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I've done several genealogy presentations--one for our local genealogy society and two for our local library. I enjoyed doing them but the best part was showing people HOW to do their own. I had a computer set up and a big screen, then I went to the Familysearch.org. After asking my audience a few preliminary questions, such as, "may I have a volunteer?" I asked that volunteer what state in Mexico his grandmother came from. It was funtastic to see people who REALLY knew very little about their families get a sparkle in their eyes when they saw that they CAN find their roots.

Hello All,

I just had a quick question, for everyone. How many of us, here in the Ranchos group, teach research classes or give genealogy presentations?

And I will be the first to say that, I do (In fact I teach a weekly class, and will be presenting at 2 conferences in September).

thanks,
Jonathan

The Etzatlan, Jalisco portion of the 1930 Mexican Census was lost. I'll try to
come up with a more inclusive list of places that were 'lost.'

Lynn

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Hello everybody,

Although I am 56 years old, I am the "Benjamin member" of Nuestros Ranchos
..com

I am searching the ancestry of my grandfather, Jose Michel Vazquez
(1897-1990), married to Luz Lopez Pelayo (1898-1984). I believe both were
born in Autlan, Jalisco. My findings so far have been very modest. My
grandfather was son of Ricardo Michel Becerra and Guadalupe Vazquez. Ricardo
Michel Becerra's father was Pio Michel (don't know his maternal last name),
married to Gabriela Becerra (don't know her maternal last name). All of the
from Jalisco. Do you know if there are internet sites in the state of
Jalisco where I could search for birth and marriage records of my ancestors
? Or is this something that has to be done at the physical government
premises ?

I was navigating in the "Archivo General de Indias" provided here in
nuestrosranchos.org and found an official document appointing the Spaniard
JUAN MICHEL as "Regidor de Guadalajara, Jalisco. This document was dated in
1561.

If someone is interested, you may visit:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet

This site includes: "58 paginas manuscritas detallando la confirmación del
oficio de regidor a Juan Michel".

I wonder if Juan Michel is in any way linked to my family...

Thank you in advance for any tips you can provide me.

Felipe Michel Olmo

Aida,

I too am descended from some Acevedos that used the parish church in Tepetongo that served the communities of Salitrillo, Tinaja, Estancia, Buenavista, Salitral, Vivoras, Sauces, and a few others. I had the film # 0445156 that I transcribed for the time period you stated, and there is a gap in the records from 1780 to 1787. I looked at the index of the batch number for that film, and I didn't find any De La Vega or Vega, Bega or any Toribio or Bernardo Acevedo, Asevedo, Asebedo. Perhaps the records for your ancestors are lost, as they are for many of my ancestors.

My Acevedos were Luis de Acevedo/Maria de Castaneda, parents of Francisco Acevedo born 1723, father to Domingo Acevedo, who was the father of Ma. Juana Rosalia Acevedo born in 1750 in Salitrillo. She was my gggg-grandmother.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA

Yes, Aida,

The reason for suggesting looking at the brothers' original wedding
documents is that, failing to first find the birth records of someone,
marriage documents often include the names of the parents of the bride and
groom, and provide confirmation of the true parentage. Thus, if included,
they would provide the next ladder-step and church/city locations in
pursuit of data about their birth and pedigrees.

Since by your last message you appear to already know this, I am repeating
it only because some of the starting members of this forum often seem to
want to do these searches from the unproductive and frustrating top-down
approach, instead of earliest-to-oldest (children, to parents, to
grandparents, and so on).

So, is there something you think we can help you with? ... and is Pinos
the parish that Tepetongo residents belonged to?

