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Hey Anna I think it is misspelled I think it is "en la Octava del Reloj", I
have seen it before, they used to refer at the time like that back then, it
means "At the Eight on the Clock" (8:00 O'Clock) and in extremis is a latin
phrase , that means "in the furthest reaches" or "at the point of death",
generally referring to grave or exceptional circumstances.
Probably this weeding was in the partcipant's house and under extreme
circumstances maybe one of them or maybe both were very ill and the priest
had to celebrate the ceremony at the address..
Regarding the Callejon del indio address I have no idea I'll see what I can
find and let you know..

Regards...

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From: "anna1m"
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:33 AM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Distrito Federal, Mexico Civil Record
translation

>
> Happy Holidays to all:
>
> I have a civil marriage record from Distrito Federal, Mexico dated 07 Jan
> 1917 and I am unable to translate two statements. “En la casa no 94 de la
> oclava del Reloj el Sr Pbro D.J. Guadalupe Chavez, V.P. asistio a siete de
> enero de mil novecientos diecisiete al matrimonio que in extremis (or fue
> in extremis) contrajeron Juan Breña y Ma Gonzalez fueron testigos
> Francisco y Ana Breña “
>
> I am having trouble finding "oclave del Reloj" on any map. Does anyone
> have a historical map of DF. Quite possible this was located behind la
> Cathedral in front of Teatro Alarcon (or so I was told).
>
> Also what does que in extremis or fue in extremis means.
>
> And while on the subject of maps, I am looking for Callejon del Indio
> Triste No 59, Zacatecas, Zac, Mx which was the residence of my uncle,
> Marcelo Gonzalez.
>
> Any assisstance is appreciated. Anita

Hola Daniel

Muchos de mis antepasados son originarios de Tecolotlán y tengo registrada a María Rosa Mora quien se casó con Pedro José Baldés quienes tuvieron a María Luisa Baldés Mora quien se casó con José María Santana o Santa anna Ramírez el 5 de mayo de 1810.
Josefa Mora se casó con Thomas Santa Anna y tuvieron a Jose Tiburcio Santa Ana Mora quien se casó con María Salomé Cobian en 13 junio de 1802 también en Tecolotlán.
Espero que esta información sea de ayuda. Saludos.
Blanca Isabel Guerrero Santana.

Luisa lozano was chistening in el sagrario aguascalientes,but tepatitlan jalisco was part of aguascalientes for few years, that means that she was chritening in what is now tepatitlan.

Luisa Lozano fue bautizada en el sagrario aguascalienres, pero tepatitlan jalisco fue parte ecleciasticamente de aguascalientes por corto tiempo, eso quiere decir que ella fue bautizada en lo que ahora es tepatitlan.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El vie 26-dic-08, John Inclan escribió:

