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Yeah I Noticed one of my Ancestors did, I wonder if it was arranged marriage... : (

You might have an error not sure, but Juan Sanchez de LAra did not marry Maria Hurtado de Mendoza, he marriedMarta Sanchez de Mendoza. Ive always wondered why two daughters of Toribio and ISabel used Sanchez de Mendozainstead like the other daughters used Hurtado de Mendoza, This Sanchez might be a clue on the ancestry of ISabel.
Daniel

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> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 22:41:52 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez de Mendoza?
>
> What about jose sanchez de mendoza married to maria orosco? Who are their parents? Is jose also a son of juan becerra and ana sanchez de mendoza? Or is he the son of maria hurtado de mendoza and Juan sanchez de lara? How about Juana Sanchez married to Cristobal Munoz de hermosillo. What about Maria Sanchez married to Pedro Ramirez de Mendoza?
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> Hola Jorge ya que me ayudastes con mis Gomez de Mendoza, ahora es mi turno ayudarte!
> Pues aqui esta, en el matrimonio fechado 5 Feb 1698 en Ayo el Chico se encuentra el matrimonio
> de Nicolas de Barjas Oleas y Catarina Galindo. Hija de Cristobal de Beserra y Cornelia Ruis de
> Velasco. Tus Becerras son los mismos que poblaron Jalos, Lagos, Tepa y Aguascalientes, Los
> Fernandez de Becerra. Tu Catarina uso el apellido de su abuela. Cristobal de Becerra es hijo
> de Juan (Fernandez) de Becerra y Catalina Galindo. En turno Juan es hijo de Juan Fernandez de
> BEcerra y Ana Sanchez de Mendoza. y Ana es hija de los ilustros Toribio Hernandez de Arellano
> y Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza. No he estudiado bastante sobre esta Cornelia Ruiz de Velasco, pero
> aun cuando encuentro informacion sobre ella te dire. Daniel Mendez de Camino

This Jose Sanchez de MEndoza was son of Bartolome Martin del Campoand Maria Sanchez de Mendoza. This Maria in turn was daughter of JuanSanchez de Lara and Marta Sanchez de Mendoza. Marta was daughter ofToribio and ISabel. Maria Tello de Orozco was daughter of Francisco T. de Orozco and Ana Francisca Hernandez. Juana Sanchez de Mendoza who marriedCristobal Munoz de HErmosillo was daughter of Lazaro Sanchez de Mendozaand Geronima Rodriguez de Chavarria. So they were related. Jose Sanchezand Juana Sanchez were cousins and Jose Sanchez and Lazaro Sanchez wereboth sons of BArtolome de San Lazaro MARTIN DEL CAMPO and Maria Sanchezde Mendoza. I still wonder why these two did not take Martin del Campo but thematernal name of Mendoza, we know Mendoza had a more importance during thesetimes. Oh, Maria Sanchez who married PEdro Ramirez de Mendoza was daughterof the same Lazaro and Geronima Rodriguez
Daniel
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Greetings Grupo,
I have Marcos de Sepulbeda married to Margarita Franco 08/Feb/1717 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco.  This much is definite.  What I need help with is whether this is Marcos de Sepulbeda Lomellin born 20/Sep/1695 in Nochistlan, Zac.  or  Marcos Xavier Zepulbeda Casillas born 02/May/1696 in Zapotlan El Grande, Cuidad Guzman, Jalisco,  and verification that Margarita Franco Garcia born 23/July/1696 is the right woman in the Tepatitlan marriage.  Any help with line will be greatly appreciated.    
Alice    

Do you know of a Mariana Gonzalez de Hermosillo married to a Diego Flores Alatorre?

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo

To:  Rick Rodriguez

This is the information that I have, I hope it helps to answer your question about the Gonzalez de Hermosillo and the Gonzalez Rubio.

Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was married to Maria Rubio
Their son: Francisco Gutierrez de La Vega Y Rubio B:1551 married Ana Gonzalez Florida in 1576 , Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.  Source: LDS Batch F868025 Film 1396255.

