There has been some discussion about this book in the past and though
those of you near one of these libraries might want to have a look:
Location Library Code
US,CA CALIFORNIA STATE LIBR-SUTRO LIBR SUTRO
I am.
I am researching San Juan de Ahorcados and the hacienda de La Grunidora. Have not had much luck in some respects.
Elvira
_____________________________________________________________
Tired of going to the post office? Click for home mailing solution.
Hello,
Is anyone doing any research in the Mazapil, Zacatecas area? Especially in the Estacion Camacho, Grunidora area.
Jonathan
Hello-
I am very excited to be part of the group and share my search with
others and hopefully help others in theirs.
I am researching my maternal line and the ancestor I am researching is:
Josepha Macias b. abt. 1820 and married 1847 to Jose Quirino Anaya in
Hi Stephanie, I am Daniel Méndez del Camino, Welcome to our wonderful and hardworking group. I hope you'll enjoy being part of this family. I am familiar with some of your surnames in my research in Los Altos region. García de León is one almost all of has has connection to. I would say the easiest would be García and Hermosillo since they are very well documented families extending their genealogy as far as the 16th century. Most of the research is done for these families, you just need to connect to the "big tree" probably ca. 1690-1720 or so then you'll connect hopefully.
I've found some names maybe you have them or not. You may have notice the María on Josefa. It was custom for catholics in México to be baptized as José or María depending on gender then their "first name" and then middle name" followed by there compound surname, then at least in our family would put the last name of the ancestor if the baby was named after.
i.e. María de Jesús del Camino y García Vásquez
HAve you tried ordering the films for these children? Im sure they include their grandparents post-1812.
Father: José Quirino Anaya, Mother: María Josefa MaciasExact Spelling: Off
1. JOSE LEON ANAYA MACIAS - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 22 MAY 1848 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
2. TEOTILA ANAYA MACIAS - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 04 OCT 1863 Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
1. MARIA PEREGRINA ANAYA MACIAS - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 25 NOV 1854 Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
2. MARIA RALLO ANAYA MASIAS - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 12 MAR 1851 Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
I also found one of their children marrying in México D.F. Their age difference is quite interesting; at least for my experience. I also did find your same record of Quirino's marriage in 1847. I think youll have to order that to find their parents.
Jovita ANAYA
Age At Marriage: 39
Sex:
Event(s):
Birth: <1853>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Quirino ANAYA
Mother: Josefa MACIAS
Marriage:
Spouse: Balbino DAVALOS
Age At Marriage: 26
Marriage: 16 Jul 1892
Place: Cuauhtemoc, Distrito Federal, Mexico
Balbino DAVALOS
Age At Marriage: 26
Sex:
Event(s):
Birth: <1866>
Place: Colima
Parents:
Father: Mariano DAVALOS
Mother: Crescenciana PONCE
Marriage:
Spouse: Jovita ANAYA
Age At Marriage: 39
Marriage: 16 Jul 1892
Place: Cuauhtemoc, Distrito Federal, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch Number: M619861
Source Dates: 1866 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 206008
Collection Details: San Miguel Arcangel; Catolica
Source Information:
Batch Number: M619861
Source Dates: 1866 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 206008
Collection Details: San Miguel Arcangel; Catolica
I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU IN SOME WAY! I HOPE TO GET TO YOU KNOW YOU IN THE FUTURE! -DANIEL MéNDEZ DEL CAMINO
P.S. HOW DO YOU CONNECT TO THE AVELLANEDAS? THEIR OF SPANISH NOBILITY. THEY BECAME LORDS OF AVELLANEDA ABT 40 YEARS BEFORE THE CONQUEST. MORE RECENT THAN OTHER OF OUR FAMILIES. CA. 1470. IT USE TO BE DE OCHOA BUT TOOK ON
"DE AVELLANEDA" AS THEIR NEW SURNAME. THEY MARRIED INTO THE ARELLANOS AND ZúñIGA FAMILIES IN SPAIN BEFORE COMING TO THE KNEW WORLD AT LEAST SOME OF THEIR MEMBERS NOT ALL OF THEM. ALMOST ALL SPANISH SETTLERS IN THE NEW WORLD CAME FROM POWERFUL NOBLE FAMILIES.
_________________________________________________________________
E-mail for the greater good. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft.
http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood
Dear Maureen:
Tank You for your interest in our family investigation.
I want very much the copy of marriage of Teodoro Gutierrez
with Petra Jauregui, and all data about your Family and Teodoro-Petra
Hola a todos, alguien me podría decir lo que significa la anotación de
expuesto que ponían en las fes de bautismo? Lo he encontrado en algunos
documentos de fines del siglo 17 a principios del 19. Gracias!
Rik, como has estado primo?
Expuestos son los niños que abandonaban en las puertas de las casas de los vecinos del lugar o haciendas, la mayoría de las veces en las iglesias, tambien eran llamados Hijos de la Iglesia, fue una práctica muy común desde el siglo XVI, algunas veces son registrados como hijos de padres no conocidos, fue su padrino fulano de tal o fulana de tal, esos niños, si sobrevivían, casi siempre tomaban el apellido de sus padrinos.
Esta lamentable práctica se acentúaba en las épocas de hambrunas y epidemias. Indiscutiblemente el mestizaje -o mejor dicho la intolerancia de las familias- entre distintos grupos raciales y orígenes sociales fue determinante para abandonar a los pequeños hijos fruto de éstas relaciones.
El área que he estudiado (Alcaldias Mayores de Sultepec, Temascaltepec y Tejupilco en el Estado de México) fue de pueblos matlazincas conquistados por los aztecas en el reinado de Axayacatl, aproximadamente 1475, pero establecidos en la región desde el 600, más tarde conquistados por Andres de Tapia en 1522 y desde entonces en convivencia no tan pacífica con los encomenderos y nuevos vecinos españoles merecedores de Mercedes Reales en tierras limítrofes con los multiples pueblos indígenas. Desde entonces comienzan a abandonar a los bebes que muchas veces son al ojo del cura "españoles" o mestizos pero no he encontrado en el siglo XVI niños expuestos o hijos de la Iglesia Indios, pues si quedaban huerfanos de padres la familia y comunidad indígena los protegía. a principios del XVII si hay Hijos de la Iglesia y expuestos pero sólo en haciendas niños mulatos o negros, seguramente hijos de algúna india abusada por un esclavo o de una esclava abusada por un español. Esoy escribiendo un libro sobre historia demográfica y racial en esta región desde 1600 hasta 1900, espero terminarlo en 2 años (llevo 6 trabajando en él).
Hasta pronto.
Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
_________________________________________________________________
Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por MSN in concert
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-mx
Gracias primo. Lo que pasa es que en una de las actas de un ancestro mío
dice que Bentura Fernández fue "expuesto en la casa de Miguel de los Santos,
criado del Señor Presidente y Gobernador de Este Reino, fue padrino Don
Bentura Fernández. Voy a tener que investigar quien era el Gobernador de La
Nueva Galicia en 1694.
Cuando termines tu libro me dices para ser de los primeros en comprártelo.
Te cuidas
Ricardo
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Rodolfo
Sinai Gomez
Enviado el: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:05 AM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] recien nacidos "expuestos"
Rik, como has estado primo?
Expuestos son los niños que abandonaban en las puertas de las casas de los
vecinos del lugar o haciendas, la mayoría de las veces en las iglesias,
tambien eran llamados Hijos de la Iglesia, fue una práctica muy común desde
el siglo XVI, algunas veces son registrados como hijos de padres no
conocidos, fue su padrino fulano de tal o fulana de tal, esos niños, si
sobrevivían, casi siempre tomaban el apellido de sus padrinos.
Esta lamentable práctica se acentúaba en las épocas de hambrunas y
epidemias. Indiscutiblemente el mestizaje -o mejor dicho la intolerancia de
las familias- entre distintos grupos raciales y orígenes sociales fue
determinante para abandonar a los pequeños hijos fruto de éstas relaciones.
El área que he estudiado (Alcaldias Mayores de Sultepec, Temascaltepec y
Tejupilco en el Estado de México) fue de pueblos matlazincas conquistados
por los aztecas en el reinado de Axayacatl, aproximadamente 1475, pero
establecidos en la región desde el 600, más tarde conquistados por Andres de
Tapia en 1522 y desde entonces en convivencia no tan pacífica con los
encomenderos y nuevos vecinos españoles merecedores de Mercedes Reales en
tierras limítrofes con los multiples pueblos indígenas. Desde entonces
comienzan a abandonar a los bebes que muchas veces son al ojo del cura
"españoles" o mestizos pero no he encontrado en el siglo XVI niños expuestos
o hijos de la Iglesia Indios, pues si quedaban huerfanos de padres la
familia y comunidad indígena los protegía. a principios del XVII si hay
Hijos de la Iglesia y expuestos pero sólo en haciendas niños mulatos o
negros, seguramente hijos de algúna india abusada por un esclavo o de una
esclava abusada por un español. Esoy escribiendo un libro sobre historia
demográfica y racial en esta región desde 1600 hasta 1900, espero terminarlo
en 2 años (llevo 6 trabajando en él).
