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Hi,
I just wanted to let everyone know that I added some more photos to my
Martin del Campo album. One is of Ismael Martin del Campo. I don't know
when the picture was taken, though, but it is in Guadalajara. He was

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Photo Albums

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Hello,

Corrine please please don't think this is me pointing directly at you
because I'm not (by the way where are your photos I didn't see them?).
You just reminded me and I'm just using this an an "opportunity" to
share my wishes with the group concerning the "Album" are of the
website. If you all go to the Albums you will see various other Albums
and one of those Albums is named: "Members and Group meeting Photos"

Here is what I would like the people who own the below albums to do:

1) Move your albums to the "Members and Group meeting Photos"

If you don't know how to move stuff then delete the folder you created
and create a new album inside the "Members and Group meeting Photos" album

These are the files I would request that you all move (please):

1) Leticia Leon Morales
2) My parents Elias de Leon and Maria Carlos
3) Elias de Leon
4) WISER'S HD:Users:clemwiser:Desktop:Misc

thanks,

joseph

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I've searched NuestrosRanchos and am unable to find a "members and group meeting photos" album. I suspect that's not what it's called.

> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:32:06 -0400> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Photo Albums> > Hello,> > Corrine please please don't think this is me pointing directly at you > because I'm not (by the way where are your photos I didn't see them?). > You just reminded me and I'm just using this an an "opportunity" to > share my wishes with the group concerning the "Album" are of the > website. If you all go to the Albums you will see various other Albums > and one of those Albums is named: "Members and Group meeting Photos"> > Here is what I would like the people who own the below albums to do:> > 1) Move your albums to the "Members and Group meeting Photos"> > If you don't know how to move stuff then delete the folder you created > and create a new album inside the "Members and Group meeting Photos" album> > These are the files I would request that you all move (please):> > 1) Leticia Leon Morales> 2) My parents Elias de Leon and Maria Carlos> 3) Elias de Leon> 4) WISER'S HD:Users:clemwiser:Desktop:Misc> > thanks,> > joseph> > ====================> > Joseph Puentes> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes > Genealogy)> > > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi Joseph:

Just go the website, log in, select "albums" tab from the top menu and hit
"enter" You should see a number of folders, one is named: "Members and
Group Meeting Photos"

Good Luck!

John Gonzalez
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Photo Albums

I've searched NuestrosRanchos and am unable to find a "members and group
meeting photos" album. I suspect that's not what it's called.

Move albums

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I did move my album to "Member´s and Meetings" and added a new one containing images of decendants with surname Martín Del Campo and Barba from Los Altos De Jalisco, take a look. They are my sister

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Por favor termine sus mensajes al grupo con su nombre:

I've seen many messages come through lately that don't have the name of
the person at the end of the message. With so many messages and members

Jalostotitlan

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Can you please call me today at (408) 279-7806? I have some additional questions. Thanks.

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>
> It was a pleasure speaking with you. As I mentioned, I don't have other

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Flores de la Torre

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Ruben, email me at cflores2208@sbcglobal.net. I have a large Diego Flores de la Torre branch that I can share with you.
Charlie Flores

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!POR FIN! Someone I'm related to!

Hola Ronnie.
I didn't have time to stick more names that I had found, but now I will.
We are related threw Cristobal but also his grandparents, Juan Gutirrez de Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Cristobal's father, Salvador Gutierres de Mendoza 1660. The information I found out about his family was, which you probably already have or you can also correct me if I'm mistaken, the parents of Juan were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio 1594 y Francisca Hurtado 1599. The parents of Francisco were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio y Ana Gonzalez Florida. Francisca's father was Rodrigo Olivares.

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I just joined your group and am very interested in the line from Jalos. We share the same ancestors (and I agree that that would be the case for many from Jalos). The children mentioned of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales Florida included Theresa who married Diego Flores de la Torre. Their daughter Juana married Tomas Martin del Campo. They had 9 children. Their daughter Cecilia married Jose Joaquin Gutierrez... These are my ancestors. I'm very pleased to meet others who have done some serious research in Jalos.

I hope to join you when you meet again. I note that you are meeting today in Wildomar. I am looking forward to the next meeting.

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Hi, egomezreyes:

We had the meeting last month! I am sorry you missed it. I am sure we will
have more in the future, just keep your eyes on this forum for the place and
date.
I have done some research in Jalos, mainly on the "Juan Gonzalez de
Hermosillo" line I can trace my direct, paternal, ascendancy to his son
Melchor, Theresa's brother.

You can contact me directly if you wish.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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> I hope to join you when you meet again. I note that you are meeting today
> in Wildomar. I am looking forward to the next meeting.

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Correct Prima
Ronnie> From: sceleste_m@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:20:22 -0400> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: RE: New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitla> > > !POR FIN! Someone I'm related to! > > Hola Ronnie.> I didn't have time to stick more names that I had found, but now I will.> We are related threw Cristobal but also his grandparents, Juan Gutirrez de Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Cristobal's father, Salvador Gutierres de Mendoza 1660. The information I found out about his family was, which you probably already have or you can also correct me if I'm mistaken, the parents of Juan were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio 1594 y Francisca Hurtado 1599. The parents of Francisco were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio y Ana Gonzalez Florida. Francisca's father was Rodrigo Olivares.> Ana Camacho's parents were Silvestre Camacho 1585 y Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo 1589.> > Sophia> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:37:31 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tep> > > Hola Sophia ,how are you ? I am related to to Cristobal Gutierrez de Mendoza through his GrandParents (my ancestors) Juan Gutirrez de Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Manuel Munoz(de Nava) and Maria de San Juan (Martin )del Campo als my ancestors. There are probably more connections.> It seems that everybody from Los Altos area are related at least by 1 or 2 ancestors.> Ronnie Reynoso every bodies cousin from Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: sceleste_m@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:32:51 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, san Miguel el Alto and Lago de Moreno> > > > _________________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalo

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I read that she went crazy after her faced was deformed/burned... She's also listed as a ghost someplace.

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Primo Ronnie!

For what I am seeing we are the closest related by Cristobal Gutierrez de Mendoza.

Tu Prima,
Sophia
> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:51:02 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: RE: RE: New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalost> > > Correct Prima
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Hi Sophia:

Do you want another relative? I am a direct paternal line descendent of
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo II, married to Ana Gonzalez Florida II. Juan was
a brother to Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Que te parece prima?

Iam sure, like Ronnie says, " if you are from Los Altos, you are probably
related to the rest of us, we are all related"

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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!POR FIN! Someone I'm related to!

Hola Ronnie.
I didn't have time to stick more names that I had found, but now I will.
We are related threw Cristobal but also his grandparents, Juan Gutirrez de
Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Cristobal's father, Salvador Gutierres de Mendoza
1660. The information I found out about his family was, which you probably
already have or you can also correct me if I'm mistaken, the parents of Juan
were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio 1594 y Francisca Hurtado 1599. The
parents of Francisco were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio y Ana
Gonzalez Florida. Francisca's father was Rodrigo Olivares.
Ana Camacho's parents were Silvestre Camacho 1585 y Teresa Gonzalez de
Hermosillo 1589.

New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalo

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Hello primos,

I thought it was a given that everyone from Los Altos descended in some way
from Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo II and Ana Gonzalez Florida II (La Vieja
del Concilio). :) I know I do from several of my ancestors.
My maternal grandfather (Ines Gonzalez) descends directly from Diego
Gonzalez Rubio (Ana Gonzalez Florida II's brother), children of Francisco
Gutierrez Rubio and Ana Gonzalez Florida I.

Does anyone know the legend of Ana Gonzalez Florida II (La Vieja del
Concilio)?

Rick

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de John
Gonzalez
Enviado el: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:07 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Re: RE: RE: New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan
de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitla

Hi Sophia:

Do you want another relative? I am a direct paternal line descendent of
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo II, married to Ana Gonzalez Florida II. Juan was

a brother to Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Que te parece prima?

Iam sure, like Ronnie says, " if you are from Los Altos, you are probably
related to the rest of us, we are all related"

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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!POR FIN! Someone I'm related to!

were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio 1594 y Francisca Hurtado 1599. The

parents of Francisco were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio y Ana
Gonzalez Florida. Francisca's father was Rodrigo Olivares.
Ana Camacho's parents were Silvestre Camacho 1585 y Teresa Gonzalez de
Hermosillo 1589.

New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalo

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Hi Rick:

You are almost right, but not everyone in Los Altos descended from Juan
Gonzalez de Hermosillio. According to "Jalostotitlan a Traves de Los
Siglos" there were other founding families in Los Altos besides the
Gonzalez de Hermosillo, to mention just a few:

Andres de Estrada Bocanegra y su esposa Luisa Flores de Rubí.
Diego Alonso y su esposa Paula de Torres y su hermano Nicolas Ramirez
Francisco Muñoz de La Barba.
Juan y Blas Becerra.
Diego Gonzalez y Polonia de Torres.
Juan Jimenez de Castro
Bernabe de Olivarez.
Bernabe y Blas Ramirez.
Juan Acevez
Silvestre Camacho y su esposa Teresa de Hermosillo.
and others...all of these just in Jalos.

What is the legend of Ana Gonzalez Florida II? I have never heard of it.

John Gonzalez
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Hello primos,

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Hola Primo!

I am surprised, because of circumstances, my family was reduced to me and my brother and sister and now I actually have found PRIMOS. After looking and not finding this really makes me HAPPY!

Sophia> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:07:29 -0700> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Re: RE: RE: New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitla> > Hi Sophia:> > Do you want another relative? I am a direct paternal line descendent of > Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo II, married to Ana Gonzalez Florida II. Juan was > a brother to Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Que te parece prima?> > Iam sure, like Ronnie says, " if you are from Los Altos, you are probably > related to the rest of us, we are all related"> > > John Gonzalez> Wildomar, CA.> 1gnzlz@verizon.net
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I descend from Juan González de HErmosillo about 11 times! -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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My husband has the following direct line ancestry -

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (I do not have a spouse for this individual).
Father of Ana Gonzalez married to Diego Sanchez-Carranza-
parents of Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo born abt 1631 and married to Luis Gonzalez Dominguez
parents of Bernardo Gonzalez who married Josepha Sandobal Lorano (June 18 1680 in Nochistlan).

>From this marriage I have two children Melchora Losano Gonzalez and Joseph Gonzalez Losano.

Are these individuals members of the Gonzalez de Hermosillo family that you have been discusing?

Thank you,
Pat and Tino Corbera
Tracy CA

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> Hi Sophia:
>
> Do you want another relative? I am a direct paternal line descendent of
> Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo II, married to Ana Gonzalez Florida II. Juan was
> a brother to Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Que te parece prima?
>
> Iam sure, like Ronnie says, " if you are from Los Altos, you are probably
> related to the rest of us, we are all related"
>
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA.
> 1gnzlz@verizon.net

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Hi Patricia:

I would like to help you but the following is the only information that I
have:

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo married to Ana Gonzalez Florida II.
their children: Melchor, Theresa, Maria, and Mariana. I have 1638 for
Mariana's birth date, but no other information on her.
I have not researched the children, except Melchor, from whom I descend in
a direct paternal line.

I wish I could help more. I am sure some other member of NR will come up
with more and better information.

