try if you have not already done so. By the way, my mother-in-law was also told the church records had burned, but lo and behold, the LDS had all the records on film for her family. I was happy to give her a copy of her baptism.
>
> Maureen Bejar
>
>

Brick Walls---

Comment

Irma,

That's great news that you benefitted from the help of someone who volunteered to help with someone's brick wall.

I hope to assist one of our newest members with the beginning of his research and while it might not be a "brick wall" per say, it is a wall.

In the beginning, you don't really have a clear path or idea as to how to begin or proceed with your research, thus if feels like a brick wall.

Thanks everyone for your input.
Alicia

________________________________
From: "Gomezlucero, Irma"
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:01:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

I agree that this was a great idea to pose our brick walls to those who attended the conference. As a member of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society, we have some of our brick walls posted on our website already.
Earlier this month, I attended the Conference, and have already benefited from this exercise. Another attendee, Jerry Munoz was able to help me with one of my brick walls. His assistance helped me greatly with my San Juan de los Lagos, Jal. del Portillo and Gallardo lines. I only hope that I can help the individual whose information I drew. I am working on it.

I look forward to attending the next conference in Southern California. I hope that Ranchos members from the south can make it happen.

Irma Gomez Gtz.
N. Calif.

Matrimonio de Refugio Cortez adn Alejandra Hernandez

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Ok I need to move on here. I need help finding a marriage records between

Trancripcion de Testamentos/ Testament Transcriptions

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Comments

Otro documento util para tus transcripciones

Comment

Este es un guia muy bueno explicando terminologia tipica en documentos coloniales espanoles...

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16242

sugerencia.: grafias

Comment

como bien comentas seria util tener una seccion de ayuda con palabras y frases, ademas seria bueno incluir las variaciones en las grafias o letras utilizadas por ejemplo:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/17706

Miguel Beltran

sugerencia.: grafias

Comment

Miguel gracias por la sugerencia te envio el Link para empezar cuanto
antes..

Gracias!!

http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/

Espero nos sirva a todos!
Saludos!

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From:
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:28 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] sugerencia.: grafias

> como bien comentas seria util tener una seccion de ayuda co palabras y
> frases, ademas seria util incluir las variaciones en las grafias o letras
> utilizadas por ejemplo:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/17706
>
> Miguel Beltran

Claudia Casillas.

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CLAUDIA , QUE BUENO QUE HUBO ALGUIEN QUE SE PREOCUPARA POR LOS DOS IDIOMAS,

YO HABLO ESPANOL Y UN POCO DE INGLES PERO NO LO DOMINO MUCHO Y SIEMPRE QUE MIRO LOS E MAILS EN INGLES , EN OCASIONES LO

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El bilingüismo en Nuestros Ranchos

Comment

See english translation below

Martha:

Aunque parezca un poco raro, la mayoría de los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos radicamos en EE.UU. Muchos de los miembros no hablan ni escriben español. Otros no hablan si escriben inglés, así que se nos hace la cosa difícil. Estoy de acuerdo contigo que los miembros como Claudia que pueden escribir en ambos idiomas y toman el tiempo para hacerlo son una bendición pero tampoco podemos requerir que todo el mundo escriba en ambos idiomas.

Lo que te recomienda Claudia es usar el servicio de traducción de Google:

http://www.translate.google.com

Puedes simplemente poner una dirección de web (nuestrosranchos.org) y te traduce las páginas mientras navegas. Así puedes leer los mensajes en inglés.

Gracias por tu participación.

-----------------
ENGLISH

Martha:

Although it seems a little odd, most members of Nuestros Ranchos live in the U.S. Many members do not speak or write Spanish. Others do not speak or write English, so it complicates the situation. I agree with you that the members such as Claudia who can write in both languages and take the time to do so are a blessing but we cannot require everyone to write in both languages.

Claudia recommended that you use the Google translation service:

http://www.translate.google.com

You can simply put a web address (nuestrosranchos.org) and it translates the pages while you browse. In this manner you can read messages written in English.

Thank you for your participation.

MARTHA GOMEZ

Comment

Hola Marta. Que bueno que te servira el servicio de Google en linea para traducir los idiomas.

Introduction/Surname Escatel

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Hello group!!

My name is Martin Escatel and I have just recently acquired an interest in my family genealogy.

