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With respect to missing messages, it is my opinion that not everyone understands how to use the site.  I posted messages on the the website thinking that they would go out via the distribution list.  They didn't. It wasn't until I sent my message and postings via my registered email using the distribution list research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org (per Joseph's instructions) that my messages went out. I was doing it wrong and just didn't realize it.  
Joseph, thanks again for your help. 
While this may not be true for everyone, I hope this helps others.

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With regards to the missing messages/replies ? what follows are my options
but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:

1)      Shut down the site

2)      Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)

Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas ? lo que sigue son mis
opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:

1) cerr? la pagina

              2) carga de pertenencia (mi opini?n esta opci?n resultar? en
#1)

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

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Subject: Digest Footer

Pars website:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Reference code is: CONTRATACION,S.13,SS.5

Hace mucho no entro aqui! Sigo con la constante lucha de los archivos de Juchipila y/o Amoxochitl pre-1800. Alguien ha tenido suerte?!

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Still looking for records for Juchipila/Amoxochitl pre-1800. Any luck!?

RESEARCHING MARTIN DE TORRES WHO MARRIED TO JUANA JACINTA DE SANTOS. HAD A SON ALEXANDRO DE TORRES.BORN AROUND 1757 PROBABLY IN MEDIA LUNA JALISCO. I HAVE GONE BACK AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH .COM ALLOWS ME. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS WHERE I CAN GO LOOK FOR THIS INFORMATION. THE REASON I SAY MEDIA LUNA IS BECAUSE UP LEADING UP TO MARTIN DE TORRES EVERY BODY WAS BORN IN MEDIA LUNA. WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP

Following the discussion last week regarding Geronimo Sanchez de Porras (Viejo) and his son, Geronimo Sanchez de Porras (Mozo); I was wondering if anyone had any information on the parentage of El Viejo. I did locate a burial record for Diego Sanchez de Porras which mentions that his executor was Geronimo Sanchez de Porras, his son.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52683-27?cc=1874591&wc…

It also mentions that Diego was Soltero, but I have found various documents stating this when the person was actually widowed.
Thank you,
Deedra Corona

Estimados Miembros, (English below)

Hace tiempo di a conocer aquí en Nuestros Ranchos http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22112
datos escritos por Don Gabriel Agraz García de Alba" Origen y Desenvolvimiento de la Familia de la Cueva en Tecolotlán", en "Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica", Volumen VII, México D.F, 1953, pp. 53-108. que detallaban como la familia de Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva (¿?-1684) y Tomasina de Velasco, vecinos de Tecolotlán estaba emparentada con la rama española de los de la Cueva. Los padres de D. Beltrán fueron Diego de la Cueva (quien empezó a usar el patronímico Fernández) y Da. María de Solís y Ochoa.

Hubo debate sobre si los datos eran fidedignos (cosa valiosa, pues los documentos secundarios son siempre menos valiosos que los primarios). Pero tengo el placer de haber encontrado un documento de Ordenes de D. Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva., hijo de D. Diego de Mora y de Francisca de la Cueva.
México, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1979>Guadalajara>Diócesis de Guadalajara> Capellanías 1642. En la imagen 153 que se encuentra en las Capellanías de 1642, pero escrito en 1661 se encuentra la ascendencia de D. Andrés. Ordenes de Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva:
"en quanto a los Padres de dha doña francisca de la cueba los conosio y comunico mucho tiempo en el pueblo de ahualulco donde eran vezinos i que supo que diego de la cueba su Padre y doña María ochoa su madre eran hijos de Juan de la Cueba Mendoza y de doña Francisca de Colio personas limpias y nobles abuelos de la dha doña francisca de la cueba..."
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-25463-84?cc=1874591&wc…

Por los datos que provee D. Andrés, me es obvio que doña Francisca de la Cueva su madre fue hermana de D. Beltrán, No sabía yo de la existencia de ella. Por lo tanto, lo único en que erró don Gabriel Agraz fue en dar el nombre de Catalina de la Torre a la esposa del Cap. Juan de la Cueva Mendoza en vez del nombre correcto que fue Francisca de Colio. Agraz afirmó que la esposa del Cap. Juan fue hija de D. Diego de Colio, cosa que es verdad pues Francisca fue hija de Don Diego de Colio y de Catalina de la Torre. Por lo tanto Agraz confundió las generaciones. Este documento por lo tanto esclarece la línea.