Hasta pronto.
Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
_________________________________________________________________
Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por MSN in concert
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-mx
Hola Rick,
La expresión "expuesto" que has encontrado en los archivos parroquiales
significa que el niño de que se trata había sido adoptado por alguna familia
que no era la suya propia. Muchas de estos niños eran huérfanos y en
algunos casos, hijos de madres no casadas que los habían entregado a la
Iglesia para que les buscara un hogar. Decir que un niño era "expuesto a
las puertas" de alguna persona significaba que esa persona se había hecho
responsable por el sustento, vestido y educación del niño. Si al
bautizarlos todavía no tenían padres adoptivos, se les llamaba "hijos de la
Iglesia".
Bill Figueroa
Bill,
muchas gracias por la explicacion tan detallada. Eso aclara muchas cosas.
cYa que estamos en este tema, Cual crees que haya sido la razón por la que
hubo tantos "hijos de la iglesia", porque en las actas dice que eran hijos
de padres no conocidos. Crees que a estos recién nacidos les haya ido mejor
en la sociedad al no saber quiénes fueron sus verdaderos padres? Ya ves con
lo de la discriminación que existía aquí en La Nueva España hacia las
personas que no eran criollas o peninsulares.
Rick
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Bill
Figueroa
Enviado el: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:09 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] recien nacidos "expuestos"
Hola Rick,
La expresión "expuesto" que has encontrado en los archivos parroquiales
significa que el niño de que se trata había sido adoptado por alguna familia
que no era la suya propia. Muchas de estos niños eran huérfanos y en
algunos casos, hijos de madres no casadas que los habían entregado a la
Iglesia para que les buscara un hogar. Decir que un niño era "expuesto a
las puertas" de alguna persona significaba que esa persona se había hecho
responsable por el sustento, vestido y educación del niño. Si al
bautizarlos todavía no tenían padres adoptivos, se les llamaba "hijos de la
Iglesia".
Bill Figueroa
Hi again Rick,
Just realized you are in El Valle -- so maybe email would be better - ha ha.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Marilyn :)
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
If you want to share your DNA results and look for matches, you may publish them for free online in several databases. Here are a couple of examples:
For Y-DNA you may go to http://www.ysearch.org/
Thank-you for the information on the BYU Immigration Records site. I
checked it out, but did not have any luck with finding any records on my
ancestor, Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa.
Corrine Ardoin
This is a reminder to the SoCal members that our meeting is scheduled for this coming Saturday at 10:00 AM. Please make an effort to attend. It is a good opportunity to meet fellow members and exchange information.
Hi John:
I am sorry but I will not be able to attend after all. But thank you for
inviting us.
Thank you,
Aida Garralda
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Meeting reminder
> Hi:
>
> This is a reminder to the SoCal members that our meeting is scheduled for
> this coming Saturday at 10:00 AM. Please make an effort to attend. It is
> a good opportunity to meet fellow members and exchange information.
> Some of the items you might consider bringing to the meeting are:
> Notebook, Laptop computer, if you have one, memory stick, whatever books
> and/or notes you would like to share with other members, any other items
> you might feel are appropriate.
>
> Here is the address:
>
> 24017 Esmeralda Court
> Wildomar, CA. 92595
> Phone: 951-304-3082
> 1gnzlz@verizon.net
>
> If you are not familiar with the area, I suggest you go to Mapquest.com,
> type in the address and get a copy of the map.
> GoogleEarth.com is another good place to look up the location.
>
> If you have any questions between today and Saturday, please e-mail me
> directly: 1gnzlz@verizon.net.
>
> If you get lost, give me a call.
>
> Thank you.
> John Gonzalez.
Hi Aida:
Sorry to hear that you won't be able to make it to this meeting. I am
pretty sure there will other meetings later on. Try to make it to the next
one, we would like to see you there.
John Gonzalez
=========================================================================================
> Hi John:
>
> I am sorry but I will not be able to attend after all. But thank you for
> inviting us.
On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:
> This is for experts on DNA out there:
>
> I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the
> results be exactly the same?
Hello, Linda,
THANKS!!!
JUANITA
Linda wrote:
On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:
> This is for experts on DNA out there:
>
> I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the
> results be exactly the same?
> If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance
> that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a
> EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line
> Juanita
Hi Juanita,
Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother,
grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA
is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters
then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA)
There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and
heteroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.
As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on
what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA
female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your
mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the
mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The
parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable
Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers.
That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.
If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother"
somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA.
If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her
European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your
mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA
(and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).
If you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that
matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA-
NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will
answer your questions on this list.
Linda
LINDA!
I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that Juanita had.
Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a female?
Sofia
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:55:51 -0700> From: missjuanni13@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > Hello, Linda,> > THANKS!!!> > JUANITA> > Linda wrote:> > On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:> > > This is for experts on DNA out there:> >> > I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the > > results be exactly the same?> > If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance > > that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a > > EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line> > Juanita> > Hi Juanita,> Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother, > grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA > is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters > then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA) > There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and > het
eroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.> > As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on > what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA > female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your > mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the > mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The > parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable > Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers. > That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.> > If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother" > somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA. > If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her > European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your > mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA > (and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).> > I
f you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that > matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA- > NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will > answer your questions on this list.> > Linda> >
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Linda,
I'm looking at several sites like Nt Geo., Human Genetics.com, etc. Needless to say, anything having to do with DNA is most,most interesting and QUITE intriguing,and acutally difficult for the average Jane/Joe to understand no matter how "easy" it is put. There are many technical terms that are just foreign to the average Jane/Joe . I think I was just trying to get a a quick general answer.
However, the more you read on the subject the more you begin to "understand" some of it. Some sites have pages and pages of explanations/information. I think I have the "basic" idea pertaining to my results. I was sorry to learn that I have no matches now.
,
Thanks for anyinformation you give me.
Juanita
sophia wrote:
LINDA!
I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that Juanita had.
Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a female?
Sofia
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:55:51 -0700> From: missjuanni13@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > Hello, Linda,> > THANKS!!!> > JUANITA> > Linda wrote:> > On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:> > > This is for experts on DNA out there:> >> > I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the > > results be exactly the same?> > If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance > > that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a > > EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line> > Juanita> > Hi Juanita,> Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother, > grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA > is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters > then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA) > There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and > het
eroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.> > As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on > what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA > female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your > mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the > mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The > parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable > Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers. > That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.> > If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother" > somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA. > If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her > European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your > mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA > (and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).> > I
f you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that > matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA- > NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will > answer your questions on this list.> > Linda> >
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
To test for the male line (y-chromosome), a male must be tested. The test could be done on your brother, father, uncle or sons of your uncles. Jan
sophia wrote:
LINDA!
I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that Juanita had.
Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a female?
Sofia
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:55:51 -0700> From: missjuanni13@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > Hello, Linda,> > THANKS!!!> > JUANITA> > Linda wrote:> > On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:> > > This is for experts on DNA out there:> >> > I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the > > results be exactly the same?> > If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance > > that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a > > EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line> > Juanita> > Hi Juanita,> Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother, > grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA > is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters > then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA) > There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and > het
eroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.> > As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on > what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA > female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your > mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the > mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The > parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable > Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers. > That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.> > If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother" > somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA. > If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her > European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your > mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA > (and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).> > I
f you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that > matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA- > NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will > answer your questions on this list.> > Linda> >
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Juanita,
What were your mtDNA test results? Plus what are the surnames that appear in your direct mtDNA ancestry?
My husband's mtDNA test results will be ready on about May 26th...
Surnames that appear in his direct line mtDNA are Perez, Andrada, Aguirre, Placencia, Lara Rodrigues, Rodrigues.
His YDNA tested out as Native American...
Pat Silva Corbera
Juanita you posted the following...
> However, the more you read on the subject the more you begin to "understand"
> some of it. Some sites have pages and pages of explanations/information. I think
> I have the "basic" idea pertaining to my results. I was sorry to learn that I
> have no matches now.
> Thanks for any information you give me.
> Juanita
Hi, Pat,
I'll talk to you tomorrow. I need to close now.
Juanita
PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net wrote:
Juanita,
What were your mtDNA test results? Plus what are the surnames that appear in your direct mtDNA ancestry?
My husband's mtDNA test results will be ready on about May 26th...
Surnames that appear in his direct line mtDNA are Perez, Andrada, Aguirre, Placencia, Lara Rodrigues, Rodrigues.
