Nuestros Ranchos Site

If anyone in the group would like to work on this project it would be great
if you would bring some attention to the http://nuestrosranchos.org group if
the findings get presented on PBS.

Here is some information I received directly from Aaron with some info
posted on the Zacatecas rootsweb group included at the bottom:

As stated before, I am a researcher for a PBS show called Finding Your
Roots, that explores race, culture, and identity through the genealogies and
family histories of notable celebrities.
I am trying to trace the line of Jose de La Lus Ramirez, born March 1781 in
Jerez, Zacatecas, and the line of Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera, born
December 14, 1755 in El Durazno, Zacatecas, and died Jun 19, 1799 in El
Durazno, Zacatecas.
We're trying to see if we can take these two people's families back to
Spain, which would probably be about two or three generations. We've already
checked the obvious places for records but have turned nothing up, so if
there is anyone with any leads or who would be interested in helping out, we
would be enormously appreciative.
I did some searching on your site and found Miguel Caldera, who has obvious
ties to Spain (through his father) and while it is entirely unknown whether
Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera is related to him, it could be a lead?

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Today's Topics:

1. PBS Researcher looking for Zacatecas Genealogist
(gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:40:22 -0000
From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com"
Subject: [MEX-ZACATECAS] PBS Researcher looking for Zacatecas
Genealogist
To:

Author: akalischerco
Surnames: de la Lus Ramirez, Caldera
Classification: lookup

Message Board URL:

http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.mexico.zacatecas/2051/mb…

Message Board Post:

I'm working on a PBS show and am trying to take the lines of Jose de La Lus
Ramirez of Jerez, Zacatecas, and Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera of El
Durazno, Zacatecas, back to Spain (probably about two generations). Is there
anyone who could attempt to do this? The answer may lie in civil or church
records, but I have been unable to find any that help.
Aaron

The NGGS will be having another great conference. Please click on this link
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/NGGSFlyer.jpeg for all the details. Save the
date and come prepared to learn.

For more information contact Alicia Carrillo or Martin Perez (email
addresses in the linked material)

Attached is a link to a map of the indigenous tribes of Mexico. I've never seen such a detailed current day map.

http://static.squarespace.com/static/5075febfe4b0782fde5414d9/t/52c75d8…

Can anyone help me with Lopez de Elisalde line? Nicolas Lopez de Elisalde and Regina de Albarado? Does anyone have their complete genealogy? Thanks.

Bill, Who are the lizaldes you have? My oldest Elizalde on my pedigree is Rumauldo ELIZALDE born abt 1842? Anyone else reasearching this surname? My Elizaldes are from Huanusco, Zacatecas. What I do know is they are from AGUASCALIENTES they came to Huanusco, Zac around 1812? About that time. Maybe we are related BILL?-DANIEL MENDEZ DEL CAMINO

Buen dia a todos

tengo algunas dudas sobre el linaje de geronima escoto rodas esposa de juachin muñoz de la barba no tengo a los padres de geronima escoto rodas ortiz nacio aprox 1672 y sus hijos nacidos en aguascalientes entre los años 1696 a 1716 en aguascalientes , en el new.familysearch.org encontrer un linaje donde se mencionan a una persona con el nombre de geronima escoto tovar nacida aproximadamente en 1677 y que es hija de ignacio escoto tovar este asu vez bautizado el 24 julio 1651 y beatriz morales fallecio el 4 octubre 1726, y de este ignacio hijo de antonio escoto tovar y de ines ortiz de rodas ,esta ultima hija de hernando ortiz de peguero y de ines de rodas estos casados el 17 feb 1615 en lagos de moreno. ines de rodas hija de hernando de villegas y de ines lopez de nava csado 8 sept 1588 lagos de moreno.

mi pregunta es si es cierto esta informacion del linaje de geronima? sera la misma persona?

y si alguien me podria ayudar o tiene alguna documentacion que me podria ayudar hacer esta coneccion .
se los agradeceria mucho

que tengas un excelente dia

saludos

Thank you for allowing me to be part of their group!

My name is Martha, I am mexican married with a german man and living in Germany. 

