Spanish in The American Revolution

My sister qualified for DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution ) through several lines. Last summer I discovered she qualified through her Spanish line.

Every American learns that the French saved Washington's army in the north. But Spain was also in the war against the British, and Spanish Louisiana struck from the south.

In about 1777 Spain recruited yeoman settler/militiamen and their families to settle some of the thinnest colonies. In my case these were from the Canaries and were called Los Islenos. Shiploads were dispatched to Louisiana, Puerto Rico, Texas, Argentina, and some other colonies. Recruits were given land, tools, guns, and a stipend. If you were over 5' 2" you got the premium package.

Galvez combined his home force, The Louisiana Regiment of Infantry, with Isleno militia, other colonial forces, regular troops from Cuba, and an impressive collection of shipping. He drove north from New Orleans pushing the British out of Baton Rouge and St. Louis. Moving east he defeated forces at Mobil then lay siege to the 9,000 man redcoat force at Pensacola, defeating them.

Further, Spanish ports were open to service American privateers, and the Spanish fleet forced the British navy to dilute their efforts in the Revolution.

So if one can prove up an ancestor who served with Galvez, DAR status might follow. This could also mean that a Mexican colonial soldier, speaking only Spanish, gets listed as an American patriot!

Free online Mexican newspaper searches and articles from 1722 to 1978

I'm guessing this site has been posted before but just case it hasn't:

Hemeroteca Nacional Digital de México
Page images and full-text search of nearly 600 titles ranging from 1722 to 1978. The URL is:
http://www.hndm.unam.mx/

I had to use google chrome to get it to work.

Archaeologists explore ancient ceremonial center San Juan de los Lagos Mexican

Nineteen kilometers from San Juan de los Lagos, where the second most frequented sanctuary in Mexico is located, archaeologists from the National Institute of Anthropology and History (INAH), unravel a piece of pre Hispanic past which is today known as Los Altos de Jalisco, by the excavation of an ancient ceremonial center known as Teocaltitan.

At least 23 architectonic structures that were built 1500 years ago, between 450 and 900 AD, are distributed in the 20 acres that make up the highest part of the Teocaltitan hill.

To archaeologist Marisol Montejano Esquivias, director of the project, what makes this job in Teocaltitan the most gratifying is that it represents a preserved space in an archaeological context.”

“The interesting thing about Teocaltitan, apart from having Teotihuacan influence, is that it has elements that are very characteristic of the region such as the square architecture, sunken gardens in U-shape, pyramids with closed gardens, ball game courts, etc.”

The first drills and excavations that will be made in 2014 in Platform A of Teocaltitan, are focused on proving that these structures were made solely by men, and that underneath this they can find other archaeological substructures.

After two seasons there have been interventions on the west and north side of the ball court. It is from this area where most materials recovered from the project were found, such as: figurines, stone and turquoise beads that provided for the rituals that happened in this space.

Also, the finding of some copper and shell earrings in the northern part of the ball court indicated that this ceremonial center was used again during the Post Classic period (900 – 1200 AD). The earrings where found in the cranium of a presumably decapitated person.

Also, they have intervened in the sunken garden and the central pyramid that closes the site. In 2012, the center of the garden was excavated in an altar where they found secondary burials, bones that are not in an anatomic position meaning they where extracted from their original resting place and re-buried. This context also corresponds to the reoccupation of Teocaltitan in the Post Classic era.

With the restoration of the perimeter wall of the sunken garden and the ball court, the following year they will start opening the archaeological zone to the visitors.

http://artdaily.com/news/67098/Mexican-archaeologists-explore-ancient-c…

FYI: 2014-04-18 14:27:29 UPDATED: (M7.5) GUERRERO, MEXICO 17.6 -100.7 (107d)

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Alfonso Ruiz de Temiño y Dona Sancha Velasco

I believe the following is in reference to an inquiry by Brother Diego de Temino regarding the will of Alfonso Ruiz de Temiño y Dona Sancha Velasco. I would appreciate any help with a translation. Thank you all in advance.