His YDNA tested out as Native American...
Pat Silva Corbera
Juanita you posted the following...
> However, the more you read on the subject the more you begin to "understand"
> some of it. Some sites have pages and pages of explanations/information. I think
> I have the "basic" idea pertaining to my results. I was sorry to learn that I
> have no matches now.
> Thanks for any information you give me.
> Juanita
Hi, Pat,
Glad to share my results with you and actually the world if that would give me more information.
Unfortunately, my known mothers only go back to my great-grandmother. That's like yesterday. I have not been able to get beyond her. Her death records does not show her parents, so "the buck stops there", so to speak.
My mother's maiden name is TAMAYO, my grandmother's is GARCIA and my great-grandmohter's is either FLORES, BALDONADO or MALDONADO, from NE MEXICO.
As is well known, sometimes the test will raise more questions than it will give answers, and while I was not 100% satisfied, I am content with the findings. The reason I am not 100% satisfied is because my dna does not show a specific group/tribe, if you will; I would have been content even if I had tested APACHE! I know of some people whose dna has taken them directly to a specific group and specific geographical region.
So, my results were: I am in HAPLOGROUP A, one of the 4 groups that date back to PRE-COLUMBIAN times in the AMERICAS! Experts estimate that this group A "originated"
in EASTERN EURASIA . It is still found there and THROUGOUT the AMERICAS. THIS GROUP WAS PRESENT IN THE POPULATIONS THAT INITIALLY COLONIZED THE PRE-
COLUMBIAN AMERICAS AND, AND, DATES TO AT LEAST 30 THOUSAND YEARS!!!
On the flip side:
No matches were found for me, meaning I believe that no female descendant of all those hundreds and hundreds of mothers have tested?
I'm submitting my results to other sites, so who knows? Will keep you posted.
Incidently, I got a notice/invitation from the Gen.Soc. of Norte de Mexico to participate in a
"mouth wash" - GENETIRINSE test - FREE. You send in 4 generations - they provide the form on their site and send it in. It does take long to get the results about 6 months.
I tried sending it to Joseph for his comment but I don;'t think it got through.
Regards,
Juanita
PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net wrote:
Juanita,
What were your mtDNA test results? Plus what are the surnames that appear in your direct mtDNA ancestry?
My husband's mtDNA test results will be ready on about May 26th...
Surnames that appear in his direct line mtDNA are Perez, Andrada, Aguirre, Placencia, Lara Rodrigues, Rodrigues.
His YDNA tested out as Native American...
Pat Silva Corbera
Juanita you posted the following...
> However, the more you read on the subject the more you begin to "understand"
> some of it. Some sites have pages and pages of explanations/information. I think
> I have the "basic" idea pertaining to my results. I was sorry to learn that I
> have no matches now.
> Thanks for any information you give me.
> Juanita
Hi Juanita,
Thank you for replying to my question about your mtDNA test results... It is so true that many times, test results end in more questions than answers.
As soon as my husband's mtDNA test results are received I will post them on NR, until then, thank you...
Pat Silva Corbera
-------------- Original message --------------
From: juanita delgado
> Hi, Pat,
> Glad to share my results with you and actually the world if that would give me
> more information.
Thank you Jan!
I found a DNA test on the web that is called Autosomal-DNA. Supposibly a female can take this test if she has no males in her family. Has anyone heard of this test and if so, how much info can it give you to know about your father's line?
Sophia> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:48:23 -0700> From: janjaeckle@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > To test for the male line (y-chromosome), a male must be tested. The test could be done on your brother, father, uncle or sons of your uncles. Jan
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
On May 19, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Sofia wrote:
> I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that
> Juanita had.
> Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do
> with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a
> female?
>
> Sofia
Hi Sofia,
For a female to trace her male line, she must enlist the help of a
male descendant of her father. That means she must test either her
brother, her brother's son. She can also test her father's brother
or her father's brother's son (her male cousin on her father's
side). My brother was kind enough to submit his Y-DNA for my research.
Linda
OK. I want to make sure I understand this. I have not quite looked into
this but have been curious. I am an only child (female) of my father whom
died many years ago. I never knew anyone from my father's family; he lost
contact with them as a teenager. There is a slim chance I will ever find
them. From this am I to gather that there is NO DNA test that I can take
that will help in my father's genealogy?
Ann Rubio Valdez
Sugar Land, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Linda
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:25 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question
On May 19, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Sofia wrote:
> I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that
> Juanita had.
> Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do
> with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a
> female?
>
> Sofia
Hi Sofia,
For a female to trace her male line, she must enlist the help of a
male descendant of her father. That means she must test either her
brother, her brother's son. She can also test her father's brother
or her father's brother's son (her male cousin on her father's
side). My brother was kind enough to submit his Y-DNA for my research.
Linda
Hello Ann,
With my questions that I have asked here and the ones I asked Family Tree DNA the responce is "no". We cannot trace our father's line if there is no male.
Sophia> From: annvaldez@earthlink.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:53:36 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > OK. I want to make sure I understand this. I have not quite looked into> this but have been curious. I am an only child (female) of my father whom> died many years ago. I never knew anyone from my father's family; he lost> contact with them as a teenager. There is a slim chance I will ever find> them. From this am I to gather that there is NO DNA test that I can take> that will help in my father's genealogy? > > Ann Rubio Valdez> Sugar Land, Texas>
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Sophia,
When considering a genetic test to learn about your ancestral past, do this: think about the fan you can make showing all your ancestors as you know them.
The fan begins with you as one point. Then it becomes two for your parents, then four for your grandparents, eight for your great-grandparents, 16, 32, 64, etc. If you are lucky enough to have an ancestor fan with 64 end points, then you probably noticed that these people are not the same by race or place of origin. Some may come from Europe: Spain, England, etc. Some may come from the Americas. Some may come from Africa, or Asia.
So suppose you really have 64 points. Suppose you count & 20% of them come from the Americas, 10% from Africa, 10% from Asia & the rest, 60%, from Europe. Then suppose that of the European ancestors, half are from Spain. So you are a mosaic & thats exciting. You can do an autosomal DNA test to get results like this. There are several companies. They can give you information because they have done thousands of tests & have a very large database.
There is nothing in your DNA that tells about place of origin, but you can compare your DNA with people in a specific location & look for similarities. Thats where the database comes in.
But now go back to the fan. If you are female, start with yourself, then move to your mother, then to her mother, then to her mother, etc until you get to the end of the female line, as you know it. Because of a lucky accident of biology, you & all of these women have some DNA that is exactly the same. This is not autosomal, it is mitochondrial DNA & it passes unchanged from mother to children. So if you do a test for your mDNA & put it in a mDNA database, you can see where that specific piece of DNA apparently came from.
Now suppose your mDNA came from Asia, but when you look at your fan, or at your autosomal DNA test, you see that you are only 10% Asian. Thats ityou are only 10% Asianit just so happens that one of your Asian ancestors was part of your female line. So you know something interesting, but it doesnt define what you are entirely. It is just a part, in fact a very small part.
The same is true of the male line that can be followed by the y-chromosome test. It gives you only one point on the fan. I think that the male-line test is interesting because males keep their names & if your name is Jones you can see where the original Jones came from. But remember that he is only one point on your ancestor fan.
Jan
sophia wrote:
Thank you Jan!
I found a DNA test on the web that is called Autosomal-DNA. Supposibly a female can take this test if she has no males in her family. Has anyone heard of this test and if so, how much info can it give you to know about your father's line?
Sophia> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:48:23 -0700> From: janjaeckle@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > To test for the male line (y-chromosome), a male must be tested. The test could be done on your brother, father, uncle or sons of your uncles. Jan
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
On May 20, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Ann Rubio Valdez wrote:
> From this am I to gather that there is NO DNA test that I can take
> that will help in my father's genealogy?
>
> Ann Rubio Valdez
> Sugar Land, Texas
Hi Ann,
Sophia is correct that there is no Genealogical DNA test a female can
take to trace her male line. The DNA used for Genealogical purposes
is too specific as to the sex of the individual. You can have a
complete autosomal DNA test run, but I'm not sure if it will tell you
what you want to know. It is very expensive and the results will
include medical information. It is generally not done for
genealogy. Most Y-DNA and mtDNA testing is done to aid in tracing a
family line. It won't tell you who your parents are but it will tell
you where your ancient family was. It is used to help differentiate
between different family lines of people with the same names. It can
also tell if your DNA does not fit into the family line you thought
you fit into. It is deep ancestry research that needs a good paper
trail as a foundation for genealogy research. It's not the "end all"
in researching your genealogy.
