Nuestros Ranchos Site

LDS films are only available for research in SLC and the multitude of
Family History Centers around the world. What you are seeing in the
films section is films I personally have on permanent hold at the family
history center I attend. If you have specific look ups I can have a look
every 2nd wednesday when I am a volunteer at my FHC.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Joseph de Leon wrote:
>
> Joseph Puentes,
> I noticed that these films are shown in the FILMS section here at
> NuestrosRanchos and I was wondering if and when they would be
> available for us to research them here.
>
> Burials 1785-1818 443797 Joseph Puentes Burials
> 1832-1849 443793 Joseph Puentes Death 1718-1801 443791
> Joseph Puentes; Arturo Ramos Death 1801-1832 443792 Joseph
> Puentes

I've sent this person a severe warning. This type of material is totally
inappropriate on any of our lists.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Gonzalez Gonzalez wrote:
> Gonzalez Gonzalez has invited you to Jhoos
>
>
>
>
>

MARQUEZ MATEO J 09/21/1898 JIMENEZ M MAINE VENTURA 11/15/1966 569-32-6882 68 yrs Add

I found this maybe it'll hekp

MARQUEZ ESTANISL 05/07/1874 MUNOZ M MAINE VENTURA 12/12/1960 86 yrs Add

Jose Carlos de Leon

Remember all Mexicans have some european blood at least half and others full. That would be correct since Spain conquered Mexico everyone should trace their roots to at least Spain. The Spaniards came from Germany then from their the Span-Germans came from the Causcus mountains in Russia, hence the term Caucasian. Once you reach these mtns. Its all Bible Genealogy. I can trace my lineage back to Adam and Eve. I can spmewhat map what my lineage trail. I will send a map in jpg. sometime showing what I believe is my genetic trail. Of course all Bible genelogy goes back to Mesopatamia, Israel and Egypt and the Middle East. From their I believe Adam and Eve came from Africa. Since at one point it is said Africa was the greatest rainforest filled with trees and animals but then the Ice age hit and then it dried up. Until what we know is Africa. The Garden of Eden might be the Sahara Desert?
-Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Hi Gloria--

I looked up your couple, but they were not listed in the index. Sorry!

Rosalinda

Paco:

This is not an appropriate posting for the research mailing list. It is being moved to the announcement list.

Hola Paco:
A que invitacion te refieres?se mas espesifico .donde y cuando
Jose Luis felix
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It seems that you have a fair deal of information that simply needs to be verified and then you can begin searching records in Mexico.

My first suggestion would be to try to find the border crossing record for your grandfather (Salvador Bernal) and his mother Antonia Cano. Ancestry.com has a "pay for service" index of most Mexican border crossing records beginning in 1903. There are some members that have a subscription that may be willing to do a look up for you or you can go to a library that subcribes and use it there.

Once you find the border crossing record, if you are lucky it will list the person's place of birth and perhaps even his/her parents names.

Once you have verified the names of Antonia's parents and found the name of the Mexican municipality where she was born, you can begin searching in the LDS's IGI and VRI databases which have pretty good coverage for Mexican parish records. However, knowing where to look is key.

You may have to order some films and look for the marriage/baptism document manually. For the mid, late 1800s the parish records often have indices at the beginning of each book and often baptism records list grandparents' names which allow getting back multiple generations at a time.

http://www.familysearch.org
http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1082

Also look in the Files section of the site under Reference Materials... there are a couple of guides to doing genealogical research in Mexico. You will have to learn some basic Spanish to read records, but it is not daunting... and a bit of paleography, which becomes more important the further you go back in time as handwriting becomes harder and harder to read.

Chris, welcome to the Nuestros Ranchos Research group.

You brought back memories for me. My grandparents always told us to speak English, that we were Americans. They never guessed that loosing the language from the old country would one day hinder my search for our ancestors. They came stateside from Jerez Zacatecas in 1916 to escape the revolution when it hit their village.

In doing research I've learned Spanish and even went to Mexico for 30 days in 2003 with a Spanish speaking relative who was also helping me read records in Spanish from the Family History Center. I've learned more than I ever thought I would in 10 years of researching in Mexico through the Familysearch forum. My only advice to you is not to let the lack of speaking Spanish stop you in your search. The language translators online work great too as well as asking the group for help.