La mención de Ahualulco en las Ordenes de D. Andrés también ayuda a poner a la familia de la Cueva en la región de Ahualulco a principios del siglo XVII. ¿Hay más evidencia? En efecto, pues hay un Luis de la Cueva, bautizado el 6 de enero de 1630 hijo nada más y nada menos que de Diego de la Cueva y de María de Ochoa! https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18520-6325-10?cc=1874591&wc=…

Mi hipótesis es que esta es la misma pareja mencionada arriba como padres de Francisca de la Cueva. Esto querría decir que Luis de la Cueva probablemente es hermano de Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva y de Francisca de la Cueva.

Una generación después encontramos a un Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva teniendo hijos por 1650 en Etzatlán que está a 16km de Ahualulco. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1BZ-54R La idea de que este Beltrán fuese el mismo que el de Tecolotlán ya había sido sugerido por otros en este foro. Pero el documento de D. Andrés nos da una conexión más clara a Ahualulco-Etzatlán. Es muy posible entonces que Beltrán de la Cueva avecindando en Tecolotlán pudo haber casado dos veces, la primera con Catalina de Vera y Monroy y la segunda con Tomasina de Velasco. Lo que necesitamos ahora para cerrar toda duda es encontrar el testamento de D. Beltrán si aún existe, pues en su acta de defunción de 1684 dice que hizo testamento.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-7303-34?cc=1874591&wc=…

La línea que propongo entonces va así:
Cap. Juan de la Cueva Mendoza (nacido en Úbeda por 1552)cc. Francisca de Colio, (hija de D. Diego de Colio y Da. Catalina de la Torre), tuvieron por hijo a:
-Diego Fernández de la Cueva cc. María de Solís y Ochoa:
o Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva cc. Tomasina de Velasco y Zúñiga
*Juan de la Cueva cc. Juana de Mora (sin relación a D. Diego de Mora)
*Francisco de la Cueva cc. María Francisca Barillas
o Francisca de la Cueva cc. Diego de Mora
* Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva
o Luis de la Cueva (1630-¿?)

Sigamos en la búsqueda!
Sergio S. Salés

Dear Members,

A while back I published a post here http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22112 which was originally written by Gabriel Agraz García de Alba in "Origen y Desenvolvimiento de la Familia de la Cueva en Tecolotlán", in "Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica", Volumen VII, México D.F, 1953, pp. 53-108, which detailed the ancestry of Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva, husband of Tomasina de Velasco, living in Tecolotlán. The parents of Beltran were Diego de la Cueva and Maria de Solís y Ochoa.

There was some debate as to whether the information was reliable (always a conversation worth having). But I had the pleasure of finding the Ordination papers of Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva., son of Diego de Mora and Francisca de la Cueva.
On image 153, found in the Capellanias of 1642 document, but actually written in 1661 we find the ancestry of . Andrés. Ordenes de Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva:

Encontre una copia del Acta de Defuncion de mi Abuelo Juan Castro originario de Barranca de Santa Clara, Jalisco donde dice que murio de bala y que fue enterrado en una fosa de 3ra clase en el Cementerio San Miguel. Tambien dice que fue herido de bala en una region llamada "las playitas" en el Municipo de Zacoalco de Torres. Mi pregunta es como o donde puedo encontrar mas informacion sobre su acesinato? si se investigo o no o si se juzgo a alguien?. Tambien me gustaria saber donde puedo encontrar una lista de los Cementerios del municipio. Desconosco donde queda el Cementerio San Miguel. Me gustaria buscar su tumba si es posible (no se que significa una fosa de 3ra clase).

Hello everyone, can someone please tell me if records ever existed for Apozol, Jalpa and Juchipila, Zac. prior to 1800. If not, did our ancestors have to travel to nearest town like Nochistlan for marriage, baptism etc...
As many of you already now, the records for these three places start about mid 1850's.

I am specifically looking into my Medrano Family, Jose Maria Medrano married to Maria Antonia Perez, the only children I was able to find were:
Feliciano Medrano (born about 1812 in Juchipila and died in 1886 in Jalpa) married to and Romana Macias and Maria Lucia Hernandez.
Pablo Medrano (born about 1817 in Juchipila)married to Maria Felipa Huerta

Both of their sons married and the families went back and forth between these three towns.

I found many Medrano Families in Nochistlan from that era, but I still have to make a connection.

Thank You

Ruben Rojas Delgado

I am researching a couple from Villa de Obregon (Canadas) named Ignacio Lomeli and Petra Villalpando.