Informacion hecha a peticion de fray Diego de Temino, religioso domico, de sur el y su hermano Bartolome de Temino y Banuelos, descendientes de la casa fuerte de Temino, y tales hijosdalgo notorios. Monasterio de Rodilla, 1561, Julio 10. Segue la escritura de fundacion de mayorazgo, otorgado por Alfonso Ruiz de Temiño y Dona Sancha Velasco su mujer, previa facultad del rey Enrique IV, dada en Segovia el 21 diciembre de 1465. Temino merindad de la Bureba, 1470. Octubre 12. Sigue una informacion de la ascendencia de Bartolome de Temino y Banuelos. Zacatecas, 1589. Junio, 10. Copia en una sola certificacion dada en Mexico el ano 1709. M-66, ff. 211 a 427.

Randy McNeal

New Member Introduction related to De La Cruz, Placencia from San Miguel El Alto, JAL

Hi everyone,
My name is Sylvia Lottes and I live in Southern California. My father is 83 years old and only remembers his grandparents names. He never met them since my grandfather came to the US in the 1900s and wasn't able to travel back to Mexico until the early 1960s. My father is planning on visiting some of his cousins' families again this year when he goes to San Miguel El Alto (probably his last trip due to health reasons) but never remembers to ask anyone for family history.

I've been doing most of my research through ancestry.com for the last couple of years. I recently found FamilySearch and that has been so useful in looking at the actual records and finding grandparents' and parents' names.

In 2013, a young man reached out to me via ancestry.com because his grandfather was my dad's half-brother (shared same father). That side of the family did not know anything about the grandfather's parents so it's been pretty cool getting to know them and my father being able to tell them about their grandfather and great-grandfather. My newly found cousin is also trying to find out about our relatives.

I'm so glad I stumbled upon this site and hope to learn more about my ancestors, where they came from and their culture.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/slot33

Familias Frausto y Lara, 1750-1825 Calvillo, Ags.; Hzda. de La Luz, Jaltiches, Ags.

Gabriel Serna b. abt 1750 ,higo de Florentino Serna y Antonia Ruis.
I have been searching among other things, for the Origin of Gabriel Serna & Catarina Frausto. In births she is called Catarina Frausto.
They had 5 children
Narciso b. abt 1800 m.to Sirica Duran y Clara Ortiz
Norberto b.abt 1805 m. to Ramona Cervantes
Ma. Guadalupe b.abt. 1806 m. to Honorato Esparza
Macedonio b.abt 1814 m. to Edwarda Macias
Ydelfonso b.abt 1820 m. to Nicodimes Duran.

Facts i have found..
1. In the Marriage of Ydelfonso she is called Catarina de Lara.
2. In the Confirmation of Ma. Guadalupe she is Catarina Lara.
3. In the Baptism of Macedonio the Godparents are listed as Esteban Frausto y Getrudis Lara.

Since they are named as Godparents to her child and she has been named Frausto and Lara; I am hoping to find that this Esteban Frausto & Getrudis Lara are her parents. Any information you have would be appreciated.

Reply to Tracy (translation help)

It appears to me that Leal was the civil judge. "El Juez de Estado Civil,
Jose Leal Cantu." Flores appeared before him to present his own child and
that of his wife, "que es hija legitima suya y de su esposa Virginia
Ovalle."

Hope this helps.
Beverly

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I was hoping someone could help me make sense of this.

Why would Jose Leal Cantis appear with Guadlupe Flores to present someone
else's child?

I just learned that my grandmother's US birth certificate was false and I am
trying to locate her correct birth record.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22296-57800-55?cc=1916233…
FDR-5ZS:1025561601,1025602701

I just want to make sure I am not reading this wrong.

Thanks so much for your help.

