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Busco fecha nacimiento de GREGORIO ELIZALDE BAÑUELOS , cuyos padres JOSE EDUARDO ELIZALDE + 25 JUNIO 1816 en Guadalcazar S.L.P. con PETRA BAÑUELOS .

So if someone is familiar with this names please don't hesitate to give me some info they were both born in La Jabonera a rancho right out side Nochistlan Zacatecas and that's all i know and they are my GGgrandparents.

Estoy en busca de los Morales. Mi abuelo materno, QUEPD, era Jose Concepción Morales Martinez de El Valle de Guadalupe Jalisco. He topado con piedra.

Por otro lado, tampoco encuentro informacion para Mi abuelo paterno, QUEPD, Jose Matilde Ramirez, casado con una Martin o Martinez, creo que tambien de El Valle.

Les agradezco toda ayuda.

Maria Jimenez

In cleaning my Favorites I accidentally deleted the address for the Jalisco records. I would appreciate if someone can send it to me. I tried accessing the one on Family search but it's not the complete file that includes Tamazula and Zapotlan where my research in centered and so starts the New Year~

thank you..
Linda in Everett

Estoy en busca de los Morales. Mi abuelo materno, QUEPD, era Jose Concepción Morales Martinez de El Valle de Guadalupe Jalisco. He topado con piedra.

Por otro lado, tampoco encuentro informacion para Mi abuelo paterno, QUEPD, Jose Matilde Ramirez, casado con una Martin o Martinez, creo que tambien de El Valle.

Les agradezco toda ayuda.

Maria Jimenez

I wanted to know where the Armas family from La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas come from.And the last name origin

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Dear Group,
Due to the holidays, I hadn't returned to working on the new familysearch in a few weeks.  The format has apparently changed a bit.  I'm having difficulty finding a way to enter a range of years for birth, marriage, etc.  Is it no longer possible to do?   Thanks so much for your help,
Alice

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Hello all:

I know that others have asked in the past, so I apologize. But I just want to make sure if Family Tree DNA is the way to go. Specifically, were people happy just doing the y-DNA test, which appears to be the cheapest test. Also, which y-DNA test is really necessary: y-DNA 12, 25 or 37?

My father is interested in doing the y-DNA test. As for our lineage, while I've had great success in searching various family lines from Tlaltenango (ex. Gonzalez, Arteaga, etc), I've had no luck with our surname: Pineda/ Pinedo.

I've only been able to back to go back to my grandfather's father, Nicanor Pinedo, who married twice in Tlaltenango. Based on his marriage records, his parents were Pedro Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza. But I've not been able to find any birth records for Nicanor Pinedo or marriage record for Pedro Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza, so I'm stuck.

So maybe we'll learn something from the y-DNA test.

Chris Pineda

Help please. I have several questions regarding the de la Rosa family from Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. I will start with the shorter ones so that they don’t get lost in this lengthy request.

First let me start by saying thank you for this website. I have learned to do searches and read information before asking questions as some of the time those questions have already been asked and answered. I have found a lot of information. Thank you!

1. I contacted Borderlands bookstore looking for GENEALOGIA DE NOTCHISTLAN ANTIGUO REINO DE LA NUEVA GALICIA EN EL SIGLO XVII SEGUN SUS ARCHIVOS PARROQUIALES by José Luis Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías. It is out of print. Could someone who has a copy please tell me if there is a de la Rosa family line in that book and share. Thank you.

2. There are huge gaps in records in the Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico microfilm that I am unable to put together the de la Rosa line. I would be interested in an overview as to where they may have originated and suggestions as to where to search. When researching the Aguascalientes ancestry for other lines, there were many lines that go back to the 1648 Padron (Census) which was an immense help. Plus all the other information available from the microfilm at family search, info from this website, an article by John P. Schmal on the founders of Aguascalientes, etc. Perhaps I am overlooking something for the Panuco area that would help work through these gaps. Your recommendations would be appreciated.

3. And the longest question which I probably should have asked first. Below I have listed my de la Rosa direct line from Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. I am looking for the parents of SEFERINO DE LA ROSA & VITORIA SALDIVAR. Since there are such huge gaps I have gone back and reconstructed records in Panuco for any de la Rosa from 1850 to the 1600’s, although I think they may go back to Jalisco?? I am hoping that by searching marriage records that are available I might find a note regarding any de la Rosa who required a dispensation and get back to their diocese records where hopefully there might be information on the extended family. So far I haven’t found any. But it occurs to me that others may have tried doing the same thing and may have already found connecting information????