Rodriguez-Aramburu & Palafox (1740s Nochistlan)

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Hi everyone. I am stuck with these ancestors and wondering if any members have the same individuals listed in their databases.

Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 4

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"One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mothe

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Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 4

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Hello all,

I love to look at these coffin paintings from Fayum Egypt as a reminder of the wide dna sequences from the medittereanean and how those "looks" exist in us today. These are Greco Roman era paintings from Egypt

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/fayum-portrai…

Look at her eyes (1st painting)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits

Anyone see someone they know?

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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 7:45:27 AM
Subject: Re: Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 4

"One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
"

Hi Ricii

These are also present in mediterranean people in certain populations over all, mostly from the neolithic migrations across the planet, before any of the present religions were present. It would be logical to conclude that are mediterranean ancestors were part of the Roman empire.

Here's a great study done in 2001. The percentages per capita per geographic locations reveals that their are more non jews overall with the same dna y haplogroups than jews, specifically J1, J2. Significantly higher, we are talking about in the millions and millions.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MImg&_imagekey=B8JDD-4R29JBW-M…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)#J2

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4. Re: US Government Genealogy Resources (Alicia Carrillo)
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9. Re: Jewish evidence in Los Altos (eric edgar)
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:07:18 -0800 (PST)
From: robertzermeno@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Delgado from Rio Grande Zacatecas
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Hay alguien que tiene mas informacion sobre la familia Delgado do Rio Bravo, Zacatecas?

Esto es lo que tengo:

1) Julio Delgado (n. c. 1870) caso con Ger?nima L?pez
-----2) Perfecto Delgado (n. 6 May 1894 Rio Grande, Zacatecas) caso con Lina Medina
----------3) Antonio Delgado (n. 2 Sep 1905 Rio Grande, Zacatecas m. Jan 1978) caso con Natividad de la Fuente

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One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
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Hello R.A. Ricci, my family is from el Valle de Guadalupe. Is this docmented? Neither of my grandfathers r.i.p never said anything about this...please point me in the right direction...

Jewish Ancestry

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Hello-

I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel the mystery of who they are.

Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if anyone wants help.

-Miri AKA Myriam, a jew

Jewish Ancestry

Comment

Buenas tardes, quisiera emitir mi humilde opinión respecto a los comentarios emitidos sobre si los alteños somos descendientes de judios.

Indudable es que desde el descubrimiento de América que coincide con la expulsión de musulmanes y judios de España en 1492 comienza un exodo de éstas personas al mundo mediterraneo y a los nuevos territorios recién descubiertos, éstos hombres y algunas mujeres pasaron en un principio a la Española, Cuba y las Antillas y de ahí a América Continental, muchos musulmanes y principalmente judios conversos pasaron a la Nueva España ello ha sido demostrado en grandes obras de investigación histórica como Los Judios en la Nueva España o la Inquisición en Nueva España por sólo mencionar a algunos. Es un hecho que muchos hombres de los primeros pobladores y conquistadores no fueran hidalgos sino conversos con purezas de sangre compradas tal vez inventadas, eso era algo usual, una pureza de sangre expedida por un cura o notario de pueblo no significaba que fuera siempre real.

Pero de ahí a que los pobladores de Los Altos sean judios al punto de pretender con apellidos o costumbres demostrar el origen hebreo me parece totalmente absurdo, si un judio usara un apellido judio común en la época, para un converso sería delatarse ante todos, sería echarse la soga al cuello, y las costumbres de Los Altos como las de todo México y el Mundo Mediterraneo se parece a muchas tradiciones judias simplemente porque los judios han estado por miles de años en el Mediterraneo y en España.

Los pobladores de Los Altos son españoles no judios ni franceses ni ninguna otra cosa, es probable, casi seguro que tengamos algún antepasado judio converso de hace 500 años pero nuestro origen es España. No hay español que no tenga algún antepasado moro o judio de hace 5 siglos.

Asumamos eso, no busquemos lo que no somos, como dice el marqués de San Clemente: somos retoños de España.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ferraristeph@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 18:18:20 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
>
> Hello-
>
> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel the mystery of who they are.
>
> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if anyone wants help.
>
> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>
>

Jewish Ancestry

Comment

Any one else feel the need to kick a dead horse?