I understand your frustration in not being able to add DNA to your
box of research tools. I had the same problem in trying to find my
mother's male line. After a few years of looking, I found the son of
her father's brother who agreed to test for me. He is my first
cousin once removed. My mother's father's Haplogroup is R1b1b2, a
European group so common that it is constantly being refined to help
differentiate between different groups. Each refinement means
additional tests at additional cost.
My father's Haplogroup is uncommon J2b1b and I have not found a match
outside of my family. It was nice to learn my father's ancestors came
up through the "fertile crescent", through Turkey and Greece and
probably on to Spain before settling in Mexico. His Haplogroup is
common in the middle East and around the Mediterranean. I have been
able to trace his family on paper back to the early 1800's, all
having been born in Tepatitlan. Having his DNA tested gave me more
questions than answers. It is all very interesting, but won't be
important until I can trace my family back to Spain and before. If I
could find another Romero with the same Y-DNA we would probably be
related.
Linda
Jan,
Thank you again!
I did my mtDNA but was curious about the male line on my mother's side and there migration to Mexico, and I wanted to learn more of my father, but there are no males around to do the test.
I was told by Family Tree DNA that the Autosomal DNA test was mainly for finding out if your father is your father or between brothers and sisters, but if I understand you correctly, I could find out something.
It is exciting, especially when you discover something which you did not exspect, which happened to me.
Sophia
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html
joseph
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
Joseph,
Have you heard of this "mouth wash" genetic testing/program?
I was just contacted by the Soc. Gen. del N Mexico asking if I want to participate in the PROJECTO de GENEALOGIA M0LECULAR.
I will forward the letter to the group.
Juanita
Joseph Puentes wrote:
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html
joseph
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
I'm only speculating as to the meaning of "mouth wash" but I know that
the DNA sample is taken by using a mouth wash.
I'm pretty sure you just take this mouth wash and swish it around in
your mouth rather vigorously and then spit the mix back into the
container which now has your DNA in it.
another style of the test is:
You have a little stick with these plastic teeth (it looks real
harmless) and you scratch your cheek and insert the scrapper end into a
test tube and send it back to the lab.
joseph
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
juanita delgado wrote:
> Joseph,
> Have you heard of this "mouth wash" genetic testing/program?
>
> I was just contacted by the Soc. Gen. del N Mexico asking if I want to participate in the PROJECTO de GENEALOGIA M0LECULAR.
>
> I will forward the letter to the group.
>
> Juanita
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
>
> https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html
>
> joseph
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
>
>
>
Corrine, Arturo and all,
A few years ago I participated in extracting passport registers from Spain
for a project undertaken by Brigham Young University. An online, searchable
database was created for passports issued from 1790 onward. The link to the
just a test since I haven't seen anything I've sent in the last month posted.
Linda in Everett
Hi Linda,
Do you use Outlook? I do, and I never see anything that I send, but I do get
replies so I suppose everyone else does get it but me. It's probably a bug
that the program has.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de longsjourney
Enviado el: Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:55 PM
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] test
just a test since I haven't seen anything I've sent in the last month
posted.
Linda in Everett
If you send a message to the list and do not see it on the front page of the website, it is because the site identified it as a response to a previous message and posted it as a comment to that earlier message (which likely no longer appears on the front page).
If you are starting a new thread of conversation, it is imerative that you create a new message (and not reply to another message) and put a descriptive subject line, otherwise it will get lumped with others... for example, there is a 40-some odd thread of messages with no subject line, although every one of those messages is on a different topic...
I can see both of your emails, if this helps.
Gabriela> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:04:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] test> > Hi Linda,> > Do you use Outlook? I do, and I never see anything that I send, but I do get> replies so I suppose everyone else does get it but me. It's probably a bug> that the program has.> > > -----Mensaje original-----> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de longsjourney> Enviado el: Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:55 PM> Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] test> > > just a test since I haven't seen anything I've sent in the last month> posted.> > Linda in Everett> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
_________________________________________________________________
Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft.
http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause
Thanks Gaby
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Gaby Olague
Enviado el: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:50 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] test
I can see both of your emails, if this helps.
Gabriela> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:04:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] test>
> Hi Linda,> > Do you use Outlook? I do, and I never see anything that I
send, but I do get> replies so I suppose everyone else does get it but me.
It's probably a bug> that the program has.> > > -----Mensaje original----->
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
longsjourney> Enviado el: Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:55 PM> Para:
general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] test> > > just
a test since I haven't seen anything I've sent in the last month> posted.> >
Linda in Everett> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos
General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>
general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -->
Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>
general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
_________________________________________________________________
Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i'm Initiative from
Microsoft.
http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause
Hi,
I have finally decided to start searching in AER, but I have found that it
seems to no longer exist. It appears that you now have to go through a
Portal, called PARES. This I know, because when I type in the site address
Corrine:
You are correct that all of the records that used to be on AER are now accessible through PARES. The system is actually much more functional than the old one. What is the exact problem you are having?
I think the search you are doing is not going to give you any results. The Casa de Contratacion only kept track of people migrating to the Americas through the 1700s. By the mid-1800s Mexico was an independent country and therefore Spanish authorities had no control over who could migrate there. I know that for later years there are immigration records at Archivo General de la Nacion (in Mexico City) which has some records online as well, but the mid-1800s may be a lacuna in terms of available immigration records.
On May 18, 2008, at 9:35 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:
> Hola Jorge ,haber si intiendo bien el libro que busco vas estar
> incluido en el libro que dices.
> Ronnie Reynoso pariente a casi todos de Los Altos> From:
Hola Todos no saben donde puedo comprar el libro Retonos de Nueva Galicia. Does any one know where I could buy the book Retonos de Nueva Galicia.
Thank you /gracias
Ronnie Reynoso
_________________________________________________________________
Hola Ronnie, aquí en Tepatitlán los venden los dos tomos, pero yo te comento que es mejor que te esperes a que editen el nuevo libro con todos sus tomos, ya que está corregido y aumentado, pero es tu desición.
No creo que tarde mucho en editar el nuevo libro pero sabe. La obra era de 177 familias, pero ahora van a ser mas de 300 así que creo que sería mejor esperar la nueva edición.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por MSN in concert
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-mx
Hola Jorge ,haber si intiendo bien el libro que busco vas estar incluido en el libro que dices.
Ronnie Reynoso pariente a casi todos de Los Altos> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:56:27 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] RETONOS DE NUEVA GALICIA> > > Hola Ronnie, aquí en Tepatitlán los venden los dos tomos, pero yo te comento que es mejor que te esperes a que editen el nuevo libro con todos sus tomos, ya que está corregido y aumentado, pero es tu desición.> > No creo que tarde mucho en editar el nuevo libro pero sabe. La obra era de 177 familias, pero ahora van a ser mas de 300 así que creo que sería mejor esperar la nueva edición.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.> _________________________________________________________________> Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por MSN in concert> http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-mx> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
_________________________________________________________________
E-mail for the greater good. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft.
http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood
El libro que te menciono es el mismo que el anterior. Es del mismo autor y tiene el mismo nombre, solo que ahora viene mucho mas completo, con mas datos, mas fechas, mas historia, mas familias, y demás.
El libro que se va editar viene corregido y aumentado.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Tenemos lo que búscas…JUEGOS.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
Hey everyone,
I just recently wrapped up my law school finals for
the second year, so I have some time to catch up where
I left off. Specifically, I wanted to renew my
request for any information anyone may have on my
For all you DNA newbies who tested and have questions, here is a link
to a free e-book titled "I Have The Results of My Genetic Genealogy
Test, Now What?"
It is an online book that may answer your questions.
Below is my email to the Diocese of Phoenix and a reply.
What should we try next?
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From: Diskin, Rev. Michael
To: vrahorn@wydebeam.com
Sent: 12 May, 2008 10:39
Veronica:
First I want to commend you on your initiative on writing your bishop about this topic which is so important to so many of us. Your letter is very well written and addresses the salient issues.
It appears that Rev. Diskin does not address your concerns. I think that is the Catholic Church is going to cut off access to LDS institutions to film their records, they should concurrently make a commitment to preserve those records themselves and a commitment to make records accessible to those of us directly connected to the people in those records and who want to use them for historical and genealogical purposes.
Hola Compañeros del grupo de siscusion Genealogica.
Quisiera saber si alguien de ustedes tiene el dato de quienes
son los padres o ancestros de la pareja formada por Manuel
de la Helgera casado con Ana Fernandez de Palos, ellos casaron
Hola Tomás, yo tengo el dato que saqué de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia de que Manuel de la Helguera originario de Santander, España, hijo de Marcos de la Helguera y de la Cábez y de María de la Herrán. Y Ana María Fernández de Palos originaria de Aguascalientes hija de José Miguel Fernández de Palos y Beatriz Romo de Vivar.