I have been studying my genealogy for over 7 years. One of my ancestors was Jacobo Ugarte y Loyola, who was born in Cegama, Guipuzcoa, Espana. He was a militar sent to New Spain where he was Governor of Coahuila and Puebla and General Commandant of the Internal Provinces, and latter Mayor (Intendente) of Guadalajara, he died in Guadalajara, Jalisco in august 1798. According with Juan Bautista Iguínez, he made his will also in August 1798 ahead of Manuel Francisco de Ortea. He rested in San Francisco´s temple also in Guadalajara. 

Unfortunately I was not able to know the contest of his will neither to visit the temple.

I hope someone can help me to find more information about him and his will! 

regards,

Martha 

Oh my God! I found the matrimonio of my GGGG Grandparents Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar which is in the year 1760 and I am shocked from where it says about their origins!

http://oi62.tinypic.com/ot233n.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-27558-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Says, "Joseph Francisco Madera mestizo originario de Mesquitic y vecino de este pueblo hijo legitima de Blas Madera y Maria Theresa Abila"

And about Maria Leocadia Huizar: "con Maria Leocadia Espanola de Pedro Huizar y Maria Magdalena Navarette Espanoles de originales del Valle Balparaiso (Valparaiso)"

What???? I am stunned! I cleary have Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar son, Juan Venancio (Benancio) Madera Espanol being born in "Rancho De Los Maderas in 1762! Which I have posted earlier:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/9kmdn8.jpg

Also have proof in a defunto record when Maria Leocadia De Huizar Espanola passed away in 1813 at 30 that she is from Rancho De Ximulco:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/sglc77.jpg

So that makes Francisco Madera the brother of Lazaro Madera (which I posted ealier) since their parents are "Blas Madera and Maria Theresa Abila.

Francisco Madera would also be the uncle of "Marcelo Madera" who was the owner of "Rancho De Los Maderas" in a census of 1828 (I only copied first page) where it shows "Don Marcelo Madera and Juana Ramirez" first on the list:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2820pz5.jpg

This also makes Marcelo Madera first cousin of my paternal GGG Grandfather Juan Venancio (Benancio) Madera. Funny is they are both my GGG Grandfathers since both of them have direct lineage to my Grandfather Antonio Madera Madera. Where Juan Benancio Madera goes through my grandfather's paternal side and Marcelo Madera goes through my grandfathers maternal side:

Antonio Madera Madera:

Paternal Side:
Calixto Madera De La Paz (Ximulco, Cerro Blanco
Patricio Madera (1792 Ximulco)/Maria Dimas De La Paz, Espanola
Juan Venancio Madera Espanol 1762 Rancho Maderas/Maria Josefa? Geronima Fernandez?
Joseph Francisco Madera(Rancho Madera) /Maria Leocadia De Huizar (Ximulco)
Blas Madera/Maria Theresa Abila

Maternal Side:

Maria Clemencia Madera (Rancho De Los Maderas)wife of Calixto Madera De La Paz
Benito Madera (Rancho De LosMadera)1833/Maria Estanislada Ramirez
Marcelo Madera (Rancho De Los Madera) /Juana Ramirez
Lazaro Madera (Rancho De Los Madera)/Juana Micaela Perales
Blas Madera/Maria Theresa Abila

Oh my God did we Maderas originate from Mesquitic and moved over to Huejuquilla? So when did "Rancho De Los Madera's was founded? Because then I assume it could have been founded by either Blas Madera or the son Francisco Madera. But it making me think it could Blas Madera that founded Rancho De Los Madera's after coming over from Mesquitic.

At the same time the parents of my GGGG Grandmother Maria Loecadia Huizar, Espanola (Ximulco) who are Pedro Huizar and Maria Magdalena Navarette, Espanoles from Valparaiso came over to Huejuquilla and established themselves at Rancho Ximulco where Maria Leocadia De Huizar, Espanola was born.

Wow! But anyway to describe how my Grandfather Antonio Madera Madera looks like, he has a light complexion with blue eyes. Also a very old man in Huejuquilla by the last name Rimoldi told me he met my Great Grandfather Calixto Madera when he was already old in the early 1900's. And he describe him as looking very European with blue eyes. Most of Dad's brother and sisters have blue eyes but my Dad and another sister have brown eyes.

Estoy trabajando arduamente en mi árbol genealógico y estoy atorado en mi linea Vásquez los cuales pertenecían a los Altos de Jalisco especialmente de Atotonilco el Alto, lo que he encontrado va así:

Fernando Vásquez nació de Isabel Vásquez Torres y Concepción Torres Marin
Isabel Vásquez Torres(mejor conocido como el "Tata Chabelo") nació de Donaciano Vásquez y Simona Torres
Donaciano Vásquez nació de Dimas Vásquez y Juana Flores...