2010/3/9 Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez :
>
> Buenas tardes, quisiera emitir mi humilde opinión respecto a los comentarios emitidos sobre si los alteños somos descendientes de judios.
>
>
>
> Indudable es que desde el descubrimiento de América que coincide con la expulsión de musulmanes y judios de España en 1492 comienza un exodo de éstas personas al mundo mediterraneo y a los nuevos territorios recién descubiertos, éstos hombres y algunas mujeres pasaron en un principio a la Española, Cuba y las Antillas y de ahí a América Continental, muchos musulmanes y principalmente judios conversos pasaron a la Nueva España ello ha sido demostrado en grandes obras de investigación histórica como Los Judios en la Nueva España o la Inquisición en Nueva España por sólo mencionar a algunos. Es un hecho que muchos hombres de los primeros pobladores y conquistadores no fueran hidalgos sino conversos con purezas de sangre compradas tal vez inventadas, eso era algo usual, una pureza de sangre expedida por un cura o notario de pueblo no significaba que fuera siempre real.
>
>
>
> Pero de ahí a que los pobladores de Los Altos sean judios al punto de pretender con apellidos o costumbres demostrar el origen hebreo me parece totalmente absurdo, si un judio usara un apellido judio común en la época, para un converso sería delatarse ante todos, sería echarse la soga al cuello, y las costumbres de Los Altos como las de todo México y el Mundo Mediterraneo se parece a muchas tradiciones judias simplemente porque los judios han estado por miles de años en el Mediterraneo y en España.
>
>
>
> Los pobladores de Los Altos son españoles no judios ni franceses ni ninguna otra cosa, es probable, casi seguro que tengamos algún antepasado judio converso de hace 500 años pero nuestro origen es España. No hay español que no tenga algún antepasado moro o judio de hace 5 siglos.
>
>
>
> Asumamos eso, no busquemos lo que no somos, como dice el marqués de San Clemente: somos retoños de España.
>
>
>
> Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> From: ferraristeph@gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 18:18:20 -0800
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
>>
>> Hello-
>>
>> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel the mystery of who they are.
>>
>> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if anyone wants help.
>>
>> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>>
>>

Jewish Ancestry

Comment

Siempre es una delicia leer sus disertaciones en el ámbito histórico de Los Altos de Jalisco.
Ni duda cabe que 700 años de Al andaluz, dejarían huella imborrable en la herencia de la población española de la península y de sus colonias o regiones conquistadas.
Pero, de que dimensión es el reducto judío en ¨la sangre¨ del ciudadano común español hoy en día, con todo y las expulsiones ordenadas en su tiempo por Chabela la católica?

En una investigación reciente,
se establecía un perfil genético ibérico promedio en el que el 10.6% de los cromosomas de la
población española presenta características atribuibles a poblaciones
originarias del norte de África, mientras que el 20% provendría de los
ancestros judíos.

El estudio fue hecho
por Científicos de la Unidad de Biología Evolutiva de la Universitat Pompeu
Fabra de Barcelona, especializados en el estudio de la diversidad genética en
las poblaciones humanas. Han acometido la investigación más completa realizada
hasta ahora del ADN de las poblaciones de España, a través del análisis de 300.000
marcadores genéticos en individuos de 10 regiones.

Caso aparte el valenciano, donde la
herencia genética sefardí no supera el 15% mientras la norteafricana es mayor
que en el conjunto de España, un 13%, debido a la mayor influencia histórica de
los moriscos en la Comunitat Valenciana. Esta investigación fue publicada en el
American Journal of Human Genetics.
RESPETUOSAMENTEVICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL

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Comment

Vicente, con todo respeto "el judaismo es una religión no una raza", en africa puedes encontrar judios negros.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El sáb 13-mar-10, VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL escribió:

De:: VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: sábado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 12:57

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Comment

En el pasado, Los judios, como los altenos en los ultimos 500 anos se casaban entre familia entonces la genetica de este grupo tiene sus dna markers. Es verdad que es una religion y no una raza pero cuando un grupo no mas se casa entre familia por muchos anos se puede ver el la genetica Nosotros en los alto, los que descendemos de los primeros pobladores tambien tenemos nuestras marcas en el dna.
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From: ruben casillas moreno
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:14:40
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry

Vicente, con todo respeto "el judaismo es una religión no una raza", en africa puedes encontrar judios negros.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El sáb 13-mar-10, VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL escribió:

De:: VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: sábado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 12:57

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Comment

Estimado Rubén en el judaismo raza y religión es lo mismo, el caso que usted mensiona es un accidente producido por la diáspora judia y crame que la mayoría de los judios son muy racistas y a eso se debe en gran medida su conservación a través del tiempo.