Petra Villalpando is the daughter of Pedro Villalpando and Maria Guadalupe Casillas. Petra's siblings are Ignacia born in 1918, Bibiana born in 1920, Maria de Jesus born in 1922, Bartola born in 1925, Bacilio born in 1916, Francisco born in 1924, Reyes born in 1923.Petra villalpando Casillas was born in 1912. All these dates are according to the census in 1930.

I was unable to find the Villa Obregon church records online in family search. Are the Viila de Obregon, Jalisco records available online?

Thanks,
R.A. Ricci

The marriage record for Gabriel de Lomelin to Melchora de los Reyes in 1673 Nochistlan states that they were dispenses. Has anyone seen this dispensa?

Melchora de los Reyes h.l. Hernando Delgadillo (Perez de Frias, Frias) and Andrea Rodas

Gabriel de Lomelin h.l. Domingo Lomelin and Juana de Mendoza

Thank you

Alex Mercado

With regards to the missing messages/replies – what follows are my options
but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:

1) Shut down the site

2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)

Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas – lo que sigue son mis
opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:

1) cerró la pagina

2) carga de pertenencia (mi opinión esta opción resultará en
#1)

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

i decided to make this post in order to make this collection a little bit easier to navagate. unfortunately some parts don't appear to have indexes attached.

here's the link to first page
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22323-8393-36?cc=1916240&…

first index from right side of pages 204-206 is for pages 208- left side of 282.

second one is from 286-288 for 290-366

3rd is from 438-441 for 443-533

4th is from 542-546 for 548-653

5th is from 660-663 for 665-772

6th one is incomplete and is on 1314 for 1289-1313

7th one is from 1319-1320 for 1322-1368

8th is from 1372-1373 for 1375-1440

9th is from 1611-1616 for 1618-1786

10th one is from 1796-1801 for 1803-1936

11th is from 2263-2265 for 2267-2396

12th is from 2405-2409 for 2411-2506

13th is from 2515-2526 fr 2528-2667

14th one is from 2683-2689 for 2694-2800-ish (???)

15th one is frm 2807-2809 for 2811-2922

i decided to make this post in order to make this collection a little bit easier to navagate. unfortunately some parts don't appear to have indexes attached.

here's the link to first page
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22323-8393-36?cc=1916240&…

first index from right side of pages 204-206 is for pages 208- left side of 282.

second one is from 286-288 for 290-366

3rd is from 438-441 for 443-533

4th is from 542-546 for 548-653

5th is from 660-663 for 665-772

6th one is incomplete and is on 1314 for 1289-1313

7th one is from 1319-1320 for 1322-1368

8th is from 1372-1373 for 1375-1440

9th is from 1611-1616 for 1618-1786

10th one is from 1796-1801 for 1803-1936

11th is from 2263-2265 for 2267-2396

12th is from 2405-2409 for 2411-2506

13th is from 2515-2526 fr 2528-2667

14th one is from 2683-2689 for 2694-2800-ish (???)

15th one is frm 2807-2809 for 2811-2922

With regards to the missing messages/replies – what follows are my options
but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:

1) Shut down the site

2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)

Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas – lo que sigue son mis
opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:

1) cerró la pagina

2) carga de pertenencia (mi opinión esta opción resultará en
#1)

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Greetings fellow history buffs, researchers and Sherlock Holmes types. I
feel privileged to become a member of this group. I became interested in
genealogy after my mother passed away in 2009 and I realized she was the
last person left from her family line. I know I felt empty and lost without
her and at the same time wondered where our cousins and the rest of our
ancestors. We talked about family when mother was alive, but, I never
really paid attention or really listened. I decided back then I had to find
the answers and perhaps connect with cousins I never knew. I've been
digging for five years now and have found many answers but with the answers
came the mysteries. So interesting how women were molded to think and how
the rules for proper anything were one sided. I spend to much time
researching, so I'm told. I'm like a detective who has to solve a mystery
that just keeps haunting my mind.

