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I would like to share my research and records and hopefully someone in the group can help fill in the holes where I only have on spouse named in a dispensation.
The first link is to my line from Jerez and Tepetongo Zacatecas Mexico. It starts with my Dad Chet (Aniceto) Castanon.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=mexico&id=I00…

The second link is my maternal line starting with my mother Dolores Gutierrez from Tamazula, Jalisco going back to Michoacan.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=mexico&id=I41…

I just updated my files and they contain 20 years of work and over 110 thousand people. I only meant to do my immediate lines but ended up doing the lines of the families they married into.

My file name is Mexico and if you go to the index hopefully you will see something of interesting to you and your line.
Linda in Olympia

Hello, I am looking for information on the "Ximenes de Alvarado" line from Teocaltiche, Jalisco. This is what I have so far: Luis Ximenes de Alvarado (mid 1600's) married to Maria Delgadillo, Cristobal Ximenes de Alvarado married to Petrona Delgadillo, Mariano Ximenes de Alvarado married to Gertrudis Yanes. I'm searching for documentation of a second marriage of Mariano to "Luiza Martin" around 1770-1772.

Luiza may be of the Martin de Campo line - father Francisco Leandro - mother Maria Anna Gomes Hurtado, but I cannot make this assumption. I need verification. I'm searching page by page, but I have not found their marriage records yet as of today since there are many districts where this could be recorded.

Their children's birth records are in San Lagos and Mexticacan, but they do not list grandparents. My line is through Mariano Ximenes and Luiza Martin's son Nicolas. There are ties to this family in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, Mexico and I found a Nicolas Ximenes - in that district - same time era - with parents listed as Mariano Ximenes and Luiza Martin'es' - no grandparents listed.

Thank you

I have long believed that the "Libro verde" would be a great source of information. I want to share my recent experience with a Libro verde.

I found some information on a line that I am researching and felt that I had hit a jackpot. When I got to the end I was disappointed because the information in the book was different than information that I had. I became very disappointed and did not sleep well that night because if the Libro verde was correct, than a lot of the research that I have been doing was for naught since it stated that the couple that I was researching did not have any children. I did notice a little mistake in the records where they stated that the wife was illegitimate. I knew for sure that this was a mistake since it was a well known fact that she was born legitimate, so I started to have hope that if they made a little mistake, than maybe they made another and my research would still be useful. The next morning, with only a little hope, I returned the Libro Verde and realized that on the far right side was an additional comment stating that it was in error and that the people that I was researching had children. I continued my research into this family and realized that some of the other information that they laid out was not true since I had seen some primary sources on the family.

It was only after this that I then researched the accuracy of the Libro Verde. It turns out that this Libro Verde is well known for its mistakes and that other Libro verde versions do not have the same information. It also turns out that the sources for many of the family trees in the Libro Verdes were documents that we can ourselves pull and should check for accuracy. I took an even closer look at this Libro verde and found many other mistakes on the family that I am researching.

Before using information from a Libro verde, it would be wise to check on its reputation for accuracy.

Estimado Señores:

Gracias por todo su ayuda especialmente Armando y Martha quien tomó tiempo a transcribir la dispensa que fue muy útil en esta búsqueda, la filación de este misterio y algunos datos incorrectos fueron corregidos. Me da paz y tranquilidad.

Primeramente Juan González de Hermosillo el moço tuvo dos relaciones primermente con una indígena llamada María Magdalena con quien tuvo a Ana González. Esta es la que confundió Holcombe no era Ana Gonzalez Hermosillo ni Ana González Florida era mestiza esta casó al Diego Sánchez Carranza. Este ya prueba quien casó al Sánchez Carranza y cuáles de las Ana.

En la segunda relación con la española Ana González Florida tuvieron entre otros
María González de Hermosillo quien casó Francisco de Casillas y Cabrera (más información en la dispensa que sigue)

Fue correcto Javier Sánchez, Ana González de Hermosillo o Ana González Florida casó al capitán Joseph González de Ruvalcab hacia 1650.

“Mariana o Ana María (mis achivos la conserva como Mariana para no confundir la con su hermana, utilizo los dos nombres) casó Nicolás Moreno de Ortega según la otra dispensa que proporcionaron que la pone como Gutiérrez de Hermosillo hija de Juan González de Hermosillo y Ana González Florida, no era hija de Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y Catalina Gutiérrez Rubio, como la puso Holcombe.