> De:: John Inclan
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Lozano
> A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: viernes, 26 diciembre, 2008, 1:21 pm
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>   Female    
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> ________________________________
> Event(s):
> Birth: 
> Christening:  27 DEC 1645   El Sagrario,
> Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
> Death: 
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>   1. Jose Maria Casillas Hermosillo de Gonzalez (Aaron
> Casillas)
>   2. Re: Hernandez de Gamino Family (actapatio2007)
>   3. more informationo on Jose Maria Casillas   
> Gonzalez de
>       Hermosillo (actapatio2007)
>   4. Casillas GEDCOM available- Los Altos de
> Jalisco/    and beyond,
>       DNA info also for Alvarez, Ramirez (Aaron
> Casillas)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:52:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: Aaron Casillas
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Casillas Hermosillo
> de Gonzalez
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
> <936204.10150.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Que tal,
> ?
> I saw your posting on your website.? The Hermosillo family
> name is truncated from the Casillas family name.? We've
> been using birth certificates and previous work done by
> Alberto Casillas in his book titled the "Casillas"
> to trace back the Casillas family .
> ?
> Including DNA sampling which resulted in R1b1.
> ?
> By adding the Casillas back in the name you can get all the
> previous ancestors.?
> ?
> These are my fathers:
> ?
> Moises Casillas Diaz
> Quintin Casillas Gomez
> Panfilo Casillas Ulloa
> Nazario Casillas Gutierrez
> Francisco de la Trinidad Casillas Villapando
> Jose Maria Casillas Gonzalez de Hermosillo
> Jose de San Ramon Casillas Casillas
> Jacinto Ventura Casillas Lozano
> Francisco Casillas y Cabrera III
> Francisco Casillas y Cabrera II
> Francisco Casillas y Cabrera I
> Martin Casillas (Spain, he built the cathedral in
> Guadalajara)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:11:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: actapatio2007
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hernandez de Gamino Family
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
>    
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>    
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>
>
> Hi
>
> Copy and past my url to see the descendants and ancestors
> of
> Jose Maria Casillsa, Gonzales, de Hermosillo...
> (aka Jose Gozales de Hermosillo)
>
> http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=FWRJ5&viewuid=FWRJ5
>
> My source is Jose Alberto Casillas, Rick Rodriguez, who
> both are using actual birth certificates.
>
> It was common and tradition in times to for women to use
> their grandmothers name instead of their husbands.  Such as
> the case with de Hermosillo mixing with Gonzalez, becoming
> Gonzales de Hermosillo.
>
> Jose Maria's real last name is Casillas.  Very much
> like Panco Villa using a name de guerra....
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:17:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: actapatio2007
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] more informationo on Jose Maria
> Casillas
>     Gonzalez de Hermosillo
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
>    
>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
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>
> http://www.valledeguadalupe.com/historia.htm
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:57:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Aaron Casillas
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Casillas GEDCOM available- Los
> Altos de
>     Jalisco/    and beyond, DNA info also for
> Alvarez, Ramirez
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
> <863086.67017.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Greetings,
>
> My GEDCOM is now available under Aaron Casillas.
>
> Notables =
> 1) Martin "Alarife" Casillas
> ??? a) Spainard who built the Cathedral in Guadalajara,
> according to Jose Alberto Casillas, related to Viceroy
> Mendoza
> ????b) Martin is also Miguel Hidalgo's maternal side
> family member...
>
> 2) Jose Maria Casillas, Gonzalez de Hermosillo (insurgent)
>
> (R1b) Casillas DNA Work completed?/? Celtic (most likely
> the Spanish Netherlands, same place Carlos 5th was born)
> http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=C&lastname=Casill…
>
> Some last names vascillate as it was the custom for women
> to sometimes use their grandmothers last names.? Truncation
> of last names?also occured;such as the name of
> "Casillas" as is the "de la torre"
> family from los Altos de Jalisco...they would originally be
> "Casillas de la Torre", or synthisis like
> Gonzalez, de Hermosillo becomes Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Or
> Cabrera becomes "y Cabrera" or "de
> Cabrera."
>
> Casillas Pedigree Chart
> http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
>
> (I1a) Alvarez (Aifursson)?DNA Work completed?/Nordic Viking
> Visigoth
> http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=A&lastname=Alvare…
>
> (old J2f1) Ramirez? DNA Work completed / Adriatic Troy/
> Founders of Rome
> http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_view.asp?uid=&letter=R&lastname=Ramire…
>
> Mothers Mothers
> mtDNA= "D" Native Meso American"?
> Aztec/Apache/Cherokee/Toltec/Peruvian
>
> My source of work comes from
> 1) Alberto Jose Casillas book "Casillas"
> 2) Ricardo Rodrigo, whose a currently researching all
> families and origins from el Valle de Guadalupe and has also
> verfied and completed dna sampling from various families.?
> Includes actual Birth Certificates
> 3) Family lore, father told me we were descendants of Jose
> Maria and Martin "Alarife"?Casillas, lore that we
> are descendant of Germanic people.
> 4) Lore that the Spainards were tongue in cheek Catholics,
> a touch of Celtic paganism, ever heard of a
> "Dwinde?" or "Nuevo Galicia?"
> 5) Oxford University/ Oxford Ancestors Paternal and
> maternal tests. Fathers are from the "Oisin Clan"
> 6) National Geographic, DNA testing for paternal,
> maternal,mothers fathers, mothers mothers fathers, mother
> fathers mother...
>
> Photos Scans available upon request of :
> Martin "Alarife" Casillas
> Panfilo Casillas and Viscenta Gomez Casillas
> Casillas heraldry matching Spanish Netherlands Celts
> "Carlos the 5th" administrators in Mexico
> Quintin Casillas and Celedonia Diaz Casillas
>
> -Thanks
> Aaron Casillas?Alvarez Diaz Ramirez Gomez Barajas Gutierez
> :)
> for Casillas family Guadalajara, el Valle de Guadalupe to
> Xalostitlan.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>

Hello Jorge

I have Juana Maria Quesada who was the wife of Salvadore de Escoto. She was buried 7 Feb 1730, Aguascalientes, AGS. I know of these children:
1. Franca. Xabiela Escoto Cuesada, chr. 31 Dec 1719, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes
2. Ysidra Maria Escoto Quesada, chr. 13 Jun 1721, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes
3. Maria MIchaela Escoto, born abt 1725, married 13 May 1750, Jose Francisco Cordova
4. Anna de Escoto, married Joseph Alexandro Duron, 3 Jun 1751

George Fulton

John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@verizon.net.