My family roots come from the state of Zacatecas and my roots are the Tello
family lineage. San Pedro Ocampo, Melchor Ocampo, Concepcion Del Oro,
Mezquital Del Oro, Bonanza, Cedros are just a few towns and church names
I've found along the trenches. One place I have not found information on is
"Rancho de Los Tellos" where some of my ancestors were born and married.
The men in the family worked the silver mines, so they moved around the
various towns to work. They also lived to the San Luis Potosi and Saltillo,
Coahuila; many were born and died in there. I found myself overwhelmed with
discoveries I never imagined would keep me awake at night. My detective
type mind swells with thoughts and solutions to these mysterious puzzles
called family roots. I know nothing about Mexico and the states my roots
came from. I read about Mexico and try to imagine my ancestors there during
the 1700-1900s. I now see how brave and hard working my ancestors were. I
could never survive those conditions and extremely hard work, what a
spoiled human being I am.

I am Yolanda Kline and hope that I will find more answers with the help of
this great meeting room.

I am not sure if the name is Jesus or Juan Antonio Vicente, ch. 26 Nov
1829, but I also have a hard time reading the parents names. I you could
help I really would appreciate it. Thank you.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19453-71371-58?cc=1883388&wc…

Esther

Joseph,

Danny and I seem to be getting the replies to NR for previous posts we did not receive, so we don't know what is being replied to.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

I am looking for descendants of Rita Garcia de Sanchez and her husband Miguel Sanchez.i am trying to find Rita Garcias parents. I was hoping that descendants of theirs may have more information on Rita Garcia that may provide clues to his ancestry.

Miguel Sanchez (born 1882) and Rita Garcia (born abt 1883) were married and lived in Tepatitlan Jalisco, Mexico.

They have at least five children but I suspect they had more than that.

I have as their children :

Paula Sanchez Garcia born about 1904 married to Jose Maria Franco Gomez born in 1903

Agustin Sanchez Garcia born about 1913

Maria Sanchez Garcia born about 1915

Ysaac Sanchez Garcia born about 1917

Maria de la Luz Sanchez Garcia born about 1920

The national census has them residing in Tepatitlan Jalisco Mexico in 1930. In 1930 Paula Sanchez Garciawas already married to Jose Maria Franco.but the rest of the siblings that I have listed are shown as residing with the parents.

Thank you,

R.a. Ricci

-----Original Message-----
From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 7:38 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos September 2015

Please cut and paste:
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Thank you to all those who have sent in stories and articles. You are shaping Somos Primos by sharing.

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Rights Movement by J. Gilberto Quezada Mexican American Lawyers Club by Herman Sillas, A Tribute to My Mother Wanda Fuscillo Garcia by Wanda Garcia The Saga of Cesar Chavez By James DiEugenio, Chicago Latino Network Hall of Fame Reception
Study: Film Still Mostly White, Straight and Male Latinos Are Everywhere, Except on TV. What's going on?
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HERITAGE PROJECTS
Visiting Our Spanish American Heritage by Eddie Martinez Lady in Blue Project. . . Margil Sor Maria Initiative Time to tell the full Alamo story by Rolando Briseno List of historic sites where civil rights battles took place by Mexican
Americans/Chicanos by Gilberto Quezada Federal Civil Rights timeline website excludes Latinos by Mimi Lozano Announcing Handbook of Tejano History Project by Emilio Zamora and Andrés Tijerina

HISTORIC TIDBITS
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USA LATINO PATRIOTS
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EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
450th Anniversary Commemoration, September 8, 2015
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National Meeting being held in Washington, D.C.

SURNAMES
My Own Discovery of My Family's Connection to King Fernando by John D.
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FAMILY HISTORY
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BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
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edited by Laura E. Matthew and Michael R. Oudijk Teresa of the New World by Sharman Apt Russel
Cortes: The Great Adventurer and the Fate of Aztec Mexican by Richard Lee Marks

I found this very nice dispensa (thanks to Katy's website) for the marriage of Isabel Sanchez de Porras to Miguel de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza widow of Getrudis de Alderete

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-3962-36?cc=1874591&wc=…

Its a nice dispensa because it includes more information than average and clarifies the Sanchez de Porras lines. Included is

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo 1 Leonor de Hermosillo
Leonor Gonzalez de Hermosillo 2 Francisco Gutierrez de Hermosillo
Geronimo Sanchez de Porras 3 Leonor Gutierrez de Hermosillo
Isabel Sanchez de Porras 4 Miguel de la Mora

The significant other of each person is listed as well (except for Leonor Gutierrez de Hermosillo, which through other sources I know to be Juan de la Mora)

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Ana Gonzalez Florida
Leonor Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Geronimo Sanzhez de Porras, el Viejo (Captain)
Geronimo Sanchez de Porras, el Mozo (Captain) and Maria Anna Suarez de Ibarra

Leonor de Hermosillo and Miguel Gutierrez
Francisco Gutierrez de Hermosillo and Juana Carvajal

Witnesses include Juan Sanchez de Porras (Captain, I also have seen him as Sargent) son of Geronimo Sanchez de Porras, el Viejo and Pedro Sanchez de Porras (Alferez), also son of Geronimo Sanchez de Porras, el Viejo. It is also explicity stated that Miguel Gutierrez and Ana Gonzalez Florida are siblings, so the top of the lineages are a pair of sibling who married another pair of siblings.