TEPATITLAN DE MORELOS JALISCO 14 DE MAYO DE 1708 DISPENSA DE SEGUNDO CON TERCER GRADO DE CONSANGUINIDAD,

Martin Casillas vecino de la feligresia de Tepatitlan solicita dispensa por tener 2 hijos con ilicita amistad con Maria Cayetana Gonzalez meztisa vecina de esta feligresia. Declaracion de don Juan de la Mora y Mendoza de 52 anos de edad

. que se hallan por una linea en segundo grado , porque Martin Casillas , es hijo de Lazaro Casillas Hermano de martin Casillas ya difunto. que se dice fue padre de la dicha Cayetana, exconcubinato ilicito, y por la otra linea se hallan en tercer

grado porque Magdalena Carranza, mestiza, madre de la dicha Cayetana , es prima hermana de Lazaro Casillas, Padre del dicho Martin , cuyo parentezco proviene asi mismo exilicito por parte de los progenitores de Magdalena Carranza,

que es hija de Ana Gonzalez , Mestiza difuntay de Diego sanchez Carranza, que asi mismo fue tenido por mestizo, y dicha Ana Gonzalez fue hija de Magdalena Maria o Maria Magdalena india , y de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo difunto, segun

se dice, y por tal fue tenida.

Declaracion de Lucas Romero de Chavez: que Maria Cayetana es mestiza o tresalva, porque Magdalena Carranza su madre, es hija de Ana Gonzalez mestiza y de Diego Sanchez Carranza que fue sepultado y tenido por

mestizo, y la dicha Ana fue hija de Maria Magdalena o Magdalena Maria india difunta, y de Juan Gonzalez Hermosillo Espanol difunto, que la tuvo ilicitamente en la dicha. Y Lazaro Casillas Padre de Martin , es Hermano de

Martin Difunto, que se dice fue padre de Cayetana por cupula ilicita con Magdalena Carranza madre de la dicha Cayetana, y dicha Magdalena es pirma hermana de Martin difunto.

Declaracion de Joseph de Cervantes Espanol de 71 anos de edad:

Maria Cayetana, es pirma hermana de Martin Casillas Pretensos (Novios) por ser este hijo legitimo de Martin Casillas difunto quien dicen fue padre de Maria Cayetana habiendola habido ilicitamente en Magdalena Carranza

Mestiza, y cunada de este declarantey por la linea del parentesco es por ser Lazaro Casillas padre del pretenso primo hermano de Magdalena , por ser esta hija de Ana Gonzalez mestiza, que fue casada con Diego Sanchez

Carranza, que fue tenido por mestizo , y dicha Ana haber sido hermana de Maria de Hermosillo quien fue madre del dicho Lazaro Casillas y que la dicha Ana la hubo por ilicita copula Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo, difunto , abuelo

de los dichos Magdalena y Lazaro en una india llamada Magdalena Maria o Maria Magdalena.

se otorgo la dispensa en la villa de Aguascalientes el 2 de Enero de 1709”

Gracias por todo la ayuda y hemos tenido éxito.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Existen en el archivo parroquial de Lagos de Moreno al menos los siguientes registros en los que aparece esa pareja:

*en 6 agosto (1658) bautice a Fulgencio hijo legitimo de Joseph Gonzalez y Ana Gonzalez su mujer fueron padrinos Nicolas Moreno de Ortega y Mariana de Hermosillo su mujer Br. Alejo de Vidaurre.

*en 31 enero 1661 casé y velé a Gabriel Ortiz español hijo legitimo de Pedro Ortiz y de Ana Ramirez su Mujer ya difunta y a Josepha de Ortega hija legitima de Nicolas de Ortega y de Juana Dominguez su mujer ya difunta vecinos todos de esta villa . Fueron padrinos Nicolas Moreno de Ortega y Mariana de Hermosillo su mujer. Testigos Joseph Lopez de Lara y Alonso Galvan de Rojas.Br Alejo de Vidaurre

*en 1 de noviembre de 1661 Baptise a Josepha española hija legitima de Nicolas Moreno de Ortega y Mariana de hermosillo vecinos de esta villa nacio en su hacienda de Santa Teresa a 22 de septiembre de dho año. Fueron padrinos Joseph Gonzalez de Rubalcava y Mathiana Ortiz Peguero. Br. Bernabe de Issasi.

¿Algun compañero conoce documento donde se pruebe la identidad de los padres de Mariana de Hermosillo? He visto que alguien menciono que fueron Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Ana Gonzalez Florida pero alguien mas que fueron Sebastian Gutierrez de Hermosillo y Maria Galindo o Fernandez Becerra.