Espero te sirva de algo esta información.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Tenemos lo que búscas…JUEGOS.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
Hola Jorge Luis, muchas gracias por la informacion,
yo tengo el libro de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia
y al parecer se me escapo esa informacion, me podrias dar
la pagina donde esta para consultarla.
La pareja mencionada, resulta ser que tambien son mis
ancestros, ¿Son tambien tus ancestros?.
Gracias otra vez por tu ayuda.
Desde guadalajara:
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez
No, no son mis ancestros, pero deja busco la página para decirtela, que no tengo el número de página a la mano.
Por cierto, aprovecho para preguntarte si tienes el matrimonio de Pablo Villegas con Luisa Angulo, los cuales tuvieron un hijo llamado Donasiano Villegas nacido en Tepatitlán.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Juega y gana, tenemos 3 Xbox a la semana.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
Hola Jorge Luis:
Mira, los datos especificos del matrimonio entre Pablo Villegas con
Luisa Angulo, no los he encontrado, pero por los datos en varias fes de
bautismo he encontrado sus ancestros aqui te pongo el reporte
Genealogico respectivo, el mas antiguo ancestro que he encontrado
es Pioquinto Villegas aqui te pongo sus descendientes, el matrimonio
que buscas esta en la Generacion 4:
Saludos: Alex
Descendants of Pioquinto Villegas
Generation No. 1
1. Pioquinto1 Villegas He married Ma-Concepción Arambula.
Child of Pioquinto Villegas and Ma-Concepción Arambula is:
2. i. Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula, b. Aprox. 1809.
Generation No. 2
2. Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula (Pioquinto1 Villegas) was born Aprox.
1809. He married Atanacia Ramos Valdivia, daughter of Estanislao
Ramos and Andrea Valdivia.
Children of Eulogio Villegas Arambula and Atanacia Ramos Valdivia are:
3. i. Alejo3 Villegas Ramos, b. 11 Jul 1854, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.
ii. Mateana Villegas Ramos, b. Sep 1856, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.
More About Mateana Villegas Ramos:
Baptism: 28 Sep 1856, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco
iii. Juan Villegas Ramos, b. May 1863, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.
More About Juan Villegas Ramos:
Baptism: 10 May 1863, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco
Generation No. 3
3. Alejo3 Villegas Ramos (Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula, Pioquinto1
Villegas) was born 11 Jul 1854 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco. He
married Macelina Medina Arambula 16 Feb 1874 in Tepatitlan, Jalisco,
daughter of Jose-Maria Medina and Manuela Arambula. She was born
Aprox. 1856.
More About Alejo Villegas Ramos:
Baptism: 23 Jul 1854, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco
More About Alejo Villegas Ramos and Macelina Medina Arambula:
Marriage: 16 Feb 1874, Tepatitlan, Jalisco
Matrim. Religoso: 16 Feb 1874, Tepa, Jalisco, A?, F41F.
Children of Alejo Villegas Ramos and Macelina Medina Arambula are:
4. i. Pablo4 Villegas Medina, b. Aprox. 1883.
ii. Monica Villegas Medina, b. 04 May 1886, La Azotea, Tepa, Jalisco.
More About Monica Villegas Medina:
RegCivil Datos: 05 May 1886, Tepa, A346, F91F.
iii. Feliciana Villegas Medina, b. 09 Jun 1888, Popotes, Tepa, Jalisco.
More About Feliciana Villegas Medina:
Baptism: 10 Jun 1888, Tepatitlan, Jalisco
5. iv. Jose Villegas Medina, b. 19 Ene 1889, Sta. Lucia, Atotonilco el
Alto, Jalisco.
v. Canuto Villegas Medina, b. 19 Ene 1890, Popotes, Tepa, Jalisco.
More About Canuto Villegas Medina:
Baptism: 23 Ene 1890, Tepatitlan, Jalisco
vi. Justa Villegas Medina, b. 06 Ago 1892, La Azotea, Tepa, Jalisco;
m. Jose-Felix Lopez, 20 Ene 1915, Tepatitlan, Jalisco.
More About Justa Villegas Medina:
Baptism: 09 Ago 1892, Tepatitlan, Jalisco
More About Jose-Felix Lopez and Justa Villegas Medina:
Marriage: 20 Ene 1915, Tepatitlan, Jalisco
vii. Victoriano Villegas Medina, b. 23 Mar 1896, El Fraile, Tepa, Jalisco.
More About Victoriano Villegas Medina:
RegCivil Datos: 25 Mar 1896, Tepa, A209, F62F.
viii. Jose-Luis Villegas Medina, b. 11 Oct 1897, Tepatitlan, Jalisco.
More About Jose-Luis Villegas Medina:
Baptism: 13 Oct 1897, Tepatitlan, Jalisco
Generation No. 4
4. Pablo4 Villegas Medina (Alejo3 Villegas Ramos, Eulogio2 Villegas
Arambula, Pioquinto1 Villegas) was born Aprox. 1883. He married Luisa
Angulo Vazquez, daughter of Severiano Angulo and Rosalia Vazquez. She
was born Aprox. 1890.
Children of Pablo Villegas Medina and Luisa Angulo Vazquez are:
6. i. Donaciano5 Villegas Angulo, b. Aprox. 1906.
7. ii. Baudelio Villegas Angulo, b. 17 May 1918, Cerro de la Campana,
Tepa, Jalisco.
8. iii. Benito Villegas Angulo, b. Aprox. 1921.
5. Jose4 Villegas Medina (Alejo3 Villegas Ramos, Eulogio2 Villegas
Arambula, Pioquinto1 Villegas) was born 19 Ene 1889 in Sta. Lucia,
Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco. He married Macaria Carranza Martin 06
Oct 1919 in Tepatitlan, Jalisco. She was born 10 Mar 1901 in San
Antonio, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.
More About Jose Villegas Medina and Macaria Carranza Martin:
Marriage: 06 Oct 1919, Tepatitlan, Jalisco
Child of Jose Villegas Medina and Macaria Carranza Martin is:
i. Josefina5 Villegas Carranza, b. 19 Mar 1922, Cerro de la Campana,
Tepa, Jalisco.
More About Josefina Villegas Carranza:
RegCivil Datos: 22 Mar 1922, Tepa, A174, F42F.
Generation No. 5
6. Donaciano5 Villegas Angulo (Pablo4 Villegas Medina, Alejo3
Villegas Ramos, Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula, Pioquinto1 Villegas) was
born Aprox. 1906. He married Francisca Arana Hernandez, daughter of
Ramón Arana and Juana Hernandez. She was born Aprox. 1912.
Children of Donaciano Villegas Angulo and Francisca Arana Hernandez are:
9. i. Tomas6 Villegas Arana, b. Aprox. 1932.
ii. hijo2 Villegas Arana, b. Bef. 1936.
10. iii. Maria Villegas Arana, b. 25 Mar 1937, Cañadas de Obregon, Jalisco.
7. Baudelio5 Villegas Angulo (Pablo4 Villegas Medina, Alejo3 Villegas
Ramos, Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula, Pioquinto1 Villegas) was born 17
May 1918 in Cerro de la Campana, Tepa, Jalisco. He married Cristina
Gomez Diaz, daughter of Jose Gomez and Ma-Dolores Diaz. She was born
Aprox. 1922.
More About Baudelio Villegas Angulo:
RegCivil Datos: 20 May 1918, Tepa, A325, F8F.
Children of Baudelio Villegas Angulo and Cristina Gomez Diaz are:
i. Ma-Concepción6 Villegas Gomez, b. 14 Ago 1957, Mezcala, Tepa, Jalisco.
More About Ma-Concepción Villegas Gomez:
RegCivil Datos: 12 Ene 1974, Tepa, L1, A66, F17F.
ii. hijo1 Villegas Gomez.
iii. hijo2 Villegas Gomez.
iv. hijo3 Villegas Gomez.
v. hijo4 Villegas Gomez.
8. Benito5 Villegas Angulo (Pablo4 Villegas Medina, Alejo3 Villegas
Ramos, Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula, Pioquinto1 Villegas) was born
Aprox. 1921. He married Ma-delos-Angeles Sanchez Mena. She was born
Aprox. 1928.
Children of Benito Villegas Angulo and Ma-delos-Angeles Sanchez Mena are:
i. hijo16 Villegas Sanchez.
ii. hijo2 Villegas Sanchez.
iii. hijo3 Villegas Sanchez.
iv. hijo4 Villegas Sanchez.
11. v. Ma-del-Carmen Villegas Sanchez, b. Aprox. 1959.
vi. Silvia Villegas Sanchez, b. 26 Jul 1960, Tepatitlan, Jalisco.
More About Silvia Villegas Sanchez:
RegCivil Datos: 28 Ago 1960, Tepa, A1091, F274F.
