Need someone in the group to hunt this person down and invite them to
join the group:
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joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
Here's an interesting website that has an article on Eva Longoria and her roots: http://www.genealogymagazine.com/evalongoria.html Enjoy! Marge:)
Can anyone help me, with el Archivo General de la nacion, How to use it, i find it very confusing. Thanks.
This is an answer to an old question I had about the origin of Catarina Jauregui, a search tip and some thank yous. I think I have found the answer to Ojo de Agua on the Marriage of Catarina Jauregui and Julian Alviso. Ojo de Agua was a rancho in the jurisdiction of Tepatitlan.
Please see link for this document
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15925
To Tomas Alejandro Villegras: Teodoro Gutierres and Petra Jauregui were the padrinos on this document.
For those researching Jauregui: Some additional name spellings I have found:
Jaure
deJaure
DeJauregui
Catarina's last name was Jaure in the index, yet the actual document had Jauregui. Some of her siblings in the LDS search have only Jaure as the last name.
I would also like to thank everyone for their help. Tomas and I believe it was Emilie let me know to check out the Jalostotitlan records. Tomas indicated that Petra, Catarina's sister was married in Jalos. and correct me if I am wrong but I believe it was Emilie that told me if I cannot find records in San Miguel, always try Jalostotitlan.
Another thank you to Rick Rodriguez who lead me to another brother of Catarina and Petra Jauregui in the Tepatitlan records, so now I think I can find Catarina's baptism also!
I love this group
Maureen Bejar
Is anyone on the list researching the La Croix area which is close to
Cd. Guzman and Tonaya? If so and and if you are interested I've got a
person doing Chavez research that is not a member of the group.
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
There is new content on the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com site:
1) In the Archaeology section hear a very high caliber presentation by
Dr. George Stuart titled, "Discovering the Maya":
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/archeology.html#dm
2) In the American Revolution hear a background message titled "10
Presidents" by Jack Cowan. Mr. Cowan is the founder of the Texas
Connection to the American Revolution Association and will be shortly
following this message up with a message appropriately enough titled,
"The Texas Connection to the American Revolution." Here is the URL for
the "10 Presidents" audio:
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If you know of conferences, lectures, presentations, discussions, or
poetry readings related to Latin American History please contact:
NFU@JosephPuentes.com and visit the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com site.
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
The Archivo General de la Nacion in Mexico City has put its revised and more complete catalogue online. One is now able to search through content in a much simpler manner than in the previous ARGENA III database. There is a left hand frame with all of the search results organized by collection and descriptions of the documents appear on the right hand frame when a document is clicked.
in the application for membership there is one area needing
clarification because so so so so many new applicants are not putting in
the correct information: "Surnames Researching:**"
Can you all think of a very short phrase that would convey the message
that in this area the new applicant needs to insert the surnames they
are researching?
thanks for your help with this.
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
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Hello All,
Several weeks ago, I posted a announcement about a weekly Hispanic/Mexican Research class, that I would be teaching. Several of you stated an interest in taking the class.
I just wanted to let you know, that the classes have started. They are being taught Sunday evenings at 7:15pm to 7:45pm (MST). Then from 8:00pm to 11:00 pm (MST) I am answering questions.
I also can teach a class, during the week if the need arises.
To register for the classes and to download the viewer software, goto the site: www.familyhistoryliveonline.com
If you have any problems, feel free to contact me at: jonathan@mexicanfhr.com
thanks,
Jonathan
Perdonen la pregunta,
¿pero por qué dicen con tanta confianza que un apellido es "originario de" alguna ciudad o rancho? Los antepasados de cualquier persona probablemente tenían el mismo apellido y probablemente vinieron de otro lugar o hasta de España (por decir algún país Europeo).
Digo esto solamente por la dificultad que he tenido en sequir mi apellido, "Cuesta".
"Cuesta" pudo haber tenido origen en
algo que costaba o se luchaba para lograr;
algo que estaba a costa (a un lado) de algo;
algo cerca de una cuesta (e.g., Cuesta de Maulique);
algo cerca de una costa;
o otro origen que en este siglo no tiene sentido.
O peor, pudo haber originado varias veces, por distintas familias indigenas o extranjeras, en partes de México muy retiradas. O sea que aunque varias familias en San Luis Potosí o Nuevo León lleven el nombre "Cuesta", puede ser que no hay ninguna relación genealógica. No creo que se puede asegurar que TODOS los apellidos sean una línea genealógica sin interrupciones por muchos siglos.