John Gonzalez.
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> My husband has the following direct line ancestry -
>
> Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (I do not have a spouse for this individual).
> Father of Ana Gonzalez married to Diego Sanchez-Carranza-
> parents of Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo born abt 1631 and married to Luis
> Gonzalez Dominguez
> parents of Bernardo Gonzalez who married Josepha Sandobal Lorano (June 18
> 1680 in Nochistlan).
>
>>From this marriage I have two children Melchora Losano Gonzalez and Joseph
>>Gonzalez Losano.
>
> Are these individuals members of the Gonzalez de Hermosillo family that
> you have been discusing?

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Hi John,

Thank you for your input... I'll keep checking ...

Pat Silva Corbera

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> Hi Patricia:
>
> I would like to help you but the following is the only information that I
> have:
>
>
> Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo married to Ana Gonzalez Florida II.
> their children: Melchor, Theresa, Maria, and Mariana. I have 1638 for
> Mariana's birth date, but no other information on her.
> I have not researched the children, except Melchor, from whom I descend in
> a direct paternal line.
>
> I wish I could help more. I am sure some other member of NR will come up
> with more and better information.
>
> John Gonzalez.

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Hi Sophia,
Don't be too surprised :-) -- I too descend from Francisco Gutierrez de Mendoza and Ana Gonzalez Florida.
I'll see if I can send you more info tonight.
Saludos!

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Hola Sandra,

That would be great if you find anything more about them. I'm so excited now!

Gracias!
Sophia

> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:56:21 -0700> From: sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitla> > Hi Sophia,> Don't be too surprised :-) -- I too descend from Francisco Gutierrez de Mendoza and Ana Gonzalez Florida. > I'll see if I can send you more info tonight.> Saludos!
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Hola Rick:Es una gran idea

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Hola Rick:

Es una gran idea eso de hacer una reunión anual en Los Altos de Jalisco. Mi esposo y yo estamos muy interesados y asistiremos siempre y cuando se haga a mediados de marzo que es cuando todos los años vamos por asuntos que no se pueden hacer en otro tiempo.
Saludos desde el Edo. de Nueva York,

Bertha Medina de Boehm
Guenter Boehm

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Hola Rick:Es una gran idea

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Hola Bertha,

No estoy muy seguro que se pueda hacer en esas fechas pero en cuanto confirmemos el evento te hago llegar la información para ver si podrían hacer el viaje hasta acá. Lo que sí les digo es que si todo sale como se planea, va a estar muy bueno.

Saludos,

Ricardo

Hola Rick:Es una gran idea

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Rick my name is Daniel A. Esparza, I recently attended the So. Calif. gathering that was held by John gonzalez, where I learned about a couple of books that are out there and that you migh be able to give me a lead on how and where to get them without going to Mexico. The first one is Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galica by Mariano Gonzalez Leal; the second one is Sagrada Mitra de Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galica by Maria de la Luce Montjano Hilton.

Do you know where I migh be able to find them here in the USA or do you know of anyone who will be attending your meeting in Mexico who would be willing to get them while they are there. Many thanks.

Daniel A. Esparza
tiodann@msn.com> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:21:37 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola Rick:Es una gran idea> > Hola Bertha,> > No estoy muy seguro que se pueda hacer en esas fechas pero en cuanto confirmemos el evento te hago llegar la información para ver si podrían hacer el viaje hasta acá. Lo que sí les digo es que si todo sale como se planea, va a estar muy bueno.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Daniel,
I recently borrowed SANTA MITRA, etc. through the loan system. I got it from UT-PanAm in Edinburgh, Texas, because I live in the area. Not sure what other libraries have it.
Ask your library.

Juanita

DANIEL ESPARZA wrote:

Do you know where I migh be able to find them here in the USA or do you know of anyone who will be attending your meeting in Mexico who would be willing to get them while they are there. Many thanks.

Daniel A. Esparza
tiodann@msn.com> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:21:37 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola Rick:Es una gran idea> > Hola Bertha,> > No estoy muy seguro que se pueda hacer en esas fechas pero en cuanto confirmemos el evento te hago llegar la información para ver si podrían hacer el viaje hasta acá. Lo que sí les digo es que si todo sale como se planea, va a estar muy bueno.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Juanita thank you so much for providing me with info. Rick responded and told me that he can get me a copy of the book and suggested that maybe someone who will attend the conference there in Jalisco can bring the book back and mail it to me from the USA, I agree with that suggestion.

I once knew a co-worker (MSW) who was from Edinbrugh, TX her name was Enelda, but I just can't remember her last name, I remember she was very bright and very active there in her hometown. What a small world. Again, thank you, stay safe, be blessed.

tiodann
daniel

> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:41:38 -0700> From: missjuanni13@yahoo.com> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola Rick:Es una gran idea> > Daniel,> I recently borrowed SANTA MITRA, etc. through the loan system. I got it from UT-PanAm in Edinburgh, Texas, because I live in the area. Not sure what other libraries have it.> Ask your library.> > Juanita> > DANIEL ESPARZA wrote:> > Rick my name is Daniel A. Esparza, I recently attended the So. Calif. gathering that was held by John gonzalez, where I learned about a couple of books that are out there and that you migh be able to give me a lead on how and where to get them without going to Mexico. The first one is Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galica by Mariano Gonzalez Leal; the second one is Sagrada Mitra de Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galica by Maria de la Luce Montjano Hilton. > > Do you know where I migh be able to find them here in the USA or do you know of anyone who will be attending your meeting in Mexico who would be willing to get them while they are there. Many thanks. > > Daniel A. Esparza> tiodann@msn.com> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:21:37 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola Rick:Es una gran idea> > Hola Bertha,> > No estoy muy seguro que se pueda hacer en esas fechas pero en cuanto confirmemos el evento te hago llegar la información para ver si podrían hacer el viaje hasta acá. Lo que sí les digo es que si todo sale como se planea, va a estar muy bueno.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> E-mail for the greater good. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft.> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

I would be very interested in participating in the Los Altos trip. I travelled there with my husband in 1997. My Rodriguez line is fromTeocaltiche, Jalisco, with some ties to San Juan de Los Lagos, which I visited in 2006.

I met the cronista Mr. Rameriz during the trip and some Rodriguez who are related somehow at the great-great-grandfather line,as all others settled in Needles, Ca in 1917.

Hola Rick:Es una gran idea

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Daniel,
I wonder how much it costs in Mexico. I know it goes for $160.00 here.(USmoney)!
By the way, are you researching the ESPARZA line? My husband was Esparza thru his mother, and there is a family tree book on them at LDS in Harlingen. I never went that route since the couple did not marry but did have a child together.
Juanita

DANIEL ESPARZA wrote:

tiodann
daniel

> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:41:38 -0700> From: missjuanni13@yahoo.com> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola Rick:Es una gran idea> > Daniel,> I recently borrowed SANTA MITRA, etc. through the loan system. I got it from UT-PanAm in Edinburgh, Texas, because I live in the area. Not sure what other libraries have it.> Ask your library.> > Juanita> > DANIEL ESPARZA wrote:> > Rick my name is Daniel A. Esparza, I recently attended the So. Calif. gathering that was held by John gonzalez, where I learned about a couple of books that are out there and that you migh be able to give me a lead on how and where to get them without going to Mexico. The first one is Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galica by Mariano Gonzalez Leal; the second one is Sagrada Mitra de Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galica by Maria de la Luce Montjano Hilton. > > Do you know where I migh be able to find them here in the USA or do you know of anyone who will be attending your
meeting in Mexico who would be willing to get them while they are there. Many thanks. > > Daniel A. Esparza> tiodann@msn.com> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:21:37 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola Rick:Es una gran idea> > Hola Bertha,> > No estoy muy seguro que se pueda hacer en esas fechas pero en cuanto confirmemos el evento te hago llegar la información para ver si podrían hacer el viaje hasta acá. Lo que sí les digo es que si todo sale como se planea, va a estar muy bueno.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> E-mail for the greater good. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft.>
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Hola Rick:Es una gran idea

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I am interested and planning on being in san juan very soon. Perhaps I will be lucky enough to catch this. I will have to return to EEU soon due to other commitments. Please let me know if yall ever decide on a date and place. gracias! caro

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Cuenta conmigo, unicamente avisame con tiempo y ojalá pudiera ser un fin de semana

Rick Rodriguez wrote: Hola compañeros, no sé si ya se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una
reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar
sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la
región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de
asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

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Hola Juan José y a demás interesados en la Reunion de Nuestros Ranchos en
Los Altos. Nada mas está en que todos los interesados nos pongamos de
acuerdo y nos decidamos por un lugar y que día o fin de semana. Que día se
les antoja?

Voy a comenzar a tomar nota de todas las personas que estarían interesadas.
Por cierto Juan José, crees que la persona de la que me platicaste en el
ultimo correo quiera y pueda asistir?

Saludos,

Ricardo

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Juan Jose
Ramirez Ibarra SJL Jal
Enviado el: Jueves 22 de Mayo de 2008 1:47 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

Cuenta conmigo, unicamente avisame con tiempo y ojalá pudiera ser un fin de
semana

Rick Rodriguez wrote: Hola compañeros, no sé si ya
se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una
reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar
sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la
región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de
asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

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Ricardo,

Avisanos cuando fijes la fecha y el lugar. Yo voy a viajar a Guadalajara
del 8 al 16 de Junio. No viajo por placer, pero por visitar a mi padre que
esta enfermo. De todos modos si tengo la oportunidad de asistir a la
reunion si me interesa mucho.

Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

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Hola Maria, y también a todos los interesados,

Nos estamos poniendo de acuerdo para fijar la fecha y el lugar de la
reunión. Estoy viendo la posibilidad de invitar a algunas personas que
conocen mucho de la genealogía e historia de la región de Los Altos para ver
si nos hacen el favor de darnos como un tipo de mini conferencia. No hemos
puesto fecha porque primero nos gustaría preguntarles a estas personas en
que fechas estarían disponibles en caso de que acepten nuestra invitación.
Lo más seguro es que sea aproximadamente entre fines de julio y agosto, pero
enseguida que confirmemos se les avisa se les mandara un aviso con los
detalles del evento a todas las personas que han mostrado su interés en
asistir a nuestra Primera Reunión de Nuestros Ranchos en Los Altos, que
esperamos que no sea la última. Pensamos cambiar de sede cada año para poder
hacerlo en un diferente pueblo cada ocasión y así conocer a todos los
municipios de la región.
Los que no puedan asistir a esta reunión tendrán la oportunidad de hacerlo
el próximo año. Las personas que han mostrado interés son las siguientes:

Juan Jose Ramirez San Juan de los Lagos
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Guadalajara
Jorge Luis Ramirez Tepatitlán
Ricardo Rodriguez Valle de Guadalupe
John Gonzalez Wildomar, California
Gaby Olague Chicago, Illinois
Celia Escalona Torreón, Coahuila
Katia Cañedo
Sandra Gómez Mendoza

Si hay alguien más que esté interesado en asistir, por favor háganmelo saber
para incluirlos en la lista.

Hasta luego parientes,

Ricardo

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Yo estoy interesado en la reunión en Los Altos.
Me llamo Juan Ramón Alvarez. Soy de Mezcala municipio de Tepatitlán pero radico en Los Angeles California.
Estoy a sus ordenes.
Gracias

--- On Sun, 5/25/08, Rick Rodriguez wrote:

From: Rick Rodriguez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 4:37 PM

Hola Maria, y también a todos los interesados,

Si hay alguien más que esté interesado en asistir, por favor háganmelo saber
para incluirlos en la lista.

