Nuestros Ranchos Site

Cindy, my family ancestors are from Jalos, Jalisco. My great grandfather was Jose Sotero Gutierrez Perez he owned el rancho de LA Escondida between Jalos and San Miguel El Alto he was married to Maria Jesus Romo. The De la Torre comes from my grandfather Merced de la Torre from Santana in the same general area.
----- Original Message -----
From: cindy gutierrez
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Cindy Gutierrez de la Torre

I don't know, I just spent time with my Tia Esperanza and some of my cousins in Dixon the other day. She still lives in the small town they are from in Acatic. My Tia Maria and her husband live there part time also. Most of my cousins live here now. I have a cousin in Sacramento, Tula, and her sister Lisa lives in San Antonio Tx. I have no idea what their last names are now. I also have a Tia Irma still living in Acatic. My father is Antonio DeLaTorre Gutierrez, I have 2 Uncles still living one in California and one is in Texas right now. Where are your's from.
CIndy

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From: Miggy GUTIERREZ >
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:59:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Cindy Gutierrez de la Torre

Cindy, I am also Gutierrez de la Torre, my family is from Jalos. I'm interested if we have common ancestors

----- Original Message -----
From: cindy gutierrez>>
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FREE HERALDRY BOOK

Hi,
Put me down for 249 if no one has that one yet...I would love to have it, I have my maternal side decending from England on both her father and mothers side...My dads Gutierrez/DeLaTorre's from Jalisco I am having to success in...

Cindy Gutierrez

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From: Linda >>>
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:57:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FREE HERALDRY BOOK

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your kind offer. The book looks interesting to those
of us who not only descend from Spain, but from England and France
and other countries, too. If anything will bring us out of the
woodwork, it is something useful for free. Please put me down for
number 361.

Have a great holiday. You're certainly in the spirit already.

Linda Romero

> From: Joseph Puentes >>>
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book
>
> Hi,
>
> I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
> Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not
> really
> into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
> member.
>
> If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in
> this
> book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the
> closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was
> somewhere in
> the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.
>
> here are those scans:
>
> http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg>>
> http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg>>
>
>

My number is the 223.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Realiza búsquedas en Internet y llévate hasta ¡Un Auto!
http://www.ganabuscando.com/Default.aspx

My number: 246

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:24:01 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Hearaldry Book: Friday the 19th

I just wanted all to know that this coming friday at 12 noon Eastern
time will be the deadline to get your guesses in if you are interested
in that Free Hearldry Book I'm giving away. Send me your guess between
1-500 (hint it is in the middle somewhere).

(El ultimo dia para el libro de Heraldry es viernes a las doce de tiempo
Eastern Time. Mandame su numero en medio de los numeros 1 y 500.)

In the event of a tie I'll contact the two or more individuals and have
a each go to a sudden death playoff round.

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

225
tiodann> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:24:01 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Hearaldry Book: Friday the 19th> > > I just wanted all to know that this coming friday at 12 noon Eastern > time will be the deadline to get your guesses in if you are interested > in that Free Hearldry Book I'm giving away. Send me your guess between > 1-500 (hint it is in the middle somewhere).> > (El ultimo dia para el libro de Heraldry es viernes a las doce de tiempo > Eastern Time. Mandame su numero en medio de los numeros 1 y 500.)> > In the event of a tie I'll contact the two or more individuals and have > a each go to a sudden death playoff round.> > joseph> > =====================> > Joseph Puentes> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes > Genealogy)> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Joseph,
My Guess is 250. It's right in the middle.
Thanks,
Erica

________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:24:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Hearaldry Book: Friday the 19th

I just wanted all to know that this coming friday at 12 noon Eastern time will be the deadline to get your guesses in if you are interested in that Free Hearldry Book I'm giving away.  Send me your guess between 1-500 (hint it is in the middle somewhere).

(El ultimo dia para el libro de Heraldry es viernes a las doce de tiempo Eastern Time.  Mandame su numero en medio de los numeros 1 y 500.)

In the event of a tie I'll contact the two or more individuals and have a each go to a sudden death playoff round.

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

Joseph,
In the spirit of research, my guess is 253.
Eloise Gomez Reyes

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 2:24 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Hearaldry Book: Friday the 19th

I just wanted all to know that this coming friday at 12 noon Eastern
time will be the deadline to get your guesses in if you are interested
in that Free Hearldry Book I'm giving away. Send me your guess between
1-500 (hint it is in the middle somewhere). 
 
(El ultimo dia para el libro de Heraldry es viernes a las doce de
tiempo Eastern Time. Mandame su numero en medio de los numeros 1 y
500.) 
 
In the event of a tie I'll contact the two or more individuals and have
a each go to a sudden death playoff round. 
 
joseph 
 
===================== 
 
Joseph Puentes 
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast) 
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast) 
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above) 
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast) 
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast) 
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy) 
 
 

My is 250! Thank You, Pilar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Hearaldry Book: Friday the 19th

>
> I just wanted all to know that this coming friday at 12 noon Eastern
> time will be the deadline to get your guesses in if you are interested
> in that Free Hearldry Book I'm giving away. Send me your guess between
> 1-500 (hint it is in the middle somewhere).
>
> (El ultimo dia para el libro de Heraldry es viernes a las doce de tiempo
> Eastern Time. Mandame su numero en medio de los numeros 1 y 500.)
>
> In the event of a tie I'll contact the two or more individuals and have
> a each go to a sudden death playoff round.
>
> joseph
>
> =====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
>

thanks Joseph
223-

Yolanda Guerra

--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Joseph Puentes wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Hearaldry Book: Friday the 19th
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 3:24 PM

I just wanted all to know that this coming friday at 12 noon Eastern time will
be the deadline to get your guesses in if you are interested in that Free
Hearldry Book I'm giving away. Send me your guess between 1-500 (hint it is
in the middle somewhere).