Mi abuelo Fernando Vásquez relataba que su abuela (probablemente Juana Flores)era descendiente de los Ingleses,los cuales algunos de ellos compartian terreno con los españoles en los Altos de Jalisco, el decia que su abuelita tenia una colita que sobresalia de su vertebra, según el todos los ingleses que vivian en aquellas tierras las tenian, si alguno de ustedes tiene mas información de este grupo de Ingleses en Jalisco y si la puede compartir conmigo seria fantastico...

Saludos!

>
Hola Jose Maria Vallejo,

Mi nombre es Linda Romero. I know very little Spanish.

Mi familia: Fernando de la Torre, b. 1830 in Tepatitlan de Morelos,
Jalisco, married Maria Gutierrez. The had children named Marcelina,
b. 1853; Margarita, b. 1855; and Jesus, b. 1859. They have other
children I do not know the names of. Marcelina married Jose Manuel
Romero in 1870 in Tepatitlan. Manuel Romero & Marcelina de la Torre
had children named Marcos, Serapio, Jose, Martiniana, Castulo, Luisa,
Maria de Jesus, Emilia, Manuel, and Abigail. Castulo Romero de la
Torre married Sofia de la Torre Romero. Mi padre es Ramon Romero,
hijo of Castulo Romero, b. abt. 1880 & Sofia de la Torre. Sofia es
hijo of Jose de la Torre and Elena Romero.

Are these people in your de la Torre/Gutierrez family?

Linda Romero

I need to hook up with anyone in the group that can answer a question or two
about Facebook. I am currently lining up individuals from facebook whose
listed surname is Puentes. I have started sending out messages inviting
these potential members of my family to do a comparison Y-DNA test.

My question regarding Facebook:

1) A long while back I got suspended for sending out Too Many message
invitations to the Vegan Podcast I started. Now being out of touch with FB
for awhile I don't know their current policy. Are you aware of how many
messages I can send per day to "non-friends" via copy and paste before I get
put on the "Watch" list for possible suspension of my privileges?

Your help is much appreciated as I'd like to send out some messages everyday
but want to stay a bit below the threshold of where FB's red flags start
appearing.

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Hi primos!

Does anyone know or have any information as to why a baby would be registered by her father as his natural child and then state that the mother is unknown? What would be the reasoning for not stating the mother's name?

Thank you,

Erika

Tengo informacion sobre mis antepasados de la familia De La Torre Ledezma del municipio de Jalostotitlan hasta 1616
Mi antepasado Clemente De La Torre Ledezma, si alguin gusta mas informacion o tiene informacion de Los ante pasa dos mas antipasados
Por favor dejenmelo saber. Gracias
Jose Alfredo De La Torre

I have been searching for this marriage record and cant seem to find it ( Im probably not looking in the right church). Maybe fresher eyes could find it for me. Please and thank you.

Its the marriage record for my gggg grandparents.

Name: Jose Cayetano Ruiz De Esparza
Birthplace: San Vicente
Spouse's Name: Maria Antonia Macias
Spouse's Birthplace: Cruz De Lobato
Event Date: 09 Sep 1820
Event Place: Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Father's Name: Gabino Ruiz De Esparza
Mother's Name: Maria Luisa Valadez
Spouse's Father's Name: Patricio Macias
Spouse's Mother's Name: Maria Nicolasa Diaz

Gracias,
Marylouise

i tried out that tool and put the setting on 25 chromosomes showing both heterozygous and homozygous results. that results were kind of confusing. here's the copy/paste of the results. can anyone make sense of these results?