Before you take advantage of the "sale" mentioned in the message below, I
suggest you look into getting your DNA analyzed by other labs for a more
reasonable cost.
I paid $ 129 for a 37 marker Y-DNA analysis from GeneTree, it could be $149
by now, but that is still a bargain compared with other labs.

I belong to Haplogroup E--M96, Subgroup : E1b1b1-M35. It is the third most
frequent haplogroup in Europe.

----- Original Message -----
From: "RaquelRuiz"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 20:35
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] dna testing

>
> I just learned the www.familytreedna.com has a December sale on at least
> some of their test kits when purchased through one of the projects (you
> can generally fit yourself into one of the posted projects. There is a
> Mexican Surname Project and lots of specific surname and geographic
> projects.) The Y-DNA37w/ mtDNAPlus kit is $199 (I paid over $300), and the
> Y-67DNAw/mtDNAPlus kit is $308. I don't know what the latter one was
> before, but that represents a good savings. I only wish I had known about
> their apparently traditional December-only sales.
> I have been very satisfied with the results and the availability of
> knowledgeable people to answer questions. So far my results indicate a
> European haplogroup for my Ruiz line (R1b1b2a1a), and 3 Native American
> lines (Q and mtdna haplogroups B and C). So if you have thought about
> having it done, you may want to take advantage of the sale. (Who knew
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Hello Marisela, Sorry, I do not have these names in my database. My Quesada information is from Teocalitiche area from about 1772 to about 1791. Your Quesadas are proably from a later period I am guessing. Chances are, there is a connection but I have not expanded this family branch yet. Maybe in a couple of months things may change. This is what I have: Maria Gertrudis Quesada (b-abt 1791) daughter of Antonio Quesada & Anna Maria Aguilera married 03/02/1772 in Teocaltiche. Hope this helps!

Rudy Munoz - Phoenix Arizona
---- hmtsam@aol.com wrote:
> Rudy and Esperanza,? my ancestors are Quesadas from the Teocaltiche, Jalisco area also.? My great-grandfather was Emigdio Quezada and his parents were Jose Guadalupe Quezada and Gregoria Martinez.? I don't have birthdates for Jose or Gregoria.? Does this help any of you???? Do you have any dates for your Quesadas???
>
> Keeping my fingers crossed. . .
> Marisela
> Fresno, California
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Finally! I believe I have a hit with someone in the group! Yes Esperanza, I do
> have information on this line to share with you. Your Timoteo Limon was brother
> to my GGG Grandfather Victor Limon. Timoteo's and Victor's Parents were Jose
> Carlos Limon & Maria Gertrudis. I believe Maria Gertrudis was a Quesada. I
> still have not hit the birth records for this line but do have a copy of the
> Marriage reco
> rd of Jose Limon and Maria Gertrudis Quesada to share with you if
> you like. In addition, Tiburcia Estrada is also in my direct family line. Her
> parents were my GGGGrandparents Jose Nicolas Estrada and Maria Encarnacion
> Chavez. I do not have any marriage info on these grandparents yet. I too am
> also new to this. I am willing to help you out with whatever I can. Let me
> know!
>
> Rudy Munoz - Phoenix Arizona
>
> ---- Esperanza wrote:
> >
> > Hello Rudy,
> > I just started my own genealogy research. I have found an ancestor by the name
> of Guillermo Estrada Limon born 1834 in Teocaltiche to Timoteo Limon and
> Tiburcia Estrada. Guilllermo Limon married Margarita Macias in 1862. They had a
> son by the name of Sabino but I have no record of him. I only know that he
> married Andrea Esparza who I also have no record of.
> >
> > I am looking for any information and records that may help me fill in the
> connections for the Limon, Macias, and Estrada family in Teocaltiche.
> >
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My guess is 240. Thanks - Anita