(El ultimo dia para el libro de Heraldry es viernes a las doce de tiempo
Eastern Time. Mandame su numero en medio de los numeros 1 y 500.)

In the event of a tie I'll contact the two or more individuals and have a
each go to a sudden death playoff round.

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

Joseph,
Thank you for being such an inspiration in all of our lives. I promise to
contribute to your beautiful dream. I discovered that it is in the darkest
times of our lives that we find the greatest gifts.

I've started to collect photographs and stories of those family members who
are still here with us. I've recruited various family members to assist me
and have inspired many of them to look for historical treasures that been
placed in storage.

Rosa

p.s.
I would love to collaborate with NuestrosRanchos members who have roots in
the Jalostotitlan, Jalisco region. Please let me know if you are interested
and how we can contribute as a team to Joseph's dream. Thanks so much.

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:06 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] My Dream/Mi Sueño

Hello,

Back in 2002 my wife, Figen and I were involved in a serious car
accident in which a drunk driver crashed into us. We survived but I was
out of work for about 6 months and during that time I googled "Puentes"
and found a message from someone looking for information about my father
and uncles. It turned out to be a cousin who was doing genealogy and
that started me on this trip of doing my families genealogical research.
I knew that I didn't know anything about genealogy and even less on how
to do Mexican Genealogy so I decided to surround myself with others that
were doing research in my geographical area: Jalisco and Zacatecas. So
in 2002 I started the Yahoo group: Ranchos which was only for Jalisco
and Zacatecas but later Aguascalientes was added. With the help of many
volunteers the group has become what it is today but the groups
existence would probably be in doubt if it hadn't been for the
tremendous amount of work that Arturo Ramos has put in by building and
maintaining our beautiful website. If anyone in the group should be
remembered with an overnight express package of frozen tamales or
something it should be Arturo. Thank you Arturo.

[Detrás en 2002 mi esposa, Figen y yo estuvieron implicados en un
accidente de tráfico serio en el cual un conductor borracho se estrelló
en nosotros. Sobrevivimos pero estaba sin trabajo por cerca de 6 meses y
durante ese tiempo googled el " Puentes" y encontrado un mensaje alguien
que busca la información sobre mi padre y tíos. Resultó ser un primo que
hacía la genealogía y ésa me comenzó en este viaje de hacer mi
investigación genealógica de las familias. Sabía que no sabia cualquier
cosa sobre la genealogía e incluso menos en cómo hacer la genealogía
mexicana así que decidía rodearme con otros que hacían la investigación
en mi área geográfica: Jalisco y Zacatecas. Tan en 2002 comencé el grupo
de Yahoo: Los ranchos que estaba solamente para Jalisco y Zacatecas pero
Aguascalientes posterior fueron agregados. Con la ayuda de muchos
voluntarios el grupo se ha convertido en cuáles es hoy pero la
existencia de los grupos sería probablemente en duda si él estado para
la cantidad enorme de trabajo que Arturo Ramos ha introducido
construyendo y manteniendo nuestro Web site hermoso. Si cualquier
persona en el grupo se recuerda con un paquete expreso de noche de
tamales congelados o algo debe ser Arturo. Gracias Arturo.]

Anyway back to my dream. Yes I started the group as a selfish desire but
knew that it would also be a place where those that knew even less than
I could be helped as well. I'm happy, very happy that over the years
many members have been able to advance their genealogies with help of
the members of the group. Well this is where I want to make my point.
Right now there are well over 300 members of the group but there is only
a core group of 30-50 that are consistently active in the discussion
groups. My communication is mainly directed to the rest of the group
that is not active. I know very well that many of you have gained
benefit from members of this group but have we received anything from
you? You would know the answer to this question. I personally am maxed
out and don't see myself getting more active in the group than trying to
keep things balanced behind the scenes and making sure things stay
within the norms established. But for those that have received much from
the group but given little I'm making a request of you.

[De todas formas de nuevo a mi sueño. Comencé al grupo como deseo
egoísta pero sabía sí que también sería un lugar en donde los que sabían
incluso menos que yo se podrían ayudar también. Estoy feliz, muy feliz
que durante los años muchos miembros han podido avanzar sus genealogías
con la ayuda de los miembros del grupo. Mana esto es donde quiero hacer
mi punto. Ahora hay bien sobre 300 miembros del grupo pero hay solamente
un grupo central de 30-50 que sean constantemente activos en los grupos
de discusión. Mi comunicación se dirige principalmente al resto del
grupo que no es activo. ¿Sé muy bien que muchos de usted han ganado la
ventaja de miembros de este grupo pero nos tengo recibí cualquier cosa
de usted? Usted sabría la respuesta a esta pregunta. Soy así que ocupado
no me veo el conseguir más activo en el grupo con excepción de cuáles
soy ya en el grupo que el intentar mantener cosas balanceadas detrás de
las escenas y cerciorarse de cosas permanecen dentro de las normas
establecidas. Pero para los que han recibido mucho del grupo pero han
dado poco estoy haciendo una petición de usted.]

I would propose that 2009 be the year of instruction. A year where the
many teach the many rather than the what is currently happening and the
few teach the many. There are hundreds of things that can be taught. I
would ask that you "donate" 20 hours in 2009 and come up with a Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes genealogy/history/cultural lesson to
teach the group. Every one of us is intelligent enough to put your mind
to work and do some research on something related to our area of
research and share it with your fellow group members. It can be a
history lesson. Tell us about the history of the rancho your GGG
grandparents were born in. Tell us the history of a favorite recipe that
comes from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Someone do a Power
Point on how to do a place search, a film search, a batch search, a
request for a photocopy service from Salt Lake, etc., etc., etc. Someone
go to http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html and pick two
or three of your surnames and contact the libraries that own these
volumes and have the 10-20 pages on your surnames sent to you. Take that
information and have it translated into English and share it with the
group. There are so many things that can be done.