RSID Chr Position (B36) Genotype %Occurrence Gene Matching Origins
rs10088365 8 10134808 Ag 0.017507 MSRA
rs2240801 17 46105801 Ag 0.0439136 ABCC3
rs829062 12 21845568 gT 0.0525578 ABCC9
rs1069915 12 21813381 aC 0.0701262 KCNJ8
rs8177743 10 6035056 cT 0.0875503 IL15RA Eritrea
rs35335722 12 10202159 aG 0.113995
rs11568365 2 169560131 GG 0.123444 SPC25
rs12570091 10 128159445 Ag 0.137011 C10orf90
rs12435710 14 57808196 Ct 0.140723 PSMA3 Guatemala
Mayan
Mexico
New Mexico, USA
rs17837645 7 155705267 Ag 0.145615 Croatia
rs8105775 19 4459945 Ag 0.145647 KIAA1881
rs267034 5 117010501 aC 0.16672 Colombia
East Asian
rs12595405 15 79807815 cT 0.17784 Mexico
rs3739806 9 86681441 Ct 0.178494 Switzerland
rs2299900 7 139328532 cT 0.204786 JHDM1D Guatemala
rs3756787 6 131999548 aG 0.209723 Ecuador
El Salvador
Ireland
Norway
rs2297632 1 94289754 CC 0.220193 ABCA4 East Asian
Norway
rs10743868 12 10113019 cT 0.221072 France
Poland
rs28364601 2 10502815 Ag 0.23511 HPCAL1 Guatemala
Mayan
Mexico
rs1575033 7 143505793 Ct 0.253752 ARHGEF5 Guatemala
rs12494041 3 115039120 aG 0.262904 Iran
rs12675844 8 137159846 Ag 0.268904 Guatemala
Mayan
rs12492542 3 114850862 Ct 0.2734 KIAA2018 Colombia
Iran
Mexico
rs4147824 1 94333563 CC 0.278009
rs433032 3 13368384 GG 0.278087 NUP210

Does anyone have the descendants of Pedro Huizar and Magdalena Navarrete
from VAlparaiso Zacatecas or tell me were to search please!?!?!??!?! I
think my gg grandfather could descend from them!! And I cant find any info
from.him, his name is Marto Huizar born about 1860 and 1880 so I think
There would be like 5-6 generations between your pedro huizar and my marto
huizar and have to be child of only men!!!
El jun 10, 2014 5:08 PM,
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2. Re: Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno
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3. Re: PBS Researcher Needs Help (mcortez)
4. Re: Matrimonkio of My GGGG (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
5. Re: Maderas and de la Paz (zacatecano020@hotmail.com)
6. Re: Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno (Ronald Reynoso)
7. Re: PBS Researcher Needs Help (Joseph Puentes)
8. Re: Villalobos y Ximenez de Nochistlan (Armando)
9. Re: Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno (Armando)
10. Re: Maximo de la Paz (zacatecano020@hotmail.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 17:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maderas
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Now I am more stunned that I just realized that Ed Serros, one of the
members of this website has already found my GGGGG Grandfather Blas Madera
and I copied the part in what he wrote on one of my past posts:

"I too have family from the areas you describe. For what it is worth, I
have repeatedly found the Madera family not only in Huejuquilla el Alto but
in the nearby town of Mezquitic, Jalisco. The marriages and baptisms of the
Maderas in Mezquitic date back to at least 1686 (Mormon film numbers
1164940 and 1164952). I suspect this is the same family since these towns
were all frontier land back then. The elite (well-to-do mestizos, criollos,
and the rare peninsular) all intermarried; distance was not a major issue
but "class" was. It was preferable to marry a non-NAI. The ultimate prize
for a criollo family was to marry a peninsular but it was OK to marry
another criollo or well-to-do mestizo (re-labeled "espanol"), near as I can
figure from my review of centuries of records in the local area and books
that I have read. Bottom line: I think we are talking about the same Madera
family, with branches thereof. Also by 1686, at least one of the Madera
family members, Blas Madera, so
n of Joseph Madera and Josepha Basquez, was labeled as mestizo. He married
into the espanol Avila family: wife Maria Theresa Avila, daughter of Miguel
de Avila and Gertrudis de Robles, both "espanoles." The Robles and Madera
family continued to intermarry for at least a century or two."

Thank you Ed Serros! That is the Blas Madera who is my GGGGG Grandfather
and to confirm it the wife is Maria Theresa Avila.

So Blas Madera is the son of Joseph Madera and Josepha Basquez? That gives
me another generation to make them my GGGGGG Grandparents.

I am also curious about Pedro Huizar and Maria Magdalena Navarette who are
from Valparaiso and the parents of my GGGG Grandmother Maria Leocadia De
Huizar.