With my best wishes,

Efrain

> [Original Message]
> From: Aida Garralda
> To:
> Date: 8/24/2007 5:25:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching Acevedo's and De
LaVegainTepetongo, Zacatecas.
>
> Efrain:
>
> Thank you so much for your info; I do have the marriage records for all
> three brothers, what I am looking is for their baptism or birth records
as
> they may contain the names of their grandparents.
>
> Thanks again,
> Aida Garralda
> garralda@cox.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Efrain Conrique"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching Acevedo's and De La
> VegainTepetongo, Zacatecas.
>
>
> > Aida,
> >
> > May I suggest for possible connection/leads the marriage records of the
> > following ...
> >
> > Jose Maria Asevedo with Maria Guadalupe Escovedo, 1799, Pinos, Zacatecas
> > (Family History Library Batch No. M606319)
> > Jose Maria Apolonio Asevedo with Maria Anastacia Hernandez, November 27
> > 1802, Pinos, Zacatecas (Batch No. M606272)
> >
> > Long shots, but could be productive.
> >
> > Efrain
> > San Diego, California
> >
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Aida Garralda
> >> To:
> >> Date: 8/24/2007 1:59:12 PM
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching Acevedo's and De La Vega
> > inTepetongo, Zacatecas.
> >>
> >>
> >> My ggggrandfather was named Juan Jose Acevedo or (de Asevedo), he had
> >>
> >> 3 sons, Jose Toribio born @ 1773, Jose Maria born @ 1785, and Bernardo
> > born
> >>
> >> about 1787, I found all 3 marriage records for them but could not find
> > their birth
> >>
> >> records, it appears they were probably all born in Tepetongo,
> >> Zacatecas.
> >>
> >> Juan Jose (their father) was married to Maria Manuela de la Vega.
> >>
> >> If anyone out there has any information that maybe would help me find
out
> > more I
> >>
> >> would be very gratedful.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Aida Garralda
> >>
> >> garralda@cox.net
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Aida,

May I suggest for possible connection/leads the marriage records of the
following ...

Jose Maria Asevedo with Maria Guadalupe Escovedo, 1799, Pinos, Zacatecas
(Family History Library Batch No. M606319)
Jose Maria Apolonio Asevedo with Maria Anastacia Hernandez, November 27
1802, Pinos, Zacatecas (Batch No. M606272)

Long shots, but could be productive.

Efrain
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: Aida Garralda
> To:
> Date: 8/24/2007 1:59:12 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching Acevedo's and De La Vega
inTepetongo, Zacatecas.
>
>
> My ggggrandfather was named Juan Jose Acevedo or (de Asevedo), he had
>
> 3 sons, Jose Toribio born @ 1773, Jose Maria born @ 1785, and Bernardo
born
>
> about 1787, I found all 3 marriage records for them but could not find
their birth
>
> records, it appears they were probably all born in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.
>
> Juan Jose (their father) was married to Maria Manuela de la Vega.
>
> If anyone out there has any information that maybe would help me find out
more I
>
> would be very gratedful.
>
> Thank you,
> Aida Garralda
>
> garralda@cox.net

Felipe...Arturo lives here!

..I couldn't resist a bit of humor and at the same time acknowledging your
commitment.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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Has anyone had any luck getting copies of Mexican Military records from 1920's or 1930's? Where would I write to? My wife's grandmother was married to a Mexican Military officer in the 20s.Thank you Brady

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Daniel,

Padrinos could be anyone who was Catholic and who was deemed to be in good standing with the church, thus they could be siblings. Often times the padrinos were not married to each other but usually were in some way related to the parents of the child who was baptised.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Padrinos

This has been a question to me for a while. Although we are Mormon we still carry the tradition of Padrinoship. for instance mine are my grandfather and his 2nd wife. I have a question. can Padrinos be a brother and sister? Im trying to connect my Angela de Oropesa. In a document, it says "fueron sus padrinos Magdaleno Lopes de Oropesa y Angela Lopes de Oropesa. In our Hacienda any people with the same last name is related. Hence the intermarriage. The Oropesas came to our hacienda around 1890. The ones were named Thomas, Gervacio, Magdaleno and Maria Oropesa. They were said to came after my 3rd grt grandmother came named...Angela de Oropesa who married Jose Maria Hernandez de Solis. And had Eulalia de Solis. Who married Estevan Lopez de Duran who had Lorensa Lopez de Solis who married Celso del Camino y de Soto. Who had Antonio Lopez del Camino who married Maria Guadalupe Vasquez de Elizalde, who had my grandfather Antonio II del Camino. Anyway...The
fact is on a relatives b
aptismal
Magdaleno and Angela Oropesa were padrinos, but she cant be married to him because at the same time he was married to Francisca Garcia de Bedoya. So it has led me to believe that Magdaleno and Angela are siblings. Can anyone help? -Daniel Mendez....d. C.

I have a Sebastian de Luna married around 1680 to Josefa Lozano, from Aguascalientes. The only Sebastian de Luna I've found around that time and region is the son of Luis de Luna and Josefa de Haro, or Esquivelm christened in Tlaltenango on 10 February, 1659. Could anyone confirm if he is the one married to Josefa Lozano?