When I started doing reseach the stories started coming out. I found my grandfather was a bootlegger and had kidnapped my grandmother for marriage when her boyfriend kidnapped his girlfriend! After so many years it's now a funny story instead of a family secret.

Good luck in your search,
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett Wa.

Chris Goodson wrote:
Hi

I am new to the group although I have been doing research for many years. I have been successful with my mothers European ancestry search, but I had no idea how to begin research for my family in Mexico. ( I do not speak Spanish as my father believed we should only speak English)

My grandfather was Salvador Bernal born in Zaceteca Mexico in 1905. His mother (Antonia Cano b1881 in Mexico) brought him and his brother and sister to California, shortly after his birth. His father was Cresencio Bernal and there are many stories about him being a train robber. Antonia Cano's parents were Felipe Cano and Tirburcia Martinez. There is also references to the family having some French heritage through this line.
I do not have any other information on the family. I would appreciate any help as I have no idea where to start looking.

Chris

Hi Marge! It's Daniel. I can help you with this. My family also has a "legit" one.

COuple Questions:

What is his name?
Family Name?
Year?
What event?

Almost all the "Altenos families of Jalisco came from powerful families and had arms like the Esparzas and ROmos.

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Some points made on this. Just had to put my two cents in as this subject intrigues me. The old Testament is made up of extensive genealogies. Adam was supposed to have lived 500 + years I believe. It seems these earlier men lived a long time and over time our life span decreased. It says in the Bible modern man's lifespan in 120 years. Just recently, I have heard some scientists say there is no reason why we cannot all live to 120. Hmmm. Also, we have changed calendar systems a few times and there is a debate on how many years b.c. that Adam was created.

Anyway there has long been a debate between science and religion. In a college Great Issues class, I studied this subject. If any one is interested, there are a couple of articles, one written by Galileo and the other by Albert Einstein that really debate the subject intelligently: They are "Letter to Madame Christina of Lorraine, Grand Duchess of Tuscany" is Galileo and his take is that when there is a conflict between science and the Bible, it usually is because the Bible is interpreted incorrectly and the Bible never speaks an untruth. That among other things, it is an article worth reading. Einstein's is "Out of My Later Years" his chapter on Science and Religion. Einstein believed that science aids religion and no matter the findings of science, there is alway a place for religion. Anyway two great articles and a must read if you are interested in the subject.

There was no exclusion of either evolution or theology in my extensive Catholic school education. Man's intelligence is intended to question, learn, and better the world.

--- mormonboy74@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Daniel Mendez
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:12:35 -0700

i was referring to a genalogical sense about what we have from the bible. I believe the Adam and Eve story. I always support the opinion that science and religion should not be joined together because one always wants to disprove the other. -Daniel
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I prefer Family Tree Maker, seems easier to work with than Heritage.

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From: Loulou_R

>
> I was wondering if there are any My Heritage software users? If so, can you
> please describe your experience with the program, including any success with
> Smart Matches. Thanks.
>
> Loulou

Daniel:

The Garcia Cubas atlas of Mexico of 1858 is the most beautiful and comprehensive geographical works of Mexico from the 19th century. There is a two leaf compilation for each state which includes economic, demographic and geographic information around a color map of the state.

You can find the Jalico map from the atlas online at David Rumsey Digital Map Collection:

http://www.davidrumsey.com

Do a keyword search for Jalisco.

It lists the population of the canton of La Barca at 106,868 with the population of the municipality of La Barca within that canton at 52,747 and the population of Tepatitlan within that canton at 54,121.

I hope that helps.

If you order the film it should include her Grandparents even more since it's Jalisco
>From their you might be able to find her grandparents' marriages and keep extending
etc. I always tell myself even one generation that I can extend is precious. -Daniel
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Yo no se nada Sandrita.