Thank you for your help. I have data and some other lines of de la Rosa family reconstructed if anyone should be looking for family from that area. Please send a message.

I. VICENTE DE LA ROSA & LEANDRA CARREON (CARRION)
VICENTE DE LA ROSA b. 1832 Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; p. Gabriel de la Rosa
& Maria Paula Rios; marriage info. 6-16-1866; m. 7-5-1866 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; LEANDRA CARREON (CARRION) b. 1836
Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; p. Domingo Carreon & Maria Ygnacia Lopez (Salaz).
1) JUAN DE LA CRUZ ROSA CARREON baptized 12-2-1861 San Juan Bautista,
Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
2) JOAQUIN ROSA CARRION baptized 8-23-1863 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.
3) JOSE PANTALION DE LA ROSA 8-5-1866;. m. APOLONIA MONTANEZ
4) YNES ROSA CARREON baptized 4-27-1868 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.
5) PORFIRIO ROSA CARREON baptized 3-16-1869 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.
6) GABRIEL ROSA CARREON b. 3-25-1872; baptized 3-27-1872 1866 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. 7) VISENTE ROSA CARREON baptized 4-20-1874 San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.

II. GABRIEL DE LA ROSA & MARIA PAULA RIOS
GABRIEL DE LA ROSA p. Seferino de la Rosa & Vitoria Saldivar; m. MARIA
PAULA RIOS p. Cristobal Rios & Eufracia Escovedo.
1) JOSE MARIA DE LA ROSA b. 1825; m. 5-20-1841 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico PATRICIA RIBERA b. 1826; p. Claudio Ribera & Maria
Francisca Gonzales.
2) VICENTE DE LA ROSA m. LEANDRA CARREON (CARRION)
3) MARIA JOSEFA FELIZ ROSA RIOS b. 11-20-1832 ; baptized 12-1-1832 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
4) JOSE MARIA CRECENCIO ROSA RIOS b. 12-29-1834; baptized 1-3-1835 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
5) MARIA JOSEFA CELSA ROSA RIOS b. 4-6-1837; baptized 4-19-1837 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
6) JOSE LUIS ROSA RIOS baptized 6-27-1839 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.
7) SANTIAGO ROSA RIOS baptized 12-20-1841 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico; m. JUANA LOPEZ p. Higinio Lopez & Maria Francisca
Rios?.
7A) DIONICIO DE LA ROSA baptized 4-19-1868 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.

III. SEFERINO DE LA ROSA & VITORIA SALDIVAR
SEFERINO DE LA ROSA m. VITORIA SALDIVAR
1) GABRIEL DE LA ROSA. m. MARIA PAULA RIOS
2) MARIA MAXIMA DE LA ROSA
2A) JOSE MARIA MAURICIO DE LA ROSA b. 9-22-1831; baptized 9-24-1831 San
Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
3) RAFAEL DE LA ROSA m. MARIA RICARDA JARAMILLO p Eugenio Jaramillo & Maria
Josefa Yracheta.
3A) JOSE MARIA DE LA ROSA b. 8-15-1836; baptized 8-21-1836 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.

I have used Family Tree DNA. I have used the Y-DNA 67 marker, and the mtDNA,
and have been pleased with the results. However, the Family Finder test has
been a disappointment. The default for all people with Native American DNA
is "Maya." I spoke with Bennett Greenspan the CEO and was told they do not
have ample Native American samples to be more accurate. It is a false
premise to give people the impression that everyone of Mexican descent is
genetically linked to the Maya people.

Secondly, Some of Mexican American descent are being classified as "Russian"
as a default in their Family Finder DNA. Mr. Greenspan thinks that this in
fact might be linked to some ancient people who migrated to the Basque
country from Finland, and not Russian as currently classified. There is no
historical evidence of a Russian presence in Mexico to justify use such
strong showing of Russian DNA in Mexico. Russian Jews who emigrated to
Mexico do not provide an answer.

I simply offer this as a caveat for those planning to invest money in DNA
testing.

Stella Cardoza

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Hello all:

I know that others have asked in the past, so I apologize. But I just want
to make sure if Family Tree DNA is the way to go. Specifically, were people
happy just doing the y-DNA test, which appears to be the cheapest test.
Also, which y-DNA test is really necessary: y-DNA 12, 25 or 37?