Thank you,
Hector Felix Aizcorbe> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:23:11 -0700> From: annaa_smith@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cecilia Lopez and Ortiz de San Pedro> > Cecilia's mothers name was Maria De Esquivel, she appears several times in the baptismal records of the early 1600's, in the priest notes He mentions her as the mother of Cecilia DE Lopez.> > arturoramos wrote: > Anna:> > As you have probably figured out reading 17th Century marriage records from Mexico, it was very common for people to take their maternal last names and in fact sometimes even the last name of a grandparent not shared by either of their parents.> > For example, Cecilia Lopez's husband, Hernando de Haro was the son of Juan de Miramontes and Maria de Haro y Saucedo. I believe that his mother's Saucedo comes from her grandmother who was also Maria de Saucedo and was married to Pedro de Bobadilla.> > Likewise Cecilia Lopez's brothers took their
father'
s surname, i.e. Ortiz de San Pedro, but she took another name, perhaps her mother's?... I don't have her mother's name anywhere... do you? Or perhaps even a grandmother. I have anecdotally found that children were often named for a grandparent and they were given the ENTIRE name, including surname of the grandparent. For girls, this would often imply giving them the surname of their maternal grandmother! > > BTW, what was the date of Luis Luna's wedding?> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > ---------------------------------> Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> h
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This has been a question to me for a while. Although we are Mormon we still carry the tradition of Padrinoship. for instance mine are my grandfather and his 2nd wife. I have a question. can Padrinos be a brother and sister? Im trying to connect my Angela de Oropesa. In a document, it says "fueron sus padrinos Magdaleno Lopes de Oropesa y Angela Lopes de Oropesa. In our Hacienda any people with the same last name is related. Hence the intermarriage. The Oropesas came to our hacienda around 1890. The ones were named Thomas, Gervacio, Magdaleno and Maria Oropesa. They were said to came after my 3rd grt grandmother came named...Angela de Oropesa who married Jose Maria Hernandez de Solis. And had Eulalia de Solis. Who married Estevan Lopez de Duran who had Lorensa Lopez de Solis who married Celso del Camino y de Soto. Who had Antonio Lopez del Camino who married Maria Guadalupe Vasquez de Elizalde, who had my grandfather Antonio II del Camino. Anyway...The fact is on a relatives baptismal Magdaleno and Angela Oropesa were padrinos, but she cant be married to him because at the same time he was married to Francisca Garcia de Bedoya. So it has led me to believe that Magdaleno and Angela are siblings. Can anyone help? -Daniel Mendez....d. C.

is there a map that identifies all the ranchos in the Jalisco area here on file

Hello there Anna ,

My name is Welester G. Alvarado my Great great Grandfather (Candelario ) was born in Villa de Saltillo in the state of Coahuila his parents were Juan de Alvarado and Maria Pascuala de Luna , Jose Antonio Candelario Alvarado was thier son baptized the 10th of Feb. 1792 . My question is do you think that the Lunas from Tlatenango came up to Coahuila ?

Thanks ,
Welester

> Hi Esperanza,> My Lunas from the 1800's are in my file, they married into my Arellano's, I do however have the entire line of luna's going back to the early 1600's but have not been able to upload my file, I don't know what i am doing wrong. I descend from Bartolome De Luna, son of Francisco De Luna and Maria De tapia, i have some info on His brother Luis De Luna going forward to early 1700's, my line of Luna's in the 1800 's were already in El Teul and Tepechitlan. Let me know if I can help.> Anna> > Latina1955@aol.com wrote:> Hi Anna...> > You mentioned Luna family....I am a Luna from Tlaltenango area...I have > gotten "stuck" with my research regarding that surname....to the early > 1800's....would you mind sharing with our whole board what you have? Many of us have > been able to make family connections because we have uploaded our trees on to > this site!> > Esperanza> Chicagoland area> > >
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For anyone interested I have in recent days updated my family history
file containing surnames: Miramontes, Sandoval, Samaniego,Llamas,
Bugarin, Luna,Bobadilla, Abila, Escovedo, Chias etc.

Gus Meza

I looking for anyone with ties to Rancho Los Aros (Haros). My grandmother, Antonia De Haro, was from there and her family - De Haro - have been there since the 1700's. I have some informaiton abt the families from their but would like to find someone else researchin that area.
Rancho Los Aros is near Jerez (Ciudd de Garcia Salinas) Zac.

I have also been researching the ESQUIVEL line from pinos Zac.

Linnie

Message from Emilie Garcia auntyemfaustus@...

Kim,
 
I see that you were looking for any Borondas in Jerez, Zacatecas. 