Que tal 305!
Saludos:
Jose Luis Felix> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:42:29 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book> > > Hi,> > I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to > Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not really > into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org > member.> > If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this > book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the > closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in > the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.> > here are those scans:> > http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg&gt; http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg&gt; > Saludos,> > Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." El > libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería" y > piense que estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org> > Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su > conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la > conjetura más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y > te lo mando gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).> > aqui estan los scans:> > http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg&gt; http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg&gt; > joseph> > =====================> > Joseph Puentes> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes > Genealogy)> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Joseph Puentes wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 5:42 PM

Hi,

I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not
really into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
member.

If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this book
then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the closest to the
number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in the middle) I'll
mail you the book absolutely free.

here are those scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

Saludos,

Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." El
libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería"
y piense que estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org

Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su
conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la conjetura
más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y te lo mando
gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).

aqui estan los scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

#333 is my pick. Thanks

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Joseph Puentes wrote:
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 3:42 PM

Hi,

I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not
really into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
member.

If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this book
then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the closest to the
number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in the middle) I'll
mail you the book absolutely free.

here are those scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

Saludos,

Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." El
libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería"
y piense que estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org

Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su
conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la conjetura
más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y te lo mando
gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).

aqui estan los scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

How about 265?
 
Saludos
 
Steve.

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Joseph Puentes wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:42 PM

Hi,

I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not
really into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
member.

If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this book
then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the closest to the
number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in the middle) I'll
mail you the book absolutely free.

here are those scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

Saludos,

Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." El
libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería"
y piense que estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org

Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su
conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la conjetura
más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y te lo mando
gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).

aqui estan los scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

Here's my 2 cents.  :-)

264

~Lori

________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:42:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book

Hi,

I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not really into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org member.

If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.

here are those scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

Saludos,

Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver,  "An Introduction to Heraldry."  El libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería"  y piense que  estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org

Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la conjetura más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y te lo mando gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).

aqui estan los scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

HI THERE ,

MY PIC OF THE DRAW IS 253

WELESTER

> Hi,> > I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to > Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not really > into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org > member.> > If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this > book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the > closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in > the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book

Hi,

I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not really
into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
member.

If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this
book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the
closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in
the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.

here are those scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

Saludos,

Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." El
libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería" y
piense que estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org

Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su
conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la
conjetura más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y
te lo mando gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).

aqui estan los scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

numero 239
Phyls39@rgv.rr.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Free Heraldry Book

Hi,

I have this book on Heraldry by Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to
Heraldry." It doesn't really talk about our genealogy and I'm not really
into Heraldry so I thought I'd give it away to a nuestrosranchos.org
member.

If you look at these two scans and think you might be interested in this
book then send me your guess between 1 and 500 and if you are the
closest to the number that my wife just picked (hint it was somewhere in
the middle) I'll mail you the book absolutely free.

here are those scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

Saludos,

Tengo el libro de Stefan Oliver, "An Introduction to Heraldry." El
libro no es de nuestra genealogia y yo no tengo interes en "Armería" y
piense que estara bien darlo a un miembro del grupo nuestrosranchos.org

Mira los scans y si piensas que tienes interes en este libro envíeme su
conjetura de un número entre uno y quinientos y la persona con la
conjetura más cercana al numero que mi esposa me dio ganarán el libro y
te lo mando gratis (la respuesta correcta está cercana al centro).

aqui estan los scans:

http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Cover_Heraldry.jpg
http://H2Opodcast.com/images/Index_Heraldry.jpg

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Hi Linda, Cuauhtémoc is really close, east of Jérez and just north of Aguascalientes.
Its possible their ancestors traveled from there to Jérez back and forth, they're pretty close
to each other. As for films it seems people from Cuaté went to San Pedro to get baptized
there are only 2 civil registration films which I strongly recomend them to view first since its usually the easiest to read
El municipio de Cuauhtémoc tiene por cabecera Ciudad Cuauhtémoc.
SubjectsMéxico, Zacatecas, Cuauhtémoc - Civil registration
FormatManuscript (On Film)
LanguageSpanish
PublicationSalt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1999
Physical2 carretes de microfilme ; 16 mm.
Film NotesNote - Location [Film]Nacimientos 1914, 1921-1930 -- Matrimonios 1925-1950 -- Defunciones 1914, 1920-1938, 1940-1942, 1944-1954, 1957-1981 - VAULT INTL Film [ 2176441 ]Defunciones 1982-1999 - VAULT INTL Film [ 2176442 ]