Hasta luego parientes,

Ricardo

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco--starting to make plans

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Sunday, May 25, 2008

Dear Rick--

I like your ideas about having various reunions in the
upcoming years.

I have a very good friend named Hugo Moises Orosco
Barba who lives in Capilla de Guadalupe and works in
Guadalajara. I know he would be very interested in
joining with us as he has done genealogy for many
years and has a number of friends who are prime
researchers in Los Altos.

My husband and I were in Jalisco in March and hope to
return again in July or August. Our home base is
Santa Rita, of the municipio of Ayotlan.

Greetings to all.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton
Researching since 1977

--- Rick Rodriguez wrote:

> Hola Maria, y también a todos los interesados,
>
> Nos estamos poniendo de acuerdo para fijar la fecha
> y el lugar de la
> reunión. Estoy viendo la posibilidad de invitar a
> algunas personas que
> conocen mucho de la genealogía e historia de la
> región de Los Altos para ver
> si nos hacen el favor de darnos como un tipo de mini
> conferencia. No hemos
> puesto fecha porque primero nos gustaría
> preguntarles a estas personas en
> que fechas estarían disponibles en caso de que
> acepten nuestra invitación.
> Lo más seguro es que sea aproximadamente entre fines
> de julio y agosto, pero
> enseguida que confirmemos se les avisa se les
> mandara un aviso con los
> detalles del evento a todas las personas que han
> mostrado su interés en
> asistir a nuestra Primera Reunión de Nuestros
> Ranchos en Los Altos, que
> esperamos que no sea la última. Pensamos cambiar de
> sede cada año para poder
> hacerlo en un diferente pueblo cada ocasión y así
> conocer a todos los
> municipios de la región.
> Los que no puedan asistir a esta reunión tendrán la
> oportunidad de hacerlo
> el próximo año. Las personas que han mostrado
> interés son las siguientes:
>
> Juan Jose Ramirez San Juan de los Lagos
> Tomas Alejandro Villegas Guadalajara
> Jorge Luis Ramirez Tepatitlán
> Ricardo Rodriguez Valle de Guadalupe
> John Gonzalez Wildomar, California
> Gaby Olague Chicago, Illinois
> Celia Escalona Torreón, Coahuila
> Katia Cañedo
> Sandra Gómez Mendoza
>
>
> Si hay alguien más que esté interesado en asistir,
> por favor háganmelo saber
> para incluirlos en la lista.
>
>
> Hasta luego parientes,
>
> Ricardo
>
>

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

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Hola Ricardo Y otros miembros de Nuestros Ranchos.

Mi nombre es Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo, vivo en el norte de California pero soy nacida en el Municipio de Nochistlan Zacatecas y viviendo en San Jose desde la edad de dos años. Aunque Nochistlan no esta en Jalisco, considero que esta muy cerca de la region de los Altos.

Me interesa mucho la idea de una reunion en Jalisco. Por cierto que cuando Maria Cortez y yo acudimos a la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila, nos dijimos una a la otra que que bueno fuera si en Jalisco o en Zacatecas se pudiera hacer algo semejante. Espero que se realice este evento en el futuro

Voy para Guadalajara el dia dos de Julio y para Nochistlan Zac como para el dia cuatro de Julio. Aunque no hubiera reunion para estas fechas me gustaria conocer algunos de los integrantes de Nuestros Ranchos que radican por esta region.

Si alguien se interesa en un pequeño encuentro, avisen y asi nos ponemos de acuerdo.

Atentamente,
Alicia

PS: disculpen mi español, nunca lo estudie, es de milagro que lo medio hablo y medio escribo.

Date: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 4:37 PM

Hola Maria, y también a todos los interesados,

Juan Jose Ramirez – San Juan de los Lagos
Tomas Alejandro Villegas – Guadalajara
Jorge Luis Ramirez – Tepatitlán
Ricardo Rodriguez – Valle de Guadalupe
John Gonzalez – Wildomar, California
Gaby Olague – Chicago, Illinois
Celia Escalona – Torreón, Coahuila
Katia Cañedo
Sandra Gómez Mendoza

Si hay alguien más que esté interesado en asistir, por favor háganmelo saber
para incluirlos en la lista.

Hasta luego parientes,

Ricardo

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

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Rick,

Yo viajare para Guadalajara del 2 de Julio hasta el 12 de Julio, si acaso se organiza una reunion para estas fechas, me avisas por favor.

Attentamente,
Alicia

----- Original Message ----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:28:32 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

Hola compañeros, no sé si ya se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una
reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar
sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la
región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de
asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

Comment

Muy interesante Rick lo que mencionas, estaría bien reunirnos todos a los que os interesa la genealogía, y si creo que sería mejor en vacaciones escolares, pues como ya saben yo estudio todavía y si se me dificulta que sea antes.

Como dices, Valle de Guadalupe está al centro de la región, pero creo que habría que pensar en quienes se van a hospedar en hotel, pues en Valle de Guadalupe no hay mucho servicio hotelero o si? Creo que Tepa tiene mucho mas servicios de este Tipo, el problema sería el lugar de la reunión. O solo que se quieran trasladar de aquí hasta Valle, de todos modos no pasa de durar 20 minutos.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Me interesa, sin embargo yono tengo ningun pariente en los Altos y no tengo la menor idea de donde es Valle de Guadalupe, sin embargo, es una buena idea, me gustaria en las vacaciones, y ojala con ustedes conozca a alguien que siga mi linea, que es la de la casa Palomino y Cañedo. Gracias
Katia

> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:32 -0500> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco> > Hola compañeros, no sé si ya se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una> reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar> sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la> región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de> asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.> > > > Saludos,> > > > Ricardo Rodriguez> > Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Este tipo de anuncio debe publicarse en el foro de anuncios. El foro de genealogia e historia general es para discutir temas de historia, cultura y temas de genealogia que no sean una pregunta sobre investigaciones. Asi que se mueve este tema al foro de anuncios.

Por favor intenten publicar sus mensajes al foro apropiado.

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

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Buenisima idea! Se podria planear algun tipo de seminar, visitas, etc. Yo solo necesitaria un poco de tiempo para pautarlo en mi agenda.

Saludos!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Rick Rodriguez"

Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:32
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

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Yo estoy puesta, pero tendría que ser durante las vacaciones escolares, si es posible, ya que soy maestra y vivo en Torreón.

> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> From: sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:32:32 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco> > Buenisima idea! Se podria planear algun tipo de seminar, visitas, etc. Yo solo necesitaria un poco de tiempo para pautarlo en mi agenda. > > Saludos!> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T> > -----Original Message-----> From: "Rick Rodriguez" > > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:32 > To:> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco> > > Hola compañeros, no sé si ya se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una> reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar> sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la> región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de> asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.> > > > Saludos,> > > > Ricardo Rodriguez> > Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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I am interested but live in Chicago and would need to plan in advance, check at work if I can be away for a few days.
> From: cescavi@hotmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:48:17 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco> > Yo estoy puesta, pero tendría que ser durante las vacaciones escolares, si es posible, ya que soy maestra y vivo en Torreón.> > > > > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> From: sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:32:32 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco> > Buenisima idea! Se podria planear algun tipo de seminar, visitas, etc. Yo solo necesitaria un poco de tiempo para pautarlo en mi agenda. > > Saludos!> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T> > -----Original Message-----> From: "Rick Rodriguez" > > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:32 > To:> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco> > > Hola compañeros, no sé si ya se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una> reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar> sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la> región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de> asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.> > > > Saludos,> > > > Ricardo Rodriguez> > Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> Lancez des recherches en toute sécurité depuis n'importe quelle page Web. Téléchargez GRATUITEMENT Windows Live Toolbar aujourd'hui !> http://toolbar.live.com> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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English Rewording

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I need some folks to look over this and and help out with the English of
this message. After I get that part resolved I'll be looking to get help
from those in the group that have offered to help with Spanish translations:

Research Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17

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alguien sabe si de las familias troncales de los Altos. alguna fue para Michoacán,,,,,o si tiene alguna relación los González de los Altos con los de Michoacán,,,saludos Lupita> From: research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Research Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:36:11 -0700> > Send Research mailing list submissions to> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.nuestrosranchos.org/listinfo.cgi/research-nuestrosranchos…; > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> research-owner@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Research digest..."> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> DAILY DIGEST> ****************************************> > > Today's Topics

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Research Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17

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Parece que sí, deme tiempo para buscar. Estamos pendientes.
Vicente de San Miguel.