 
Have you seen the one listed in the FamilySearch.com IGI?  Her name is
Maria Josefa de la Santisima Trinidad Voronda, and she was baptized in Jerez on
May 9, 1784.  There is no father listed for her, only a mother by the name
of Maria Jasinta Voronda.  The film # is 0439846. 
 
The only other Vorondas listed in the IGI were two that were baptized in
Santiago, Bilbao, Vizcaya (Spain) in the 1500's.  I find that this name is
usually spelled Borunda in Mexico.  The records of the Spanish Archives for
passengers to the new world show only one person by that name, Gonzalo Borunda,
who came to the Dominican Republic in the 1500s.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

In a message dated 8/15/2007 10:32:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com writes:

There is a Prudencio Herrera, soltero who appears in the census under Rancho
de Michaela Ponce, but just squeezed in at the end and the next rancho is
none other than Rancho de las Ranas, where there appear two sets of Herrera
brothers: Juan Antonio Herrera married to Lugarda de los Santos Orozco and Juan
Pedro Herrera; and Luis Florencio Herrera married to Maria Tiburcia Perez de
Texeda and Cayetano Valerio.

I am pretty certain that the two sets of brothers are all siblings and they
are listed with their grandmother Petra Roldana, viuda. I know that the
father of this second set of brothers was Cayetano Marin de Herrera and their
mother was Ana Santiago de Llamas.

I know that Petra Roldana was mother of Cayetano Marin de Herrera through a
marriage dispensation from Luz Montejano's book. I also know that Juan Pedro
Herrera and Cayetano Valerio were brothers because their baptism records
show the same parents, see IGI 12 Sep 1738 and 1 Mar 1736 baptisms or in my
Tlaltenango families database.

I have down the parents of Prudencio Marin Herrera were Luis Marin Herrera
and Maria Soza Serrano. I have a strong feeling that Luis Marin Herrera and
Luis Florencio Herrera are related...if the parents of Luis Florencio was
Cayetano Marin Herrera...it could mean that my Prudencio and Cayetano were half
siblings (with different mothers). I am thinking (if I am right) that he was
living in his own household...and about to get married to his first wife.

For a woman, it is beginning to sound like a death sentence to marry back in
those days.

Again, thanks for keeping me in mind and sharing...I soo appreciate it.
After growing up with no family, it is very cool to know that I had/have tons of
family.

In the census that you are extracting from that time frame, does it record
the "ethnicity", as in Espanol, mulatto, mestizo, etc??

Abrazo Fuerte
Esperanza

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Wow, thanks for this information. Pedro Prudencio Marin de Herrera
originated in this little rancho and was married several times during the mid
1700's....one of his wives was a Bugarin and one was an Estrada. Who knows, we might
be very distantly related!

Esperanza

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Arturo,

I wonder how close the two ranchos (de las Ranas and Loera)? It appears
that the two families had a connection....now to unravel the mystery....

Thanks for keeping me in mind Arturo.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area.

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Yep...this is where Helyn's Herrera's line and mine separate....Pedro was
married at least four times...and Bugarin was one of the wives....I am so happy
for you Helyn....Arturo helped you break the cycle....

Esperanza

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In a message dated 8/14/2007 1:18:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com writes:

I had a few of his children in my database but I was not aware that he was
so prolific until I saw this census record

I like your choice of words "prolific" heehee....Speaking of "prolific",
here are all the wives that he married (if I got my information correct:
Ana Arrellano (first wife
Nicolaza Paula de Estrada San Martin (married 1757)....this is my line...
Maria Carmen Bugarin (married 1780)....this is Helyn's line....and yours'
too...
Ygnacia Lorenza Carlos (married 1789)
Manuela Estrada (I have the sneaky suspicion she might be Nicolaza's sister)

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I was recently surfing on Family Search and found the place where Lope Ruiz de Esparza originated from has several films from the 1500's. Ciudad Esparza, Pamplona, Navarre, Espana. Has anyone ever ordered this film. Its possible that Lope Sr. or his grandfather Martin Ruis de Esparza, or grt gf Simon Ruis de Esparza might be in this film

Bautismos 1535-1698 Matrimonios 1564-1698 Defunciones 1569-1698 - FHL INTL Film [ 1361494 Item 5 ]

These are the ones that might be use to us. There are about 5 others that might help track down other relatives.

Im thinking of ordering them myself sometime in the future to find Lope Ruiz de Esparza's Baptism. and His parents, Marriage.

-Daniel Mendez del Camino