--- On Mon, 6/2/08, sandragomezmendoza wrote:

From: sandragomezmendoza
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Luisa González Hernández
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 8:41 PM

Hello all,

A few weeks ago I posted this question but received no response. Anyone have
any info on Maria Luisa Gonzales Hernandez from Corazon de Jesus, Tecolotlan?

Thanks!

*****************************

Hola a todos!

Hace unas semanas hice esta pregunta y sigo sin recibir respuesta. Alguien
tiene alguna informacion sobre Maria Luisa Gonzales Hernandes de Corazon de
Jesus, Tecolotlan?

Gracias!

Maria Luisa Gonzales Hernandes
Christened/Bautizada: 22 Jun 1851 Corazon de Jesus, Tecolotlan, Jalisco

Daniel Francisoc Briones

Do you have any information about the Mora family from Jalisco, or Camarena or Lopez families.

Adelaida Lopez Camarena
Miguel Mora
Juan Lopes

Sorry I didn't see Sacramento on the list but Berkeley is not far:

Location Library Code
US,NC BAKER & TAYLOR INC TECH SERV & PROD DEV BTCTA
US,AZ ARIZONA STATE MUS LIBR ZP4
US,AZ ARIZONA STATE UNIV AZS
US,CA LOS ANGELES PUB LIBR LPU
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO CUS
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, SANTA BARBARA CUT
US,DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC
US,FL UNIV OF W FLORIDA FWA
US,IN ALLEN CNTY PUB LIBR IMF
US,LA NORTHWESTERN STATE UNIV OF LOUISIANA LNW
US,LA TULANE UNIV LRU
US,MI PUBLIC LIBR OF SAGINAW ZS3
US,MO MID-CONTINENT PUB LIBR CMI
US,NM ALBUQUERQUE/BERNALILLO CNTY LIBR QUE
US,TX ANGELO STATE UNIV LIBR ANG
US,TX BAYLOR UNIV IYU
US,TX CORPUS CHRISTI PUB LIBR CCA
US,TX DALLAS PUB LIBR IGA
US,TX EL PASO PUB LIBR TXP
US,TX FORT BEND CNTY LIBR FTX
US,TX HOUSTON PUB LIBR TXN
US,TX LONGVIEW PUB LIBR FT6
US,TX MIDLAND CNTY PUB LIBR MCY
US,TX MONTGOMERY CNTY MEM LIBR SYST QS2
US,TX SAN ANTONIO PUB LIBR SAP
US,TX TEXAS A&M INT UNIV TLS
US,TX TEXAS A&M UNIV TXA
US,TX TEXAS STATE LIBR & ARCHIVES COMN IKM
US,TX TEXAS TECH UNIV ILU
US,TX UNIV OF TEXAS AT ARLINGTON IUA
US,TX UNIV OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN IXA
US,TX UNIV OF TEXAS AT SAN ANTONIO TXJ
US,TX UNIV OF TEXAS, PAN AM TPN
US,TX VICTORIA PUB LIBR TVP
US,UT BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIV LIBR UBY
US,WI UNIV OF WISCONSIN, MADISON, GEN LIBR SYS GZM

Title: Index to the marriage investigations of the Diocese of
Guadalajara pertaining to the former provinces of Coahuila, Nuevo León,
Nuevo Santander, and Téxas /
Author(s): Guerra, Raúl J.
Vásquez, Nadine M.
Vela, Baldomero.
Publication: [United States] : R.J. Guerra,
Year: 1989-
Description: v. <1- > : ill. ; 28 cm.
Language: English
Contents: v. 1. 1653-1750.
Standard No: LCCN: 90-93092
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Marriage records -- Mexico -- Bibliography -- Catalogs.
Marriage records -- Texas -- Bibliography -- Catalogs.
Named Corp: Catholic Church. Diocese of Guadalajara (Mexico) --
Archives -- Catalogs.
Geographic: Mexico -- Genealogy -- Bibliography -- Catalogs.
Texas -- Genealogy -- Bibliography -- Catalogs.
Note(s): Includes bibliographical references and index.
Class Descriptors: LC: CD3678.G82; Dewey: 929/.372
Responsibility: compiled and edited by Raúl J. Guerra, Jr., Nadine
M. Vásquez, and Baldomero Vela, Jr.
Vendor Info: Baker and Taylor (BTCP)
Document Type: Book
Entry: 19900813
Update: 20061126
Accession No: OCLC: 22200002
Database: WorldCat