> From: cala2001@hotmail.com> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:27:00 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17> > > alguien sabe si de las familias troncales de los Altos. alguna fue para Michoacán,,,,,o si tiene alguna relación los González de los Altos con los de Michoacán,,,saludos Lupita> From: research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Research Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:36:11 -0700> > Send Research mailing list submissions to> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.nuestrosranchos.org/listinfo.cgi/research-nuestrosranchos…; > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> research-owner@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Research digest..."> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> DAILY DIGEST> ****************************************> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales> que poblaron las orillas (Ronald Reynoso)> 2. Re: La leyenda (sophia)> 3. RE: RE: RE: RE: New names in my Mu?oz line:San Juan> de los Lagos, Ayotlan, (sophia)> 4. RE: RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias> troncales que poblaron las o (vicente castro sifuentes)> 5. Re: New names in my (egomezreyes)> 6. Re: New names in my (rubenhernandez57@comcast.net)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:04:16 -0700> From: Ronald Reynoso > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las> familias troncales que poblaron las orillas> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hola Vale ,como esta? ojala que bien. Mi antepasado era Carlos Lomellini y era de genoa,Italia como era moro ? > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: castrosivicente@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:41:17 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del> > > Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del siglo XVI.> > Se desprend?an desde Guadalajara hacia Teocaltiche., de ah? hacia Jalostotitlan, Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Mirandilla, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitl?n y Guadalajara de nuevo.> > De estas mismas ramas, hubo desplazamientos hacia Le?n (familia Ulloa y Parada Aguilar), Silao, Celaya e Irapuato (familia Mart?n), Gto.> De Jalostotitl?n, sali? la familia Garza para fundar la ciudad de Monterrey, NL.> (Ordenanzas de colonizaci?n de 1573).> > > TRONCOS FAMILIARES PRINCIPALES> > 1. Lomel?, Gallo, Gonz?lez (provenientes de Yahualica).> 2. Padilla, Reynoso.> 3. Issasi, Serrano, Sanrom?n, Ortiz de Parada, Hermosillo.> 4. P?rez, Franco, Padilla, Jim?nez, Reynoso, Gonz?lez> 5. Barba, Gonz?lez.> > Fuente: Sociedad y conflicto en los Altos de Jalisco. P?g. 87, citado por Gtz, Gtz J.A. 1989. Colecci?n Regiones. CONACULTA.> > Escribo esto, porque una persona de nombre Steven, asegura equivocadamente que los apellidos Lomel?n, Isassi, Lavezares y Sigala, provienen de italianos que se asentaron en Los Altos, lo cual es inexacto.> Lomel?n es de origen moro, asentado en Granada y C?rdoba al Sur de Espa?a. Ya en 1624 un portador de este apellido era Don Pedro Lomel?n.> Isassi es de origen totalmente vasco, siendo uno de sus representantes don Francisco Isassi de Olavarr?a.> Lavezares, proviene de la provincia de Vizcaya, donde destaca el militar Guido de Lavezares> Sigala proviene de Palma de Mallorca y su escudo consta de un> ?guila de plata con las patas y garras puestas hacia arriba en situaci?n de ataque.> > Saludos, Vicente de San Miguel.> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back!> http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=intro…; > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:30:03 -0400> From: sophia > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La leyenda> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Gracias Juan!> I will try and hopefully I'm lucky.> > Sophia> > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:14:28 -0700> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La leyenda> > Sophia:> > Since you lived in Spain, let me give you some information about a book: > "Hermosilla, Su Historia y sus Gentes" by Dionisio Cueva.> > You might be able to get it if you still have connections in either, > Hermosilla or Madrid. I got it through a friend who lives in Madrid and he > was kind enough to go to Hermosilla to take some pictures and try to do a > little research for me. He sent me a picture of the house where the Gonzalez > used to live. The descendents are no longer in Hermosilla, they moved to > Burgos.> In one of the pictures that he took there was a poster with the announcement > of a book on the history of Hermosilla. I went to the web and found the > Hermosilla web page where I posted a message asking for information on how > to locate Presbitero Dionisio Cueva, the author. It wasn't long before I > had > a phone number in Madrid, I asked my friend to call it and he was able > to get in touch with the author. It took a few weeks to get the book > because they were being kept in Hermosilla and I would have to wait until > Dionisio Cuevas went back to get the book. The book is fairly new, it was > published in 2006.> > If you do get, it you'll be fascinated by it, the book includes census taken > in 1508, 1512, 1518,,1524, and 1530. The census are very short since very > few people lived there at that time.> > You might want to try: WWW.escolopios.es they are the publishers and they > can probably help you to get a hold of Padre Dionisio Cueva or Saturio > Laredo, author and co-author of the book, both of them are from Hermosilla.> > Good luck!> > John Gonzalez> > _________________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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A menudo los inmigrantes o las autoridades del pa?s de destino, escrib?an mal algunos datos, por ignorancia o premura del tiempo.> La reina Isabel tuvo un confesor de apellido Lomellini, que tambi?n se cita en la genealog?a de algunos zacatecanos. Entre 1532 y 1560 hab?a en Per? alrededor de 50 italianos, provenientes de Liguria.> Saludos. Viaje a la tierra de sus antepasados si no la conoce a?n. No se va arrepentir. Yo viv? un tiempo en Monteccattini, entre Florencia y Pisa. Hay mucho que ver. Vicente de San Miguel.> > > From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:04:16 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas> > > Hola Vale ,como esta? ojala que bien. Mi antepasado era Carlos Lomellini y era de genoa,Italia como era moro ? > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: castrosivicente@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:41:17 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del> > > Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del siglo XVI.> > Se desprend?an desde Guadalajara hacia Teocaltiche., de ah? hacia Jalostotitlan, Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Mirandilla, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitl?n y Guadalajara de nuevo.> > De estas mismas ramas, hubo desplazamientos> hacia Le?n (familia Ulloa y Parada Aguilar), Silao, Celaya e Irapuato (familia Mart?n), Gto.> De Jalostotitl?n, sali? la familia Garza para fundar la ciudad de Monterrey, NL.> (Ordenanzas de colonizaci?n de 1573).> > TRONCOS FAMILIARES PRINCIPALES> > 1. Lomel?, Gallo, Gonz?lez (provenientes de Yahualica).> 2. Padilla, Reynoso.> 3. Issasi, Serrano, Sanrom?n, Ortiz de Parada, Hermosillo.> 4. P?rez, Franco, Padilla, Jim?nez, Reynoso, Gonz?lez> 5. Barba, Gonz?lez.> > Fuente: Sociedad y conflicto en los Altos de Jalisco. P?g. 87, citado por Gtz, Gtz J.A. 1989. Colecci?n Regiones. CONACULTA.> > Escribo esto, porque una persona de nombre Steven, asegura equivocadamente que los apellidos Lomel?n, Isassi, Lavezares y Sigala, provienen de italianos que se asentaron en Los Altos, lo cual es inexacto.> Lomel?n es de origen moro, asentado en Granada y C?rdoba al Sur de Espa?a. Ya en 1624 un portador de este apellido era Don Pedro Lomel?n.> Isassi es de origen totalmente vasco, siendo un> o de sus representantes don Francisco Isassi de Olavarr?a.> Lavezares, proviene de la provincia de Vizcaya, donde destaca el militar Guido de Lavezares> Sigala proviene de Palma de Mallorca y su escudo consta de un ?guila de plata con las patas y garras puestas hacia arriba en situaci?n de ataque.> > Saludos, Vicente de San Miguel.> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> Introducing Live Search cashback . 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The children mentioned of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales Florida included Theresa who married Diego Flores de la Torre. Their daughter Juana married Tomas Martin del Campo. They had 9 children. Their daughter Cecilia married Jose Joaquin Gutierrez... These are my ancestors. I'm very pleased to meet others who have done some serious research in Jalos. > > I hope to join you when you meet again. I note that you are meeting today in Wildomar. I am looking forward to the next meeting.> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:34:04 +0000> From: rubenhernandez57@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New names in my> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID:> 062220080234.4915.485DBA1C0003368E000013332207020653C9CA960A0B020E029D0…>> > Content-Type: text/plain> > Mr. Reyes,> > Could you please call me at (408) 314-2027. 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Hola Rick , I didn't know there was a Legend .Do you know anything about it ?
Ronnie ,pariente acasi todos de Los Altos
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A todos mis primos!

Does anyone know how the couples Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza y Ana Gonzalez Florida or Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Maria Muñoz or Rodrigo Olivares y Maria Hurtado de Mendoza ended up in Jalostotitlan? About there origins or parents?

Gracias.
Sophia
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Hi Sophia:

The "Gonzalez de Hermosillo " originated in a small village called
Hermosilla, just a few miles North of Burgos, Spain. You can Google it and
find information about it.

I like to recommend a book: "Jalostotitlan a Traves de Los Siglos" by Jose
Antonio Gutierrez Gutierrez. This book has a lot of information not only
about the founding families of Jalos, but also about the region known as Los
Altos de Jalisco. You'll find it very useful in your research.

I bought my copy at:

Libros Latinos
301 9th St. Ste. "B"
Redlands, CA. 92374
(909) 798-1342

Libroslatinos.com

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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A todos mis primos!

Does anyone know how the couples Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza y Ana
Gonzalez Florida or Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Maria Muñoz or Rodrigo
Olivares y Maria Hurtado de Mendoza ended up in Jalostotitlan? About there
origins or parents?

Gracias.
Sophia

La leyenda

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Hola John,

Thank you so much for the information. I actually lived in Spain for 11 years and visited the town without knowing that that was were my ancestors were from.
I will try and get these books you tell me about.
I'm so excited!

Saludos,

Sophia

> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:58:50 -0700> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La leyenda> > Hi Sophia:> > The "Gonzalez de Hermosillo " originated in a small village called > Hermosilla, just a few miles North of Burgos, Spain. You can Google it and > find information about it.> > I like to recommend a book: "Jalostotitlan a Traves de Los Siglos" by Jose > Antonio Gutierrez Gutierrez. This book has a lot of information not only > about the founding families of Jalos, but also about the region known as Los > Altos de Jalisco. You'll find it very useful in your research.> > I bought my copy at:> > Libros Latinos> 301 9th St. Ste. "B"> Redlands, CA. 92374> (909) 798-1342> > Libroslatinos.com> > John Gonzalez> Wildomar, CA> 1gnzlz@verizon.net> > ========================================================================================> > > > > A todos mis primos!> > Does anyone know how the couples Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza y Ana > Gonzalez Florida or Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Maria Muñoz or Rodrigo > Olivares y Maria Hurtado de Mendoza ended up in Jalostotitlan? About there > origins or parents?> > Gracias.> Sophia> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Since you lived in Spain, let me give you some information about a book:
"Hermosilla, Su Historia y sus Gentes" by Dionisio Cueva.

You might be able to get it if you still have connections in either,
Hermosilla or Madrid. I got it through a friend who lives in Madrid and he
was kind enough to go to Hermosilla to take some pictures and try to do a
little research for me. He sent me a picture of the house where the Gonzalez
used to live. The descendents are no longer in Hermosilla, they moved to
Burgos.
In one of the pictures that he took there was a poster with the announcement
of a book on the history of Hermosilla. I went to the web and found the
Hermosilla web page where I posted a message asking for information on how
to locate Presbitero Dionisio Cueva, the author. It wasn't long before I
had a phone number in Madrid, I asked my friend to call it and he was able
to get in touch with the author. It took a few weeks to get the book
because they were being kept in Hermosilla and I would have to wait until
Dionisio Cuevas went back to get the book. The book is fairly new, it was
published in 2006.

If you do get, it you'll be fascinated by it, the book includes census taken
in 1508, 1512, 1518,,1524, and 1530. The census are very short since very
few people lived there at that time.

You might want to try: WWW.escolopios.es they are the publishers and they
can probably help you to get a hold of Padre Dionisio Cueva or Saturio
Laredo, author and co-author of the book, both of them are from Hermosilla.

Good luck!

John Gonzalez

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Hola John,

Thank you so much for the information. I actually lived in Spain for 11
years and visited the town without knowing that that was were my ancestors
were from.
I will try and get these books you tell me about.
I'm so excited!

Saludos,

Sophia

La leyenda

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Gracias Juan!
I will try and hopefully I'm lucky.

Sophia

> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:14:28 -0700> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La leyenda> > Sophia:> > Since you lived in Spain, let me give you some information about a book: > "Hermosilla, Su Historia y sus Gentes" by Dionisio Cueva.> > You might be able to get it if you still have connections in either, > Hermosilla or Madrid. I got it through a friend who lives in Madrid and he > was kind enough to go to Hermosilla to take some pictures and try to do a > little research for me. He sent me a picture of the house where the Gonzalez > used to live. The descendents are no longer in Hermosilla, they moved to > Burgos.> In one of the pictures that he took there was a poster with the announcement > of a book on the history of Hermosilla. I went to the web and found the > Hermosilla web page where I posted a message asking for information on how > to locate Presbitero Dionisio Cueva, the author. It wasn't long before I > had
a phone number in Madrid, I asked my friend to call it and he was able > to get in touch with the author. It took a few weeks to get the book > because they were being kept in Hermosilla and I would have to wait until > Dionisio Cuevas went back to get the book. The book is fairly new, it was > published in 2006.> > If you do get, it you'll be fascinated by it, the book includes census taken > in 1508, 1512, 1518,,1524, and 1530. The census are very short since very > few people lived there at that time.> > You might want to try: WWW.escolopios.es they are the publishers and they > can probably help you to get a hold of Padre Dionisio Cueva or Saturio > Laredo, author and co-author of the book, both of them are from Hermosilla.> > Good luck!> > John Gonzalez>
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Just an opinion, we don't really know because they weren't their but by research and estimation" I could say based on my research in Los Altos that the families we're constantly moving from place to place. I have several families moving everywhere in Los Altos from Lagos to San Juan, Teo., Aguas to Ayo and Jalos. all over. It is interesting that they always moved to a certain location based on what time of the year? Prob it was dryer in Ayo than Jalo im not sure. We could say European civilization was in it's creation form in the mid 1500-1600's so maybe the natives attacked like in Aguas? Well the Hermosillos came from D.F. if im not mistaken before coming to Los Altos and Muñoz came directly from Spain and The Mendozas I believe came from Guadalajara the prob. is not sure which one since there were 2 or 3 Guadalajaras Diego Hurtado de Mendoza came from D.F. to "La Guadalajara" (Cited from Gary Félix site "Genealogy of México" Page on Early Settlers of "La Nueva Galicia" He was son of Rodrigo de Mendoza and Inés de Tapia he married a daughter of a conquistador de Hispanola" He was said to have two daughters and two sons. I believe on of these daughter to be "La Infamosa Isabel de Los Altos"
If this is accurate I have her genealogy going back for centuries. One son was said to go to Michoacán, which could probably explain the Mendoza-de la Mora line. (Cited from Gary Félix site "Genealogy of México" Page on Early Settlers of "La Nueva Galicia")Does anyone know about Rodrigo de Olivares? It's akward in records you dont hear about him and boom he shows up instantly. Did he come from Spain directly to Jalisco? -Daniel
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Hola Ronnie, this is what I found.