Stacy
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:33:17 -0400
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Sorry, I am asking about acta numero 1550.
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Stacy Latocha Newelt
wrote:

> I was hoping someone could help me make sense of this.
>
> Why would Jose Leal Cantis appear with Guadlupe Flores to present
> someone else's child?
>
> I just learned that my grandmother's US birth certificate was false
> and I am trying to locate her correct birth record.
>
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22296-57800-55?cc=191623
> 3&wc=MFDR-5ZS:1025561601,1025602701
>
> I just want to make sure I am not reading this wrong.
>
> Thanks so much for your help.
>
> Stacy
>

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Rosales and Amaya, Ejutla, Jalisco

Someone had mentioned they were researching the Amaya's in Autlan--but I can't locate the post. In case anyone is interest: I have Bernarda Amaya (also spelled Amaia or Amalla) married to Juan Rosales-Mexia 14 oct, 1728 in Autlan. He died 24 Aug, 1737 in Ejutla and the entry mentions he was the owner of the Hacienda de El Limon. Their children were:

Maria Gertrudis who married Juan Francisco Garcia de Alba on 19 Feb., 1746 in Ejutla.Juan Francisco's parents were Manuel Garcia de Alba and Nicolasa Santa Ana.

Juan Antonio who married Anna Frafaela Comenares on 17 June, 1762 in Autlan

Juan Vicente who married Maria Josefa Cardenas on 7 Jan, 1767 in Ejutla.

Bernarda Amaya married Pedro Castill on 7 July, 1738 in Ejutla
Bernarda died 14 Jan. 1749 in Ejutla; aparently the result of an accident.

I suspect the parents of Bernarda Amaya may have been either:
Agustin Amaya and Nicolasa Caceres or Miguel Amaya and Elvira Caceres; but I haven't been able to prove anything and my hunch is based on the names of the padrinos of baptisms of the children. Deedra Corona

Juan de Alba and Antonia Marin

Does anyone have any information on Juan de Alba and Antonia Marin? I think Juan de Alba and Antonia Marin would've married around 1740-1750. They are the parents of my 7th Great Grandfather Cipriano de Alba:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12044-36070-59?cc=1502404&…

He married my 7th Great Grandmother Paula Garcia y Alonso in Encarnacion de Diaz on 20 Jan 1779:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-60752-12?cc=1874591&wc…

Any information that anyone might have on Juan de Alba and Antonia Marin would be great.

Thanks,

Christopher de Cuellar

Gallegos - Calvillo, Aguascalientes Area

I'm unsure about who potentially may be my 4th and 5th Grandfather.

My third Grandfather Jose Roque Jacinto Gallegos was born in Las Moras, Calvillo, Aguascalientes on 16 Aug 1802. He married Maria Dionicia De Jesus Ybarra on 21 February 1821 in Calvillo, Aguascalientes. The baptism for Jose Roque Jacinto Gallegos shows the name of his parents as Miguel Gallegos y Maria Gertrudis Gonzales and his paternal grandparents as Miguel Gallegos y Maria Josefa Nieto (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11118-61099-56?cc=1410092&…)

I have done some additional research, but I'm not sure I have the right information.

So far, for my 4th Grandfather, I found a Miguel Rafael Gallegos born in El Estaño, Guanajuato, Mexico, on 14 February 1752 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20573-5471-27?cc=1860831&…). I found a record that shows that he married Maria Gertrudis Gonzales in Teocaltiche, Jalisco on 24 Feb 1774; however, I couldn't find the actual microfilm.

For my 5th Grandfather, I found a Miguel Dionicio Gallegos born in La Quemada, San Felipe, Guanajuato, Mexico on 17 Mar 1724 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20573-5677-90?cc=1860831&…). I found a record that shows that he married a Josefa Gertrudis (no last name included) in San Felipe, Guanajuato, Mexico on 12 January 1744 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20424-18348-21?cc=1860831…)

I would appreciate any input to help me verify the info about my 4th and 5th Grandparents.

Thanks in Advance,

Miguel Gallegos

Translation help please....re: Victoriana Martinez

My 4th great grandparents' marriage record:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18724-61739-21?cc=1874591&wc…

Juaquin Choperena y Victoriana Martinez were married on 16Sept1801.
I believe Juaquin was born in Navarra, Spain to Pedro Jose Choperena y Maria Bautista Yndart about 1771.