¿Soy el único con este problema por tener un apellido que también es una palabra común?
Lorenzo Cuesta Saldaña
Sacramento, CA
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Joseph:
I don't know what types of weather records might be available for Mexico, especially for the year you specified - 1793. However, it seems to me that military reports for that time period would include weather reports. I don't know where such military reports would be archived, but my guess would be that they are in the national archive of Mexico in DF or in Spain.
I googled < weather records mexico > and one of the sites I came across was for the "Instituto de Geografia, UNAM". Try these sites - they don't have what you asked about, but there is some other cool information:
http://indy2.igeograf.unam.mx/instituto/index.html
http://indy2.igeograf.unam.mx/instituto/publicaciones/atlas_nacional.htm
http://indy2.igeograf.unam.mx/instituto/publicaciones/atlas_con.html#Hi…
(I didn't check the Links section of Nuestros Ranchos to see if they are already posted.)
Have a good weekend.
Natalie in VA
Just a quick note/report on the NARA Genealogy Fair I attended on Wed., Apr 11, at National Archives in Washington, DC.
The theme for the fair: "Buried Biography: Bring 'Em Back to Life" ; this fair focused on Federal records located @ NARA that relate to genealogy, and that CANNOT be researched online (which means one must go to NARA/DC or other NARA facility). If you haven't visited the NARA genealogy site, I recommend doing so - LOTS of good stuff there; this is the URL:
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/
(Check out the genealogy Workshop schedule - maybe there is something near you to attend).
This URL will provide details regarding the fair:
http://www.archives.gov/dc-metro/know-your-records/genealogy-fair/
The speakers were encouraging genealogists to visit NARA sites to discover obsure (US federal) records that could aid researchers who were WRITING FAMILY HISTORIES and biographies. Some of the information would be helpful for writing about ancestors who immigrated to the U.S.
There were 12 different lectures (could choose only 5).
One of the interesting lectures was called "Stormy Weather" - a discussion of how weather effects families, communities, and local economies. Did severe or cataclysmic weather conditions cause families to move from one place to another, etc. (Note: this lecture was a "maiden" lecture - never before presented; we were the guinea pigs for the speakers - but I thought it was a very interesting topic, and provided food for thought. Samples of types of federal records were: 1) Annual Reports of the Surveyors General; 2) federal annual reports of violent ... weather; 3) records of: the Weather Bureau; WPA; Dept of State (there was a brief discussion of the world-wide effcts of the eruption of the volcano Kracatoa [?sp]); 4) photograph collection.
Though I live in Virginia, i will not be able to attend the NGS conference, There sure are some great presentations scheduled.
Have a good day.
Natalie in VA
agustin mota wrote: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:21:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: agustin mota
Subject: Suniga -Luna
To:
I am looking for my lost family can you help? The only information i have is oral history. My grandfathers name was Asencion Luna Haro born around 1892 in Cuculiten Jalisco. My great grandfathers name was Crespin Luna he married Severiana Haro both i believe from the same area.my grandmothers name was Clemencia Suniga born around 1910, married at age 13 died at about age20. after there marrige nothing was ever herd about the Suniga elders. My great grandfathers name was Pedro Suniga i was told came from the Tepetongo area.I was told years ago and recently that there had been a fire in Momax and that these records were lost. My aunts have birth certificates but they provided the information so that the certificate could be made.I know this for a fact.So any information will help get started.I am also reaserching Mota,Herrera,Alvares all from the Momax area these names are progresing due to other records.Thank you all Agustin from northern Sonoma county.
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A quick question.
Is anyone from the group, going to the NGS's conference in Richmond, next week?
Jonathan
Tony,
I found a declaration of intention to become a USA citzen by Jose Chavez in
1884.
Gloria
Is anyone else searching this area? I might of found some of my ancestors from this place. Here is the following information from IGI.
Jose Norverto de la Cueba and Maria Salome Gonzales
Marriage: May 15, 1787
Teocuitlan de Corona, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents of Groom: Nicolas de la Cueba & Teodora de la Garza
Parents of Bride: Gabriel Gonzales & Antonia Aguirre
Can anyone help? Thanks . any help or advice is appreciated! -Daniel
For Raul Fernandez, I just noticed I have some records for what I think are your lines in Los Haros. I have records I haven't entered in to my files yet but if you go to Rootsweb and put in Matilde (Maria) Santiago birth date 1872 it will pull up the family and the records I have on that line. I don't have the ancestor that connects you but I do have 3 children for them as well as some ancestors, hope it's your line and of some help to you.