La titulada La Vieja del Concilio que narra la desventura de una hermosa
mujer española muy rica (que se cree fue doña Ana González Florida quien
vivió en el siglo XVII); quien fue atacada por un leoncillo que le desfiguró
el rostro, pasando la desdichada el resto de sus días con la cara cubierta;
se convirtió entonces en una mujer muy cruel que se dedicó a asaltar
diligencias y arrieros, en unión de su banda; reuniendo una gran fortuna.
Agrega la leyenda que, después de fallecida, su espíritu vagó y siguió con
sus fechorías, auxiliada por los animales feroces que la obedecían.

I have a book somewhere that talks more about it but I'll have to look for
it.

Saludos,

Rick

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I guess this just means that despite your European appearance, your child is
definitely one of "us" (smile). You know how we are....we come in all
shades and eye coloring...even within a family of siblings!

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here is an interesting film. has anyone ordered and researched it?

Title Documentos eclesiásticos, 1772-1784
Authors Iglesia Católica. Arzobispado de Guadalajara (México) (Main
Author)

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Hola Sophia,

You can add me as another cousin. I also descend from Francisco Gutierres
de Mendoza Rubio and Ana Gonzalez Florida several times over. One line is
through their daughter Catalina Gutierrez Rubio, another one through their
son Miguel Gutierrez Rubio and a third one through their daughter Ana
Gonzalez Florida (named after her mother and married to Juan Gonzalez de
Hermosillo).

As Ronnie points out, if you are researching in Los Altos we all end up
connecting somehow because of the frequency of consanguinity in the
marriages. Much has been written about this topic by several authors. Some
of the more well known are: "Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia" by Lic.
Mariano Gonzalez-Leal and "Familias Endogamicas en Saltillo y los Altos de
Jalisco" by Professor Martha Duron Jimenez. The people of los Altos are
often accused of being an elitist group. Professor Duron writes in her
previously referenced book: "Los nativos de la region de Los Altos forman un
grupo compacto, cerrado y homogeneo en sus tradiciones, con caracteristicas
muy especiales, desde las raciales hasta culturales. De toda la region
conocida como Bajio es el grupo mas tradicionalista y conservador. El
matrimonio con personas ajenas al grupo familiar no era admisible, ni lo es
aun en estos tiempos."

Anyway, if you haven't already read these books I highly recommend them.

Saludos de tu nueva prima,

Maria Cortez

New names in my Munoz line: San Juan de los Lagos

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Hola Prima!

Thank you so much Maria. I haven't read the books but I will certainly try to get my hands on them. Its all so interesting and fasinating to me especially now that I have made such a break threw!

Tu prima,

Sophia

> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:01:19 -0700> From: mcortez3@gmail.com> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New names in my Munoz line: San Juan de los Lagos> > Hola Sophia,> > You can add me as another cousin. I also descend from Francisco Gutierres> de Mendoza Rubio and Ana Gonzalez Florida several times over. One line is> through their daughter Catalina Gutierrez Rubio, another one through their> son Miguel Gutierrez Rubio and a third one through their daughter Ana> Gonzalez Florida (named after her mother and married to Juan Gonzalez de> Hermosillo).> > As Ronnie points out, if you are researching in Los Altos we all end up> connecting somehow because of the frequency of consanguinity in the> marriages. Much has been written about this topic by several authors. Some> of the more well known are: "Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia" by Lic.> Mariano Gonzalez-Leal and "Familias Endogamicas en Saltillo y los Altos de> Jalisco" by Professor Ma
rtha Duron Jimenez. The people of los Altos are> often accused of being an elitist group. Professor Duron writes in her> previously referenced book: "Los nativos de la region de Los Altos forman un> grupo compacto, cerrado y homogeneo en sus tradiciones, con caracteristicas> muy especiales, desde las raciales hasta culturales. De toda la region> conocida como Bajio es el grupo mas tradicionalista y conservador. El> matrimonio con personas ajenas al grupo familiar no era admisible, ni lo es> aun en estos tiempos."> > Anyway, if you haven't already read these books I highly recommend them.> > Saludos de tu nueva prima,> > Maria Cortez
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New DNA results for Gutierrez

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That's very interesting. Thanks for letting us know.

My nephew was born with the Mongolian blue spot. The only person in our family we believe was ever born that way. Like your haplogroups, his purplish spot at the base of his spine is like a signpost pointing across the Pacific.

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New DNA results for Gutierrez

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That IS interesting!!!!! My sister Patsy, who is the third of us four
girls and is a guera, had the same spot at the base of her spine. My
oldest daughter, Kerin, also had it as a baby. I know we descend from
Moctezuma on my father's mother's side but don't know what sort of
Indian blood my father's father's family had. Marge:)
On Jul 12, 2006, at 3:25 PM, erniealderete@charter.net wrote:

> That's very interesting. Thanks for letting us know.
>
> My nephew was born with the Mongolian blue spot. The only person in
> our family we believe was ever born that way. Like your haplogroups,
> his purplish spot at the base of his spine is like a signpost pointing
> across the Pacific.
>
> Everybody had to see his butt!
>
> Mexico has a long connection with the east. as Arturo indicated. The
> Filipinos cheered "Viva Mexico, Mabuhay!" when they heard Mexico had
> broken away from Spain. They expected it was their turn next. And
> indeed, a Mexican soldier serving in Manila declared the Independence
> of the Phillippines.
>
> But the Spaniards swiftly caught him, and hung him from the highest
> tree.
>
> The last flotilla left Las Filipinas loaded with silks and porcelains
> from China for Acapulco. and beyond.
>
> But the Mexican govenrment confiscated the goods and refused to
> compensate the Filipino merchants, bankrupting many, and bringing an
> end to the Spanish Galleon trans-Pacific trade.
>
> ---- Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
>> I had the 12 marker DNA done by my Uncle Louis Gutierrez, my mothers
>> brother, who was born in Tamazula Jalisco in 1924 but the genealogy
>> has the Gutierrez family in Chilchota Michocan in the mid 1600's to
>> 1780 or so when they migrated to Jalisco. To my surprise the results
>> came back Haplogroup N. Group N comes from China and Mongolia then
>> into Siberia... My mother was one of 8 children who all were very
>> fair skinned but do all have small slanted eyes. As a child my
>> mother was teased about her blue "Chinese eyes." and my cousin who is
>> an art instructor is always greeted by Asians as one of their own..
>> he said he believed the Gutierrez DNA would prove he had Asian
>> blood... he's the only one not surprised by the results.. The other
>> thing that surprised me was that in looking through Gary Felix's site
>> there were no other Haplogroup N participants.. that dissappointed
>> me. I had shared earlier that my MTDNA was Haplogroup A which I
>> thought explained our families slanted eyes.!
> ..
>>
>> just thought I'd share, Linda
>>
>>
>>
>>
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New DNA results for Gutierrez

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My family descends from Montezuma as well. So that blue spot might be a recessive gene in our deep, deep, ancient, Atzlan background. A badge of honor:)

I wanted to change my surname to Moctezuma. But my only sister didn't want us to have different surnames, so Alderete it will remain.

They say all Alderetes in Mexico are descended from the vilest conquistador, Julian Alderete. The gachupin who held Cuauhtemoc's feet to the fire. That's probably why Alderete is not as popular a surname in Mexico as elsewhere in Latin America, and Iberia.

Asian Ancestry in Mexico

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My paternal grandparents are both mexican born. He in San Luis Potosi and she in Guadalajara. No one ever believes I have Mexican ancestry.
Even my moms half Portuguese, but I'm tall with light skin and blue eyes.
I had a Y-DNA test done to discover the origin of my Robledo family from San Luis Potosi. My records for them run out about 1800.

My results were a surprising Haplogroup O. I have had this confirmed by two more thorough tests. My family originated in southern Asia. My closest genetic matches are in the Philipines. This completly out of the blue, many family members are amused, some , especially the ones in Mexico, don't beleive it. This explains what doctors called a "birthmark" at the base of my back. It's a mongolian spot! My son also has one.
My daughter was getting her haircut by an Asian lady and she asked my wife if her husband was Asian . She felt my daughters eyes were distinctly Asian..

My further research shows an estimate of 140, 000 people of Chinese, Japanese and Filipino descent arrived in Mexico during the colonial period, mostly by the Manila Galleon routes. There are a few towns in the Acapulco area with long known connections to the Phillipines

Has anyone else seen this result in Mexican ancestry?

Asian Ancestry in Mexico

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One of my daughters had the black "Mongolian mark" as a child and has eyes
like chinnese, another one develop the mark later on her adolecent years.
I have not done my DNA but I am very curios to do it. I was a blond girl,
light skin that I pass as american, and if I speak they think I am
Eurpoean. No one believes I am mexican either.

Beltran de la Cueva

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Hello-

I am researching the family of Beltran de La Cueva, or Beltran or De La
Cueva in the 17th century in Aguascalientes.

I am looking for info on:

Nicolasa Beltran de la Cueva AKA Nicolasa Theresa de la Cueva born abt.

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Beltran de la Cueva

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Stephanie,

Pedro de la Cueva and Elena Beltran had two children: Juan and Nicolasa
Theresa Beltran de la Cueva. Nicolasa was baptized 2 Nov 1684 at "Parroquia
de la Asunción de las Aguas Calientes". She married Miguel de Alba y
Estrada Bocanegra on August 30, 1707 at the same church where she was
baptized. They had four daughters: Theresa, baptized 11 Nov 1708,
Gertrudis, born 03 Aug 1710 and baptized 25 Aug 1710, Elena born 21 Jun 1712
and baptized 16 Jul 1712 and Catharina, baptized 19 Sep 1715, all baptized
at the Parroquia de la Asunción. Elena de Alba Bocanegra was confirmed
14 Nov 1728. She married Florentino de Jesus Xaime on 12 Feb 1736 in
Aguascalientes. Elena died before 1752, but I don't know the exact date.
I do have some information about Elena's descendants, in case you're
interested.

Juan Beltran de la Cueva married Theresa Macias Valadez on 03 Sep 1709 at
Parroquia de la Asunción. They had at least two children: Maria de la Cueva
and Juan Joseph de la Cueva.

I'm not related to any of these people but have compiled lots of
genealogical
and historical info. for this area. My database consists of more than 8,500
early settlers of Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Altos de Jalisco. Are you a
descendant of Nicolasa Beltran de la Cueva? Which other lines do you have
in Aguascalientes?

Hope this info. is useful to you.

Bill Figueroa

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To:
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:28 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Beltran de la Cueva

Hello-

I am researching the family of Beltran de La Cueva, or Beltran or De La
Cueva in the 17th century in Aguascalientes...