However, I'm having trouble figuring out the birthplace and parents of Victoriana.
Was she born in Spain or Juanacati? Was her father a 16-year old neighbor?

I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Roy

Italians in Mexico

Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records regarding Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's to early 1800's? I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website: http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my Italian ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up with a big zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana y Leonesa al Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez Martinez and nothing in there as well.

The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos Lomellini about 1600, children and grandchildren in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) and Durazzo around Hermosillo, San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora in the late 1700's to early 1800's.

Thanks
Rose
Fresno, CA

Online Tree, software and organization system

Could anyone recommend an online site where I could house my tree with images and invite family to view? Also any software to organize? I have several trees online but I want to consolidate to one place. My recent experience with myheritage and ancestry.com isn't good. I canceled my ancestry subscription after several years and yesterday when to my shoebox only to find I can't access any of my saved files! On my heritage I cannot click through to see my actual saved files- this is with a subscription. I don't mind paying annually but would like to be able to make charts and books for some of my older relatives. Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Sent from my iPad

Y-DNA sale at FTDNA

FamilyTreeDNA is having a 20% off sale of the 37 marker Y-DNA test until
Tuesday April 29, 2014. Even if you aren't interested in your results you
might be helping someone else out that has a brick wall. If you have only
had the Genographic tests or tested somewhere other than FTDNA this is a
great addition or upgrade to other tests. The Y-DNA test is only for the
male line but other tests are available as well even though they aren't on
sale. They also have discounts on SNP testing for those of you that have
not had your subclade defined.

Armando

Lomelis from Tecomatlan, JAL

I am new to genealogy and one of the lines I am most interested in is my maternal Lomeli line, which is also proving to be the most difficult. I have only been able to go as far back as my 4th great grandfather, Rafael Lomelin, who married Anacleta Enriquez. They had 4 children, Margarita, Juan, Diego, and Cipriano all born between 1830 and 1845 (their children and grandchildren settled in ranchos in Juchitlan, JAL). From my research, I have discovered that they originated from Tecomatlan, Jalisco which belonged to the parish of Tototlan. Unfortunately, the parish records for Tototlan appear incomplete as there is a huge gap of time missing. The baptism records jump from 1824 all the way to 1883. In addition the baptism records start at 1818 and I estimate Rafael to be born a few years before. Does anyone have any information about those missing Tototlan records, where I may be able to to find more information , or is this brick wall impenetrable?

I have also read previous posts on this forum regarding descendants of Carlo Lomellini who originated from Genoa, Italy and settled in Jalisco. I wonder if perhaps I descend from this line?

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Juan

Rancho del Muerto-12 Feb 2006 Posting Revisited

I was reviewing a 12 Feb 2006 posting regarding Santos Luna's question of the whereabouts of Rancho del Muerto. I did not read it then and apologize for this late response. I ran across what I believe is probably the same rancho referred to as simply "el Muerto" in the margin of a Tepechitlan baptismal manuscript dated 11 Aug 1776. That year Josepha Dominga Luna Miramontes was baptized. The parents were Antonio Miramontes and Victoria de Luna.

I can't answer the question of where this rancho is located but the reason I researched this name may be of interest to Santos since he is a Luna and may be related to Victoria. Years ago I ran across the Miramontes name in Monterey County historical accounts in a city library in Salinas, California. This Miramontes family came to Monterey, California in the late 1700's in a vessel named the "Concepcion" that sailed from San Blas, Nayarit. The passenger list named Josef Vicente Moxica and wife Victoria de Luna with Miramontes children named Jose Maximo, Jose Candelario, Maria Josefa, Maria Eustaquia and Polonia. Jose Candelario Miramontes figured in San Francisco city's early history and eventually was granted land in what is now Half Moon Bay. His father Antonio Miramontes does not appear in the passenger list but is listed as Victoria's husband in their descendant's family history geneology . A relative of this family contacted me some time back and told me she was a widow when she arrived and had remarried.