mcortez wrote:
> To all those interested in a book of marriage dispensations from
> Guadalajara, there is another book called "Index to the Marriage
> Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara, 1653 - 1750" by Raul Guerra,
> Nadine Vazquez and Baldomera Vela Jr., Edinburg, Texas 1989, Library of
> Congress catalog card number: 90-93092.
>
> This book is also out of print. I believe it is written in English, but I
> don't have a copy. Does anyone out there have one?
>
> Maria
>

For those of you, who are impatient on waiting for microfilms. I usually go
to the FHL in Salt Lake once a month. If you would like, email me your
lookups, and I can do them.

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From: general@nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ordering copies of documents through Salt Lake
City
Date: 06/01/08 04:24

>
> Due to the slow turn around time at Salt Lake for ordering microfilm. I
have started to order the documents I need. It takes about 2 weeks to get
the copies. I ordered 3 microfilmed rolls and now it's been over 2 months.
They are running very far behind....I had heard about 6 months behind.
> I first check familysearch.org and obtain the necessary information on the
person I want the document on and use form: "Request for
Photocopies-Census Records, Books, Microfilm, or Microfiche"
>
> The form can be downloaded from:
http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?cat…
>
> The item # is: 31768000
>
> Hope this information is helpful for those who are new or those like me
who are inpatient. I still would like to see the film....but I get antsy.
>
> Happy New Month
>
> Rose

I have been told by church members that they are not concentrating on copying the microfilms so much, but are trying to get everything digitized. My cousin waited 6 months for a film he ordered in November, he finally received it about a week ago....I dare say that we may be all in the same boat. I did receive one film within two weeks, but probably due to the fact I had ordered it before. Let's just keep our fingers crossed....in the mean time I too am working on another book and ordering documents for my other cousin who has Aguascalientes relations...just got to keep busy.

Rose :-)

Gloria,

Of course it helps ¡¡

I am realizing that genealogical research is both a piece-meal and a team
venture. Little by little...

Muchas Gracias ¡¡

Felipe Michel Olmo

>From: Gloria
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MICHEL: Pio MICHEL, more information
>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:07:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
>
>For Felipe and anyone else researching the very tangled web of the much
>intermarried MICHEL family, here are two more children of Don Pio MICHEL
>Avila and his wife doña Gabriela:
>
>Rafael MICHEL born about 1855, I haven't found his baptism.
>From #655614, Marriage Information, Autlan:
>Rafael MICHEL, hijo legitimo de Don Pio MICHEL y Da. Gabriela BECERRA,
>con Da. Josefa GONZALEZ, hl de Don Vicente GONZALEZ y Da. Juana MICHEL,
>ella difunta. In the IGI marriage for Rafael her name is written CONZALEZ.
>
>Also - Maria MICHEL, born about 1861.
>From #211994, Civil Marriages, Autlan, 14 May 1876
>Zacarias SANTOS, no indigena, 18, soltero, labrador de Ahuacapan; hl de
>Jose SANTOS y Mauricia VIDRIO, ya finados. Con Da. María MICHEL, no
>indígena, 15, soltera, hl de Don Pio MICHEL y Gabriela BECERRA que viven.
>TESTIGOS: Leocadio RAMIREZ, 39, talabartero [saddler or harness maker]
>Ascención RUELAS, 25, zapatero
>Porfirio MICHEL, 28, propietario
>Felix LISOLA, 35, Jornalero
>
>In 1873 Don Pio MICHEL's occupation was labrador. He was a witness to the
>second marriage of his cousin Ramon Mariano MICHEL Corona, 70, to Da.
>Leandra LOPEZ Gutierres, 71. Ramon Mariano's first wife was Da. Jesus
>ARIAS.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Gloria Delgado
>
>
>
>

at the home page there is a "forgot password?" prompt I think when you try to log on. It'll e-mail you the password.

Jose Carlos de Leon