New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, san Miguel el Alto and Lago de Moreno

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Hello Everyone,

These are new names and dates that I have found in my Muñoz line, which come from San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, san Miguel el Alto and Lago de Moreno. The ‘m’ is for marriage.

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RE: New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan,

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Hola Sophia ,how are you ? I am related to to Cristobal Gutierrez de Mendoza through his GrandParents (my ancestors) Juan Gutirrez de Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Manuel Munoz(de Nava) and Maria de San Juan (Martin )del Campo als my ancestors. There are probably more connections.
It seems that everybody from Los Altos area are related at least by 1 or 2 ancestors.
Ronnie Reynoso every bodies cousin from Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: sceleste_m@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:32:51 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, san Miguel el Alto and Lago de Moreno> > > Hello Everyone,> > These are new names and dates that I have found in my Muñoz line, which come from San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, san Miguel el Alto and Lago de Moreno. The ‘m’ is for marriage. > I know that Jose Pedro Muñoz was a high official in the late 1800’s and left due to the Revolution.> > Sophia> > > > m1884: Jose Pedro Muñoz(1854) married Francisca Lozano(1862) San Juan de los Lagos> Jose Pedro’s parents: Jose Narcisco Muñoz(1831) & Juliana Angel(1835) San Juan de los Lagos> > Jose Narcisco’s parents: m1813-Jose Rafael Muñoz & Ma Alvina de Anda, San Juan de los Lagos> Ma Alvina’s’s parents: Jose Rafael de Anda & Josefa Ortega, San Juan de los Lagos> > Jose Rafael’s parents: Luiz Antonio Muñoz(1764) & Luiza Maria Romo(1769) San Juan de los Lagos> Luiz’s parents: Francisco Muñoz de Nava & Juana Rosario Dias de Zandi, San Juan de los Lagos> Luiza’s parents: Juan Caietano Romo & Ma Guadalupe Martin, San Juan de los Lagos> > Juliana’s parents: m1835-Jose Tiburcio Angel(1822) & Ma Trinidad Peres, San Juan de los Lagos> Tiburcio’s parents: m1815-Antonio Angel & Cleta Flores, San Juan de los Lagos> Trinidad’s parents: m1801-Antonio Peres & Ma Dolores Pacheco, San Juan de los Lagos> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Francisca’s parents: Guadalupe Lozano & Ma Lina Medina(1862) San Juan de los Lagos> Ma Lina’s parents: m1819- Jose Francisco Medina(1771) & Felipa Ramirez, San Juan de los Lagos> > Jose Francisco’s parents: m1767- Antonio Medina & Pheliciana Velasquez, San Juan de los Lagos> Pheliciana’s parents: Juan Manuel Velasquez & Ma de San Juana Urqisa> > Felipa’s parents: Ygnacio Ramirez & Marina Marquez> > Guadalupe Lozano’s parents: Jose Marcelo Lozano & Juana Gertrudis Gonzalez(1772)> Jose Marcelo’s parents: m1769-Joseph Candido Lozano(1745) & Ma Dolores Camarena(1750)Ayotlan, Jalisco> > Joseph Candido’s parents: Nicolas Lozano & Antonia Michaela Garcia> Ma Dolores’ parents: Phelipe Camarena & Ma Candelaria Padilla> > Juana Gertrudis’ parents: m1771- Nicolas Gonzalez & Maria Simona Gutierrez(1752)Jalostotitlan, Jalisco> Nicolas’ parents: Domingo Gonzalez & Gertrudis de la Torre> Maria Simona’s parents: m1749-Joseph Gutierres de Mendoza & Mariana Muñoz de Nava, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco> > Mariana’s parents: Manuel Muñoz & Maria SanJuan del Campo> Joseph’s parents:m1721-Cristobal Gutierres de Mendoza(1695) & Antonia Micaela Macial, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Conferencia de Genealogia e Historia de Los Altos

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Announcements and Events

Hola a todos,

Se les avisa que las fechas tentativas para realizar la conferencia de
genealogía e historia de Los Altos de Jalisco aquí en Valle de Guadalupe son
el sábado 26 de julio y sábado 2 de agosto. El evento constará de un día de

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Conferencia de Genealogia/Visita a Los Altos

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Hola Ricardo... Rick, right?

Estoy muy interesada en atender los dos dias. Por favor envianos mas informacion en cuanto sepas mas o menos las fechas. Segun nos cuentas aqui, aun lo estas confirmando.

Ahora mismo estoy planeando vacaciones y seria perfecto saber.

Gracias por coordinarlo!

Conferencia de Genealogia e Historia de Los Altos

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Hola a todos,

Hello everyone,

La fecha para la primera reunión anual de Nuestros Ranchos en Los Altos es
el Sábado, 2 de Agosto en Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco.

The date for our first annual Nuestros Ranchos meeting in Los Altos is
confirmed for Saturday, August 2nd here in Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco.

Se confirma la conferencia del gran historiador de Los Altos de Jalisco,
Mariano González Leal, donde estará hablando sobre la historia de Los Altos,
aquí en Valle de Guadalupe a las 11:00 AM y donde después nos acompañarán él
y su familia en una comida privada que tendremos los miembros de Nuestros
Ranchos e invitados especiales al finalizar su conferencia.

We are also excited to confirm the History of Los Altos de Jalisco
conference by the great historian, Mariano Gonzalez Leal here in Valle de
Guadalupe at 11:00 AM, where after the conference, he and his family will
accompany us in a private meal with the Nuestros Ranchos members and special
guests.

Después de la comida tendremos nuestra reunión oficial de Nuestros Ranchos,
donde gozaremos buenos productos típicos de esta región de Los Altos y donde
tendremos la oportunidad de comparar notas genealógicas y de convivir entre
nosotros.

After the meal we will have our official Nuestros Ranchos reunion, where
well enjoy some fine Los Altos regional products and where well have a
chance to compare our genealogical notes and get to know each other more.

Es importante mencionar que aunque la conferencia y eventos posteriores son
totalmente gratis, solamente la conferencia será abierta para el público en
general. También se les avisa que la comida con Don Mariano González Leal
solamente estará disponible para los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos e
invitados especiales que confirmen con tiempo su presencia, ya que la comida
se mandará preparar a según el número de asistentes confirmados.

Its important to mention that although the conference and following events
are free, only the conference will be available to open to the general
public. Also, the meal with Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal after the conference
will only be available to the Nuestros Ranchos members and special guests
that confirm their assistance with plenty of time, because the number of
food plates that will be prepared will be the same as the number of
confirmed people.

El que guste acompañarnos solo tiene que confirmar su participación con un
correo electrónico y los detalles de los eventos le serán proporcionados
enseguida. Si tienen alguna pregunta o sugerencia por favor háganmela saber.

If you wish to join us, all you need to do is confirm your assistance with
an email, and the details of the event will be sent to you afterwards. Feel
free to let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez Camarena

Los Altos de Jalisco

Conferencia de Genealogia e Historia de LosAltos

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Hi Rick:

I'll be attending the conference, put me on the list. I already have my
airline tickets!

Looking forward for an interesting and enjoyable meeting.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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From: "Rick Rodriguez"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:19
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Conferencia de Genealogia e Historia de
LosAltos

Conferencia de Genealogia e Historia de Los Altos

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Hola Rick,
Please count me and my son Johnathan in... but no plane tickets here:-) -- we'll be driving from San Antonio, TX.
Looking forward to it!

Conferencia de Genealogia e Historia de Los Altos

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OK Sandra, thanks for confirming. I'm also looking forward to meeting with
the Nuestros Ranchos members. I really hope many members can come.

Rick

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De: announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Sandra
Gomez Mendoza
Enviado el: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:02 PM
Para: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Conferencia de Genealogia e Historia de Los
Altos

Hola Rick,
Please count me and my son Johnathan in... but no plane tickets here:-) --
we'll be driving from San Antonio, TX.
Looking forward to it!

Website Changes: Family Search

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http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/

there have been some changes to this site this week:

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web site for people from Zacatecas

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Hi there Joseph ,

I thought maybe someone might like this .

Welester

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Re: Website Changes: Family Search

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Joseph,

I like that the you can now search by middle name. That is, if you search for Refugio, it will return all the Jose Refugio and/or Maria Refugio.

Thanks for the info,
Angie Godina

Noria de Angeles, Zacatecas

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Does anybody have any information on the line of Mariano Espara and Josefa Sanchez marriage of August 12,1875 in noria de angeles,Zacatecas........

Daniel Briones
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Anything can happen

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Hello there,
I personally have not yet connected anyone from the many last names on my tree to Coahuila or Nuevo Leon. About 90% of my family stayed in the 3 states, the other 10% went on to California and Chihuahua.

Diaz Family - Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, also Lun...

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Don't know if you had this already...but might this be the same Florencio
Luna and Albina Magallanez from your family?

ALVINA MAGALLANES _Pedigree_
(http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/pedigree_view.asp?recid=1002…

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Diaz Family - Tepatitlan De

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I believe it might be as well, did have this information. Awaiting some records I ordered. Also have Albina Magallanez's parents to be
Mother - Ma. Trinidad Benavides Father: Guillermo Magallanez & Florentino Luna's parents to be Domingo Luna & Julia Avila. I will be commiting more time to this in the near future. I really appreciate your help. Thank you.

Moctezuma's Palace Discovered/Unearthed

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25100456/

Hello to all,

For those of us who have the Moctezuma line. Interesting note on the news this past week...

Enjoy! This is neat!

Can't wait to visit.

Powerful "light scope" used to unearth ancient texts

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de la Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx

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Thanks to member Sally who provided more ancestors for me to research, I was able to find Nicolasa de la Torre, father Roque de la Torre, mother Juana de la Torre, christening date 24 March 1694. FHL film 439844 dates 1685-1716 recorded in Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico, two generations away from what Sally has called The Tronco of my Gonzales line.

Apellido Rizo en Jalisco

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Hola a todos!

Estoy ayudando a una amiga con su genealogia del apellido Rizo en Jalisco. Su abuelo le comenta que viene de Italianos :-)

Alguien sabe el origen del apellido Rizo en Jalisco?

Gracias!

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Rizo

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I don't know how reliable this is info is but here it is. I hope that it helps.

1 Rosario Rizo (1899 - 1970) B: 1899, D: 1970
+ Florentino Carlos (1888 - 1940) B: 04 Apr 1888 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico, D: 08
Aug 1940 in Yuma, Arizona

Introduction

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_http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16741_
(http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16741)

Hello,
This is my first time here. My name is Del.
I am very glad to be a member of this group.
The names that I am researching are: Paula RAMOS born 1-29-1876 in AGUASCALIENTES, married Guadalupe MARTINEZ born 1873 possibly ZACATECAS, Mexico. They married in 1899 possibly ZAC. ZAC., Mexico. They lived in these areas; JALISCO, AGUASCALIENTED, ZACATECAS, CALIFORNIA.

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Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas

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Hello,

My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho El Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin del Campo, and more from the same area.

My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia (Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.

I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph!