Then there are the Civils from San Pedro
TitleRegistros civiles del municipio de San Pedro Piedra Gorda, 1862-1920
AuthorsSan Pedro Piedra Gorda (Zacatecas). Registro Civil (Main Author)
NotesMicrofilme de manuscritos en el Archivo General de Gobierno del Estado de Zacatecas.Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.Civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths from the municipa- lity of San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Zacatecas, Mexico.
SubjectsMéxico, Zacatecas, San Pedro Piedra Gorda - Civil registration
FormatManuscript (On Film)
LanguageSpanish
PublicationSalt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1973
Physical13 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm.
Film NotesNote - Location [Film]Nacimientos 1862-1863,1866-1867,1869-1871,1873- 1877,1879-1885 - FHL INTL Film [ 1082180 ]Nacimientos 1886-1894 - FHL INTL Film [ 1082181 ]Nacimientos 1895-1907 - FHL INTL Film [ 1082195 ]Nacimientos 1908-1913,1915-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082196 ]Matrimonios 1862-1870,1873-1875,1877-1883 - FHL INTL Film [ 1082197 ]Matrimonios 1884-1897 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082198 ]Matrimonios 1898-1907 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082199 ]Matrimonios 1908-1913,1915-1918 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082200 ]Defunciones 1862,1869-1871,1873-1876 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082201 ]Defunciones 1877-1878,1880-1892 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082202 ]Defunciones 1893-1898 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082203 ]Defunciones 1898-1906 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082204 ]Defunciones 1907-1913,1915-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1082205 ]

These are the church records for San Pedro
TitleRegistros parroquiales, 1825-1920
AuthorsIglesia Católica. San Francisco de los Adame (San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Zacatecas) (Main Author)
NotesMicrofilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.Incluyen partidas del pueblo de Ojo Caliente.Algunos tomos incluyen índice.Parish registers of baptisms, marriage petitions, and marriages from San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Zacatecas, Mexico.Some registers include indexes.Includes records from the town of Ojo Caliente.
SubjectsMéxico, Zacatecas, San Pedro Piedra Gorda - Church recordsMéxico, Zacatecas, Ojo Caliente - Church records
FormatManuscript (On Film)
LanguageSpanish
PublicationSalt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1974
Physical4 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.
Film NotesNote - Location [Film]Bautismos 1825-1830,1884-1920 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094565 ]Matrimonios 1884-1918 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094566 ]Información matrimonial 1884-1891 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094567 ]Información matrimonial 1899-1902 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094568 ]

My guess would be using all these in conjuction with each other because most likely they'll
find in both places.
Hope this helps.
-Cousin Daniel
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On the marriage record have you checked to see if there is a marriage information record for that year?  That may give you even more information. Also is there a civil birth registration record instead of a baptism record, that sometimes gives you even more information with ages and occupations of parents and names of grandparents also.
 
Linda in Everett

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Jaime Alvarado wrote:

From: Jaime Alvarado
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help: de Aranda-Martin Sotomayor (marriage) & Lorenza Moran Montoya (christening)
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:10 PM

Three weeks ago I requested photocopies from LDS, but the microfilms containing
two of the records I requested were badly damaged, and they did not send copies.
Instead, they suggested to visit my closest Family Research Center, and extract
the info directly from the microfilm. Unfortunately, the center closest to me
does not have these films, so I need your help. These are the two records:

1)Marriage: Antonio de Aranda with Antonia Martin de Sotomaior (Sotomayor) 27
jul 1704, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. M602325 0641015

2)Christening: Lorenza Moran Montoya. Parents, Juan Moran and Juana Montoia
(Montoya). 20 agosto 1694. El Sagrario, Aguascalientes. C604763 0299423

This records could prove extremely useful, because I have reached a wall with
both families and I hope to find additional information in these records to
continue my research. For record 1, I hope the names of the parents of bride and
groom to be listed, but if they are not, at least the names of the
'Padrinos'.

For record 2, I am after the names of the grandparents (unlikely to be listed,
but they might) or at least the names of the padrinos. These sometimes are
extremely useful.

Hope someone can help getting this info. Perhaps someone has additional
information on these two families.