My father is interested in doing the y-DNA test. As for our lineage, while
I've had great success in searching various family lines from Tlaltenango
(ex. Gonzalez, Arteaga, etc), I've had no luck with our surname: Pineda/
Pinedo.

I've only been able to back to go back to my grandfather's father, Nicanor
Pinedo, who married twice in Tlaltenango. Based on his marriage records, his
parents were Pedro Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza. But I've not been able to
find any birth records for Nicanor Pinedo or marriage record for Pedro
Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza, so I'm stuck.

So maybe we'll learn something from the y-DNA test.

Chris Pineda

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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:19:32 -0800 (PST)
From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
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Estimado Sr. Agraz,
Yo pienso que definitivamente NO existen suficientes fundamentos para pensar
que efectivemente Sebasti?n Vizca?no fue hijo natural del virrey Luis de
Velasco y Ruiz de Alarc?n. Las hip?tesis deben de probarse y "papelito
habla". Mientras no existan documentos de la ?poca que comprueben el
parentesco las hip?tesis se quedar?n en eso.
Saludos cordiales e igualmente feliz navidad y pr?spero a?o nuevo 2012.
Victoriano Navarro

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Chris Pineda: Your ancestors may have come from another state. The original parish records are available at Wikki, for all the states of Mexico. In original spanish.....

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I have used Family Tree DNA. I have used the Y-DNA 67 marker, and the mtDNA,
and have been pleased with the results. However, the Family Finder test has
been a disappointment. The default for all people with Native American DNA
is "Maya." I spoke with Bennett Greenspan the CEO and was told they do not
have ample Native American samples to be more accurate. It is a false
premise  to give people the impression that everyone of Mexican descent is
genetically linked to the  Maya people.

Secondly, Some of Mexican American descent are being classified as "Russian"
as a default in their Family Finder DNA. Mr. Greenspan thinks that this in
fact might be linked to some ancient people who migrated to the Basque
country from Finland, and not Russian as currently classified. There is no
historical evidence of a Russian presence in Mexico to justify use such
strong showing of Russian DNA in Mexico. Russian Jews who emigrated to
Mexico do not provide an answer.

I simply offer this as a caveat for those planning to invest money in DNA
testing.

Stella Cardoza

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Hello all:

Hola Primo:

I need to tell you that I found baptism registration for twins Maria and
Jesus Diaz our records show that they were born from Alejandro Diaz Leaños
and Maria Marcos Puentes Varela.

According to this record we could be mistaken the name of the Mother it
should be Maria Marquez as shown in the record
Fathers ancestors are Tadeo Diaz y Genoveva Leaños.
Mother ancestors are Cecilio Marques and Dominga Varela you can check it
up at

Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records,
1590-1995
Santa María de los
Angeles
Santa María de los
Angeles
Bautismos 1879-1894
Image of 776

Previous page is for the other twin brother.

Best regards and Merry Christmas.

Sergio Ernesto Rodriguez Ruiz from Queretaro Mexico.

Hello, Hope all are enjoying plenty of tamales and cheer!

I am still trying to locate the parents of Tomasa Ruis de Esparsa, widow of Bartolome Garcia de Leon (Hijo) and wife of Jorge de Ayala. The one possiblity is found in the "Genealogical Look at the 1648 Padron of Aguascalientes" ; page 23, under: La Cassa de Lope Ruis de Esparsa.

There is reference to: "Tomasa Ruis, su hija de dos anos"
I believe this Tomasa would be daughter to Cristobal Ruis de Esparsa and his wife Isabel Peres de Ortega AKA Alcaraz. This would mean a birthdate of @ 1646; making her age 20 when she married Bartholome Garcia in 1666, and but @ age 42 when she married Jorge Ayala in 1688. However, it appears Tomasa was with Jorge Ayala long before the marriage because, even though I haven't found birth records for the children, Angela was married in 1689; Beatris in 1695; and Andres in 1701.

I admit, I have searched the birth records page by page and am unable to locate any record of her birth--only this one line in the Padron. Does anyone have any ideas or opinions or advice?

Thank you, and Merry Christmas,
Deedra Corona

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There are quiet a few old Haciendas such as San Antonio De Padua of Zacatecas. Anyone do any research on that Hacienda? The silos which were the graneries are amazing. That would be a nice Hacienda to see restored.