Es por eso que me causa un poco de extrañeza como mucha gente trata de ser un "poco" judio mediante la búsqueda de sus antepasados judios.

El judaismo, "lo judío" se transmite por vientre, es como la esclavitud, lo dá la mujer, es judío el hijo de la judía. Para ellos los hijos de un judio con una goi como ellos llaman a las personas no judias, son bastardos y nunca serán judíos por más méritos o conversiones que hagan. Esa forma de ver el mundo se asentúa más en las comunidades judías pequeñas como la de México que no supera los 60mil judíos en todo el país, no así en Estados Unidos en donde la propia sociedad y cultura facilitan la asimilación en cada una de las comunidades.

Hasta pronto.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:14:40 -0800
> From: rubenazo_casillas@yahoo.com.mx
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
>
> Vicente, con todo respeto "el judaismo es una religión no una raza", en africa puedes encontrar judios negros.
>
> Ruben Casillas M.
>
> --- El sáb 13-mar-10, VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL escribió:
>
>
> De:: VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: sábado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 12:57
>
>
>
> Siempre es una delicia leer sus disertaciones en el ámbito histórico de Los Altos de Jalisco.
> Ni duda cabe que 700 años de Al andaluz, dejarían huella imborrable en la herencia de la población española de la península y de sus colonias o regiones conquistadas.
> Pero, de que dimensión es el reducto judío en ¨la sangre¨ del ciudadano común español hoy en día, con todo y las expulsiones ordenadas en su tiempo por Chabela la católica?
>
>
>
> En una investigación reciente,
> se establecía un perfil genético ibérico promedio en el que el 10.6% de los cromosomas de la
> población española presenta características atribuibles a poblaciones
> originarias del norte de África, mientras que el 20% provendría de los
> ancestros judíos.
>
> El estudio fue hecho
> por Científicos de la Unidad de Biología Evolutiva de la Universitat Pompeu
> Fabra de Barcelona, especializados en el estudio de la diversidad genética en
> las poblaciones humanas. Han acometido la investigación más completa realizada
> hasta ahora del ADN de las poblaciones de España, a través del análisis de 300.000
> marcadores genéticos en individuos de 10 regiones.
>
>
>
>
>
> Caso aparte el valenciano, donde la
> herencia genética sefardí no supera el 15% mientras la norteafricana es mayor
> que en el conjunto de España, un 13%, debido a la mayor influencia histórica de
> los moriscos en la Comunitat Valenciana. Esta investigación fue publicada en el
> American Journal of Human Genetics.
> RESPETUOSAMENTEVICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Comment

Muy estimado Rodolfo. Coincido con usted al cien por ciento.
Para Manuel Hernández Gómez del Colegio de Jalisco, en Los
Altos., Atotonilco y Teocaltiche se tuvieron los primeros asentamientos de judíos
conversos. En Tepatitlán, la cúpula de la parroquia de San Francisco está
rodeada de estrellas de David, símbolo del pueblo judío.

La influencia cultural judía está presente en el sistema patriarcal, donde el hombre más
viejo toma las decisiones en todos los órdenes respecto a su familia.

Asentado en su libro "La presencia judía en el México
colonial".Antes de que me destrocen a este autor como al Dr. Gutiérrez, les digo que de entrada los argumentos que expone me parecen blandengues., sin embargo, durante 16 años que trabajé para distintintas instituciones de crédito en Guadalajara, Los Altos y El Bajío, conocí muchísima gente hombres y mujeres que conservan rasgos morfológicos (sobre todo faciales), de extraordinario parecido con los israelitas de la actualidad. Claro, ellos son mexicanos comunes como el mole y no andan pensando si descienden de aquellos o tales ancestros, pues nada tienen que ver con la actual comunidad israelita de Guadalajara puante y emprendedora, por ejemplo. Para el mexicano ordinario, poseer 3 ó 4 gotas de sangre judía, no lo hace judío, pues este hecho no pasa de ser un accidente en grado de conceptualización aristotélica, además de que en general y lejos de todo ánimo de ser discriminatorio, el serlo tiene para la gente común un cierto tinte de tacañería y avaricia. Prometo no polemizar mas al respecto.Saludos.Vicente de San Miguel