Regards,
Gabriela

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Hola Gaby, mucho gusto en que estés en este grupo. Yo soy de Tepatitlán, Jalisco y la mayoría de mis ancestros son de los Altos de Jalisco, espero poder intercambiar información contigo y poder ayudarnos los unos a los otros. Creo que podemos coincidir mas facilmente con los Martín del Campo, aunque también tengo Franco, Casillas, Alcalá y de la Torre.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas

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Hola Jorge Luis,
Muchas gracias por tu respuesta. Yo no tengo mucha informacion pero me encantaria intercambiar lo uqe tengo contigo. Tengo un pequeno arbol genealogico, lo se si puedes ver el documento en los archivos publicados en el Foro. Si no los puedes ver, te lo mando. Yo creo que lo mas conveniente es que teclee lo que tengo para comparar informacion. Ideas?
Gracias!
Gaby> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:00:03 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas> > > Hola Gaby, mucho gusto en que estés en este grupo. Yo soy de Tepatitlán, Jalisco y la mayoría de mis ancestros son de los Altos de Jalisco, espero poder intercambiar información contigo y poder ayudarnos los unos a los otros. Creo que podemos coincidir mas facilmente con los Martín del Campo, aunque también tengo Franco, Casillas, Alcalá y de la Torre.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.> _________________________________________________________________> Juega y gana, tenemos 3 Xbox a la semana.> http://club.prodigymsn.com/ > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas

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Hola Gabriela,

Yo tambien soy de Los Altos, de Valle de Gpe, Tepa, Jalos, Capilla, San
Miguel, Arandas, etc. Tengo la mayoria, sino todos los apellidos de tu mama.
Si necesitas ayuda con algo no dudes en preguntar.

Saludos desde El Valle,

Ricardo Rodriguez

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[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Gaby Olague
Enviado el: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:57 AM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos &
Zacatecas

Hello,

My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her
last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre
(Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho El Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre
(Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho
Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin
del Campo, and more from the same area.

My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva
Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia
(Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda
Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.

I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this
forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph!

Regards,
Gabriela

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Hola Ricardo,
Muchas gracias por tu respuesta. Acabo de contestar otro mensaje, de hecho pense que lo mejor es teclear la informacion que tengo, y partir de ahi a ver si ustedes tienen mas informacion.
Gracias!
Gaby> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:05:47 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas> > Hola Gabriela,> > Yo tambien soy de Los Altos, de Valle de Gpe, Tepa, Jalos, Capilla, San> Miguel, Arandas, etc. Tengo la mayoria, sino todos los apellidos de tu mama.> Si necesitas ayuda con algo no dudes en preguntar.> > Saludos desde El Valle,> > Ricardo Rodriguez> > > -----Mensaje original-----> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Gaby Olague> Enviado el: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:57 AM> Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos &> Zacatecas> > > Hello, > > My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her> last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre> (Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho E
l Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre> (Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho> Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin> del Campo, and more from the same area. > > My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva> Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia> (Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda> Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.> > I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this> forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph! > > Regards,> Gabriela> > _________________________________________________________________> Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.> http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN5…; 3A> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> genera
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Welcome, Gabriela,

My father Guadalupe Olague was born in Jerez in 1903. His father was Francisco Olague Felix Tinajero, born in Salitrillo. Francisco's parents were Pedro Olague and Rafaela Felix Tinajero. My father's mother was Gorgonia Garcia; her parents were Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez.

I have my trees in the GEDCOM files in this group. Look under Emilie Garcia. I have some DeLaTorres and Munoz in my trees.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:56 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos &Zacatecas

Hello,

I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph!

Regards,
Gabriela

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Emilie,
I will talk with my mother and ask her for complete names and last names in my father's side. I will type them and share them with you soon.
Thanks!
Gaby> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:24:11 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos &Zacatecas> > Welcome, Gabriela,> > My father Guadalupe Olague was born in Jerez in 1903. His father was Francisco Olague Felix Tinajero, born in Salitrillo. Francisco's parents were Pedro Olague and Rafaela Felix Tinajero. My father's mother was Gorgonia Garcia; her parents were Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez.> > I have my trees in the GEDCOM files in this group. Look under Emilie Garcia. I have some DeLaTorres and Munoz in my trees.> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gaby Olague > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:56 AM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos &Zacatecas> > > > Hello, > > My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho El Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin del Campo, and more from the same area. > > My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia (Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.> > I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph! > > Regards,> Gabriela> > _________________________________________________________________> Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.> http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN5…; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Gabriela, I also have all your last names in Jalisco. maybe I can help.

Miguel Gutierrez de la Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaby Olague
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:56 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos &Zacatecas

Hello,

I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph!

Regards,
Gabriela

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Miguel,
I submited the info I have in the Alcala side of my family. However, I will type to make it easier to share it via this forum. Unless you can access it already.
thanks!
Gaby> From: miggychino@msn.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:36:57 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos &Zacatecas> > Gabriela, I also have all your last names in Jalisco. maybe I can help.> > Miguel Gutierrez de la Torre> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gaby Olague > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:56 AM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos &Zacatecas> > > > Hello, > > My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho El Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin del Campo, and more from the same area
. > > My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia (Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.> > I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph! > > Regards,> Gabriela> > _________________________________________________________________> Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.> http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN5…; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -

MARTINEZ

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Does the name Guadalupe Martinez (male) or Antonio Martinez sound familiar to you?
Del

MARTINEZ

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I have an ancestor Antonio MArtínez from Calvillo. ca. 1800. -Daniel
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Gaby Olague wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho El Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin del Campo, and more from the same area.
>
> My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia (Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.
>
> I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph!
>

I'm glad to help. I'm not from this area but you'll find a lot of the
members are Alteños. Welcome to the group and please move discussions
about genealogy of our area of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
to the research@nuestrosranchos.org list. thanks

Anyone here have any Lola Beltran CD's. She has this great song about
Jalisco and I'm not sure its about Los Altos or about Jalisco in general

I've gone ahead and moved this answer to the research list.

joseph

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>
> Regards,
> Gabriela
>
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Hola Gaby ,My name is Ronnie Reynoso ,my people also herald from Los Altos.Surnames-Reynoso,Hermosillo,Magana,Centeno ,Padilla ect. and the same as ones you have Gutierrez,Casillas.Martin del Campo and so forth.
tu primo nuevo
Ronnie Reynoso> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:39:09 -0400> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas> > > > Gaby Olague wrote:> > Hello, > > > > My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho El Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin del Campo, and more from the same area. > > > > My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia (Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.> > > > I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph! > > > > I'm glad to help. I'm not from this area but you'll find a lot of the > members are Alteños. Welcome to the group and please move discussions > about genealogy of our area of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes > to the research@nuestrosranchos.org list. thanks> > Anyone here have any Lola Beltran CD's. She has this great song about > Jalisco and I'm not sure its about Los Altos or about Jalisco in general> > I've gone ahead and moved this answer to the research list.> > joseph> > ====================> > Joseph Puentes> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes > Genealogy)> > > > > > > > Regards,> > Gabriela> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.> > http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN5…; > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> >> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Hi Ronnie,
A few weeks ago, I read a message, I think it was sent to you and it included Alcala. I wonder if it was the same family.
I will submit as much info as I may gather so we can share it. Thanks!
Gaby> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:51:29 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas> > > Hola Gaby ,My name is Ronnie Reynoso ,my people also herald from Los Altos.Surnames-Reynoso,Hermosillo,Magana,Centeno ,Padilla ect. and the same as ones you have Gutierrez,Casillas.Martin del Campo and so forth.> tu primo nuevo > Ronnie Reynoso> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:39:09 -0400> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas> > > > Gaby Olague wrote:> > Hello, > > > > My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho El Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin del Campo, and more from the same area. > > > > My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia (Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.> > > > I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph! > > > > I'm glad to help. I'm not from this area but you'll find a lot of the > members are Alteños. Welcome to the group and please move discussions > about genealogy of our area of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes > to the research@nuestrosranchos.org list. thanks> > Anyone here have any Lola Beltran CD's. She has this great song about > Jalisco and I'm not sure its about Los Altos or about Jalisco in general> > I've gone ahead and moved this answer to the research list.> > joseph> > ====================> > Joseph Puentes> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes > Genealogy)> > > > > > > > Regards,> > Gabriela> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.> > http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN5…; > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> >> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi Ronnie,
A few weeks ago, I read a message, I think it was sent to you and it included Alcala. I wonder if it was the same family.
I will submit as much info as I may gather so we can share it. Thanks!
Gaby> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:51:29 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas> > > Hola Gaby ,My name is Ronnie Reynoso ,my people also herald from Los Altos.Surnames-Reynoso,Hermosillo,Magana,Centeno ,Padilla ect. and the same as ones you have Gutierrez,Casillas.Martin del Campo and so forth.> tu primo nuevo > Ronnie Reynoso> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:39:09 -0400> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gabriela researching Los Altos & Zacatecas> > > > Gaby Olague wrote:> > Hello, > > > > My name is Gabriela. My mother's family comes from Los Altos de Jalisco; her last names are Alcala Barba (El Rialengo, Jal), Alcala de la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Alcala (Rancho El Cacalote, Jalisco), De la Torre (Tepatitlan, Jal), Casillas Gutierrez Tepatitlan, Jal), Gutierrez (Rancho Santa Barbara, Jal). Also, Casillas, Gutierrez, Franco, Villasenor, Martin del Campo, and more from the same area. > > > > My father is from Zacatecas, his last names Olague (Zacatecas, Zac), Riva Palacio (aka Palacios - La Florida, Zac), De la Torre, Trejo Garcia (Morelos, Zac), Trejo Fajardo (Chupaderos, Zac), Garcia Martinez (Hacienda Nueva, Zac); Olague de la Torre (Jerez, Zac), De la Torre Munoz.> > > > I am new to genealogy, I am looking forward to learning and sharing via this forum. Thank you for your help! and thank you Joseph! > > > > I'm glad to help. I'm not from this area but you'll find a lot of the > members are Alteños. Welcome to the group and please move discussions > about genealogy of our area of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes > to the research@nuestrosranchos.org list. thanks> > Anyone here have any Lola Beltran CD's. She has this great song about > Jalisco and I'm not sure its about Los Altos or about Jalisco in general> > I've gone ahead and moved this answer to the research list.> > joseph> > ====================> > Joseph Puentes> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes > Genealogy)> > > > > > > > Regards,> > Gabriela> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.> > http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN5…; > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> >> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Introduction to Nuestros Ranchos.

I stumbled upon this sight while browsing through Yahoo. My family is
from Jalisco, mostly Jamay and La Barca. I lived in Jamay, Jalisco for
seven years from 1983 to 1990 and graduated from the ITESO in
Guadalajara. I ended up marrying a girl from Jamay (Castellanos
Flores). Her ancestors are from Jamay, Zapotlan del Rey and Rincon de
Portezuelo. Her father was Ruben Castellanos Muniz, he was the mayor of
Jamay back in 1978. My mother's brother (David Lopez Ornelas) was the
mayor of Jamay in 1973. My cousin is Esther Jordan (Lopez) and she is
also a member of NR. While in Mexico I had the privilege of
participating in the government at the local and state level. I was
named the regional delegate of the State of Jalisco's cultural, social
en sports institute (CREA). I also held several positions in a state
political party. My father's first cousin, Felix Banuelos Jimenez moved
to Arandas from Jamay and founded Tequila Cazadores, Dulceria la
Vaquita, Liquor de Cafe Kakatua, Tequila Espuelas de Oro and Aguardiente
Gallo Giro. He recently began to produce Tequila Hacienda Vieja. He
was also just recently a state congressman for the state of Jalisco.
Hopefully this connection might help the group in the future if we reach
any road blocks acquiring documents from the government, who knows. As
far as I know, my great grandfather Francisco Gomez Macias was the son
of a Prussian. Unfortunately, he was born out of wedlock and nobody
knew his fathers name.

