Quinteros of Zapotlan el Grande, Jalisco, 1700s

I am looking for the ancestors of:

Jose Marcelino Antonio Quintero Jimenes, born 16.6.1793
in Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco
and
Juana Maria Bartola Garcia Bonal or Bonales,
married 29.9.1815 in Corazon de Jesus, Tecolotlan, Jalisco

Jose Marcelino also had a brother,
Juan Jose Nepomuceno Quintero Jimenes, born 20.5.1791
in Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco

Parents:
Jose Marcelino Luciano Quintero
and Maria Tomasa Dolores Jimenez

Thanks,

Elise

Looking for a Book (arturoramos)

Arturo,

I have one.

get in touch with me through this email address:

CampeZina at juno.com

Use the symbol for an email address. I just get 100s of junk mail and
would like to prevent getting more.

Elvira

Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: arturoramos
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Looking for a Book
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Does anybody have a copy of this book or know where I can obtain one?

Jos? Le?n Robles de la Torre
Filigranas, Fundaciones y Genealogias, Tepetongo, Zacatecas
(Torre?n, Coahuila: Editorial del Norte Mexicano, 1999).

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Juanita, yes I would definitely would gladly accept any information you have
on Chavez and Arechiga. I know I am distantly related to el general Jesus
Arechiga who was president of Jalpa and governor of the state of Zacatecas. I
believe he was my greatgreat grandfather's cousin.



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Railroad Retirement Board

http://www.rrb.gov/blaw/foia/foia.asp

Arturo,

I found this online. It is confusing to me. They say that information is available under the Freedom of Information Act, but information is not given regarding individuals. Does that mean that if I asked them for information regarding my father's employment there, that they couldn't give it to me? My father did not get the RR retirement since he only worked there a short time. He worked for Westinghouse in California under regular Social Security before he passed away. I see that Ancestry.com has some RRB records, but I haven't checked them out yet. I guess only those that got RR retirement would be listed there.

Thanks,

Emilie

Arnoldo Garcia: Sacramento

Hey all you Sacramento Bees:

I'm wondering who knows Arnoldo Garcia from Sacramento? He recently
applied for membership with this email address: garciaa@scc.losrios.edu
It seems to be bouncing. If you know him can you contact him and tell
him to reapply with another email address.

He lists these locations:

Villa Guerrero, Jalisco
Totatiche, Jalisco
Colotlan, Jalisco
Tlatenango, Zacatecas

And these surnames:

Caballero Ramos
Garcia Valdez
Carreon Miramontes
Casas Castro

thanks,

joseph

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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Genealogy Meeting in Sacramento--March 17, 2007

Per Joseph's Request.... This is the Agenda for tomorrow's N. Calif. Meeting:

March 2007 Genealogy Meeting

Date: March 17 , 2007
10:30 AM - 1:30 PM
Raley's Event Center in Elk Grove
4900 Elk Grove Blvd.

Meeting called by: Maria E. Cortez
Type of meeting: Genealogical information sharing
Facilitator: Maria E. Cortez
Note taker: Alicia Carrillo
Timekeeper: Maria E. Cortez

Attendees: Kitty Cortez, Rich Cortez, Maria Cortez, Jaime Cader, Ray Gonzalez, Alicia Carrillo, Irma Gomez-Lucero, Lorenzo Cuesta, Anna Smith, Ed Davila, Francisco Martinez, Helyn Castañeda,
Map:

Topics
10:30 - 10:45 Introductions All
10:45 - 10:55 Book: The Weekend Genealogist Kitty Cortez
11:50 - 12:05 Mexico trip Anna Smith
12:05 - 12:15 Pomar family Jaime
12:15 - 12:45 Break / Grab lunch All
12:45 - 1:00 Informacion & Dispensa Matrimonial, and Limpieza de Sangre documents Kitty, Maria and Jaime
1:00 - 1:15 Freedom of Information Act Jaime & Ray
1:15 - 1:30 Open forum All

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Welcome Rosa

Thank you so much for taking the time to give me your valuable suggestions.
I felt that I was in a dead end trying to locate my mother's family since
the information that I have is very limited. I am using rootsmagic
software, do you still recommend me to use the PAF software. I foud how to
search for films, but I have not found the IGI or VRI buttons. Thank you
very much for your help, Rosa

>From: arturoramos
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Welcome Rosa
>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:56:15 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Rosa:
>
>Welcome to the group. As a new genealogist, I would suggest you begin by
>getting some software. PAF is put out by LDS for free and is very good
>software. It is imperative to keep very good records, including sources,
>from the onset.
>
>Next, I would suggest going to the "Films" section and finding the relevant
>municipalities to see if they are indexed in the LDS databases. If they
>are you will see "IGI" or "VRI" buttons next to the film number and
>description. Clicking on the button will give you the full contents of the
>film which you can then delimit by surname, first name, etc. Arandas, for
>example, is fully indexed so if you have the names of your
>great-grandparents you should be able to find their marriage and/or baptism
>certificates.
>
>Next, you should find your nearest family history center and order the
>relevant films where you know or suspect your ancestors information is
>listed. Indices are often wrong so it is worth verifying and even when
>they are correct, the actual record has much more information than what is
>extracted for the index.
>
>You should also browse or search through the user profiles and see if
>others are researching your towns or surnames. Many of us have found
>relatives through this group.
>
>It is also useful to download the Nuestros Ranchos user guide which you
>will find in the "Files" "Reference Materials" section of the site.
>
>Good luck.