> From: bensinai@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:21:57 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
>
>
> Estimado Rubén en el judaismo raza y religión es lo mismo, el caso que usted mensiona es un accidente producido por la diáspora judia y crame que la mayoría de los judios son muy racistas y a eso se debe en gran medida su conservación a través del tiempo.
>
>
>
> Es por eso que me causa un poco de extrañeza como mucha gente trata de ser un "poco" judio mediante la búsqueda de sus antepasados judios.
>
>
>
> El judaismo, "lo judío" se transmite por vientre, es como la esclavitud, lo dá la mujer, es judío el hijo de la judía. Para ellos los hijos de un judio con una goi como ellos llaman a las personas no judias, son bastardos y nunca serán judíos por más méritos o conversiones que hagan. Esa forma de ver el mundo se asentúa más en las comunidades judías pequeñas como la de México que no supera los 60mil judíos en todo el país, no así en Estados Unidos en donde la propia sociedad y cultura facilitan la asimilación en cada una de las comunidades.
>
>
>
> Hasta pronto.
>
>
>
> Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:14:40 -0800
> > From: rubenazo_casillas@yahoo.com.mx
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> >
> > Vicente, con todo respeto "el judaismo es una religión no una raza", en africa puedes encontrar judios negros.
> >
> > Ruben Casillas M.
> >
> > --- El sáb 13-mar-10, VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL escribió:
> >
> >
> > De:: VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
> > Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> > A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Fecha: sábado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 12:57
> >
> >
> >
> > Siempre es una delicia leer sus disertaciones en el ámbito histórico de Los Altos de Jalisco.
> > Ni duda cabe que 700 años de Al andaluz, dejarían huella imborrable en la herencia de la población española de la península y de sus colonias o regiones conquistadas.
> > Pero, de que dimensión es el reducto judío en ¨la sangre¨ del ciudadano común español hoy en día, con todo y las expulsiones ordenadas en su tiempo por Chabela la católica?
> >
> >
> >
> > En una investigación reciente,
> > se establecía un perfil genético ibérico promedio en el que el 10.6% de los cromosomas de la
> > población española presenta características atribuibles a poblaciones
> > originarias del norte de África, mientras que el 20% provendría de los
> > ancestros judíos.
> >
> > El estudio fue hecho
> > por Científicos de la Unidad de Biología Evolutiva de la Universitat Pompeu
> > Fabra de Barcelona, especializados en el estudio de la diversidad genética en
> > las poblaciones humanas. Han acometido la investigación más completa realizada
> > hasta ahora del ADN de las poblaciones de España, a través del análisis de 300.000
> > marcadores genéticos en individuos de 10 regiones.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Caso aparte el valenciano, donde la
> > herencia genética sefardí no supera el 15% mientras la norteafricana es mayor
> > que en el conjunto de España, un 13%, debido a la mayor influencia histórica de
> > los moriscos en la Comunitat Valenciana. Esta investigación fue publicada en el
> > American Journal of Human Genetics.
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> >
> >
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Comment

Estimados miembros de NR,
Tenia entendido que opiniones hacerca de este tema no iban a continuar en Foro de Investigacion, a reserva de aportaciones donde informacion bien documentada de caracter genealogico (nombres, fechas y lugares). Creo que opiniones de este tipo no tienen lugar en este foro, sino en el Foro General. Alguien lo dijo bien, hasta cuando vamos a "seguir pateando al caballo muerto?"

Dear members of NR,
I was under the impresion that specific guidelines were given regarding stop using the Research Forum to give opinion on the subject, and only use this Forum when well documented genealogical information (names, dates, and localities) is provided. I concur that there is no room for opinions in this specific Forum. Instead, they should be posted in the General Forum. Someone put it this way: For how long are we going to beat this dead horse?

Sincerely

Jaime

Jewish Ancestry

Comment

I have traced my acestry to 2 different rabbis living in Spain before the expulsion. My actestors were members of the Carabajal de Cueva group that landed in Tampico and colonized NE Mexico. One of these lines was through the Saldivar line. The other was through my Morales line. Can't get more jewish than that.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------

> Hello-
> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel
> the mystery of who they are.
> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if
> anyone wants help.
>
> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>
>

Jewish Ancestry

Comment

Esther, do you know if this is part of your de la Cueva Carabajal line? This record is from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and the Caldera line goes back to Maria Cid Caldera, sister of El Capitan Miguel Caldera.