¿Alguien puede aclarar esto?

Does anyone know where to get access to the Defunciones records of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico during the years of 1705 - 1709?

My 7th generation great grandfather Antonio Madera had passed away sometime between 1705 - 1709 because I have seen baptismo record where he was a padrino in 1705 which means he was still alive but in 1709 during another document where his daughter Manuela Madera gets married with Xristobal Robles and it mentions that Antonio Madera as defunto.

I want to find his defunto record that should be in Mezquitic around 1705 - 1709. Those years are not online in the familysearch.org website.

Can anyone help? He is the husband of Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735)

Jose Calletano Perez married to Maria Magdalena Chavez his son was Andres perez lived around Teocaltiche in late 1700s his son was Bonifasio perez Lived around "Calvillo" in the early 1800s his son was Mauricio Perez was born at "Arroyo de Soto" and lived in "Calvillo" around the mid 1800s his son Enrique Perez lived in "Terras Blancas" in the late 1800s his son was Albino Perez lived in "Teocaltichillo"in the 1900s

Does anyone know or related to Jose Calletano Perez married to Maria Magdalena Chavez thanks

Juan Arias and Theresia Macias were married in Aguascalientes on Nov. 9, 1678. The marriage record is annotated that they had a dispensation because they were under age; parents names are not given in the record. I have not found their matrimonial investigation, nor their dispensation. The had several children baptized and married in Aguascalientes (at least these: Lorenzo, Getrudes, Maria, Cristobal, Joseph, Manuela, Cayetano, Joseph Antonio, and Juan Antonio).

Does anyone have information on their ancestors?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I have been researching my Sierra family in and around Tenamaxtlan and
Ayutla as well as Autlan de Navarro.

I have Jose Vicente Sierra b1826 marrying Nicolasa Sanchez/s. She
died in 1871, in Autlan.

I also have Jose Maria Benigno Gomez Gomez marrying Victoriana de Jesus
Pelayo Sanchez in 1836 in Ayutla. Her mother was Dioncia Maria Sanchez
Cervantes.

Let me know if any of these folks are in your path. I have the
documents for them.

Maria

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http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/El_Camino_Real_de_Tierra_Adentro/Managemen…

On pg 248 is a picture of old presidio of Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico

I copied and pasted this review. Has anyone read this book?

While the Spanish conquistadors have been stereotyped as rapacious treasure seekers, many firstcomers to the New World realized that its greatest wealth lay in the native populations whose labor could be harnessed to build a new Spain. Hence, the early arrivals in Mexico sought encomiendas—”a grant of the Indians of a prescribed indigenous polity, who were to provide the grantee (the encomendero) tribute in the form of commoditiesand service in return for protection and religious instruction.”

This study profiles the 506 known encomenderos in New Spain (present-day Mexico) during the years 1521-1555, using their life histories to chart the rise, florescence, and decline of the encomienda system. The first part draws general conclusions about the actual workings of the encomienda system. The second part provides concise biographies of the encomenderos themselves.

Table of Contents:

As I like to do, here is the table of contents so that you may get a better idea of what you can expect to find within the pages of this book.

Part One: The Encomenderos as a Group

1. Introduction

2. The Encomenderos’ Backgrounds: Regional Origins, Social Standing, and Experience

3. Cities and Encomendias

4. The Integration of the Encomenderos into Local Society: Patterns of Association through Marriage, Office-holding, and Encomienda Sharing

5. Comparisson and Conclusions

Part Two: The Individual Encomenderos

Introduction

The Biographies

Apendixes

A. Roster of First Conqueror Encomenderos

B. Roster of Conqueror Encomenderos

C. Roster of Poblador Antiguo Encomenderos

D. Roster of Poblador Encomenderos

E. Roster of Indian Encomenderos

F. Citizenship of the Encomenderos

G. Methodology Essay

About the Author:

Robert Himmerich y Valencia is Associate Professor of History at the University of New Mexico, where he also serves as Editor of the New Mexico Historical Review

Where to buy your own copy:
•Amazon.com – New $27.30 and Used starting at $7.11 as of the writing of this article.

while this document isn't related to my family tree since my ancestors did not come from the area mentioned in document i felt like sharing it since it may be useful to others. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18402-74532-0?cc=1874591&wc=…

Hi Everyone.