Thanks

Jaime

Thank you Alicia and Happy Holidays to you and the Group!

Rudy Munoz - Phoenix Arizona

---- Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Rudy and Esperanza,
>
> Congratulations on the discovery of your connection, the excitement is palpable and there's nothing like it, to finally make that familial connection.
>
> That's what brings us to this group, the hope that we'll learn about ourselves by learning about our ancestors, and if in the process we make a connection with a family member, it's a homerun.
>
> I am happy for both of you,
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "rmunoz18@cox.net"
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:06:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche
>
> Finally! I believe I have a hit with someone in the group! Yes Esperanza, I do have information on this line to share with you. Your Timoteo Limon was brother to my GGG Grandfather Victor Limon. Timoteo's and Victor's Parents were Jose Carlos Limon & Maria Gertrudis. I believe Maria Gertrudis was a Quesada. I still have not hit the birth records for this line but do have a copy of the Marriage record of Jose Limon and Maria Gertrudis Quesada to share with you if you like. In addition, Tiburcia Estrada is also in my direct family line. Her parents were my GGGGrandparents Jose Nicolas Estrada and Maria Encarnacion Chavez. I do not have any marriage info on these grandparents yet. I too am also new to this. I am willing to help you out with whatever I can. Let me know!
>
> Rudy Munoz - Phoenix Arizona
>
> ---- Esperanza wrote:
> >
> > Hello Rudy,
> > I just started my own genealogy research. I have found an ancestor by the name of Guillermo Estrada Limon born 1834 in Teocaltiche to Timoteo Limon and Tiburcia Estrada. Guilllermo Limon married Margarita Macias in 1862. They had a son by the name of Sabino but I have no record of him. I only know that he married Andrea Esparza who I also have no record of.
> >
> > I am looking for any information and records that may help me fill in the connections for the Limon, Macias, and Estrada family in Teocaltiche.
> >
> > -Esperanza
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Hi there,

>From what I was told as a child BRACEROS were called that because they carried wiht them a type of portable BBQ that is called a bracero .

Welester

> Hello all!> > My father was a "bracero" (laborer contracted in a group). I think "bracero" term refers to "brazo" equal to "arm" for labor or work in the U. S. during, but not exclusivly, World War II and Korea War. > He belongs nowadays in a organizated group dedicated to claim some money that mexican goverment received as a retention of 10% from braceros earnings to set a fund for they to have back in their country.> His was contracted in Mexico City in 1943, he left his town Jesús María, Jalisco, accompained by his now deceased cousin.> Yesterday he went with the group to Mexicali, State capital of Baja California (we live in Tijuana) to give all the required documents in the office stablished for that matter. > He came back very desappointed and sad because he doesn´t have his contract document, it is gone, destroyed in the course of life. He has no "bracero card" because at that time it was not given. The only thing he has is a beige colored envelope he was given to preserve his documents, including his contract, during traveling, but this solely envelope is not taken as proof by such office.> > My request from you, is any info or guidance on how to obtain a copy of my father´s bracero contract, hoping there is an original or copy in official or contractor´s company archives. > > He was contracted to work in the Southern (or South) Pacific Railroad in California. He was based in Auburn, Ca. > His job was right in the rail construction and some nigths as a vigilant as extra time.> > Any ideas on how I must search via internet first, if possible, or where to go with my 86 year old papá to request such document? Maybe some relarives of any of you had a job like that and made that quest.> > As extra info, mexican office retaining (as keepers) that 10% are giving up only $38,000 pesos in return, but it easily should be about $100,000 pesos, some tv journalists had say; shame on my not honest goverment holders.> > Well, my father and maybe all braceros were not aware of that count until someone, right now I dont´t have his name nor activity. start the movement to get that money back to whome it belongs.> > And also, take this as a piece of history of my genealogy.> > I am very proud of my honest and honored dad. It is not shame to need money, which is not the case thanks God and my dad, who never was lazy, on contrary, he still is a active hardwork man. During this rainy season, nobody can stop him from going to the roof to check an rapair, he reluctanly use the services of a handyman or any mason, he likes to have the credit for any rapair he can do, when he can.> He only stops and sit to just watch his handyman working when his body suffers pain from extra physical efforts, then he sits there directing his helper like if that man is his owns hands. > > Now you can make questions for helping me if any lack in my explaining.> > It is not good a rain drop falling on my dad´s head, I have to open the umbrella.> > Thank you all for this and all the help I always receive willingly to be a help for you also.>
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Leticia, If it is okay with you, I can forward your e-mail to a friend
who was investigating the same situation for her father. Perhaps they can offer some insight.  As I recall, there may be some attorney's involved in helping. Do believe that I may have read something on the subject on Semos Primos.com
Lots of Luck
Helyn
San Jose, CA

--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Marionicia wrote:

Hello all!