I figure I'd post this dispensa because of all of the many details it has. I have seen on many online trees that Geronimo is married to both Leonor Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria Ana Suarez de Ibarra. I also noticed the dispensa states that Francisco Gutierrez de Hermosillo married Juana de Carvajal. Is the use of this surname correct? I havent researched her but many trees show that her surname should be Lomelin or Benavides and she married Rodrigo Carvajal.

I have been working on an index for this film of Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations, which is nominally from the period 1733/34.

I am posting this note because the film covers time periods that are not at all obvious from the film title.

While many of the records are from the 1733/34 period, there are many for the period 1735-1758. This latter period is mostly indios, with very few mestizos and mulatos, but no Espanols, from the pueblos of San Marcos, Jesus Maria, Pueblo Nueva, and San Joseph de Grasia.

I am planning on posting this work in the Nuestros Ranchos reference material file, along with indexes for the other films of the 1730/1740 period, later this Fall.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-64241-20?cc=1874591&wc…

usually a capellania lists a particular person's name but this one sayas los yndios de nochistlan instead

Monday, March 30, 2009

Dear Tomas--

I have been studying your family lines. I have three children for Don Jose Rafael VILLARRUEL and Dona Maria Antonia GALLAGA, the first of the three born about 1785. I do not have the other two wives for Jose Antonio Rafael VILLARROEL Castellanos, whose birth I was guessing was about 1755. I did not have his parents. Do you have parents for Don Maria Antonia GALLAGA?

The date of marriage for the second wife does not work at 3 Feb 1722. It was 1792?

I will send more out tomorrow.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego

--- On Sun, 3/29/09, Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez wrote:

> From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villaroel Apellido
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 10:44 PM
> Hola:
>
> Gusto en Saludarte, yo tengo ascendencia Villarroel o
> Villarruel en
> mi sangre, me interesa este apellido de mis ancestros.
>
> Al Parecer los Villaruel, vienen desde Michoacan, a la
> Rivera de
> Chapala, a la Barca, Jamay, Ocotlan y de alli pasan a
> Tototllan y
> Atotonilco El Alto.
>
> Mi Rama de los Villarruel y hasta donde yo he
> investigado es
> la siguiente: Yo: Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez, Mi
> Madre:
> Ma. Elena Gomez Castellanos, Mi Abuelo: Jose Gomez Gomez,
> Mi Bisabuelo: Ignacio Gomez Villarruel, Mi Tatarabuela:
> Maria
> Quirina Villaruel Orozco, Mi Cuarto Abuelo: Jose Vicente
> Agustin
> Villarruel Lomelin Bautizado el 30 de A gosto de 1832 en
> Ocotlan, Jal., casado el 5-Jul-1848 en Ocotlan con Maria
> Teresa
> Mariana Orozco Jimenez, Mi Quinto Abuelo: Juan Jose de la
> Cruz Villarruel Cabeza de Vaca, bautizado el 28-Nov-1797 en
> Jamay, Jalisco, casado el 8-May-1822 en Ocotlan, Jal. con
> Teresa Lomelin Flores. Mi 6to. Abuelo: Rafael Villarroel de
> Ochoa
> Nacido Aprox. en 1773 probablemente en La Barca, Jal.,
> casado
> el 05-Abr-1793 en Ixtlan, Michoacan con Ma. Rafaela Cabeza
> de
> Vaca Cuevas, Mi 7mo. Abuelo: Jose Antonio Rafael Villarroel
> Castellanos Bautizado el 14-Jun-1753 en Ocotlan, Jal.
> casado
> a parecer 3 veces la 1a. con Ma. Antonia Gallaga del que no
> tengo la fecha, la 2da. con Vicenta de Ochoa el 03-Feb-1722
> en Ocotlan, Jal. y la 3ra: con Ma. Vicenta Villanueva
> Orejel
> el 28-Oct-1796 en San Francisco de Ixtlan, Michoacan.
> mi 8vo. Abuelo: Jose Antonio Villarroel que caso con Maria
> Teresa Castellanos, de los que no tengo mas datos.
>
> Yo tambien agradeceria mas informacion al respecto de
> los Villarroel.
>
> Atentamente:
>
> Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.
>
>
>
> Saludos desde Guadalajara:
>
> Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Hi, my name is Barb Walker Terrones and I am a new member to this group. I have been researching my Walker tree for ten years and now am working on my husband's family, the Terrones family. I have been able to trace the name back to Antonio Terrones, born about 1708 in Chinampas, Ojuelos de Jalisco, Mexico. I am doing this for my children, as well as my husband's family, so they have a better understanding of who they are and where their ancestors originated. I also am a member to Ancestry.com and am able to assist in searches.