Their children:
Ana Gonzalez Florida II (1594-1672)
Capt. Miguel Gutierrez Rubio
Maria Gonzalez (abt. 1577)
Diego Gonzalez Rubio (abt. 1597)
Francisco Gutierrez Rubio II (abt.1595)
Catalina Gutierrez Rubio (abt.1597-1667)

Notice their last names: Capt. Miguel, Francisco, and Catalina used "Gutierrez Rubio"
Diego used "Gonzalez Rubio".  Maria used "Gonzalez". Ana used "Gonzalez Florida, like her mother.

Diego Gonzalez Rubio married Polonia de Torres.

I guess the answer to your question about the relation between the Gonzalez de Hermosillo and the Gonzalez Rubio, is that, Diego Gonzalez Rubio was the son of Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
 

Conecta unos con los otros tal i cual como es la relacion, y el programa se encarga de las relaciones.
Buena suerte,

Anna Arellano Smith, california

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayuda!!! Como meter informacion al programa paf cuando las lineas se entrecruzan?

  Amigos del foro, tengo este problema.El papa de mi abuela se caso con una hermana de mi abuelo o sea su cunada, tiene medios hermanos que son a la vez sobrinos de mi abuelo, es algo confuso y no se si debo duplicar los datos o como se documenta para que el programa no los tome como otros individuos.Agradezco de antemano su ayuda.Sin mas por el momento, espero su respuesta.

J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

p.d. Alguien investiga Jalpa,Zac y alrededores y Asientos,Ags?

Hola, mira respecto a tu pregunta, lo que tienes que hacer es que poner a la senora que mencionas en la parte superior  y cuando esta en azul . te vas a la parte de arriba y ahi dice add entonces haces click ahi, y te va a salir individual , family , spouse y haces click en spouse, y si esa persona que vas a ponerla como esposo de ella ya existe en tu file, entonces te va a salir un casillero que dice   add new individual or  select existing individual y como tu ya lo tienes ( creo) entonces le dices select existing individual, entonces te va a preguntar que numero de rin tiene. asi que antes de poner esos datos primero fijate que numero de rin tiene la persona para que no se dupliquen entonces solo dices select existing individual y le pones el numero de rin y el programa automaticamente lo acomoda.

bueno espero que te sirva esta informacion . ojala y no te confunda mas.

Martha Gomez
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayuda!!! Como meter informacion al programa paf cuando las lineas se entrecruzan?

   Amigos del foro, tengo este problema.El papa de mi abuela se caso con una hermana de mi abuelo o sea su cunada, tiene medios hermanos que son a la vez sobrinos de mi abuelo, es algo confuso y no se si debo duplicar los datos o como se documenta para que el programa no los tome como otros individuos.Agradezco de antemano su ayuda.Sin mas por el momento, espero su respuesta.

J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

p.d. Alguien investiga Jalpa,Zac y alrededores y Asientos,Ags?

Esther,

I'm sorry about your father in-law and his passing.

Isn't that what happens to all of us, we don't realize what a treasure trove of stories and history lie within the elders in our family and it's not until they're gone that we realize the loss not only of that person but everything they took with them about their life.

I knew my Nuestros Ranchos family would understand and I hoped that even if it was only one person who was re-energized it would be worth sharing.

Thanks Esther and don't give up on your husband's family history!!

Alicia

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Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 7:23:46 PM
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Alicia,

That is such a touching story! I have been asked numerous times why I was so interested in genealogy. As a matter of fact, my husband was not convinced that it was of much importance and felt that I was just "spinning my wheels", until just this year. My husband's father passed away, and with him went his entire family's history. Unfortunately, his mother died many years ago and he did not have a good relationship with his father. Initially, I tried to speak to his father about his family, but my husband discouraged it. Instead, I focused on my side of my family and have been able to trace my roots back to the 1780's. With the loss of his father, he is now beginning to understand.....