[Propondría que 2009 sean el año de instrucción. Un año donde los muchos
enseñan al muchos algo que el qué está sucediendo actualmente y pocos
enseña al muchos. Hay centenares de cosas que puedan ser enseñadas.
Preguntaría que usted "done" 20 horas en 2009 y subidas con una
genealogía de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes historia/la
lección cultural para enseñar al grupo. Todos de nosotros es bastante
inteligente poner su mente para trabajar y para hacer una cierta
investigación sobre algo relacionado con nuestro campo de investigación
y para compartirla con sus miembros compañeros del grupo. Puede ser una
lección histórica. Díganos sobre la historia del rancho que sus abuelos
de GGG nacieron adentro. Díganos la historia de una receta preferida que
venga de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes. Alguien hace un
Power Point en cómo hacer una búsqueda del lugar, una búsqueda de la
filme, una búsqueda de la batch, un pedido un servicio de la fotocopia
de Salt Lake, el etc., el etc., el etc. Alguien va a
http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html y escoge dos o tres
de sus apellidos y entra en contacto con las bibliotecas que poseen
estos volúmenes y tienen las 10-20 páginas en sus apellidos enviados a
usted. Tome esa información y téngala traducida a inglés y compártala
con el grupo. Hay tan muchas cosas que pueden ser hechas.]

If the members of the group that are not active don't invest in the
group I'm concerned that time will find the group dissolving. Let's
start investing and making the group stronger. My wish is that 2012,
when the Maya Calendar ends, will find the nuestrosranchos.org group
still going strong.

[Si los miembros del grupo que no son activos no invierten en el grupo
que me refiero que el tiempo encontrará al grupo el disolver. Comencemos
a invertir y a hacer al grupo más fuerte. Mi deseo es que 2012 en que
los extremos del calendario del Maya encontrarán al grupo de
nuestrosranchos.org todavía muy fuerte.]

My aplogies for the Babel Fish translation: http://babelfish.yahoo.com

[mis apologías por la traducción del Babel Fish: http://babelfish.yahoo.com]

joseph

ps: make sure if the lessons are not directly genealogy related to
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes that you post them on the
general@nuestrosranchos.org discussion list.

pd: cerciórese de si las lecciones no son directamente genealogía
relacionada con Jalisco, Zacatecas, y/o Aguascalientes que usted las
fija en la lista de discusión de general@nuestrosranchos.org.

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Greetings to all: In keeping with the spirit of sharing, I submit the following beautiful love story. This legend is special to me because my grandmother was born and raised in Zacatecas, Zac. Her first child was also born in Zacatecas and he was living at Callejon del Indio Triste No 59 when his own son was born. For those who can read Spanish, enjoy.

Callejón del Indio Triste (Leyenda Zacatecana)

Callejón del Indio Triste
Era el año de 1548. Veinte meses hacía que estas tierras estaban bajo el dominio español. El pueblo de Tlacuitlapán, todo desolación, porque su Señor y Caudillo, el valiente Tlácuitl, se encontraba moribundo en su prisión. Su hija, la hermosa Xúchitl, la última princesa chichimeca, se hallaba a su lado llorando amargamente y unos cuantos servidores le acompañaban.
De pronto, un destello de esperanza iluminó los empañados ojos del agonizante: era el Señor del Pánuco, su gran amigo y aliado, Xólotl, el valiente, burlando la vigilancia a los carceleros, acababa de llegar. Haciendo un penoso esfuerzo, el moribundo, le hizo una seña de que se acercara hasta su lecho y tomándolo lo unió a la mano desamparada de Xúchitl; y como si nada más esto esperara, cerró para siempre sus ojos, dejando a su pueblo a merced del vencedor y a su hija bajo el amparo de su proscrito.
Cuando Xúchitl comprendió que su padre había muerto, deshaciéndose de la mano de su prometido, se arrojó sobre el cadáver, pidiendo que le llevara consigo. Después de los funerales del último Señor de Tlacuitlapán, quedaron en libertad sus servidores y Xúchitl se fue a vivir con ellos. Xolótl también quedó libre y en vano rogaba a Xúchitl que se casara con él, en cumplimiento de la voluntad de su padre; ella le contestaba que su pesar era tan grande que no quería saber nada de amores. Pero la verdad era que la ironía del destino, Xúchitl se había enamorado del Capitán D. Gonzalo de Tolosa, sobrino del conquistador Don Juan de Tolosa.
Lo había conocido en la prisión y a su poderosa influencia debía que ni su padre, ni ella, ni ninguno de sus servidores fueran maltratados; su padre fue debidamente atendido durante su enfermedad y sus funerales fueron dignos de su rango; por eso lo amaba con todas sus fuerzas de alma virgen.
El también la quería y sólo esperaba, para hacerla su esposa, que dejara la religión de sus mayores y se hiciera cristiana. Fray Diego de la Veracruz, había emprendido la catequización de la princesa que avasallada por el amor de D. Gonzalo se rendía sumisa a todas las exigencias de éste. Un día supo Xólotl que su adorada Xúchitl se casaba con el Capitán después de abjurar sus religiones y recibir el bautismo con el nombre de María Isabel. La desesperación del indio no tuvo límites; impotente para vengarse de un enemigo tan poderoso que todo lo arrebataba de una vez: sus dominios, sus riquezas, el amor de la que iba a ser su esposa y hasta la fe en sus dioses.
Desde entonces, entre las ruinas de un templo que había por el antiguo reino de Tlacuitlapán, se veía un indio triste y demacrado, mal cubierto con un manto de lana, contemplando el camino que llevaba a la Capilla de Mexicapán, levantada por los españoles para culto de la Virgen de los Remedios. Después de que se perdía esta comitiva, se echaba a llorar el indio y se escondía entre las ruinas, donde tenía su morada. Un día no se le vio más, lo buscaron y lo encontraron muerto y con asombro reconocieron al que fuera soberbio y valiente Xólotl y entre sus dedos encontraron una flor, símbolo de su amor por Xúchitl que significaba flor. Tiempo después abrieron un callejón en el sitio que ocupan las ruinas de aquel templo, el vulgo lo llamó “Callejón del Indio Triste”