I am completely new to genealogy research and I am very curious in
finding out more about my ancestors and willing to help anyone that I
can.

Thank you for accepting me as a member.

Daniel Jimenez Lopez

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thanks,

joseph

Second Generation:

4. Paternal Grandfather: Jesus Jimenez Jimenez, born in Jamay, Jalisco
(around 1900), died in Oxnard, Calif. Married Librada Gomez Diaz. He
was father of my father.

5. Paternal Grandmother: Librada Gomez Diaz, born in La Barca, Jalisco
(July 20, 1905), died in Oxnard, Calif. She was mother of my father.

6. Maternal Grandfather: Felipe Lopez Jimenez, born in Jamay (Aug 23,
1898), died Feb 21, 1989 in Jamay. Married Carmen Ornelas on July 7,
1917. Father of my mother.

7. Maternal Grandmother: Carmen Ornelas Cortez, born in Guadalajara
(Nov 28, 1900), died in Jamay (Nov 7, 1996). Mother of my mother.

Third Generation:
8. Paternal Great Grandfather: Alejo Jimenez, born in Jamay. Married
Natalia Jimenez. He was father of Jesus Jimenez Jimenez.

9. Paternal Great Grandmother: Natalia Jimenez, born in Jamay. She
was mother of Jesus Jimenez Jimenez.

10. Paternal Great Grandfather: Francisco Gomez Macias, born in
Degollado, Jalisco. Married Pascuala Diaz Cortez. He was father of
Librada Gomez Diaz.

11. Paternal Great Grandmother: Pascuala Diaz Cortes, born in
Degollado, Jalisco. She was mother of Librada Gomez Diaz.

12. Maternal Great Grandfather: Jose de Jesus Lopez Velasco, born in
Rancho La Barca, Jalisco (June 29, 1858), died Oct 30, 1935 in Jamay.
Married Ruperta Jimenez (Sisneros?) Murrillo. Father of Felipe Lopez
Jimenez.

13. Maternal Great Grandmother: Ruperta Jimenez (Sisneros?) Murrillo,
born in Rancho La Barca (around 1863), died in Jamay (around 1908). She
was mother of Felipe Lopez Jimenez.

14. Maternal Great Grandfather: Doroteo Ornelas, born in Penjamo,
Guanajuato. Married Rosa Cortez Garcia. He was father of Carmen
Ornelas Cortez.

15. Maternal Great Grandmother: Rosa Cortez Garcia, born in Santa Cruz
de Astilleros, Jalisco (1881). She was mother of Carmen Ornelas Cortez.
Her siblings: Guadalupe, Maria Nestora, Refugio, Baldomero, Savas,
Casimira & Maria Merced.

Fourth Generation:

- Paternal Great Great Grandfather: Jose Gomez, father of Francisco
Gomez.

- Maternal Great Great Grandfather: Jose Rafael Lopez Aguilar, born in
Michoacan, christened on April 19, 1833 in La Barca, Jalisco. Married
Maria Guadalupe Velasco. He was father of Jesus Lopez Velasco.

- Maternal Great Great Grandmother: Maria Guadalupe Velasco Ortega,
born in Michoacan. She was mother of Jesus Lopez Velasco.

- Maternal Great Great Grandfather: Jose Trinidad Jimenez (Sisneros?),
Married Cevera Murrillo (Severa). He was father of Ruperta Jimenez
(Sisneros?) Murrillo.

- Maternal Great Great Grandmother: Cevera Murrillo. She was mother
of Ruperta Jimenez (Sisneros?) Murrillo.

- Maternal Great Great Grandfather: Santos Cortez Cortez, born in
Santa Cruz de Astilleros, Jalisco. He was father of Rosa Cortez Garcia.
Married Leocadia Garcia de Leon on May 21, 1866.

- Maternal Great Great Grandmother: Leocadia Garcia de Leon, born in
Santa Cruz de Astilleros. She was mother of Rosa Cortez Garcia.

Fifth Generation:

- Antonio Lopez, father of Jose Rafael Lopez Aguilar. Married Luqarda
Aguilardc.

- Lugarda Aguilar. Mother of Jose Rafael Lopez Aguilar.

- Manuel Velasco, father of Maria Guadalupe Velasco Ortega. Married
Maria Estefania Ortega.

- Maria Estefania Ortega, mother of Maria Guadalupe Velasco Ortega.

- Guadalupe Cortez, Father of Santos Cortez Cortez. He married
Vicenta Cortez.

- Vicenta Cortez, Mother of Santos Cortez Cortez.

Introduction

Comment

Hi,

My name is Marilyn Otero Beteta and I am interested in researching the
Casillas, Gutierrez, Jauregui, and other families from El Valle de Guadalupe. I
married into this wonderful family and I have learned a lot from them. I am
happy to have found this site and to be able to share the history with everyone.
I look forward to the adventure of getting to know more as time goes on.
Thank you very much.

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Introduction (Marilyn)

Comment

Hello Marilyn,

I might be able to help with your research. I have some info that I think
you'll be interested in about the Casillas, Gutierrez, Jauregui and other
families from Valle de Guadalupe.
May I ask who you're married to?

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

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Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction

Hi,

happy to have found this site and to be able to share the history with
everyone.
I look forward to the adventure of getting to know more as time goes on.
Thank you very much.

_http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16741_
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Comment

My name is Anita Morales and my research is in Zacatecas, Tepetango and Juanchorrey, Zacatecas Mexico and Distrito Federal Mexico. My ancestors are as follows:

Maria Gonzalez b: May 24, 1885 in Zacatecas Zac d: May 11, 1967 in San Antonio Tx. Her 1st marriage was to Juan Brena. He was a doctor and they lived in DF Mex until his death about 1917. Her 2nd marriage was to Pedro Alvarado b: Feb 23, 1890 in Matehuala SLP Mex d: Feb 18, 1989

She was the daughter of Marcelo Gonzalez b: abt 1857 in Zacatecas, married Aug 27, 1879 to Nestora Rodriguez b: Feb 26, 1864 d: May 09, 1941 in San Antonio Tx

Marcelo was the son of Juan Jose Jesus Gonzalez b: abt Feb 08, 1833 in Tepetango, married March 04, 1851 to Maria de Jesus Banuelos b: abt 1837 in Rancho de la Macita Zac.

Juan Jose was son of Juan Nepomuceno Gonzalez b: abt 1794 in Juanchorrey and married Feb 04, 1822 to Maria Vicenta Carlos and secondly to Marcela Carlos on July 16, 1835

Juan Nepomuceno was son of Juan Jose Faustino Gonzalez and Maria Gertrudis Salinas

Juan Jose Faustino was son of Fernando Gonzalez and Barbara Gallegos

This is where I lose my trail. Oral history from various relatives have raised some interesting question which I will ask of the group in future posting. For now, does anyone have any info on my ancestors or any suggestions as to where to go next. Thanks

Introduction

Comment

I suppose your line ends at 1730 abt? In Jérez, Zac

I got this:

JOSEPH PHELIPE DE JESUS GONZALES GALLEGOS
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

19 FEB 1764
Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
FERNANDO GONZALES
Family

Mother:
BARBARA SEBASTIANA GALLEGOS

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C600803
1761 - 1771
0439846
Film
NONE

Sheet: -Daniel MDC
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Introduction

Comment

Thank you, Daniel, for your reply. Yes, my line ends about 1730 and quite possibly in Jerez as one of my source document shows "San Juan Bautista de Tepetongo ---- de Parroquia de Xerez". I am not familiar with locations and parishes in that area. Possibly Joseph Phelipe de Jesus Gonzalaes Gallegos was a brother. Luck has it, I cannot find my source document showing Juan Jose Faustino Gonzalez, born 23 Feb 1766, father Fernando Gonzalez and mother Barbara Gallegos. This info is in my notes. Am I correct in assuming that the info you gave me was from FHC films. Can I find this on FamilySearch.com? Again, Thanks - Anita

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Daniel Mendez wrote:

From: Daniel Mendez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 8:56 PM

I suppose your line ends at 1730 abt? In Jérez, Zac
I got this:JOSEPH PHELIPE DE JESUS GONZALES GALLEGOS
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
19 FEB 1764
Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: FERNANDO GONZALES
Family
Mother: BARBARA SEBASTIANA GALLEGOS
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or
christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C600803
1761 - 1771
0439846
Film
NONE
Sheet: -Daniel MDC
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Comment

Yes, you can trust me! Here is the film

1761 - 1771 Jérez

0439846

Im pretty sure it was included in the previous post. As you may have notice the farther back you get the easier its suppose to be. My guess would be to order marriage years for abt when Fernando and Bárbara should have married. -daniel

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Gonzalez Banuelos

Comment

It will be awhile before I get back to my FHC to do some look ups but
I'm curious if we might be Banuelos cousins. Here are possibly other
children of Juan Gonzalez and Jesus Banuelos. Have you already looked
these up? Who are the parents of Maria de Jesus Banuelos?:

PABLO GONZALES BANUELOS Pedigree
27 JUN 1855 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
Father: JUAN GONZALES Family
Mother: JESUS BANUELOS
C600836 1850 - 1858 0445161
=======================================
YNES GONZALES BANUELOS Pedigree
20 APR 1857 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
Father: JUAN GONZALES Family
Mother: JESUS BANUELOS
C600836 1850 - 1858 0445161
==================================
ANIZETO GONZALEZ BANUELOS Pedigree
28 APR 1862 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
Father: JUAN GONZALEZ Family
Mother: JESUS BANUELOS
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type:
Printout Call No.: Type:
C600837 1859 - 1869 0445162

joseph

====================

Anita Morales wrote:
> My name is Anita Morales and my research is in Zacatecas, Tepetango and Juanchorrey, Zacatecas Mexico and Distrito Federal Mexico. My ancestors are as follows:
>
> Maria Gonzalez b: May 24, 1885 in Zacatecas Zac d: May 11, 1967 in San Antonio Tx. Her 1st marriage was to Juan Brena. He was a doctor and they lived in DF Mex until his death about 1917. Her 2nd marriage was to Pedro Alvarado b: Feb 23, 1890 in Matehuala SLP Mex d: Feb 18, 1989
>
> She was the daughter of Marcelo Gonzalez b: abt 1857 in Zacatecas, married Aug 27, 1879 to Nestora Rodriguez b: Feb 26, 1864 d: May 09, 1941 in San Antonio Tx
>
> Marcelo was the son of Juan Jose Jesus Gonzalez b: abt Feb 08, 1833 in Tepetango, married March 04, 1851 to Maria de Jesus Banuelos b: abt 1837 in Rancho de la Macita Zac.
>
> Juan Jose was son of Juan Nepomuceno Gonzalez b: abt 1794 in Juanchorrey and married Feb 04, 1822 to Maria Vicenta Carlos and secondly to Marcela Carlos on July 16, 1835
>
> Juan Nepomuceno was son of Juan Jose Faustino Gonzalez and Maria Gertrudis Salinas
>
> Juan Jose Faustino was son of Fernando Gonzalez and Barbara Gallegos
>
> This is where I lose my trail. Oral history from various relatives have raised some interesting question which I will ask of the group in future posting. For now, does anyone have any info on my ancestors or any suggestions as to where to go next. Thanks
>
>
>
>