Thanks for that wonderful story, Alicia. I feel inspired to pursue my husband's genealogy - someday it may be my own son who might be wondering about his history!

-Esther Reynoso Valencia

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Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:28:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why we do Genealogical Research
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Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,

I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.

This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.

I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.

My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!

Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.

When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured

When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.

Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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What a great and inspiring story. We just never know the impact we are
making on those we share our roots with.

thanks Alicia for what you are doing for your family and what you are
doing for the nuestrosranchos.org group as our premiere volunteer
fighting spam from reaching our inboxes.

thanks,

joseph

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Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,
>
> I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.
>
> This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.
>
> I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.
>
> My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!
>
> Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.
>
> When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured
>
> When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
> I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.
>
> Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif

Marta,

Si hablo y escribo un poco en epañol.

Fue un placer compartir esta historia con historiadores de familia.

Puesto que nuestro hobby es algo laborioso y no siempre tenemos la oportunidad de compartir algo que nos trae tanta satisfaccion como el encontrar familia perdida o desconocida y que nos da a saber lo mucho que agradecio el fruto de nuestro trabajo y el encontrar nuestro parentesco.

Maria,

I do speak and write spanish.

It was a pleasure to share this story with those who are family historians.
Our hobby is quite labor intensive and we don't always get the opportunity to share something that brings such deep rewards like finding lost or unknown family members who let us know what it means to them to make that family connection and who appreciate our hard work.

Thanks to Joseph, Angelina, Paul and Margie, my extended Mexican family on Nuestros Ranchos for your kind words.

Gracias a Joseph, Angelina, Paul y Margie, my familia Mexicana de Nuestros Ranchos, por esas palabras que dan mucho animo.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 7:35:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] HOLA ALICIA

Espero que hables espanol. bueno creo que si , me encanto tu historia y como alguien te dijo , tambien a mi me conmovio tu historia . muchas gracias por compartirla , a mi tambien me encanta visitar a parientes en Mexico y compartirles mi arbol genealogico. me super encanta la historia familiar.

Martha Gomez

Caroline Sanders

I was on the site two days ago and I received the same message.

Most sites conduct their maintenance in the late hours so not to disterb traffic on the site. Perhaps it is a much larger issue at hand.

Antonio Orellana
I dont know but i also got that message saying some sort of clean up...

According to this article, Leobardo Reynoso's last name was Gutierrez, not Estrada and he was born in Juchipila, Zacatecas on 18 January 1902, son of Brigido Reynoso and Maria Gutierrez.

http://www.oem.com.mx/esto/notas/n1060197.htm

That would make him this person:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordResults&s…

There is then a Brigido Reynoso born in Zacatecas in 1882, son of Santos Reynoso and Aurelia Rodriguez, who is a pretty good candidate for being his father.

Roxanneocampo...there is a list of Ynacio &  Eugenia Ocampos' family, filed by a Ms Sweet, in Family search.org...Raul Luna

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From: roxanneocampo@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films for Juchipila, Zac.
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:59 PM

The Family History library catalog does not list church records for Juchipila, Zacatecas prior to 1814.  I'm looking for the record of Ygnacio Ocampo baptized in Moyahua or Contitlan abt. 1764 (married to Eugenia Carrillo).

How would I locate these records?  Thanks for any information, Roxanne Ocampo

I have Jose Fernando's baptism on 10 Jun 1782 in Jalos. So likely Santiago and Maria married prior to 1782.I also have Joaquin Timoteo baptized 29 Aug 1779 in Jalos and Maria Regina on 13 Sep 1795 also in Jalos.On Fernando's record the mother is listed as Maria Vitala Jimenez de Castro while the other just show asMaria Jimenez de Castro. I also have Maria Valentina de la Santisima Trinidad baptized 18 Feb 1793 in San Juande los Lagos Maybe this has a lead?
Daniel