Fuente: www.turismozacatecas.gob.mx

Mi Sueño (Traducido de vuelta por Jaime Alvarado)
Hola,

En 2002 mi esposa Figen y yo sufrimos un accidente automobilístico muy serio causado por un conductor borracho que se estrelló contra nosotros. Sobrevivimos pero no pude trabajar por cerca de 6 meses y durante ese tiempo busqué en Google el apellido " Puentes" y encontré un mensaje de alguien que buscaba información sobre mi padre y tíos. Resultó ser un primo que hacía genealogía y así se inició este viaje de investigación genealógica de mis familias. Sabía que no sabia nada sobre genealogía y mucho menos de cómo hacer genealogía mexicana por lo que decidí rodearme de otros que hacían investigación en mi área geográfica: Jalisco y Zacatecas. Fue así como en 2002 comencé el grupo de Yahoo: Los Ranchos enfocado a Jalisco y Zacatecas, pero Aguascalientes fue agregado posteriormente. Con la ayuda de muchos voluntarios el grupo se convirtio en lo que es hoy, pero la existencia del grupo quizá no fuera posible sin la gran cantidad de trabajo que Arturo Ramos ha invertido construyendo y manteniendo nuestro hermoso portal. Si alguien en el grupo merece unos tamales congelados enviados por mensajeria inmediata es sin duda
Arturo. Gracias Arturo.

De vuelta a mi sueño. Comencé el grupo como un deseo egoísta pero sabía también que sería un sitio donde los que sabían aun menos que yo podrían encontrar ayuda. Estoy feliz, muy feliz que a través de los años muchos miembros han podido avanzar sus genealogías con la ayuda de los miembros del grupo. Es aquí donde quiero hacer mi punto. Existen ahora mas de 300 miembros en el grupo pero solo entre 30 y 50 participan de constantement en los grupos de discusión. Mi comunicado
se dirige principalmente a esta parte inactiva grupo. Sé bien que muchos de ustedes se han beneficiado de la contribuciones de otros miembros, pero ¿han dado algo de vuelta? Solo tu conoces la respuesta a esta pregunta. Yo estoy ocupado al máximo y no veo como poder ser más activo en el grupo con la excepción de intentar mantener un balance detrás de las escena y cerciorarme que todo se mantenga dentro de las normas establecidas. A todos los que han recibido mucho del grupo pero han dado poco les hago la siguiente petición.

Propongo que el 2009 sea el año de instrucción. Un año donde los muchos enseñan en vez de lo qué está sucediendo actualmente donde pocos enseñan a muchos. Hay centenares de cosas que puedan ser enseñadas. Les pediría a cada uno que "done" unas 20 horas en 2009 dedicadas a crear una genealogía/historia/lección cultural de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes para todo el grupo. Todos nosotros somos lo bastante inteligentes poner nuestras mentes a trabajar y realizar una investigación sobre algo relacionado con nuestro campo de investigación y asi compartirla con otros compañeros del grupo. Puede ser una lección histórica. Platicanos la historia del rancho donde tus abuelos, bisabuelos y tatarabuelos nacieron. Platicanos la historia de una receta preferida que venga de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes. Alguien quiza haga una
presentacion en Power Point de cómo localizar un lugar, como buscar un filme, una búsqueda de 'batch', un pedido un servicio de la fotocopia de Salt Lake, el etc., el etc., el etc. Alguien puede ir a
http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html y escoge dos o tres de sus apellidos y entra en contacto con las bibliotecas que poseen estos volúmenes y solicita que las 10-20 páginas conteniendo sus apellidos le sean enviados. Tome esa información y traduscala al inglés y compártala con el grupo. Hay tantas cosas que se pueden hacer.

Si los miembros del grupo no activos no empiezan a participar mas tengo el temor que con el tiempo el grupo se disuelva. Comencemos a invertir y a hacer al grupo más fuerte. Mi deseo es que para 2012, cuando el calendario Maya llegue a su fin, el grupo de nuestrosranchos.org todavía este bien fuerte.

joseph

ps: make sure if the lessons are not directly genealogy related to
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes that you post them on the
general@nuestrosranchos.org discussion list.

pd: cerciórese que si las lecciones no tratan directamente con genealogía relacionada con Jalisco, Zacatecas, y/o Aguascalientes que los suba a la lista de discusión:general@nuestrosranchos.org.

Jaime R. Alvarado

Dear Joseph, is a pleasure to see the way that the great things happen.

I am very happy to stay in the group, and I like your idea.
I understand the priority of the Zacatecas, Jalisco and Aguascalientes
information, but if you thing could be interesting for you, I offer to share
information from San Luis Potosi, I have found that a lot of families from
"Los Altos de Jalisco" in the ends of XIX and beginnings of the XX century,
move to San Luis Potosi. I Have 6 from my Ggrandparents of 8, that are from
La Chona, San Juan de Los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno (Villalobos, Quesada,
Perez, De Alba, Lomelín, Ortiz).and the other two, have relation with
Zacatecas (Sanchez and Gordoa)

If you need other kind of help please let me know.
Best Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph
Puentes
Enviado el: Domingo, 07 de Diciembre de 2008 05:06 p.m.
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] My Dream/Mi Sueño

Hello,

Back in 2002 my wife, Figen and I were involved in a serious car
accident in which a drunk driver crashed into us. We survived but I was
out of work for about 6 months and during that time I googled "Puentes"
and found a message from someone looking for information about my father
and uncles. It turned out to be a cousin who was doing genealogy and
that started me on this trip of doing my families genealogical research.
I knew that I didn't know anything about genealogy and even less on how
to do Mexican Genealogy so I decided to surround myself with others that
were doing research in my geographical area: Jalisco and Zacatecas. So
in 2002 I started the Yahoo group: Ranchos which was only for Jalisco
and Zacatecas but later Aguascalientes was added. With the help of many
volunteers the group has become what it is today but the groups
existence would probably be in doubt if it hadn't been for the
tremendous amount of work that Arturo Ramos has put in by building and
maintaining our beautiful website. If anyone in the group should be
remembered with an overnight express package of frozen tamales or
something it should be Arturo. Thank you Arturo.

