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I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias? I have no relation to him but just curious.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2jdjkev.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug? I am doing lots of research now I got hit with the geneology bug.

I'm hoping someone can help me find the baptismal date of: Luiz Joseph URSUA Chabes, c. 1730, español, originario y vecino de la Hacienda de San Bartolome, Aguascalientes, Ags. hijo legitimo de Juan ORSUA Chabes y Cayetana Maria CHABES Albares. [Luiz is aka Jossef Luiz de URCUA; Luiz Jossef VRSUA, VRZUA, HORZUA, etc.]

Luiz' known siblings: Maximiliana Antonia, 1715; Olaya, 1716; Maria, 1719; Monica Barbara, 1722; Ma. Antonia Cornelia, 1729; Lorenzo Joaquin, 1737. A tentative sibling: Maria de San Juan, wife of Francisco ROMO-DE VIVAR.

His first marriage: to Maria Raphaela Rita PONSE De Alba, mulata, hija legitima de Nicolas PONZE y Lorenza DE ALBA. 20 Apr 1750, La Asuncion, Ags, Ags, 5 known children

His second marriage: to Maria Seledonia de los Dolores MASIAS Gonsales, española, originaria y vecina de Ags en la Hacienda de San Bartolome, hija legitima de Christobal MASIAS Gomes y Gertrudis GONSALES. 6 Sep 1758, La Asuncion, Ags, Ags, 9 known children.

I've found over 15 ways that URSUA is spelled in the IGI, which makes this family extremely difficult to track, as anyone with URSUA in their lines already knows. Any help with Luiz would be very much appreciated.

Gloria D.

Found the defunto of Antonia De Los Santos in 1778. Who is the sister of Juan Benancio Madera.

Antonia De Los Santos is hija de Francisco Madera and Maria Guizar:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/11r3muh.jpg

source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55264-14?cc=1874591&wc…

The proof that she is the sister of Juan Benancio Madera, here is the baptismo of Juan Venancio (Benancio) Madera, "Espanol" with the same parents of Francisco Madera and Maria Guizar in 1762:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/i35uvb.jpg

Here is another one of interest. Seems that this person is originally from Los Reynos De Castilla" But he passed away in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico in the year 1802 and he was single, 37 years old and seems to have left un "testamento"

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2nujh8g.jpg

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54606-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Saw this page in the defunto archives of the year 1780 and may give clue as to where the cemetary was at that time with this comment written:

"Razon de las personas que se mueren y entierren en el pueblo de la soledad filia de esta Parroquia"

La Soledad is a ranch I think. Could be the place where it is at.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/1tv3go.jpg

source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-56318-13?cc=1874591&wc…

Hi everyone,

I ran across this document called, "Hacientos De Hermanos Cofrades" for the year 1802 of our village. Is it a Fraternity of Cofrades Club? My Great Great Great Grandfather Juan Benancio Madera is listed there and it looks like he paid 2 pesos. He was 40 years old in 1802 since he was born in 1762 at Rancho De Los Maderas which is nearby.

Now there is a "Cofradia" right at community of village and number of ranches and nearby haciendas.

Today that Cofradia still exists but it is a ranch called, "La Cofradia" There is also an archive called, "La Cofradia" dated 1632 - 1700 which I already browsed some of it.

Here is a copy of the document "Hacientos De Hermanos Cofrades" which lists 4 pages of people and they all paid money. My Great Great Great Grandfather Juan Benancio Madera is listed on the first page:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/23ihsly.jpg

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18432-14154-80?cc=1874591&wc…

Found this defunto of mulatta Maria Gentridias en Rancho De Los Maderas in 1780 and of Lazaro Madera and Juana Michaela Perales:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/a14mqw.jpg

source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55156-11?cc=1874591&wc…

Who is Lazaro Madera and Juana Michaela Perales? They are the parents of Marcelo Madera that was the owner of Rancho De Los Maderas in the census of 1828:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/s46o0l.jpg

Marcelo Madera and Juana Ramirez are the parents of Benito Madera

Benito Madera and Maria Estanislao Ramirez are the parents of Maria Clemencia Madera

Maria Clemencia Madera is the wife of my Great Grandfather Calixto Madera.

Calixto Madera is the son of Patricio Madera (1792 Ximulco) and Maria Dimas De La Paz. Patricio Madera is the son of Juan Benancio Madera (1762 Rancho De Los Maderas)

Juan Benancio Madera is the son of Francisco Madera and Maria Guizar

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
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Subject: The Changing New Mexico Homeland: Through 19th Century Spanish-La​nguage Poetry

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I would like to invite you to attend a free presentation on The Changing New Mexico Homeland: Through 19th Century Spanish-Language Poetry on May 31, 2014 at 2:00 pm. For more information, contact Angel

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I was looking through defuntos of the year 1780 in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico and found a defunto of a mulatto de is of "Juan De La Campo" of Rancho Dolores:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/11gpx79.jpg

source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55910-17?cc=1874591&wc…