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> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:07:23 +0000
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reynoso brickwall
>
> Now that you mention the reynoso family, you have reminded me That I have a semi brickwall. Santiago reynoso married to maria jimenez de castro. Santiago and maria were married most likely before 1795 in jalos or san juan de los lagos area. He lived in jalos where he was one of the towns administrators. My cousin descends from his son fernando.
> I said semi brickwall because I do have a solid lead that I have not had a chance to follow up on that most likely will give me more info. I will not be able to visit the library soon. The LA library is still closed due to renovations.
> Does anyone know Santiago/Diego Reynoso and maria jimenez de castro's parents?
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> Randy McNeal
>
> Thank you for this web site I was able to find a baptism record for my grandfather’s brother, Jose Jesus Reynoso on 25 Jul 1886, taking place at San Juan Bautista, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico. Unfortunately, I was not able to locate my grandfather Cayetano Jose Reynoso born in 1888.

This seems to be a interesting but rare book. Please let us know if you
locate a copy. Meanwhile, next time I just happen to be at the Library of
Congress.....

Buenas Tardes:

Tengo como antepasado a Dolores Zorrilla, que nació hacia 1831 en la Hacienda del Salto, Jalisco, Hija de Luis Zorrilla y Regina Ybañez. Tiene alguien datos de esta familia, de los ancestros de Luis y Regina?

SALUDOS.

Antonio

Very interesting. Is this the book?

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL4979177M/Haciendas_de_Jalisco_y_aleda%C3%B1o…

Haciendas of Jalisco? There are a lot of Haciendas and Ex-Haciendas in our region of Northern Jalisco. I know that El Conde owned several including the one called, San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico.

http://www.ganadobravo.com/SanMateo_Historia.htm
http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/personajes_ilustres/conde_fernando…

The descendantes of El Conde are still there and have paintings of El Conde that they lended to the Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico. Museum. On a our community website of valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico there was an excellent video documentary of a lot of the Haciendas en the Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico area. I will try to find that video.

Found some online links of pictures of Haciendas in Jalisco:

http://www.skyscraperlife.com/city-versus-city/18784-vs-de-haciendas-es…

http://www.skyscraperlife.com/ciudades-y-arquitectura-la/23050-hacienda…

Hi Susan,

Not sure where to purchase the book (besides the usual used booksellers like
abebooks.com) but according to WorldCat there are a few libraries in
southern California that own this book:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/haciendas-de-jalisco-y-aledanos-1506-1821…

Depending on its availability you could request it via your local library's
interlibrary loan.

2010/4/19 Susan and Joe Cadena

> Has anyone seen – or is anyone in possession of – a copy of the book by
> Ricardo Lancaster-Jones called “Haciendas de Jalisco y aledaños, 1506-1821?
> I found it listed as being in the Mormon library, but I cannot seem to find
> any place that sells the book. It was published 1974 in Guadalajara. It is
> said to narrate the history of the haciendas in Jalisco from their origins
> in New Galicia. I’m wondering if it names specific haciendas and their
> owners…..
>
>
>
> Susan
>
> Reno/Nevada
>

Where is the birth record from? Only a few Mexican states are viewable
particularly in the Northern part Mexico.If you say which state that
would be helpful.

Daniel Briones

Sent from my iPhone

On May 5, 2010, at 5:28 AM, mendozafowler@yahoo.com wrote:

> Hello, I would like to get information on my g-g-grandfather's
> baptismal record. I found him under the name of Pablo Hernandez
> Sustaita. The date of his baptism shows as Feb. 6, 1851. His parents
> were Pedro Hernandez and Clara Sustaita. I would like to know if
> this record is avaliable online and if so, how do I view it? I have
> a source film # 710727. Will I need to request this film from an LDS
> center? Any information would be most appreciated. I apologize, but
> I am still a genealogy novice. Maria

Maria, it would help to know the city (location) where the marriages took place.
Thanks.  Esther Jordan Lopez

On May 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM maria.cortes@trin.net wrote:

> Does anyone have any of the following films available?
>
>
> Batch # M602507
> Serial # 0640139  Marriage record  1878
>
> Batch # M602505
> Serial # 640137 Marriage record  1822
>
> Batch # M608934
> Serial # 644414 Marriage record  1840
>
>
> Thanks

Please check the films section of the Nuestros Ranchos website. It should list any members who have films on permanent loan.