Linda in Everett
Loulou,
Will you be going to this event? Or for that matter will anyone else who's from that region be going to this celebration in April? I don't know if I can but it sounds like it would be a nice opportunity to meet up with people from our region.
Thanks Loulou for posting this!!
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
----- Original Message ----
From: Loulou_R
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:39:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sèptimo Aniversario del Día de Nochistlense
Just wanted to pass along the following announcement:
La Asociación de Clubes Nochistlenses los invita a celebrar el día del Nochistlense los días 28 y 29 de Abril del presente año.
Thanks, I was able to see the American Heritage this time.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Serros
>Sent: Apr 1, 2007 9:41 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mary,
>
>
>Mary,
>
>Via personal email, you asked me more about Pánuco and I must comment on the Oñate family.
>
>The Oñate family has everything to do with Pánuco, originally a great silver-producing pueblo. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crist%C3%B3bal_de_O%C3%B1ate for a summary of the Oñate family activities in Pánuco. Don Juan de Oñate “discovered” and named El Paso, Texas. More Don Juan, see http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/OO/upo2_print.html.
>
>If you prefer Spanish, see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_O%C3%B1ate for Don Juan de Oñate.
>
>As is the case of many great mining cities, once the mines become depleted the inhabitants leave, hence a pueblo fantasma, which fairly much describes Pánuco today given descriptions I have had of the place presently and also conversations with people from Zacatecas.
>
>I was in Zacatecas, Zacatecas two years ago and I unforgivably did not visit the town, or at least what is left of it. It is the part of the El Camino Real de Tierra Adentro, see http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2004/2/2004_2_44.s…, which starts off with a discussion of Pánuco. The latter link is a delightful story of a journey on the El Camino Real.
>
>I will also post this on the Ranchos site. For what it is worth, many of the Cerros (or Cerro or de Cerro or de Serro) are originally from Pánuco, or so it is said. There is a part of Páncuo called Casa de Cerro. I have not made any connections with my family and anybody in Pánuco, as of yet.
>
>Ed Serros
I recommend the following books:
Dogs of God : Columbus, the Inquisition, and the defeat of the Moors / James
Reston, Jr., New York : Doubleday : c2005.
"To The End Of The Earth : A History Of The Crypto-Jews Of New Mexico" by
Stanley M. Hordes. Columbia University Press, NY, 2005.
Gloria
Hello Ed,
My mother's maiden name is Onate, and she is reported to have been born in either Villa Garcia, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes, Ags. I say reported because she had no birth certificate, grew up believing she was from Aguascalientes until she met her aunt Leonarda Onate who told her otherwise. Tia also took us to meet her brother Adolfo Onate living at the time (1960's)in Guadalajara. I have not been able to verify through FHC where she was born. My grandfather was Luis Onate and my ggrandfather was Don Rosalio De Onate. I was also taken to Don Rosalio's tomb inside a church in Aguascalientes. Unfortunately, I was about 12 at the time and not much interested. My mother's oral family history sounds like a gothic novel. Ironically, the only records I have found are from Panuco, Zacatecas 1882 on the marriage of my maternal grandmother--Santelices. I'm aware of the Onate history you so kindly made available; it's much more recent past that's got me stumped! Alice
--- ed@serros.net wrote:
From: Edward Serros
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mary,
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:41:15 -0700 (PDT)
Mary,
Via personal email, you asked me more about Pánuco and I must comment on the Oñate family.
The Oñate family has everything to do with Pánuco, originally a great silver-producing pueblo. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crist%C3%B3bal_de_O%C3%B1ate for a summary of the Oñate family activities in Pánuco. Don Juan de Oñate “discovered” and named El Paso, Texas. More Don Juan, see http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/OO/upo2_print.html.
If you prefer Spanish, see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_O%C3%B1ate for Don Juan de Oñate.
As is the case of many great mining cities, once the mines become depleted the inhabitants leave, hence a pueblo fantasma, which fairly much describes Pánuco today given descriptions I have had of the place presently and also conversations with people from Zacatecas.
I was in Zacatecas, Zacatecas two years ago and I unforgivably did not visit the town, or at least what is left of it. It is the part of the El Camino Real de Tierra Adentro, see http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2004/2/2004_2_44.s…, which starts off with a discussion of Pánuco. The latter link is a delightful story of a journey on the El Camino Real.