Generation No. 6
9. Tomas6 Villegas Arana (Donaciano5 Villegas Angulo, Pablo4 Villegas
Medina, Alejo3 Villegas Ramos, Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula, Pioquinto1
Villegas) was born Aprox. 1932. He married Teresa Gonzalez Ibarra,
daughter of Nicolas Gonzalez and Ma-de-Jesus Ibarra. She was born
Aprox. 1937.
Child of Tomas Villegas Arana and Teresa Gonzalez Ibarra is:
i. Miguel7 Villegas Gonzalez, b. 05 Nov 1974, Los Cerritos, Tepa. Jalisco.
More About Miguel Villegas Gonzalez:
RegCivil Datos: 08 Dic 1974, Tepa, L4, A2110, F47V.
10. Maria6 Villegas Arana (Donaciano5 Villegas Angulo, Pablo4
Villegas Medina, Alejo3 Villegas Ramos, Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula,
Pioquinto1 Villegas) was born 25 Mar 1937 in Cañadas de Obregon,
Jalisco. She married Antonio de la Mora Martin, son of Pascual de la
Mora and Maria Martin. He was born Aprox. 1936.
More About Maria Villegas Arana:
RegCivil Datos: 05 Abr 1937, V.Obregón, A65, F22F.
More About Antonio de la Mora Martin:
RegCivil Datos: 23 Jun 1974
Child of Maria Villegas Arana and Antonio de la Mora Martin is:
i. Antonio7 de la Mora Villegas, b. 10 May 1974, Los Ranchitos, Tepa,
Jalisco; m. Ma-Guadalupe Villegas Martin, 12 Mar 2004, Tepatitlan,
Jalisco; b. 04 Abr 1977, Tepatitlan, Jalisco.
More About Antonio de la Mora Villegas:
RegCivil Datos: 23 Jun 1974, Tepa, L2, A1044, F100F.
Notes for Ma-Guadalupe Villegas Martin:
Bau en Sagrada Familia
Padrinos: Ma. de Jesus Jimenez Muñoz y Fco. Martin Gomez,
hermano de la Madre
More About Antonio de la Mora Villegas and Ma-Guadalupe Villegas Martin:
Marriage: 12 Mar 2004, Tepatitlan, Jalisco
RCivil Matrim: 12 Mar 2004, Tepa, Jalisco, A156, F?.
11. Ma-del-Carmen6 Villegas Sanchez (Benito5 Villegas Angulo, Pablo4
Villegas Medina, Alejo3 Villegas Ramos, Eulogio2 Villegas Arambula,
Pioquinto1 Villegas) was born Aprox. 1959. She married Carlos Becerra
Navarro, son of Jose-de-Jesus Becerra and Ma-Isaura Navarro. He was
born Aprox. 1950.
Children of Ma-del-Carmen Villegas Sanchez and Carlos Becerra Navarro are:
i. hijo17 Becerra Villegas.
ii. Alejandra-Fabiola Becerra Villegas, b. 15 Jun 1983, Guadalajara, Jalisco.
More About Alejandra-Fabiola Becerra Villegas:
RegCivil Datos: 16 Jul 1983, Tepa, A1482, F781V.
Hola Alex, gracias por los datos, son muy valiosos para mi, nunca me imaginé que tuvieras tanta información reciente. La familia de Tomás Villegas Arana y María Villegas Arana son muy conocidos míos pues ellos viven en Los Cerritos de donde es originaria mi mamá.
Una hija de Tomás Villegas está casada con un tío mío, los cuales han tenido muchos hijos. Dos de ellos y yo siempre andamos juntos, pues son de mis mejores amigos.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Plug&Play te trae en exclusiva los mejores conciertos de la red
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
Hola Jorge Luis:
Que bueno que e sirvió la informacion que te mande, aunque no he
conectado esos Villegas que al parecer vienen de Atotonilco El Alto,
con mis Villegas, es mi intención investigar a Todos los Villegas,
primero de la Region de los Altos, luego de Jalisco y si ase puede
de todo Mexico, si puedes ayudarme a completar los datos de esta
familia y si se puede entrevista a tus primos y amigos y sus padres
para que me pases todos los datos que puedas de su familia, me
ayudarías mucho y te estaré eternamente agradecido.
Que curioso, yo no conozco a ese Tomas Villegas Arana, pero ya
me han hablado de el, con mas razon que se llama como mi Bisabuelo
mi padre y yo, mi Tio Jose Guadalupe Villegas Casillas, vive en su
rancho por el rumbo de los Ceritos como ermitaño, es soltero y sin
familia el nacio en el año Guadalupano de 1931 y mi padre en 1932
como Tomas Villegas Arana, y mi padre me dice que cuando era niño
se juntaba mucho con mi tio Jose Guadalupe, al parecer mi Tio Glpe
conoce a Tomas Villegas Arana y le ha comentado que asi se llamaba
su Abuelo, y le dice que cada vez que lo ve se acuerda mucho de
su Abuelito y se le afigura que es el, tambien los conoce muy bien
Don Cuco Martin Martin y su esposa Benita Mora Muñoz que durante
muchisimos años tubieron la tienda enfrente del templo del Cerrito,
que son los padres de Ana Rosa Martin Mora esposa de mi primo
hermano Jose Abel Guzman Villegas, y este hermano de Carmela
Guzman Villegas esposa de Juan Jose Padilla Gtz, padres de
Juan Jose Padilla Guzman mi sobrino que segun me habian contado
fue tu compañero en la Prepa.
De la Helgera mi ascendecia es asi:
Yo. Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez, Mi Padre: Tomas Villegas Gtz.,
Mi Abuelo: Francisco Villegas Navarro, mis Bisabuelos: Tomas Villegas
Flores y Paula Navarro Franco, Mis Tatarabuelos: Jose Felix Navarro
Bandin y Guillerma Franco Gomez, Mis 4tos. Abuelos: Jose Manuel
Navarro Gtz y Ma. Gertrudis Bandin Alvarez, mis 5tos. Abuelos: Pedro
Jose Bandin de Castro de la Helgera y Ma. Josefa Alvarez Tostado
Gonzalez, mis 6tos. Abuelos: Francisco Bandin de Castro y Juana
Micaela de la Helgera Fernandez de Palos, Mis 7mos. Abuelos:
Manuel de la Helgera y Ana Fernandez de Palos.
Y hasta aqui tenia en esa liea hasta que tu me ayudaste a avanzar
mas, otra ves mil gracias.
Alex.
Hola Alex, pues si conozco muy bien a Don Tomás Villegas Arana, y mas porque es un hombre humilde y muy buena persona. También es mi pariente por lo Arana. Y también conozco a Don Cuco Martín y a su mujer pues de niño todos los domingos mis padres me llevaban a misa a Los Cerritos, además de que tenían una casita por donde pasaba el camino hacia la casa de mis abuelos. Ahorita en esa casa miro mucho a su hija Obdulia y su familia.
Toda la información que pueda obtener con gusto te la paso. Por cierto, me puse a buscar el matrimonio entre Pioquinto Villegas y María Concepción Arámbula y se llevó a cabo en Nochistlán Zacatecas el día 15 de abril de 1786. Sus nombres eran José María Pioquinto Villegas y María de la Concepción de San Vicente Arámula; esto lo saqué de un bautismo de uno de sus hijos. Pero en el acta de matrimonio de ellos solo dice Pioquinto Villegas y María de la Concepción Aranburo.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Juega y gana, tenemos 3 Xbox a la semana.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
En la página 284 del libro casi al final se encuentra la información que te mencioné anteriormente.
Revisa el libro y verás que estoy en lo cierto, además de que el libro trae otros datos valiosos para el estudio histórico-genealógico en ese mismo capítulo.
Por cierto me llama la atención que esta familia sean tus ancestros, pues son de apellidos mas comunes por el área de Lagos de Moreno, y hasta ahora no me ha tocado ver en la Zona de Jalostotitlán, San Miiguel el Alto y Tepatitlán que es de donde provienen nuestros ancestros en mayor número. Como es tu línea con esta familia.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Juega y gana, tenemos 3 Xbox a la semana.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
Hola Jorge,
Vi tu comunicacion con Tomas sobre RETONOS de ESPANA en la NUEVA GALICIA.
Tienes el libro? Estoy buscando a DIEGO DELGADO y ISABEL PILAR SORANO. NO HE PODIDO ENCONTRAR NINGUN DATO DE ELLOS. TENGO DE LOS DESENDIENTES DE ESTA PAREJA, PERO NADITA DE ELLOS.
GRACIAS,
JUANITA
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez wrote:
Hola Tomás, yo tengo el dato que saqué de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia de que Manuel de la Helguera originario de Santander, España, hijo de Marcos de la Helguera y de la Cábez y de María de la Herrán. Y Ana María Fernández de Palos originaria de Aguascalientes hija de José Miguel Fernández de Palos y Beatriz Romo de Vivar.