We are the Mitchells I am Irma Romo Mitchell Dave's wife

My name is Irma Romo Mitchell. My husband and I have just recently become Nuestros Members. My husband is the geneology guru. I just happen to be his Hispanic / Mexican American wife - maiden named Romo from the Romo De Vivar from Spain then Mexico.

Dave is "Un Gotita" Spanish form around the year 700, however his love for the culture, food, tequilas, and beer amazes me. Just kidding - his love for family history is genuine and we Thank you for welcoming us into your email family. See you on March 17, 2007.

Signed,

Mrs "Un Gotita"

Before Flying to Zacatecas

Unfortunately for Mercedes and for anyone else doing research in Jalpa, Jalpa's records are very skimpy, probably lost during wars, fires and civil unrest but some of the other municipalities that are nearby (might) have some records for Jalpa. In my research primarily for Nochistlan but also in Jalpa I have found some of Jalpa's records in with Nochistlan, not many......................and Arturo is correct, the best place to do your research is through the family history centers, going to the town you might get some oral history but you won't get much in terms of birth, baptism or marriage records unless you have exact names with the exact birth, baptism or marriage dates.

Good luck Mercedes

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:35:19 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Before Flying to Zacatecas

Mercedes:

I am sure that a trip to Jalpa would be a great learning experience but as many members will tell you, going to the locality is not necessarily the best way to do genealogical research.

For one, the best genealogical records in Mexico are church records and many priests are very reticent about letting people look at them especially for broad research. Many civil records have been lost or are very disorganized in the towns as well and often the state capitals are the only places where you can find records.

That being said, the Family History Library has films for Jalpa that should probably be where you should begin your search. Just go to http://www.familysearch.org and look up the nearest family history center to you where you can go and order and view the films.

Jalpa, Zacatecas:

Información matrimonial 1864-1875 FHL INTL Film 1511832 Items 3-4
Información matrimonial 1874-1897 VAULT INTL Film 1511824
Información matrimonial 1898-1904 VAULT INTL Film 1511825

Nacimientos 1884-1890 FHL INTL Film 773875
Nacimientos 1891-1895 VAULT INTL Film 773876
Nacimientos 1896-1898 VAULT INTL Film 773877

New to the listserv

Dear Group Members:

I am new to this listserv and new to the genealogical investigation.
Consequently, I know that I will need your guidance. I have been very
impressed with the discussions. I am interested in the following areas: Los
Altos, Jalisco (De Leon, Trujillo), Arandas and Guadalajara, Jalisco
(Garcia), La Yesca, Tepic, Nayarit and Guadalajara (Macias, Perez). Thank
you very much for your help, Rosa E.

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Tierras Y Aguas Collection

Arturo,

Thanks for posting the samples from the Indice (#0269867).

Just from browsing the scans you put up, I found several of the surnames in my husband's ancestry.

So, how do you know which subsequent film to order, since the indice only has a number and name for the fundacion [?], and the name of the agraciado [?], but no date of the land grant.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA--

Brother's DNA

Yes, you are correct. In trying to simplify my explanation, I
neglected to add that information. Thank you for adding it. If a
male submits a DNA sample it can be tested for both his Y-DNA and
mtDNA, giving the Haplogroups for both his mother and father.

Linda

On Mar 10, 2007, at 4:35 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> It's my understanding that both female and male offspring carry
> their mother's mtDNA. It's only the female offspring that will
> continue to pass the mtDNA down a direct line, to both her female
> and male offspring. If one's brother's mtDNA is tested it would
> match that of his female sibling's mtDNA.
>
> The mtDNA in males can be tested...
> The YDNA that males received from their father is not passed to
> females, but continues to be passed from male offspring to their
> male offspring in a direct line.
>
> Pat Silva Corbera

romero89@earthlink.net

> Researching: Romero, Hallstead/Halstead, Davis, Hamm, Capwell,
> Buell, Beltz, Chandler, Burgess, Hitchcock, de la Torre, Hotchkiss,
> Moore, Nichol/Nichols, Phelps, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge, Barba,
> Brewster, Fisher, Foulkes
>
>

Carta abierta a Don Mariano González Leal

Estimado Sr. González:

Disculpe que me dirija a Ud. por este medio, pero tengo entendido que Ud. pertenece al grupo Nuestros Ranchos y no he podido comunicarme con Ud. por otros medios. Traté de eviarle este mismo mensaje hace algunos meses, pero probablemente las direcciones que me dieron no estén actualizadas.