I will also post this on the Ranchos site. For what it is worth, many of the Cerros (or Cerro or de Cerro or de Serro) are originally from Pánuco, or so it is said. There is a part of Páncuo called Casa de Cerro. I have not made any connections with my family and anybody in Pánuco, as of yet.
Ed Serros
I hope this helps someone.
I am doing research on my Aguilar ancestors and while doing research I
ran into these.
Elvira
Descendants of Narciso Aguilar
Generation No. 1
1. NARCISO1 AGUILAR was born 1826 in , , Mexico, and died in Hacienda
El Mezquite, Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Mexico. He married PATRICIA
HERNANDEZ 1845 in Hacienda El Mezquite, Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Mexico.
She was born 1828 in , , Mexico, and died in Hacienda El Mezquite,
Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Child of NARCISO AGUILAR and PATRICIA HERNANDEZ is:
2. i. JUAN2 AGUILAR HERN
Ed,
Read your wondering about dual names with regards to the Jewish persons and their possibility of dual names. I have to say to those who were brave enough to practiced openly may not have, but those who were the converso basically had two lives and with that two or more names. Depending on their social status and the jobs closest to the crown made the true identity all the more important to hide.
This was not just indigenous to the 1492 expulsion from Spain but has gone back to as far as Gothic period. Names befit the ruling faction that was the "conqueror" of the period. So long before the new world, names fit both survival and religion.
Moor/ Jew conversos were a big part of the conquistadors but their families may have converted up to a hundred years before.
Mari
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The discussion on crypto jews in the New World had me googling around for more information on Jews and Muslims in the New World recently. I was intrigued by someone's mention of their grandmother being a "mesquita", supposedly meaning "mosque" so I took that to refer to Muslims in the New World, since Muslims go to "mosques" and Jews go to their "temples".
I found out that Muslims were not allowed to emigrate to the New World by order of the King. Apparently, he wanted them to stay because of their talents in art, etc. but he wanted to force them to convert. However, the Spaniards imported the Arabic style of architecture and art to the New World, having enjoyed it in Spain for hundreds of years.
I found an online five page article called "Rethinking Jews & Muslims - Quincentennial Reflections" by Ella Shohat, from The Middle East Report of Sept-Oct 1992. I had to purchase the article for $12.00 since there is no library on my island that connects to JSTOR. It was worth the money. I can't forward it to anyone due to the copyright agreement.
The article talks about how the forced conversion of Jews and expulsion of both Muslims and Jews from Spain coincided with the voyages of Columbus in 1492: "The Spanish-Christian war against Muslims and Jews was politically, economically and ideologically linked to the arrival of Columbus' caravels in Espanola. Spain, triumphant over the Muslims, risked investment in Columbus' schemes. His voyages were largely financed by wealth confiscated from Jews expelled during the Inquisition. Columbus' fleet departed from the relatively unknown seaport of Palos because the shipping lanes of Cadiz and Seville were clogged with fleeing Jews". I know that many Conversos were on the caravels to handle the more technical aspects of those voyages, such as navigators, etc..
The article also mentions a movie "El Santo Oficio (The Holy Office), 1973 by Arturo Ripstein, about "the Holy See's attempt to spread the Inquisition into the New World". Conversos ("Maranos") were forced to practice Judaism in secret in the New World. "At the film's finale, the Conversos, along with heretics, witches and indigenous infidels, are burned at the stake for their lack of faith. Those who refused to convert are burned alive, others are burned after hanging".
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
I would like to know if someone is doing resarch in Panuco, Zacatecas. I would also like a map of Zacatecas, can anyone help me with getting one??
I am doing resarch for my g--grandmother, her name is Manuela Mitre and her father is Maroial Mitre her mother is Juana Sandoval and they are from Panuco, Zacatecas. It seems that her father got married more than once and I am having a hard time to know which is which.
There is to many Manuel's in that area. I found a Manuel Garcia getting married to a Manuela Mitre, but I don't think that is the one. She is 15 years old when she married and if I am not mistaken she got married in 1869. My Manuela Mitre had a child in 1861.
I also ran into a Robert Mite from Colorado.and his g--grandfather's name is Tiburcio Mitre and his wife was Refo Diaz. This was the begning of my confusion. When I did a resarch I found out that both g-g-grandfathers have the same name, but different wifes.
Monday I will be ordering 2 film from the LDS. One for Birth and one for Marriages. Maybe I can solve this problem.
Mary
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