My father was a "bracero" (laborer contracted in a group). I think
"bracero" term refers to "brazo" equal to "arm"
for labor or work in the U. S. during, but not exclusivly, World War II and
Korea War. He belongs nowadays in a organizated group dedicated to claim some
money that mexican goverment received as a retention of 10% from braceros
earnings to set a fund for they to have back in their country.
His was contracted in Mexico City in 1943, he left his town Jesús María,
Jalisco, accompained by his now deceased cousin.
Yesterday he went with the group to Mexicali, State capital of Baja California
(we live in Tijuana) to give all the required documents in the office stablished
for that matter. He came back very desappointed and sad because he doesn´t have
his contract document, it is gone, destroyed in the course of life. He has no
"bracero card" because at that time it was not given. The only thing
he has is a beige colored envelope he was given to preserve his documents,
including his contract, during traveling, but this solely envelope is not taken
as proof by such office.

My request from you, is any info or guidance on how to obtain a copy of my
father´s bracero contract, hoping there is an original or copy in official or
contractor´s company archives.
He was contracted to work in the Southern (or South) Pacific Railroad in
California. He was based in Auburn, Ca. His job was right in the rail
construction and some nigths as a vigilant as extra time.

Any ideas on how I must search via internet first, if possible, or where to go
with my 86 year old papá to request such document? Maybe some relarives of any
of you had a job like that and made that quest.

As extra info, mexican office retaining (as keepers) that 10% are giving up
only $38,000 pesos in return, but it easily should be about $100,000 pesos, some
tv journalists had say; shame on my not honest goverment holders.

Well, my father and maybe all braceros were not aware of that count until
someone, right now I dont´t have his name nor activity. start the movement to
get that money back to whome it belongs.

And also, take this as a piece of history of my genealogy.

I am very proud of my honest and honored dad. It is not shame to need money,
which is not the case thanks God and my dad, who never was lazy, on contrary, he
still is a active hardwork man. During this rainy season, nobody can stop him
from going to the roof to check an rapair, he reluctanly use the services of a
handyman or any mason, he likes to have the credit for any rapair he can do,
when he can.
He only stops and sit to just watch his handyman working when his body suffers
pain from extra physical efforts, then he sits there directing his helper like
if that man is his owns hands.
Now you can make questions for helping me if any lack in my explaining.

It is not good a rain drop falling on my dad´s head, I have to open the
umbrella.

Thank you all for this and all the help I always receive willingly to be a help
for you also.

Hello Rudy,
I just started my own genealogy research. I have found an ancestor by the name of Guillermo Estrada Limon born 1834 in Teocaltiche to Timoteo Limon and Tiburcia Estrada. Guilllermo Limon married Margarita Macias in 1862 also in Teocaltiche. They had a son by the name of Sabino but I have no record of him. I only know that he married Andrea Esparza who I also have no record of.

I am looking for any information and records that may help me fill in the connections for the Limon, Macias, and Estrada family in Teocaltiche.

-Esperanza

Hello Rudy,

I am not certain but I found someone that I believed that it could be your grandfather on the pilot family search site:

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#placeId=1927078;mothe…

I know its not the same date but many times you discover that are family member was wrong, for example my grandmother, it was said she was born in 1899 and in reality in the records she was born in 1894. Also besides that sometimes LDS site will mispell names or also many of our family members in the 1800's would have Jose or Maria in front of everyones name. I found many members of my family just by putting these names infront.

Name: Jose Donato Muños

Residence: Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

Christening place: Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth date:

Birth place:

Father name: Magdaleno Muños

Father name note:

Mother name: Norberta Gutierrez

Mother name note:

Gender: Male

Death date:

Name note:

UDE batch number: 103330-9

Date range:

Record group: Mexico-EASy

Film number: 226688

Good Luck!