[Detrás en 2002 mi esposa, Figen y yo estuvieron implicados en un
accidente de tráfico serio en el cual un conductor borracho se estrelló
en nosotros. Sobrevivimos pero estaba sin trabajo por cerca de 6 meses y
durante ese tiempo googled el " Puentes" y encontrado un mensaje alguien
que busca la información sobre mi padre y tíos. Resultó ser un primo que
hacía la genealogía y ésa me comenzó en este viaje de hacer mi
investigación genealógica de las familias. Sabía que no sabia cualquier
cosa sobre la genealogía e incluso menos en cómo hacer la genealogía
mexicana así que decidía rodearme con otros que hacían la investigación
en mi área geográfica: Jalisco y Zacatecas. Tan en 2002 comencé el grupo
de Yahoo: Los ranchos que estaba solamente para Jalisco y Zacatecas pero
Aguascalientes posterior fueron agregados. Con la ayuda de muchos
voluntarios el grupo se ha convertido en cuáles es hoy pero la
existencia de los grupos sería probablemente en duda si él estado para
la cantidad enorme de trabajo que Arturo Ramos ha introducido
construyendo y manteniendo nuestro Web site hermoso. Si cualquier
persona en el grupo se recuerda con un paquete expreso de noche de
tamales congelados o algo debe ser Arturo. Gracias Arturo.]

Anyway back to my dream. Yes I started the group as a selfish desire but
knew that it would also be a place where those that knew even less than
I could be helped as well. I'm happy, very happy that over the years
many members have been able to advance their genealogies with help of
the members of the group. Well this is where I want to make my point.
Right now there are well over 300 members of the group but there is only
a core group of 30-50 that are consistently active in the discussion
groups. My communication is mainly directed to the rest of the group
that is not active. I know very well that many of you have gained
benefit from members of this group but have we received anything from
you? You would know the answer to this question. I personally am maxed
out and don't see myself getting more active in the group than trying to
keep things balanced behind the scenes and making sure things stay
within the norms established. But for those that have received much from
the group but given little I'm making a request of you.

[De todas formas de nuevo a mi sueño. Comencé al grupo como deseo
egoísta pero sabía sí que también sería un lugar en donde los que sabían
incluso menos que yo se podrían ayudar también. Estoy feliz, muy feliz
que durante los años muchos miembros han podido avanzar sus genealogías
con la ayuda de los miembros del grupo. Mana esto es donde quiero hacer
mi punto. Ahora hay bien sobre 300 miembros del grupo pero hay solamente
un grupo central de 30-50 que sean constantemente activos en los grupos
de discusión. Mi comunicación se dirige principalmente al resto del
grupo que no es activo. ¿Sé muy bien que muchos de usted han ganado la
ventaja de miembros de este grupo pero nos tengo recibí cualquier cosa
de usted? Usted sabría la respuesta a esta pregunta. Soy así que ocupado
no me veo el conseguir más activo en el grupo con excepción de cuáles
soy ya en el grupo que el intentar mantener cosas balanceadas detrás de
las escenas y cerciorarse de cosas permanecen dentro de las normas
establecidas. Pero para los que han recibido mucho del grupo pero han
dado poco estoy haciendo una petición de usted.]

I would propose that 2009 be the year of instruction. A year where the
many teach the many rather than the what is currently happening and the
few teach the many. There are hundreds of things that can be taught. I
would ask that you "donate" 20 hours in 2009 and come up with a Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes genealogy/history/cultural lesson to
teach the group. Every one of us is intelligent enough to put your mind
to work and do some research on something related to our area of
research and share it with your fellow group members. It can be a
history lesson. Tell us about the history of the rancho your GGG
grandparents were born in. Tell us the history of a favorite recipe that
comes from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Someone do a Power
Point on how to do a place search, a film search, a batch search, a
request for a photocopy service from Salt Lake, etc., etc., etc. Someone
go to http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html and pick two
or three of your surnames and contact the libraries that own these
volumes and have the 10-20 pages on your surnames sent to you. Take that
information and have it translated into English and share it with the
group. There are so many things that can be done.

[Propondría que 2009 sean el año de instrucción. Un año donde los muchos
enseñan al muchos algo que el qué está sucediendo actualmente y pocos
enseña al muchos. Hay centenares de cosas que puedan ser enseñadas.
Preguntaría que usted "done" 20 horas en 2009 y subidas con una
genealogía de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes historia/la
lección cultural para enseñar al grupo. Todos de nosotros es bastante
inteligente poner su mente para trabajar y para hacer una cierta
investigación sobre algo relacionado con nuestro campo de investigación
y para compartirla con sus miembros compañeros del grupo. Puede ser una
lección histórica. Díganos sobre la historia del rancho que sus abuelos
de GGG nacieron adentro. Díganos la historia de una receta preferida que
venga de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes. Alguien hace un
Power Point en cómo hacer una búsqueda del lugar, una búsqueda de la
filme, una búsqueda de la batch, un pedido un servicio de la fotocopia
de Salt Lake, el etc., el etc., el etc. Alguien va a
http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html y escoge dos o tres
de sus apellidos y entra en contacto con las bibliotecas que poseen
estos volúmenes y tienen las 10-20 páginas en sus apellidos enviados a
usted. Tome esa información y téngala traducida a inglés y compártala
con el grupo. Hay tan muchas cosas que pueden ser hechas.]

If the members of the group that are not active don't invest in the
group I'm concerned that time will find the group dissolving. Let's
start investing and making the group stronger. My wish is that 2012,
when the Maya Calendar ends, will find the nuestrosranchos.org group
still going strong.