My name is Mario Gutierrez, and I am interested in researching genealogy information on my paternal side (Gutierrez); as well as looking into leads from my grandmother's (Maria del Refugio Romero born in Sombrerete, Zacatecas) side of the family.

My Grandfather was Jose Genovevo Gutierrez. My family says he was born in Jalostitlan on January 3, 1872. His parents were Albino Gutierrez and Amada Guerrero. From what I have found, I was able to connect an Albino Gutierrez and Amada Guerrero as the indicated parents of Jose Genovevo Gutierrez

I found possible information on my grandfather (Jose Genovevo Gutierrez) being baptized on January 6, 1884 in Jalostotitlan according to FHL Film Number 279275.

Other information that might connect Jose Genovevo Gutierrez with his parents is: a marriage between an Albino Gutierrez and Amada Guerrerro on February 23, 1876 at Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion in Jalostotitlan as per FHL Film Number: 279306. That same film citation places Albino's birth year as 1855.

My grandfather (Jose Genovevo) worked in the railroad in Aguascalientes before immigrating to the United States to work for the Santa Fe railroad. He settled in El Paso, Texas.

If anyone one has any information connecting to my grandfather, I would greatly appreciate it. I will continue searching, and I hope I, too, can help all of you.

--Mario

Thank you all who contributed to the discussion of Juan Gonzales Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales Florida. These gems bring people to life.
However, as I was reading and comparing my notes I discovered that I had falsely combined two persons:
1. Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo, married to Ana Gonzales Florida, and parents of:
Catherine, Leonor, Melchor, Maria, Ana, Theresa, Miguel, and Juan.

2. Juan Sebastian Gonzales de Hermosillo (deceased 24 June, 1699) and married to Leonor Carabajal.

And which Juan is the son of Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo and Maria Beatris Munoz.

I've tried numbering or giving them nicknames, but I still get confused with so many people with the same name. Any ideas for dealing with this would be welcome.

Thank you, Deedra Corona

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18379-54750-66?cc=1874591&wc…

the same one who is a daughter of juan gamboa and leonor ortiz de villalobos and spouse of juan de la torre y valdez.

Hello Everyone,

A reminder that the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society, SoCal Chapter, is holding a meeting this Saturday, July 25th from 11am - 2pm, at the Orange County FamilySearch Library. Bring your laptops, pedigree charts and research documents. This is a great time to share knowledge, records, and assist each other with our research. I look forward to seeing you there!

Location Details:

Orange County FamilySearch Library
674 S. Yorba Street
Orange, CA 92869

www.ocfamilyhistory.org

714-997-7710

Hola a todos:

Primero que nada quiero agradecer a Katy Brecht Quesada por su valioso aporte publicando los índices de dispensas, ordenes y capellanías.

En estos días he estado revisando los documentos de ordenes y capellanías. De estas últimas tenía poco conocimiento, así que leí el artículo realizado por Gisela von Wobeser titulado "LA FUNCIÓN SOCIAL Y ECONÓMICA DE LAS CAPELLANÍAS DE MISAS EN LA NUEVA ESPAÑA EN EL SIGLO XVIII" con lo que logré una mayor compresión de las mismas.
Un dato que me llamó la atención es que el capellán gozaba de un 5% anual del valor de la Capellanía y que muchas veces este dinero lo empleaba para costear sus estudios de sacerdocio, en caso de ser apenas aspirante.

Por lo tanto me gustaría saber si alguno de Ustedes sabe 1) ¿Cuánto dinero costaba en aquel entonces estudiar y recibirse como sacerdote? 2) Si por ejemplo una persona daba cuatro mil pesos en efectivo y el capellán recibía el 5% anual es decir 200 pesos al pasar 20 años y la renta anual finalmente pasaba los cuatro mil pesos donados, la capellanía desaparecía?

Les agradezco de antemano,
Enrique Salvador Agraz V.

Primos,

Apenas empece a revisar los microfilms de ordenes sacerdotales de la Diócesis de Guadalajara, ya digitalizadas. ( ejemplo: family search microfilm # 168682). La colección de muchos microfilms ofrece invaluable información, ya que el aspirante al sacerdocio tenia que hablar de sus padres y sus abuelos (en realidad de su familia en general). Eso me permitió anoche en unir dos ramas de mi árbol. Pero lo importante de esta colección es que me tope que con hay muchas DISPENSAS MATRIMONIALES entremezcladas. Las fechas dentro de los microfilms están totalmente fuera de orden. Por ejemplo microfilm 168681 (catalogo 1662-1692) incluye información de 1648. Ojala que esta información los ayude en sus investigaciones.