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:53:15 -0700
From: Daniel Alejandro M?ndez de Torres y Camino

To: Nuestros Ranchos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno
Message-ID:
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Ronnie,

This is my line. Independently, as historians or researchers we must prefer
primary sources, as in documents that were made in the moment of the event.
Thus, a marriage record is primary due to the fact that the marriage is
occurring before the priest. A dispensa would be considered secondary,
though it can be primary if a witness actually knew the ancestors and had
information pertaining to the ancestry of an individual. Could you pass the
link where I can study this dispensa? I am interested. I have already found
numerous dispensas with major errors, others with only some mistakes; for
the most part they are very reliable.

I descend from Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno in the following manner, just to
mention a couple of generations:

Please call Carlos Yturralde and let him know we are interested in this project.

From: Carlos Yturralde [mailto:cmyturralde@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:54 PM
To: Clean@h2opodcast.com
Subject: Fojas Perdidas

Hi Joseph,
The Hispanic Heritage Project has just started a project called “Fojas Perdidas.” We as researchers will come against a wall where the paper trail has come to an abrupt end where there are no records. Our quest is to find those records.
For those of us who are doing Hispanic research in Mexico, we use FamilySearch, which is our greatest source of information. We are eternally grateful for the work that the Utah Genealogy Society has done in microfilming the Catholic sacramental records as well as the Priest who diligently recorded that history. We likewise are indebted to FamilySearch in digitizing those records and continuing imaging more records and having access to those images online.
What most researchers are not aware of is that when the Utah Genealogy Society microfilmed the parish records, they filmed the copies that were kept in the diocese. As is the practice, the Church requires each parish to create two copies. One is kept at the parish and the other sent to the diocese archive. We have found that sometimes not all the copies made their way to the diocese and are still in the parishes not yet filmed or imaged. These are the missing records we shall find and image. In a few cases there were small parishes that were not filed at all. Our goal is to identify those fojas perdidas and work to get them online.
This requires a small pueblito. We have a volunteer camera operator to image the records, but we need volunteers to create tables of content of the images that are online. Then the camera operator can use it to identify the missing records so they can then be imaged and made available on FamilySearch. Since one of the areas we are looking into is Jalisco we are hoping maybe Nuestros Ranchos would join our effort. Give it some thought and if you think that is possible please give me a call.
Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project
760-484-6528

https://www.flickr.com/photos/whiskaz27/3570636568

while they kind of cress like huicholes, the image is titled ninos zacatecanos. i did some research, and i couldn't find out for sure what clothing zacatecanos wore exactly.

I am just finding out new information and just realized that Pedro De Huizar and Maria Magalena Navarette of Valparaiso had two sons that married into my Madera ancestors:

In 1760, Maria Leocadia De Huizar with Francisco Madera
In 1784, Justo De Huizar with Polonia Casilda Madera

Polonia Madera is the daughter of Lazaro Madera/Juana Micaela Perales. Lazaro Madera is the brother of Francisco Madera both of whom are in Rancho De Los Maderas at that time. Maria Leocadia de Huizar resided in Rancho Ximulco.

Here is a copy of the marriage between Justo De Huizar (Valparaiso) and Polonia Casilda Madera (Rancho De Los Maderas):

http://oi61.tinypic.com/21n1pnb.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-5393-26?cc=1874591&wc=…

And in the census (Padrones) of 1828, Polonia Madera was 66 years old and also lists some of the people with "Huizar" surnames right under her name. This is from Rancho De Los Maderas:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/28lchdz.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-6102-19?cc=1874591&wc=…

So then Marcelo Madera, who is the son of Lazaro Madera/Juana Micaela Perales, is the brother of Polonia Madera. He is listed first on the list.

I have commonly seen the term "hijo de padres no conosidos" which I understand.

I occasionally see the term "hijo lejitimo digo de padres no connsidos." What does this mean? If the child is legitimate, why are the parents' names not given?

The records I am researching are baptisms of Indians in the 1800-1815 period. "Padres no conosidos" is very common, perhaps more than a third of the baptisms.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I'm reguesting a lead on Bartholome Delgado and Francisca Merquelin Chevarria my 9th Great grandparents. They married on April 3, 1701 in Pinos, Zacatecas. I have their marriage dispensation that provides their parents names Francisco Delgado and
Petra Martin Chaves and Francisco Merquelin Chevarria and Juana Delgado y Valensuela.