Hello

I found one Catarino Valencia Married witn Anastasia Gutierrez in 7 feb 1866 tepatitlan maybe this Catarino can be your ancestor had Susana Valencia batch C603723 tepatitlan Jalisco film 0218468 1872-1874 , Andrea Valencia Gutierrez (4 nov 1883 in Tototlan film 280815).. you can see the numbers in the pilot site of familysearch

Catarino Valencia who is married with Anastasia is son of Jose Maria Valencia and Manuela Arias and Anastasia is daughter of Miguel Arias y Trinidad Padilla M00657-2 film218528

tepatitlan..

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#surname=villa%20v…

I think is a Clue (Tototlan) Could be.."" beause if this Catarino is your relative they had chidren in this town also tepatitlan.. you will see some both surnames in the same town many Villas.. Catarino Valencia y Anastasia had a José Serapio Valencia Gutierrez 06 sep 1874 C603723 film 218468 he married Refugio Hernandez and had a Dorotea in tepatitlan who was cristened 6 jun 1900..l015522

Serapio could be perfectly father or uncle of your 1900's Catarino.of course is only a clue by place by name by dates... you can use both sites www.familysearch.org using Intenational Genealogical Index after Jalisco and put Valencia or Jose Valencia and you will found the famillys related when you find the batch number you need try to see all combinations Valencia

atte. Lety R

other one:

Catarino Valencia
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Salto

Christening:

01 DEC 1860
San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
Juan Valencia
Family

Mother:
Guadalupe Flores

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C023470

Film

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I found two more children by Roque and Silvestra, Feliciana married 1853 in Tepic, Nayarit, and Petronilo married 1857 in Tepic as well, plus Alejandra Escatel, daughter of Petronilo, christened 1875 in Tepic. So Nayarit might be another place to look for family with information. It also seems Silvestra remarried in 1838 Bolaños.

Encontre otros dos hijos de Roque y Silvestra, Feliciana casada en 1853 en Tepic, Nayarit, y Petronilo casado en 1857 en Tepic también, además de Alejandra Escatel, hija de Petronilo, bautizada en 1875 en Tepic. Tal vez Nayarit sea otro lugar dónde buscar familia con información. Al parecer, Silvestra se casó de nuevo en 1838 en Bolaños.

Martin, It looks like there is a large amount of Escatel
and Losano concentration in the area of Bolaños, Jalisco, México, where Roque
Escatel and María Muñoz Silbestra where married on 6 August
1832
. You might want to start there and work your way out to localities in the
vicinity or find the marriage of Petra Escatel (a sister of Roque) and Luis
Flores, possibly in San Pedro Apostol, Nombre De Dios, Durango, México,
Where a child of theirs was christened. The first suggestion seems to be a
more probable area to search.

Martin, parece que hay una gran cantidad de Escatel y Losano concentrados en
la zona de Bolaños, Jalisco, México, donde Roque Escatel y María Muñoz
Silbestra se casaron el 6 de agosto 1832. Es posible que desee empezar por
ahí y busque en localidades en las cercanías o el matrimonio de Petra
Escatel (una hermana de Roque) y Luis Flores, posiblemente en San Pedro
Apóstol, Nombre de Dios, Durango, México, donde un niño de ellos fue
bautizado. La primera sugerencia parece ser una zona con más probabilidades
para la búsqueda.

Saludos desde Lago Salado, (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Eduardo H Seoane
EduardoHSeoane@gmail.com

Martin:

Simple lists of names without locations or dates are not very useful for genealogical purposes. If you can provide more complete information, perhaps other members with knowledge of the specific locations in question can provide some guidance.