Saludos desde Seattle

susana

I compiled a comprehensive list of the indexed films of the Guadalajara marriage dispensations to help track of which films have been indexed. The sources included are the following:

**Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara by Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton (book)

** http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/ by Claudia Casillas

** http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/ by Katy Brecht

There are three files; I created lists by year, source, and FHL film number. The link to the reference folder is the following:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21881

Within each file, I created hyperlinks for each indexed list of names and for each film link at familysearch.org. In the Word document, simply press "CTRL" and click on the link to go to the page.

I couldn't find the link for one particular film, and another film location at Familysearch includes an incorrect film.

Please let me know if there are any errors or questions, and I hope you find this helpful.

Rosalinda

"Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales" my Libary here in TEXAS has a copy but only to use in the Libary. a book like this needs to be looked at slowly carefully for research and have for a couple of days if any one knows how to buy or get a copy that would be great thanks

Is there anyway to view either a digital copy or at least an index with parents names for records in towns such as colotlan, jerez, tepetongo, huejucar, or tlaltnenango. For example, there's record gaps in jerez and tlaltnenago.

In jerez there's no baptism records between 1840-1866,1720 's (-ish)-1745,1785-1796,1801-1805,1816-1818 or 1829-1835, but yet you can find baptism records between mid 1600's-early 1700's, 1746-1749,1755-1758, 1761-1784,1797-1800, 1806-1815,1819-1828, 1836-1840, and 1867-1960. Another example would be how there's no marriage records from 1705-1712 in the tlaltenango matrimonios 1626-1723.

i'd also like to see more marriage records in tepetongo pre-1819(there's only a few select marriage records from 1770's in one of the tepetongo baptism record collection),pre-1720 colotlan marriage records, or pre-1765 baptisms and marriage records in huejucar.

Just to remind you the Colotlan territory they use to follow the name od the day Saint calendar.

http://www.guiainfantil.com/articulos/nombres/cristianos-santos/calenda…

Try finding the Saint of the name of the relative your looking and see the day that may be the day of birth or the baptism day, if you know the year it may help some

Just to remind you the Colotlan territory they use to follow the name od the day Saint calendar.

http://www.guiainfantil.com/articulos/nombres/cristianos-santos/calenda…

Try finding the Saint of the name of the relative your looking and see the day that may be the day of birth or the baptism day, if you know the year it may help some

I have seen many post regarding this family tree. I have 4 family tree branches connect to this family tree. Can we make a shared family tree. POsting all data about this tree.

I am using the familysearch.org family tree. This is my id number Jose Luis Zambrano
LD27-WZP.

If you guys have enter and found the perish records and have id numbers for the marquez family please share them in this forum so that we can join all our family tree using the same id number.

Jesus Marquez
LVQ6-3WR

Josefa Marques
LV7R-59N

Since they have the same parent i want to use the same id number, and since i have seen a lot of people posting linaje to this family i want us to get together and use the same id number so that all our work of finding data can be shared and our work is a join effort.

Please post id numbers or documents links for the perish you have of this person.

Next id i need to make is their father: Does anyone have inputed id numbers for this person?
Eugenio Marquez Enciso 1844 and Ma del Refugio Carlos Guizar 13 Nov 1870.

next parent generation:
Juan Jose Marquez Martinez & Ma Trinidad Enciso Gonzalez (carrizal) (capulin) (hija de Pablo y Josefa)

Next parent generation:
Julian Marquez (de los Olivos) Sanchez (Jan 17 1755 Tlalt.) (oo) & Ma Josefa Dolores Martinez

Next parent generation:
Francisco Xavier Marquez (de los O) Sanchez (oo Feb 22 1751, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Mex. & Ma Narcisa Sanchez Sandoval

Next parent generation:
Phelipe Marquez (de los Olivos) ( +1722) & Francisca Xaviera Sanchez (+1723)

Next parent generation:
Jose Marquez??? (ver image 269 del archivo : Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1803, parte 1)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-56320-83?cc=1874591&wc…

It looks like we are all working in finding more data for this common ancestor. Please email me so we can get all the data in family search as a join effort.

itzcoatzin gmail.com

I have attached to this post my family tree they are all from Colotlan , Jalisco, Mexico.

Hello primos/primas:

Where would someone be baptized if born in San Nicolas de los Garza,
Nuevo Leon, Mexico. I am looking for Martiate Garza (approx. 1850)

Thank you,

Olga