Marriage Dipensation Guadalajara, Diocesis de Guadalajara, matrimonios 1700-1705 Source number 168605/159-162.

Through information from Nuestros Ranchos I also have validation that when widowed Francisco Delgado married Juana Delgado y Valensuela in 1700 at Pinos, Zacatecas.

I would appreciate help in finding documentation to continue my tree!
Carolina

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Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 2:58 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
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Joseph,

Can you post this again on NR please. Thanks, Alicia

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2. 10:50 – 11:50 AM - How to find the common ancestors from the autosomal testing, including the X-chromosome

3. 12:00 noon to 1:00 PM – Comparing the 3 DNA Companies.

Lunch – 1:00 pm to 1:45 - Lunch will be catered on site

Teddi Montes

4. 1:45 – 2:45 PM - The Californio DNA Project/El Proyecto de ADN de los Californios

5. 2:45 – 3:45 PM - Finding and Following: A Historical Overview of Two Californio surnames

Steven Francisco Hernàndez-Lòpez

6. 3:45 – 4:45 PM - "Santos, Cristeros, Rancheros y Tequileros"

A biographical, genealogical, historical, and cultural analysis of the impact the Catholic Church has had on the soul of Los Altos de Jalisco.

7. 4:45-5:45 PM - Presentation 2: Origins and history of the ORNELAS Family.

Sunday Aug 3, 2014, Optional, no host – 10 AM, Brunch at El Torito, 2950 Lakeside Dr, Santa Clara, CA 95054, Cross Streets: Between Tannery Way and Peterson Way (408) 727-4426

Sunday Aug 3, 2014, Optional, no charge – Tour and lecture by Evelyn Martinez of Los Fundadores of Alta California at the Headman Inman House, 1509 Warburton Ave, Santa Clara, CA 95050, to view the historical collection of Los Fundadores de Alta California.

Could the following be the Jose de la Lus Ramires you are looking for? The other person must be his brother.

If additional help is needed, let me know.

Best regards,
Judith Marentes

Josef De La Luz Ramirez Felix,
"Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950"
Name: Josef De La Luz Ramirez Felix
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 Mar 1781
Christening Place: JEREZ, JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS, ZACATECAS, MEXICO
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Pedro Ramirez
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Gertrudis Felix
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J60080-5
System Origin: Mexico-ODM
GS Film number: 439848
Reference ID:

Citing this Record
"México, bautismos, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSSQ-L1M : accessed 08 Jun 2014),
Josef De La Luz Ramirez Felix, 15 Mar 1781; citing JEREZ, JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS, ZACATECAS, MEXICO, reference ;
FHL microfilm 439848.

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Jose Elogio Ramires Felix,
"Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950"
Name: Jose Elogio Ramires Felix
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Mar 1774
Christening Place: JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Pedro Ramires
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Gertrudis Felix
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J60080-4
System Origin: Mexico-ODM
GS Film number: 439847
Reference ID:

Citing this Record
"México, bautismos, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N2MY-KHP : accessed 08 Jun 2014),
Jose Elogio Ramires Felix, 26 Mar 1774; citing JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ;
FHL microfilm 439847.

Found the matrimonio of the Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales in the year 1758, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales are the "maternal" ggg grandparents of my grandfather "Antonio Madera Madera" since my paternal great grandparents are Calixto Madera De La Paz and Maria Clemencia Madera. So that makes Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales my gggg grandparents through side of Maria Clemencia Madera.

Here is part of the copy of the matrimonio in 1758:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/28vaurp.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-27987-55?cc=1874591&wc…

Lazaro Madera is the son of "Blas Madera and Theresa De Abila"

This is great because now I found another generation "Blas Madera" to keep backtracking.

In 1783 Lazaro Madera passed away from a lightening strike. His wife Juana Micaela Perales passed away at the age of 68 in 1804.

The son of Lazaro Madera is name Marcelo Madera and in the census of 1828 Marcelo Madera is first on the list as the owner of Rancho De Los Maderas.

I am still trying to find who the parents are of Francisco Madera. Francisco Madera is the paternal ggg grandfather of my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera. Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar are my Paternal gggg grandparents.

Francisco Madera/Maria Leocadia De Huizar
Lazaro Madera/Juana Micaela Perales

Are the same generations of paternal and maternal ggg grandparents of my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera and they are my gggg grandparents.