Sofia
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Hello Rudy, I can help you alot on your Macías, Pedrosa, Esparza, Estrada, Calvillo
These families except Calvillo, Estrada I descend from. Many other members do descend from the Esparza, I believe I'm the only one descending from the Pedrosa need to check. And
now you too descend from the Pedrosa. The following may help.

Los Altos and Aguas-Old Spaniard Usage

The Macías family is de Macías y Valadés
The Estrada- de Estrada y Bocanegra
The Calvillo- Martínez de Calvillo (Owners of La Hacienda de San Nicolás)
The Esparza- Ruiz de Esparza
The Pedrosa-de la Pedrosa y Alba

These are the actual last names us Spaniards used for the Colonial Period of New
Spain, There are families that still use this system today, but most have
shorten to Macías, Estrada, Calvillo, Esparza, Pedrosa due to some law of Spain
I read on Wikipedia, that prohibited non Criollos to use original form, not sure thought
exactly why? Many have thought is was about Lasiness and or custom to shorten it
but this is inaccurate since Spaniards are SOOOO PROUD, (according to my Grndfther)
they would have never dared to shorten their names unless the King decreed.

Regards,
-Daniel Méndez del Camino....de Macías-Valadés,....Ruiz de Esparza (about 8 times Esparza).....de la Pedrosa-Ruiz :)
P.S. Dont hesitate to contact me!

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Good Evening and welcome Rudy,

You and I may be related through various surnames, my family descends from Tlachichila, Nochistlan, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and from Aguascalientes, Ags.

I have about 4 Muños family lines. My primary surnames are Avelar (dad's surname), Olmos (mom's surname)

My father's surnames are: Avelar, Aguayo, Garcia, Muños, Muños, Ortega, Garcia, Gomez, Duran, Guerrero, Olmos, De-la Cruz. To date all but De La Cruz are from the Municipio de Nochistlan. The rancherias are Monte De Duranes, Sombreretillo, San Roque, Cerro de San Miguel, La Cienega. You might want to check your records to see what the names of the rancherias were. There's a reason why the name of Nuestros Ranchos, the ranchos lead you to your ancestors.

My paternal grandmother was Rebeca Aguayo, Muños, her parents were Antonio Aguayo and Gregoria Muños, however this is the line in which I have done very little research, therefore at this time I cannot provide much information.

Look forward to hearing from you soon.

Alicia, Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

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Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:28:45 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Introduction for Rudy Munoz

Good Evening,

I'd like to take a moment to introduce myself to the group. I have just recently begun to research my family roots. I am new to this so please be patient with me until I get up to speed with all of you!!! It has been a difficult task obtaining famly information since most of the family with the key information has passed on. The branch I am currently focusing on is for my Paternal Munoz & Macias lineage. My Grandfathers name was Jose Gutierrez Munoz who was born in Tlachichila, Zacatecas in 1897. My grandfathers parents names were Magdaleno Munoz & Nolberta Gutierrez. The only other info I have on this line is the name of my gg grandfather Rafael Gutierrez. From what I am told Rafael had two wives. However, no one remembers their names! Any help with this branch would be very welcome. Nolberta Gutierrez had siblings by the names of: Margarita, Thomasa, Basilia & Rafael. Magdaleno Munoz had only one sister by the name of Diega who married
a Santellan.

I have had much better luck with my Macias lineage! This branch of the family seems to have resided in Villa Hidalgo, Teocaltiche, San Juan de los Lagos & Lagos de Moreno areas of Jalisco. I have also tracked down family records from Aguascalientes. The family names from this lineage are as follows: Macias, Olmos, Pedroza, Aguallo, Ruiz, Garcia, Estrada, Limon, Quesada, Calvillo, Luera, Villanueva, Chavez, Esparza, Aguilar and /or Avelar and Villavicensio. I am currently at the early 1800's with this branch.

I look forward to participating in your discussions. I have learned a great deal from your recent discussions regarding research. Any input and corrections are always welcome.

Rudy Munoz - Phoenix, AZ

URL: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16983

Thank you very much, I´will visit that site.
 
Regards, Leticia Leon

--- El mié 17-dic-08, David P. Delgado escribió:

De:: David P. Delgado
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I need help with
A: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: miércoles, 17 diciembre, 2008, 3:43 pm

I found a web site: which describes how to get
assistance in obtaining compensation. If you carry out a google search on
"bracero" you will find a lot of reading material.

David Delgado in Albany, CA

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David P. Delgado