Antonio Terrones married Marta De La Cruz. They had Manuel Villanueva Terrones, baptized 23 Sep 1731 Ciénega De Mata Ojulelos, Jalisco, Mexico. Manuel Terrones married Manuela De La Trinidad De Lira and they had Vicente Terrones born 26 Oct 1768 Hacienda de Cienega, Jalisco, Mexico. Vicente Terrones married Maria Paula Ramires and they had Marcelino Terrones born about 1800 in Chinampas, Jalisco, Mexico. Marcelino Terrones married Maria Prudencia Guerrero and they had Ricardo Terrones.

Ricardo Terrones married Nicolaza Cerdo and they had at least 7 children. Three of those children, Luciano, Sisto, and Serapio, had many children, some of whom immigrated to Los Angeles, CA between 1920 and 1923, most eventually settling in Santa Maria, CA. My husband is descended through Serapio Terrones.

Hola estimados compañeros:

Quiero compartirles un documento que descubrí gracias al trabajo de Katy Brecht Quesada en su índice de Ordenes Sacerdotales.

No estoy completamente seguro si este documento hace referencia a Juan Gómez Rubio, mejor conocido como Juan Gómez-García casado con María de Velasco, pareja que residió en Tecolotlán a mediados del siglo XVII.

Esta información que no parece ser para aspirar al sacerdocio, fue recabada el 10 de Julio de 1646 en el pueblo de Cocula. Francisco Martín solicita información sobre los padres de Juan Gómez Rubio, que por lo que alcanzo a entender el propósito de ésta tiene algo que ver con sus bienes.

Por la declaración de los tres testigos, se puede rescatar lo siguiente sobre la ascendencia de Juan: Que fue hijo de Alonso Gómez Rubio (originario de los Reinos de Castilla y que vino a la Nueva España en busca de Fray Martín Rubio, su hermano que vivía en el Convento de dicho pueblo) y de María Gómez, a su vez hija de María Moreno. Que para 1646 tenía 25 años por lo que debió nacer por 1620-21. También se menciona que Francisco Martín (quien solicita la información) y Constanza Martín eran sus hermanos y a la vez padrinos de su bautismo.
Sin embargo en ningún momento se menciona que fuera aspirante a Orden Sacerdotal, ni que fuera finado. Por lo que mi primer interrogante que no pude responder por ser poco legible la letra es ¿Porqué se levantó esa información? Ya mencioné que creo tiene algo que ver con los bienes de Juan Gómez Rubio. La respuesta a esta pregunta es para tener la seguridad que no fuera miembro del clero ya que eso descartaría que se pudiera tratar del Juan Gómez Rubio casado con María de Velasco.

De acuerdo a la fecha de nacimiento, es probable que se trate del Juan que vivió en Tecolotlán. Juan tuvo varios hijos pero el acta bautismal más antigua que se encuentra en el buscador de Familysearch es la de su hija Francisca, fechada el 27 de Agosto de 1667 en Tecolotlán. En ella él está asentado como JUAN GÓMEZ RUBIO.

Les dejo el link del documento en cuestión:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-22561-46?cc=1874591&wc…
Se encuentre en el microfilm Ordenes 1600-1628, 1714 y empieza en la imagen num. 85

Hasta la fecha, no teníamos idea de cual podía ser el origen del que es para muchos de nosotros nuestro antepasado. Yo creo que por las fechas, y la cercanía que tenía Cocula de Tecolotlán, podría ser nuestro ancestro,

Me gustaría conocer la opinión de ustedes al respecto.

Atentamente,
Enrique Salvador Agraz Villarreal