[Si los miembros del grupo que no son activos no invierten en el grupo
que me refiero que el tiempo encontrará al grupo el disolver. Comencemos
a invertir y a hacer al grupo más fuerte. Mi deseo es que 2012 en que
los extremos del calendario del Maya encontrarán al grupo de
nuestrosranchos.org todavía muy fuerte.]

My aplogies for the Babel Fish translation: http://babelfish.yahoo.com

[mis apologías por la traducción del Babel Fish: http://babelfish.yahoo.com]

joseph

ps: make sure if the lessons are not directly genealogy related to
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes that you post them on the
general@nuestrosranchos.org discussion list.

pd: cerciórese de si las lecciones no son directamente genealogía
relacionada con Jalisco, Zacatecas, y/o Aguascalientes que usted las
fija en la lista de discusión de general@nuestrosranchos.org.

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Thank you, Joseph and Arturo for all of your hard work on this site. It is "home" or a "road that leads to home" for many of us and I, for one, appreciate all that you have done here.

I welcome the opportunity to create something for the group, and will do my part to share some information relating to the history of Zacatecas.

In the last few months, I have invested in growing my library and hope that very soon I can share some of the historical data and information that is contained in these precious volumes of work. Most of them are works created for university-level studies, but have many gems of knowledge, and especially names of people who established haciendas and ranchos--not normally found in general history books.

Look for my post soon. A special thanks goes to all of those members who selflessly share their information, and take the time to send emails, PMs, and in my case - I have been fortunate to have a couple of members send me scans of records. GRACIAS.

Have a beautiful, peaceful and joyful holiday season.

-Claudia Reynoso

Claudia, you do not assume until you see a birth, or marriage certificate with the name and only then can you add the same composed last name to the siblings or decendents or the following ancestors.

----- Original Message -----
From: Claudia_Reynoso
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:02 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.)

Dumb question...

How do we know whether certain Gonzalez families are "Hermosillo or "Rubalcaba, or...?"
Is there a way to figure this out if a record does not specify? Are certain towns/villas presumed to be Gonzalez de xxx???

Please respond if you have researched this. I'm trying to decipher my Gonzalez from Yahualica. Thanks.
thanks.

Valeria,
One of my ancestors is called Eulogio, born before 1915 in the state of Zacatecas. Do you have more names? Thank you
Gabriela
> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:45:32 -0800> From: valdperin@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Olague Family> > > Andrea Lopez married Euloqia Olague died abt 1 Jun 1918> Children:> Filiberto Olague brn abt 22 Aug 1893 died abt 8 Nov 1918 married Mauricia Flores abt> 4 Feb 1918> Francisca Olague married Louis Villegas, Jr abt 30 Jan 1911> Leonare Olague born abt 2 Nov 1900 in Guadalupe de las Corrientes, Zacatecas, Mexico married Pete (Paz) Garcia abt 1915> Children> Carmen Garcia> Aurora Garcia> Francisco (Frank ) Garcia born 14 April 1920 El Rio, CA Died 23 July 2006 Oxnard. CA married Melvia Stafford in Tijuana, Mexico, abt 9 Jan 1946> Child:> Valeria Garcia Perin born 6 Nov 1946> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi there Emilie ,

That´s a neat site . Ok , here goes . First off I didn´t say that the Ruta de Plata went through Nuevo Leon and as the wonderful site that you looked up shows , it runs´up the middle of the country toward New Mexico .

Our ancestors were men and women of adventure and fortune seekers ( God bless there little souls ) and they used the Ruta de Plata as a guide and went off in different directions in pursuit of thier dreams .

The state of Nuevo Leon borders around San Luis Potosi , Coahuila and Zacatecas . I´m guessing that wherever they saw mountains they went to see if they could find minerals to mine , that´s all I was saying . A lot of the fouonders of Coahuila and Nuevo Leon came from Zacatecas .

The three states are relatively close to Coahuila, Tamaulipas , San Luis Potosi and Nuveo Leon which seems to me that there is more than a possibility that some of the people from the tri states may have wondered off toward one or more of those other states .

Here´s a tid bit of information : Three brothers from Teocaltiche the Carrillos y Sandi came to Saltillo during the second half of the 17th century shortly there after came Alteno Francisco Gonzalez Hermosillo originally from Santa Maria de los Lagos .

Hope this helps some ,

Welester

> Lester,> > I am confused. I found this website about several "Ruta de Plata"s in Europe and the New World. It has a map of the Mexican Ruta de Plata that goes from Mexico City northward to Santa Fe, and branches from Mexico City to the ports at Acapulco and Vera Cruz. It doesn't show the Ruta going to Nuevo Leon, only through the states of Guanajuato, Queretaro, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, Durango, Chihuahua, and ending in Santa Fe in New Mexico. The text only mentions mines and cities along the route through those states.> > Was this route also known as the Camino Real? I know there are several Camino Reals. There was one in California where I once lived, I recall.> > This site also has some photos, and the one that caught my attention was the one labeled "Zacatecas". It was taken in the late 1800s and shows a dead horse and armed soldiers sitting along the wall of a building. It doesn't' have an explanation or description of the photo, such as where and when it was taken. Interesting.> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA>
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Francisco,
Gracias por su mensaje maravilloso, en este día tan especial.
desde San Jose, California

--- On Fri, 12/12/08, francisco sevilla wrote:

From: francisco sevilla
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIA DE LA VIRGEN DE GUADALUPE
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 3:05 PM

Hola a todos los miembros:
Un caluroso saludo y un abrazo para todos y deseandoles un bonito Dia de La
Virgen de Guadalupe, no importa la religion que ustedes profecen.
Francisco Sevilla

Claudia, can you let me know where can I find this file that you posted about the miners in Zacatecas?
Thank you,
Pilar

Claudia, can you let me know where can I find this file that you posted about the miners in Zacatecas?
Thank you,
Pilar

Thank you for this file, Prima! It actually has proven helpful for my own search because it confirms there was indeed a Hacienda San Jose in the region(which I was having difficulty confirming). I'm going to commence research on the 2 listed owners and see where that takes me in my search for Aurelio Rivas.