As you know that nearby about 1 hour on car on the road (in today's standard of travel, there is a Hacienda called, "Hacienda De San Mateo" that was the favorite Hacienda of the Conde "Don Fernando De La Campo y Cos (1676 - 1742)

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_de_la_Campa

I was looking through defuntos of the year 1780 in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico and found a defunto of a mulatto de is of "Juan De La Campo" of Rancho Dolores:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/11gpx79.jpg

source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55910-17?cc=1874591&wc…

As you know that nearby about 1 hour on car on the road (in today's standard of travel, there is a Hacienda called, "Hacienda De San Mateo" that was the favorite Hacienda of the Conde "Don Fernando De La Campo y Cos (1676 - 1742)

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_de_la_Campa

Jose Angel Garcia Macias musician, composer of classical music and one of the four mentioned in the book titled Cuatro Valores Musicales Aguascalentenses, son of Nicolas Garcia Reyes, born 1830 at calle Salitre Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, I am the great grandson of Jose Angel Garcia Macias and Francisca Natalia Mendoza Tiscareño and great great grandson of Nicolas Garcia Reyes and Pantaleona Macias.In my records I have indicate that Nicolas Garcia father was Camilo Garcia Aguilar, the Father of Camilo Garcia Aguilar was Jose Maria Garcia and Jose Maria Garcia father was Bartolo Garcia. Is there any Garcia researchers that can add or authenticate my information

I have updated my file on Rootsweb.com. File is called Mexico and my Father is the trunk. Chet (Aniceto) Castanon and it will give you my lineage in Zacatecas. My Mother Dolores Gutierrez will give you my lineage in Jalisco and Michoacán. Go to pedigree in text format for easier reading. Go to index to see if your surname is listed.
Linda Castanon-Long
now in Olympia Washington

Found this defunto of mulatta Maria Gentridias en Rancho De Los Maderas in 1780 and of Lazaro Madera and Juana Michaela Perales:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/a14mqw.jpg

source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55156-11?cc=1874591&wc…

Who is Lazaro Madera and Juana Michaela Perales? They are the parents of Marcelo Madera that was the owner of Rancho De Los Maderas in the census of 1828:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/s46o0l.jpg

Marcelo Madera and Juana Ramirez are the parents of Benito Madera

Benito Madera and Maria Estanislao Ramirez are the parents of Maria Clemencia Madera

Maria Clemencia Madera is the wife of my Great Grandfather Calixto Madera.

Calixto Madera is the son of Patricio Madera (1792 Ximulco) and Maria Dimas De La Paz. Patricio Madera is the son of Juan Benancio Madera (1762 Rancho De Los Maderas)

Juan Benancio Madera is the son of Francisco Madera and Maria Guizar

I am researching the Torres/Pasillas/Amaro/Hernandez families from the area of Valparaiso, Zac, and specifically from Hacienda el Mirador, Zac.

Are there any good histories, in English or Spanish, of the hacienda system in that region? It is my understanding that these haciendas emerged around 1850. Were the ranch hands in the area before that or did they emigrate to the haciendas from other regions?

Estoy investigando las familias de Torres/Pasillas/Amaro/Hernández que vivieron cerca de Valparaíso, Zac. Específicamente, los Torres y Amaro fueron del Hacienda el Mirador, Zac.

¿Hay buenas historias, en Inglés o Español, de la sistema de haciendas en esa región? ¿Es verdad que estas haciendas empezaron cerca de 1850? Fueron los trabajadores del rancho en el área antes de que o que emigran a las haciendas de otras regiones?

Thank you for your comments!

Anita

Hola Donna que tienes de la rama González de Tepetongo Zac

Hi Danna that have informaion Gonzalez branch of Tepetongo

Javeir Gonzalez Lopez Portillo

BUENOS DIAS

UN CORDIAL SALUDOS A TODOS

ALGUIEN ME PODRIA AYUDAR DE DONDE SON LA FAMILIA GUTIERREZ DE LA ARRA?

MIS LINEAS SON LAS SIGUIENTES:

JOSEPH DE LA BARCENA CASADO CON JUANA NANDIN GUTIERREZ APROX EN 1765 MUZQUIZ COAHUILA

ELLA ERA HIJA LEGITIMA DE
Juan Thomas Jacinto Nandin Y Maria Feliciana Gutierrez De La Arra
ELLOS SE CASARON EN 10 SEPTIEMBRE 1740 MUZQUIZ COAHUILA

SE QUE ESTE FORO NO ES PARA EL ESTADO DE COAHUILA , PERO AVER SI ME PODRIAN AYUDAR DONDE PUEDO CONSEGUIR TESTAMENTO O DISPENSAS MATRIMONIALES DE COAHUILA
SE LOS AGRADECERIA MUCHO
GRACIAS POR LA ATENCION PRESTADA
QUE TENGA UN EXCELENTE DIA

My chance I ran across the baptismo of the wife of my Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera.