In the Valparaiso area there are some Haciendas such as "Hacienda San Mateo"

Would be nice to see them restored to see how they lived back in the Colonial days.

I've just updated my file on Rootsweb.com. I've been working on making corrections after I merged files incorrectly and it combined families that were not connected. I've been making corrections for 2 years now 1 surname at a time. My records are for Zacatecas, Jalisco and Michoacan. My file name is Mexico and my Father Aniceto (Chet) Castanon is my starting point for reference and Jerez, Zacatecas is our ancestral home for my paternal lines and Tamazula, Jalisco for my maternal lines.

I also want to thank members of Nuestrosranchos for sharing and opening their files to us all so we have been able to make connections and reclaim our history. The ancestors have smiled and had fun with us in our search for them. I hope I've pleased them and made them proud.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett, Wa.

Hola,

Hay alguien en el grupo que este o haya estudiado las lineas de la familia Ceja en la region de la Cienega Michoacana (Zamora, Sahuayo, Jiquilpan)?

He llegado a un punto donde no puedo avanzar mas en mi apellido Hernandez y quisiera comenzar a buscar a mis ancestros de apellido Ceja. Mi Abuela Paterna lleva ese apellido, ella es originaria de Las Zarquillas, Michoacan. El apellido Ceja es bastante comun por esos rumbos. Ya localize' su acta de bautismo y otros documentos de sus Padres y Abuelos, pero tengo la curiosidad de saber si alguien mas tiene algun dato "curioso" sobre la familia Ceja. Alguien Sabe quien fue el Patriarca de este apellido? He leido "rumores" que quizas sea de origen Arabe, pero no estoy seguro de eso.

Cualquier aportacion sera agradecida,
Roberto Hdez.

Hola a todos, le pregunte a Don Mariano González-Leal por sus libros y me
contesto lo siguiente:
Don Rubén. El contrato para esta edición fue la exclusiva para la
Secretaría de Cultura de Jalisco por todo este sexenio. Tendría ella misma
qué hacer la reimpresión.
Hay un editor interesado, pero no autorizaré a editar sino a principios de
2013.
Un abrazo,
MGL.

Joseph,

1) Is Jose Antonio Godoy, married to Ma. Candelaria de Orozco, brother of Jose Maria Godoy, married to Juana Eledesma Velasco? I estimated there are approximateley 40 yrs between them. This is why I'm not sure they are brothers.

2) For the following, I'm going to assume each male became a father at the late age of 40 years old.

Jose Antonio Godoy got married to Ma. Candelaria de Orozco in 1766

Assume his son Jose Francisco Godoy was born in 1786, got married at 40 years old, making him a father in 1826.

Jose Francisco Godoy, born 1826, has a son when he 40 yrs old making Jose Romualdo born in 1866.

Romualdo, born 1866, has a daughter, your mother, when he 40 yrs old making your mother born in 1906.

Your mother, born 1906, has a son, Joseph Puentes, when she is 30 yrs old, making Joseph born in 1936.

Does this timeline make since?

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Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:11:09 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Godoy's de Tlaltenango

I have a cousin who is not a group member and would like to know if any
of the Godoy researchers know of any of these folks:

Francisco Godoy who was married to Rosa Maria de llamas in 1704, his
parents are Nicolos Godoy and Brigida.  Their son  Francisco Xavier
Godoy was born in Sept 8, 1712 and  married Maria Antonia Casas on Sept.
18, 1741.  their son Jose Anttonio godoy married Maria candelaria de
Orozco on May 26, 1766.  Their son Jose Francisco  Godoy married Maria
Juana Nepomucena Renteria.  their son Jose Romualdo Godoy married Maria
Mucia Palafox  who are my grandparents. Most of my Godoy family is from
Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman and I found some family in Rancho de los Llamas

thanks for you help,

joseph

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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Buenas tardes,

He de avisar que desgraciadamente para todos aquellos que no aprovecharon y adquirieron con tiempo la colección de Don Mariano González-Leal, se han quedado sin ella, ya que se han agotado y que no saben si volverán a reimprimir la colección próximamente, así que en cuanto sepa algo al respecto les estaré avisando.

saludos
Profr. Raúl Hurtado Pérez

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More to come over the weekend!