Are there any other things like this that you've found? Perhaps administrators of the haciendas or something like that?

Marge,
Thank you for assisting all of us!
Rosa

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Moderator Announcement

I am announcing that Marge Vallazza from our group is assisting me in a
small capacity to edit our files. She may need to contact some of you
offline in order to verify locations or surnames. Please give her the
same courtesy and cooperation that you have given our other moderators.

thanks,

joseph

=====================

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http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Joseph,
I would like to upload my research but do not know how. I have it all
on Family Tree. Perhaps Marge can walk me through. I'd like to
contribute and perhaps find more primos and primas.
Eloise Reyes

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 3:08 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Moderator Announcement

I am announcing that Marge Vallazza from our group is assisting me in a
small capacity to edit our files. She may need to contact some of you
offline in order to verify locations or surnames. Please give her the
same courtesy and cooperation that you have given our other moderators. 
 
thanks, 
 
joseph 
 
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http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy) 
 

Alicia,

Last year I went for 5 days and I thought it was going to be enough time but
now I don't think I can get everything done in 5 days since the number of
records that I now need has duplicated. This is the only reason I plan on
spending two weeks there. Time flies when you're at the research center. Let
me know when you plan to go, it would be nice to meet up there. Please send
replies to rickrod.com@gmail.com Thanks!

Saludos,

Rick

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: martes, 09 de diciembre de 2008 10:45 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Rick, I'm jealous already, how nice to be able to spend a couple of weeks
doing research.

I will have the luxury of a few days only and most likely it will not be at
Easter time but maybe the three of us can meet up. I can try to schedule my
visit on the days that you and Maureen would be there next year. I hope it
works out.

Saludos,
Alicia, San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 10:15:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Dear Alicia and Maureen, I'm also planning to visit SLC next year, maybe
during Easter week. I went last year during Easter and the very friendly
people there told me that they don't get that many visitors during this
week, and it's not that cold either. I'll probably spend a week or two
there.

Saludos,
Rick Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:08 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visiting Salt Lake City

Dear Maureen,
I saw that you might visit Salt Lake City in the spring. I too would like to
go in the spring and would like to meet up with some Ranchos familia. Maybe
there might be other individuals who might be interested in a spring meet-up
in SLC?

Saludos,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Maureen Bejar

I am planning a trip to SLC possibly in the spring and it will definitely be
one I will look into.

Thank you again.
Maureen

Dear Alicia and Rick:
You know I would love to meet with you, but the only reason I am making the trip is because my husband has a meeting in Reno, Nevada in June. Since we are in the area, we were going to plan on renting a car and driving to Salt Lake for a week to do some research. Sort of killing two birds with one stone. My date in June is not set yet. Now if for some reason the June date is canceled, I may still plan a trip out west to visit my sister for a while and then head up to Salt Lake. My schedule would be quite a bit more flexible. I will keep you two posted. Thank you for the offer.

Maureen

Hello Marisela.

My Ggrand Mother was Ma del Refugio Quesada, she was born in Encarnación de
Diaz (La chona), her parents were Jose Refugio Quesada y Martha Martin
Ibarra they were married in San Juan De los Lagos en 1854.
In the case of the Ortiz, My GGrand Mother was Ma del Refugio Ortiz, she was
born in 1856 in Ledesma, Ojuelos Jal. And her parents were Jose Refugio
Ortiz Flores(Born in Ags.) and Ma Candelaria Lopez Rangel(Born in Ojuelos
Jal.)

Do you found some relation with the information that you have?

Best regards
Cristobal Villalobos

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De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
hmtsam@aol.com
Enviado el: Miércoles, 10 de Diciembre de 2008 10:47 a.m.
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 35, Issue 4 (Quesada,
Ortis)

Hello Cristobal,

My ancestors are Emigdio Quesada, Jose Guadalupe Quesada, Pedro Ortis and
Maria Ortis from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.? Any relation to you???

Thank you.
Marisela Taylor
Fresno, California

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1. Re: My Dream/Mi Sue?o (jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx)
2. San Luis Potosi: was - My Dream/Mi Sue?o (Joseph Puentes)
3. San Luis Potosi: was - My Dream/Mi Sue?o (Joseph Puentes)
4. San Luis Potosi: was - My Dream/Mi Sue?o (Joseph Puentes)
5. San Luis Potosi: was - My Dream/Mi Sue?o (makas_nc)
6. Germanic roots? (Angelina Markle)
7. Re: Germanic roots? (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
8. Fwd: My Dream/Mi Sue?o (alvaradj@comcast.net)
9. Traducci?n de "Mi Sue?o" (Jaime Alvarado)
10. Fw: 2009 Sueno (JOSE MAGDALENA AGUAYO)

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:42:36 -0600
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] My Dream/Mi Sue?o
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Dear Joseph, is a pleasure to see the way that the great things happen.

I am very happy to stay in the group, and I like your idea.
I understand the priority of the Zacatecas, Jalisco and Aguascalientes
information, but if you thing could be interesting for you, I offer to share
information from San Luis Potosi, I have found that a lot of families from
"Los Altos de Jalisco" in the ends of XIX and beginnings of the XX century,
move to San Luis Potosi. I Have 6 from my Ggrandparents of 8, that are from
La Chona, San Ju
an de Los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno (Villalobos, Quesada,
Perez, De Alba, Lomel?n, Ortiz).and the other two, have relation with
Zacatecas (Sanchez and Gordoa)

If you need other kind of help please let me know.
Best Regards
Cristobal Villalobos

This link may help you,
http://www.maplandia.com/mexico/zacatecas/concepcion-del-oro/cienaga-de…

It seems to be a little "rancheria" with 136 inhabitants, and the bordering
state is Coahuila.