This information spurred me to see if this family tied into my own. I have not found a direct connection however I did find that Antonio Miramontes and Victoria de Luna had given birth to Josepha in "el Muerto" and as mentioned previously she was baptized in Tepechitlan. Candelario was baptized 22 Feb 1785 in Santa Maria de Mecatabasco, Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas, Josef Maximo was baptized 17 Feb 1780 and Joseph Gregorio was also baptized in 20 March 1779 in Santa Maria de Mecatabasco, Villa del Refugio.

Se Necesita Ayauda Leyendo un docoumento de Matrimonio; Help is needed reading a Marriage document

The entry link is
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11584-154224-66?cc=1502404…
In the Aguascalientes, Ags. records the path is Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Matrimonios 1782-1791 > image 91 of 572.
The Family Search index page results are, Jose Antonio Frausto or Roque Spouse Maria Micaela del Sacramento. Sept 14, 1783.
My interpretation is: Jose Antonio (??? typical entry wording), Jose Antonio Frausto, alias Roque, Yndio, Origenario de esta jurisdiccion en el pueblo de San Marcos (Location of the Ferria de San Marcos)Criado en este villa siete Meses. Vecino de la jurisdiccion de Teocaltiche en el via Ojo Juacan (does anyone know this place)en culla parroqia se amonestio y ha mas de un ano re????do esta villa, hijo legitimo de Estevan Frausto y de Juana Maria difunto(s) viudo de Maria Paulina Martinez va a dos anos sepultada en la parroquia del dicho Teocaltiche, con Maria Micaela el Sacaramento, Yndia origenaria en esta jurisdiccion en el Soyatal (Hacienda east of Ags.) y vecina en el Ojo Caleinte y esta villa, hija legitima Juan Jose de la Cruz y Luisa Veltran defuntos (typical entry)

The task, correct my interpretation, Is Jose Antonio Frausto alias Roque the Viudo (widow) of Maria Paulina Martinez or is that a reference to Estevan Frausto viudo de Maria Paulina Martinez? Why Frausto alias Roque? His father is Frausto... or would he take the name Roque if he were a Criado (servant) of a Senor named Roque? Fill in the blank ha mas de un ano re..... esta villa. Residiendo? Is the spouse Maria Micaela del Sacramento is Sacramento the Surname ?

La tarea, corregir mi interpretación, es José Antonio Frausto alias Roque el Viudo de Maria Paulina Martinez o es que una referencia a Estevan Frausto viudo de María Paulina Martinez? ¿Por Frausto alias Roque? Su padre es Frausto ... o iba a tomar el nombre de Roque si fuera un Criado de un señor llamado Roque? Llene el blanco ha mas de un ano re..... esta villa. redidiendo? Ha muerto Estevan Frausto o seulamente Juana Maria? La esposa Maria Micaela del Sacramento, es Sacaramento el Apellido?

Porras family

Does anyone have any information on the Porras family from Michoacán (la piedad de cabadas)/Guanajuato/Jalisco (Degollado). It has been super difficult tracking this side of my family. Thank you in advance!

FW: NGGS meeting reminder

Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:37 PM

Subject: NGGS meeting reminder

Hello everyone,

Just a gentle reminder that our meeting is coming up this Saturday the 26th of April at 11:30 AM. The address is:

Casa Flores Restaurant

3201 W. Ben Holt Drive

Stockton, CA 95219

Don't forget to bring a Family Group sheet from your tree. I hope to see you all there!

Maria Cortez

La familia Díaz de León de Jalostotitlán.

Hola compañeros, yo desciendo de Juan Díaz de León y Juana Trujillo, quienes debieron casar aprox. en 1669 en Jalostotitlán, Jalisco. No encuentro mas datos sobre Juan Díaz de León quien aparece en el www.familysearch.org como nacido en 1644 en Aguascalientes.

Algunos de sus descendientes aparecen como Díaz y otros como Trujillo por si alguno de ustedes se hayan atorados en alguna de las líneas de ésta familia.

Me gustaría saber si alguno de ustedes tiene los ancestros del mencionado Juan Díaz de León, lo cual se los agradeceré muchísimo.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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