Marriage: 5 June 1732 in Jerez
Manuel de la Cueva y Carabajal
parents: Lasaro de la Cueva and Juana Lopes, deceased
with: Maria Magdalena Caldera, Espanola
parents: Joseph Caldera and Alfonsa Ortis
padrinos: Juan de Medrano and Xabal Roman
source: church marriage record #0440059

________________________________
From: "eaherold@att.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 2:08:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry

-------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------

Jewish Ancestry

Comment

My Sanchez Navarro line goes toMelchora Sanchez Navarro, daughter of Juan Navarro and Maria Rodriguez, daughter of Baltazar Castano de Sosa, brother of Gaspar Castano de Sosa(explored New Mexico and captured by Inquisition) and Inez Rodriguez, daughter of Diego Montemayor and his wife Inez Rodriguez. Diego Montemayor was Carbajal's Lt Governor.
Castano de SOsa met Carbajal when he landed in Tampico and were his friends and came before him.

I also descend from Melchora's other sister's, Beatriz and Inez. Beatriz married (1)Alonso de Sosa Albernoz and had a daughter Ana de Sosa who married a Zaldivar. Inez married a Martinez who I believe came with Carbajal. His dna looks semetic.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------

Esther, do you know if this is part of your de la Cueva Carabajal line? This record is from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and the Caldera line goes back to Maria
> Cid Caldera, sister of El Capitan Miguel Caldera.
>
> Marriage: 5 June 1732 in Jerez
> Manuel de la Cueva y Carabajal
> parents: Lasaro de la Cueva and Juana Lopes, deceased
> with: Maria Magdalena Caldera, Espanola
> parents: Joseph Caldera and Alfonsa Ortis
> padrinos: Juan de Medrano and Xabal Roman
> source: church marriage record #0440059
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "eaherold@att.net"
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 2:08:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> I have traced my acestry to 2 different rabbis living in Spain before the expulsion. My actestors were members of the Carabajal de Cueva group that landed in Tampico and colonized NE Mexico. One of these lines was through the Saldivar line. The other was through my Morales line. Can't get more jewish
> than that.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------
>
>
> > Hello-
> > I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this
> topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel
> > the mystery of who they are.
> > Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and
> finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is
> presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a
> "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems
> pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the
> last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in
> fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking
> and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean
> blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if
> > anyone wants help.
> >
> > -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
> >
> >
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Comment

Luis Carbajal landed at Tampico in the mid 1500s. Most of his line was extinguished by the Inquisition about 1592. I descend from passengers that were with him when he landed. They came ffrom Portugal. SOme of his sisters married but their descendands did not carry the CUeva Carbahal name.
Some of his brothers escaped to Italy but changed their name to Lambrusco.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------

Jewish Ancestry

Comment

thank you Esther for checking for me.. I appreciate your efforts.

Linda in Marietta

________________________________
From: "eaherold@att.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 11:49:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry

-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------

Esther A. Herold-Saldivar

Comment

Hello there Esther ,

It´s been awhile that you and I have talked . My interest in you mail is through the Saldivar line .

By any chance do you have the migration of the Saldivars that ended up in Nuevo Leon . My connection to them is through my GG Grandmother Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez married to Candelario Alvarado . They married 26 of Oct. 1844 in the Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leon .

Best to you ,

Welester

> I have traced my acestry to 2 different rabbis living in Spain before the expulsion. My actestors were members of the Carabajal de Cueva group that landed in Tampico and colonized NE Mexico. One of these lines was through the Saldivar line. The other was through my Morales line. Can't get more jewish than that.
> --
> Esther A. Herold

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Miri,

Jose Esquibel has traced our Onate/Saldivar line to Abraham ha Levi and his son Solomon Ha Levi who were rabbis in Burgos, Spain. I know Solomon converted to Catholicism but I am looking for more information on the line. I know that Abraham was supposedly a friend of the King of Spain but do know know more than that. It wasn't the Abraham Ha Levi that was a poet. I think that one lived in a different part of Eurpoe.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------

Jewish Ancestry

Comment

If I recall correctly they were businessmen with a highly regarded reputation of honesty and follow through.
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-----Original Message-----
From: eaherold@att.net
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:16:29
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry

Miri,

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