Her name is Maria Dimas De La Paz, "Espanola" from Rancho Del "Guitasti"? and was baptized in 1819 our village Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico. Her parents are: Maximo De La Paz and Agotona Ledesma:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2copwfb.jpg

To verify that she is correctly the wife of my Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera, here is a baptism record of a son they had name Julian Madera (1859) that is the brother of my Great Grandfather Calixto Madera. And it lists parents of Julian Madera are Patricio Madera and Maria Dimas De La Paz. Paternal Grandparents are Juan Benancio Madera and Geronima Fernandez. Maternal Grandparents are Maximo De La Paz and Agotona Ledesma:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2qa1fyc.jpg

So when Julian Madera was born Patricio Madera (born in 1792) was 67 years old and Maria Dimas De La Paz was 40 years old

Donna, this is the first time I have seen a post from you though I'll admit my ten year old daughter is way better at this than I am, I have not accessed your family tree though I'm helping my wife's family with the Gonzalez, I do have some friends and relatives named Ismael and they are all male, sometimes very often in the old days someone was named for a saint of the opposite sex but usually had two names one normally being the matching gender even if the other was not.

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> I'm pretty discouraged. I've been a member for almost a year now, submitted my family tree info in a folder and also on the Forum blog, (2x). I need help to see if anyone has heard of any my family names in my tree, and if they know about the name Ismael being a girl's name, but to no avail. No one replies, I haven't gotten a single response from anyone since I've been a member.? I don't know why and what I'm doing wrong. Am I posting it in the wrong place or something? Can you help me? ?
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Can my great great grandfather have kids in his 60's?

I have found baptismos where my great great grandfather Patricio Madera and Dimas De La Paz had kids in the 1850's:

Julian Madera, who is the brother of my great grandfather Calixto Madera, born in 1859:
http://oi60.tinypic.com/x1leoj.jpg

Calistra Madera born in 1853:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=taoglx&s=8#.U3avvNJdWO0

Listed as parents: Patrico Madera and Dimas De La Paz, Paternal Grandparents Juan Benancion Madera and Geronima Fernandez

Here is the baptism of my great great grandfather Patricio Madera in 1792:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34ezs0k&s=8#.U3av4tJdWO0

And his parents is Juan Benancio Madera and Maria Josefa

Here is the baptism of Juan Venancio Madera of Rancho De Los Maderas in 1762:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4joxmh&s=8#.U3awJNJdWO0

So I would have to think that for my great great grandfather Patricio to have kids in his 60's would mean the woman he had them with Dimas De La Paz may have been his second wife and a younger female or I have made an error in finding the correct Patricio Madera? But I connected Juan Benancio Madera as his father in the baptism records

Pedro Gomez, son of Diego Gomez, married Isabel Ortiz, daughter of Pedro de Anda, on 18 June 1613 at Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. Pedro de Anda Altamirano was married to Beatriz Gonzalez de Castaneda. I am trying to find the genealogy for Isabel Ortiz,if any one has any ideas. What I have read so far is Pedro de Anda and Beatriz had three children: Esteban, Beatriz, and Juan. No Isabel turns up. Did Pedro de Anda have her out of wedlock with an Ortiz woman?

So I do I chat??

Mickey

I am searching for information regarding any Gutierrez family members who resided in the Ixtlan area. My ancestor was Miguel Gutierrez who married Trinidad Perez circa 1839. They may have lived in Camucuato which is nearby.
If you know of any Perez family members in this same area, I would appreciate hearing from you as well.

Thank you, SLM

Morisco also meant a Muslim convert to Christianity, and usually had Arab ethnicity

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> As I was browsing the baptism records and in the year 1778, I came across this name that is odd and born in Rancho De Los Maderas in 1778:
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> Jose Gil Abad Monijio
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> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16bc86d&s=8#.U3anZdJdWO0
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> Can someone help me out and tell me what kind of name is that?
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> I believe it is "morisco" not monijo. This was a caste in colonial Mexico given to people of mixed ancestry, usually native, black, and espa?ol. Castes became complex as to people's mixture. You'll also notice the mother has no surname, which in many instances may refer to indio, but not always.
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>> On May 16, 2014, at 5:16 PM, zacatecano020@hotmail.com wrote:
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>> As I was browsing the baptism records and in the year 1778, I came across this name that is odd and born in Rancho De Los Maderas in 1778:
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>> Jose Gil Abad Monijio
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>> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16bc86d&s=8#.U3anZdJdWO0
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>> Can someone help me out and tell me what kind of name is that?
>>
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I have made an extensive search trying to find the baptism record of my Great Grandfather Calistro (Calixto) Madera. But I have found the baptism records of his brothers and sisters. But his I still can't find my Great Grandfather's Baptism Record. But I found a Baptism record of a sister with the same name. This is wierd. His sister, "Calistra Madera" Baptized in 1853 daughter of "Patricio Madera and Dimas De La Paz" Her Paternal Grandparents are Juan Benancio Madera and Geronima Fernandez:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/v7uqvl.jpg

As I was browsing the baptism records and in the year 1778, I came across this name that is odd and born in Rancho De Los Maderas in 1778:

Jose Gil Abad Monijio

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16bc86d&s=8#.U3anZdJdWO0

Can someone help me out and tell me what kind of name is that?