I hope this information help you
Regards
Patricia Haro
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:12 PM, nc_coleman wrote:

>
> Someone inquired about a place known as Rocamonte. I personally have no
> knowledge of this place, so I went to the LINKS section of NUESTROS RANCHOS
> (it is part of the title banner). Once on the LINKS page I looked under
> GEOGRAFIC AND LOCALITY INFORMATION, and then to ZACATECAS MUNICIPALITIES. On
> this page there is a BUSCAR button (Find), and I was able to enter
> "Rocamonte". The only thing that came up was information related to
> Rocamonte was the following (and this appears to NOT be a settlement) in the
> municipality of Concepcion de Oro:
> Hidrografia: "Sobre los aprovechamientos de agua subterránea cabe
> resaltar: Guadalupe Garzarón, Ciénega de Rocamontes, Anáhuac, San José del
> Mezquital, de estos dos últimos dos se extrae el agua que alimenta la red de
> distribución general en la cabecera municipal. Cuenta con pozos de uso
> doméstico y otros dedicados al riego para beneficiar una superficie de un
> poco mas de 500 hectáreas." Note - it says Cienega de Rocamontes. Note also
> its' location in the NE corner of Zacatecas, bordering ...?? an unknown
> state (the map of Zacatecas on this page does not show the neighboring
> states).
> While many municipalities have webpages, Concepcion de Oro does not appear
> to have one.
> This is the only search I made regarding Rocamonte - but there may other
> searches you can make.
>
> natalie coleman
>
>
>
>

Mario,

?Estas buscando copias de los films o copias del documento que contiene los
datos que encontraste?

Creo que los films se pueden ordenar solamente en los centros familiares de
la iglesia Mormona. Puedes ver los films alli y imprentar las pajinas que te
interesan, el film se queda con ellos.

Si estas buscando una copia del documento que contiene los datos que
encuentraste en el sitio familysearch.com tambien te pueden ayudar en el
centro familiar. En caso que no tienes un centro cercas, puedes ordernar
copias usando un formulario que puedes imprentar. La forma se llama "Request
for photocopies" y se encuentra en:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/Rg/frameset_rhelps.asp?Page=./re…
h/type/Form.asp&ActiveTab=Type

Lo que no se con seguridad es el cobro. En los Estados Unidos cobran dos
dolares por copia - tendras que informarte lo que cuesta el envio a Mexico.

Saludos,
-Angelina-
Rocklin, California

Hola Mario:

en que parte de Mexico te encuentras?

Yo tambien me apellido Gonzalez y a lo mejor te puedo ayudar en algo.

J Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Elvira,

There is a place in Zacatecas called Cienega de Rocamontes. It is up near the border of Coahuila, in the part of Zacatecas that lies between the states of Durango and Tamaulipas. The road going north from Cienega de Rocamontes leads directly to Saltillo in Coahuila.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: campezina@juno.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Treminos from Saltillo and Viesca, Coahuila

Hello, All!

I am looking for further information on these Treminos. Does anyone recognize them?

I am not finding much information on them. Although I have found information saying that they were from Saltillo, Coahuila they seem to have many connections to Zacatecas. Can anyone help? The family says they were from Saltillo.

Can anyone give any information on Rocamonte, Zacatecas? I have several members of my family born there but know nothing about the place.

Elvira
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Descendants of Jose-Antonio Tremiño

Generation No. 1

1. JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO was born Abt. 1740 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico. He married MARIA-NICOLASA(2) VILLAREAL. She was born Abt. 1741 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Children of JOSE-ANTONIO TREMIÑO and MARIA-NICOLASA(2) VILLAREAL are:
2. i. JOSE CLAUDIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. Abt. 1762, Saltillo?, Coahuila, México; d. , Coahuila, México.
ii. MARIA-SILVESTRA TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. 1786, Rocamonte, Zacatecas, Mexico; m. JUAN-JOSE CAVELLO, 14 Jan 1809, Ig de Santiago Apostol, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico1; b. 1785, San Juan de Ahorcados, Zacatecas, Mexico.

More About JUAN-JOSE CAVELLO and MARIA-SILVESTRA TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL:
Marriage: 14 Jan 1809, Ig de Santiago Apostol, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico1

3. iii. GREGORIO TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL, b. Abt. 1798, de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Generation No. 2

2. JOSE CLAUDIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL (JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO) was born Abt. 1762 in Saltillo?, Coahuila, México, and died in , Coahuila, México. He married MARIA DE GRASIA MARTINES in , , , México. She was born Abt. 1764 in , Saltillo, Coahuila, México, and died in , Coahuila, México.

More About JOSE TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MARIA MARTINES:
Marriage: , , , México

Children of JOSE TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MARIA MARTINES are:
4. i. MARIA CECILIA3 TREMIÑO-MARTINES, b. 1779, Santo Domingo de la Punta, Viesca, Coahuila, México; d. 02 Jun 1849, La Punta de Santo Domingo, Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.
5. ii. JOSE BENIGNO TREMIÑO-MARTINES, b. 28 Feb 1803, La Punta de Santo Domingo, Viesca, Coahuila, México; d. 07 Jul 1849, Santo Domingo de la Punta, Viesca, Coahuila, México.

3. GREGORIO2 TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL (JOSE-ANTONIO1 TREMIÑO) was born Abt. 1798 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico. He married MADRE MALDONADO-ARREDONDO, daughter of PEDRO MALDONADO-FLORES and YSAVEL DE-AREDONDO-DE-ERRERA. She was born Abt. 1799 in de Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico.

Child of GREGORIO TREMIÑO-VILLAREAL and MADRE MALDONADO-ARREDONDO is:
i. JOSE GREGORIO DE LOS DOLORES3 TREMIÑO-MALDONADO, b. Oct 1817, , Viesca, Coahuila, Mexico2.

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San Jose, CA

 
Hello, All!

Can anyone give any information on Rocamonte, Zacatecas? I have several
members of my family born there but know nothing about the place.

Elvira
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