Espero te sirva de algo esta información.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Tenemos lo que búscas
JUEGOS.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
Hola Juanita, si tengo el libro pero no menciona a esta pareja, además de que no son familias estudiadas en la obra de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. No se si en la nueva edición de la obra salga alguna de estas familias pues el otro día platiqué con el Lic. Mariano González-Leal y me mencionó que ahora no solo son 117 familias sino que son poco mas de 300 familias estudiadas.
En Pinos hay una pareja que son Diego Delgado e Isabel Martínez Lozano, no se si pueda ser la misma familia, ya que Sorano se me afigura que pudo haber sido Lozano solo que haya un error, pero es solo suposición.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por MSN in concert
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-mx
Hola jorge Luis:
Gracias por toda la informacion.
Pero dime: como sacaste la informacion del matrimonio de Pioquinto Villegas
yo estube tratando de buscarlo en el familysearch con varias
opciones de busqueda
y no pude sacar nada, sera que ya me estoy oxidando o todabia no domino la
forma de hacer las busquedas, por favor orientame y abreme los ojos.
Veo que haces el comentario de que ya platicaste con Don Mariano Gonzalez
Leal, dime cuando y que te dice, cuando cre el que sacara su libro o mas bien
saus libros y obra completa.
Alex.
Hola Alex, pues mira, lo primero que hago es sacar todos los hijos del matrimonio, tomo el nombre y después les antepongo el de José y María e intercalo con sus nombres buscando variantes. Además le intento con varias faltas de ortografía, por ejemplo para el apellido Aramburú busqué con las siguientes variantes: Arámbula, Arámbulo, Arámburo, Arámbura, Aránburo, Aránbura, Aránbulo, Aránbula y por cierto en un bautizo de sus hijos viene como si su nombre Concepción fuera el apellido.
Por cierto el acta de matrimonio dice que Pioquinto Villegas originario de Nangue es hijo legítimo de Pedro Villegas y Juana Gertrudis, y María Concepción Aránburo española originaria de Tepuzco jurisdicción de Teocaltiche, hija natural de María Concepción Aránburo.
Platiqué con el Lic. el día 6 de mayo en su casa en León, y me comenta que le faltan algunos puntos por terminar su obra, pero su obra se incrementado muchísimo ya que al principio iban a ser 117 familias, y ahora son poco mas de 300. Por cierto, también estudia a los Pérez de Vargas de Tepatitlán.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Plug&Play te trae en exclusiva los mejores conciertos de la red
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
This is for experts on DNA out there:
I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the results be exactly the same?
If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line?
Thanks!
Juanita
juanita delgado wrote:
Hola Jorge,
Vi tu comunicacion con Tomas sobre RETONOS de ESPANA en la NUEVA GALICIA.
Tienes el libro? Estoy buscando a DIEGO DELGADO y ISABEL PILAR SORANO. NO HE PODIDO ENCONTRAR NINGUN DATO DE ELLOS. TENGO DE LOS DESENDIENTES DE ESTA PAREJA, PERO NADITA DE ELLOS.
GRACIAS,
JUANITA
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez wrote:
Hola Tomás, yo tengo el dato que saqué de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia de que Manuel de la Helguera originario de Santander, España, hijo de Marcos de la Helguera y de la Cábez y de María de la Herrán. Y Ana María Fernández de Palos originaria de Aguascalientes hija de José Miguel Fernández de Palos y Beatriz Romo de Vivar.
Espero te sirva de algo esta información.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Tenemos lo que búscas
JUEGOS.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
It has been awhile since I have read up on the subject but your daughter also has her fathers mitochondrial so how exact I couldn't say but you may want to try Brian Sykes web site he has been very involved in historic DNA research you might get lucky and the answer will be on his web site vs having to obtain one of his books. www. oxfordancestors.com
mari
----- Original Message ----
From: juanita delgado
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:39:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia De la Helgera
This is for experts on DNA out there:
I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the results be exactly the same?
If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line?
Thanks!
Juanita
juanita delgado wrote:
Hola Jorge,
Vi tu comunicacion con Tomas sobre RETONOS de ESPANA en la NUEVA GALICIA.
Tienes el libro? Estoy buscando a DIEGO DELGADO y ISABEL PILAR SORANO. NO HE PODIDO ENCONTRAR NINGUN DATO DE ELLOS. TENGO DE LOS DESENDIENTES DE ESTA PAREJA, PERO NADITA DE ELLOS.
GRACIAS,
JUANITA
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez wrote:
Hola Tomás, yo tengo el dato que saqué de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia de que Manuel de la Helguera originario de Santander, España, hijo de Marcos de la Helguera y de la Cábez y de María de la Herrán. Y Ana María Fernández de Palos originaria de Aguascalientes hija de José Miguel Fernández de Palos y Beatriz Romo de Vivar.
Espero te sirva de algo esta información.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Tenemos lo que búscas…JUEGOS.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
Actually, mitochondrial DNA only comes from the mother. So a mother and a
daughter would have the exact same mDNA, unless there is some sort of
mutation, which is rare. Any sons would also have only the mother's
mitochondrial DNA.
Other kinds of DNA are mixed up from the mother and the father. That's why
mitochondrial DNA is so useful for genealogy.
Veronica
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 5:44 PM, mari deGuzman wrote:
> It has been awhile since I have read up on the subject but your daughter
> also has her fathers mitochondrial so how exact I couldn't say but you may
> want to try Brian Sykes web site he has been very involved in historic DNA
> research you might get lucky and the answer will be on his web site vs
> having to obtain one of his books. www. oxfordancestors.com
> mari
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: juanita delgado
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:39:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia De la Helgera
>
> This is for experts on DNA out there:
>
> I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the results
> be exactly the same?
>
> If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance that
> through all those hundreds of years there would have been a EUROPEAN mother
> somewhere along the line?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Juanita
>
> juanita delgado wrote:
> Hola Jorge,
> Vi tu comunicacion con Tomas sobre RETONOS de ESPANA en la NUEVA GALICIA.
>
> Tienes el libro? Estoy buscando a DIEGO DELGADO y ISABEL PILAR SORANO. NO
> HE PODIDO ENCONTRAR NINGUN DATO DE ELLOS. TENGO DE LOS DESENDIENTES DE ESTA
> PAREJA, PERO NADITA DE ELLOS.
>
> GRACIAS,
> JUANITA
>
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez wrote:
>
> Hola Tomás, yo tengo el dato que saqué de Retoños de España en la Nueva
> Galicia de que Manuel de la Helguera originario de Santander, España, hijo
> de Marcos de la Helguera y de la Cábez y de María de la Herrán. Y Ana María
> Fernández de Palos originaria de Aguascalientes hija de José Miguel
> Fernández de Palos y Beatriz Romo de Vivar.
>
> Espero te sirva de algo esta información.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
> _________________________________________________________________
> Tenemos lo que búscas…JUEGOS.
> http://club.prodigymsn.com/
Hola a todos. ¿Cómo están?
Mi nombre es Ricardo Chávez Ruiz Esparza, nací en Aguascalientes, Ags, hace 30 años y he estado investigando esporádicamente desde hace un año la genealogía de mis apellidos (Chávez, Ruiz Esparza), así como los apellidos maternos de mis padres (Estevané, Castillo).
Hola Ricardo,
Bienvenido a Nuestros Ranchos. Aquí vas a encontrar a muchas personas
interesadas en tu genealogía. Yo personalmente conozco algo de los
apellidos Chávez y Ruiz de Esparza. En cuanto tenga tiempo te haré algunos
comentarios acerca de la información que has proporcionado al grupo.
Desconozco la genealogía Estevané y Castillo de Zacatecas, así que no podré
ayudarte con esas líneas. Todavía vives en Aguascalientes, o en que parte
de México radicas ahora? Donde viven tus padres y tus familiares cercanos?
Es todo por hoy, Ricardo. Ando escaso de tiempo, pero trataré de escribir
más tarde. Un cordial saludo y seguimos en contacto.