Abusando de su bondad me dirijo a Ud. para hacerle una pregunta sobre un asunto que me tiene completamente anonadado. Se trata del sobrenombre Bernardo Salado por el que se conoció a mi séptimo bisabuelo Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza. Siguiendo la línea que va de mi tatarabuela María del Refugio Ruiz de Esparza hasta conectarla con Lope Ruiz de Esparza (uno de los primeros pobladores de Aguascalientes) he llegado a familiarizarme con un sinnúmero de personas que vivieron no solo en esa ciudad, sino en muchos otros de la región de los Altos de Jalisco y Zacatecas. Todas ellas figuran en mi base de datos, que cuenta ya con más de 6,500 personas. Es bastante conocido el hecho que Aguascalientes ocupó un lugar estratégico en el Camino de la Plata durante los S. XVII y XVIII, ya que quedaba en la ruta por la que se transportaba ese metal de las minas de Zacatecas a la capital del reino de la Nueva España.

Empezé buscando a los padres de mi tatarabuela, y poco a poco fuí encontrando a sus abuelos, bisabuelos, tatarabuelos, etc. etc. tanto en registros parroquiales de la Iglesia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes, como en los de otras iglesias y poblaciones cercanas. De esa forma llegué a encontrar a mis octavos bisabuelos Lope Ruiz de Esparza y Ana Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma. Aunque parezca raro, me fue sumamente difícil encontrar quienes fueron los padres de mi cuarto bisabuelo Vicente Ruiz de Esparza, ya que buscaba a su madre bajo el nombre de Josepha de Ulloa, cuando en realidad era Josepha de Iñiguez y Ulloa. De allí que en algunos registros aparezca su nombre como Josepha de Ulloa y en otros como Josepha de Iñiguez.

El motivo principal de estas líneas es hacerle una pregunta para tratar de aclarar algunas dudas que tengo sobre mi séptimo bisabuelo Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza. Bernardo, hijo de Lope Ruiz de Esparza y Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma, casó el 28 de febrero de 1634 con Catalina Lozano en la estancia de Morcenique, propiedad de su padre. Su partida de matrimonio dice textualmente:

"En postrero día del mes de febrero (de 1634) el padre Joan Agustín por commisión mía desposó en la estancia de Lope Ruiz de esparza a bernardo Ruiz de esparza i cathalina lozano, siendo testigos Salvador de Esparza y Christobal Losano."

Será posible que Ud. sepa por qué en algunos registros aparece Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza con el alias "Bernardo Salado"? Ese mismo apellido (o sobrenombre) también se les dió a algunos de sus hijos y nietos, y quizás a otros de sus descendientes. Por ejemplo, su hijo Cristóbal Ruiz de Esparza aparece en algunos registros como Cristóbal Salado, y su nieto Francisco Ruiz de Esparza como Francisco Salado. Etcétera, etcétera.

Me despido de Ud. con un cordial saludo reiterándole que quedaré sumamente agradecido por CUALQUIER información que pueda proporcionarme al respecto.

Atentamente,

Guillermo Figueroa Strecker
aka Bill Figueroa

DNA results for surname Castanon

The results for our surname Castanon DNA came back today. They are R1B1, considered European.. What a mix we are when our ancestors are from Mexico! My maternal MTDNA is Native American, Haplogroup A, my mothers Gutierrez line done through her brother came back Eurasian, Haplogroup N and now a European ancestor.. Doing the genealogy also have given me 3 lines of Mulato ancestors in the mid 1600's in Jalisco, Zacatecas and Michoacan.. I am everything Mexico has to offer! Just thought I'd share the results.

Linda Castanon-Long

research Digest, Vol 13, Issue 14

Here are some Alvarado people from Zacatecas who ended moving to
Durango and Coahuila. Most of them came to work in the area of la
Laguna betwen Coahuila and Durango.

Many came from Zacatecas to work in the mining area in San Juan de
Guadalupe, Durango and Coahuila area which is just across the Aguanaval
river.

In San Juan de Guadalupe there are many people who came from Zacatecas
starting in the early 1700s. I hope this helps somebody.

Elvira

Descendants of Francisco Alvarado

Generation No. 1

1. FRANCISCO1 ALVARADO was born in Ca

Manuel Elijio Arispe Esparza de Saltillo, Coahuilla, Mexico

Mis ancestros eran Domingo Saldana Garcia Esparza married (caso con)Gertrudes de los Santos Arispe en Saltillo, Sagrario Metropolitano, Coahuilla, Mexico

El hijo...their son was Manuel Elijio Arispe Esparza de Saltillo, Coahuilla, Mexico caso con
Maria Rita Felipa Quintanilla Guajardo and they lived in Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo Leon Mexico.

Does anyone have more information?

Phyls Esparza, Texas

[Fwd: [mexicanfhr] Genealogy Classes]

this is a great opportunity. If you can you should take Jonathan's class.

joseph

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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [mexicanfhr] Genealogy Classes
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:36:06 +0000
From: mexicanfhr
Reply-To: mexicanfhr@yahoogroups.com
To: mexicanfhr@yahoogroups.com

Just to let you all know. In a few weeks, I will start teaching a
weekly online genealogy class, probably on Hispanic Research, at
www.familyhistoryliveonline.com . It will be a 30 minute class. So, if
anyone is interested in learning more, let me know.

Also, I can teach other classes at anytime, or maybe schedule to have
group conference.

Jonathan

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