Bill Figueroa
Hola a todos:
Me da mucho gusto de ser miembro de este grupo, desde hace un poco mas de 3 meses ,y quiero hacer publico mi agradecimiento a Hector Felix Aizorbe ,por la ayuda baliosisima que me ha brindado para formar mi arbol geneologico. Estoy detenido en algunos datos ,he mandado pedir algunos microfilms en un Centro Familiar Historico de aqui en el Condado de Riverside California ,pero estan en back order ,eso es lo que me dicen ,ya hace casi 2 meses .En unos de los datos que estoy detenido son ,sobre los abuelos maternos por parte de mi Mama :que fueron "Juan Guzman y Estefana Marin "casados en el pueblo de san Cristobal de la Barranca Jalisco,el 16 de febrero de 1886 :microfilm 1108704 y el Batch# M602306 pero desgraciadamente no hay mas datos ,tengo entendido que la mama de Juan Guzman fue martha castro pero desconosco el nombre del padre.tambien tengo entendido que ellos heran del pueblo de La Estanzuela hoy "Garcia de la Cadena Zac." Pero no existe ningun microfilm de esa poblacio
n,si alguien tiene acseso a un medio de informacion sobre este pueblo , se lo agradeseria mucho.Yo tenia planeado viajar para la ciudad de Guadalajara Jalisco ,para los ultimos de mayo ,pero desgraciadamente por causas de fuerza mayor no me va hacer posible .
Jose Luis Felix desde Perris California.
> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends.
http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Ref…
Hola Jose Luis, yo tambien estoy haciendo estudios en La Estanzuela, mis antecesores de ese lugar datan del sigle 17, en esos tiempos los residentes de la Estanzuela se bautizaban en El Teul De Gonzales Ortega, Zacatecas, puedes buscar ahi, no en que ano dejaron de ir a El Teul.
saludos y buena suerte,
Anna Arellano Smith
----- Original Message ----
From: JOSE FELIX
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:58:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Saludos
Hola a todos:
Me da mucho gusto de ser miembro de este grupo, desde hace un poco mas de 3 meses ,y quiero hacer publico mi agradecimiento a Hector Felix Aizorbe ,por la ayuda baliosisima que me ha brindado para formar mi arbol geneologico. Estoy detenido en algunos datos ,he mandado pedir algunos microfilms en un Centro Familiar Historico de aqui en el Condado de Riverside California ,pero estan en back order ,eso es lo que me dicen ,ya hace casi 2 meses .En unos de los datos que estoy detenido son ,sobre los abuelos maternos por parte de mi Mama :que fueron "Juan Guzman y Estefana Marin "casados en el pueblo de san Cristobal de la Barranca Jalisco,el 16 de febrero de 1886 :microfilm 1108704 y el Batch# M602306 pero desgraciadamente no hay mas datos ,tengo entendido que la mama de Juan Guzman fue martha castro pero desconosco el nombre del padre.tambien tengo entendido que ellos heran del pueblo de La Estanzuela hoy "Garcia de la Cadena Zac." Pero no existe ningun
microfilm de esa poblacio
n,si alguien tiene acseso a un medio de informacion sobre este pueblo , se lo agradeseria mucho.Yo tenia planeado viajar para la ciudad de Guadalajara Jalisco ,para los ultimos de mayo ,pero desgraciadamente por causas de fuerza mayor no me va hacer posible .
Jose Luis Felix desde Perris California.
> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends.
http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Ref…
Hola Anna:
Gracias por tu valiosa informacion, empesare a buscar en la poblacion del Teul y pueblos aledaños, tambien te deseo mucha suerte en tu investigacion muchos saludos y hasta luego.
Jose Luis felix> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:50:32 -0700> From: annaa_smith@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Saludos> > Hola Jose Luis, yo tambien estoy haciendo estudios en La Estanzuela, mis antecesores de ese lugar datan del sigle 17, en esos tiempos los residentes de la Estanzuela se bautizaban en El Teul De Gonzales Ortega, Zacatecas, puedes buscar ahi, no en que ano dejaron de ir a El Teul. > saludos y buena suerte,> Anna Arellano Smith> > > > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends.> http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Ref…; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
_________________________________________________________________
Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft.
http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause
Jorge Luis,
En vuestra busca de datos adicionales respecto al matrimonio indicado
podeis leer los siguientes microfilmes en el Centro de Historia Familiar
que os sea mas cercano/conveniente:
El Rollo #0443969 incluye el matrimonio entre Vicente Ferrel de Raygoza e
Muchas gracias Efraín, me va servir de mucho esta información, yo también estaba entre la teoría de que Vicente Ferrer Raygoza fuera hijo de Agustín Raygoza y María de Miramontes; o en otro caso hijo de José de Raygoza y Catarina de Sandoval.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
Plug&Play te trae en exclusiva los mejores conciertos de la red
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
I think more likely this is the right Vicente:
BISENTE TEREL RAIGOSA SANDOBAL
Male
Christening: 17 MAR 1720 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH RAIGOSA
Mother: CATALINA DE SANDOBAL
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
J600894 1718 - 1732 0443802
Good Luck on your search,
Angie Godina
I am also researching Raigosa/Raygoza in Tlaltenango.
Here is my ancestor:
GREGORIO RAYGOSA
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: ANTTONIA CATHARINA
Marriage: 11 AUG 1746 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
M607139 1704 - 1754 0443968
I have a copy of the extract document but it does not list the parents names. I believe the spouse is a Haro. But it is also not listed in the extract.
The is possibly the same person (not confirmed):
GREGORIO JOSEPH RAIGOSA DESANDOBAL
Male
Christening: 22 AUG 1721 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH DE RAIGOSA
Mother: CHATHARINA DESANDOBAL
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
J600894 1718 - 1732 0443802
If you are interested, my files lists Gregorio Raigosa descendants as I am currently stuck on his ancestors ...
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13945
Thanks,
Angie Godina
Hola Eddie ,como esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de
Hermosillo y Maria Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando Francisco
Gutierrez Rubio nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa que
saludos Ronnie Reynoso efectivamente esta información esta mal a múltiples errores en esta pagina lo cierto es que no se sabe a ciencia cierta cual es el apellido que le sigue a diego gonzalez casado con maria rubio y con respecto al apellido Hermosillo si en algo te puedo ayudar. no digo lo mismo del reynoso por que no se mucho de el
Atte: Eddy Gutierrez Hermosillo> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:12:38 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo> > Hola Eddie ,como esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de > Hermosillo y Maria Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando Francisco > Gutierrez Rubio nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa que > esa informacion esta mal ,tambien esta en batch#F868025.> Bueno Mi Familia Reynoso eran de San Julian pero su rancho partenese a San > MIguel el Alto. Mi antepasado era Francisco Reynoso casado con Maria Padilla > Davilla.Los Hijos : eran Francisco Reynoso casado con Josefa Renteria,eran > mis antepasados. Eu hermano Diego Reynoso casado con Margarita > Renteria.Despues o sea con tiempo Los Reynosos Fueron a Jalostotitlan ,y > Zacatecas.Mi> mama se apellide Hermosillo . No se mucho de la historia oral de mi abuelo > porque era huerfano, pero con las actas y el autor Jose Luis Vazquez halle > hasta un Vicente Hermosillo casado con Maria Ynez de La Trinidad Martin de > Padilla,que veneciendo Martin del Campo Padilla Davila.Maria Ynez de La > trinidad nacio 05-05-1726 en San Juan de los Lagos.> Eddie ,yo creo que casi todos apellidos de Los Altos Y mas:> Reynoso,Padilla,Perez,Magana , > Centeno,Alderete,Portillo,Anaya,Escoto,Moreno,Gutierrez(de todas clases) > Garcia (de Hermosillo,Gonzalez(de > Hermosillo)Benavides,Lomellini,Marquez,Gomez(de Mendoza)> Munoz de La Barba,Tiscareno,Ruiz de Esparza,Romo de Vivar,Lozano,De La > Torre,Ledesma, Martin del campo,Hernandez,Sanchez, y Mas.> Yo creo soy pariente a todos de Los Altos poquito de Aguascaliente y > Zacatecas.> Bueno eddie espero tu repuesta> tu primo 1000 veces ypariente acasi todos de Los Altos.-> Ronnie Reynoso> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Hola Eddie ,como estas ? Ojala que bien. Oyes que lo sabes de tu Rama
Reynoso ? Fui a www.nuestros ranchos.com y mire tu rama . Dices que tu mama
nacio en el Municipio de San Miguel el Alto. Vivia en el pueblo de San
Miguel o cercas ? De donde eran tus Abuelos Reynoso ? Ceracas de San miguel
esta La comunidad de San Jose de Los Reynoso , tiene parientes por ese lado
o de Jalostotitlan ? Eddie ,yo vivo en el pueblo de Caremont,California
.Mis abuelos eran de unos Ranchos y Hacienda cercas de San Julian,Jalisco.
Espero tu repuesta
Tu pariente ,casi 1000 veces
y pariente acasi todos de Los Altos
Ronnie
>From: eddy gutierrez hermosillo
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:22:19 -0500
>
>
>saludos Ronnie Reynoso efectivamente esta información esta mal a múltiples
>errores en esta pagina lo cierto es que no se sabe a ciencia cierta cual es
>el apellido que le sigue a diego gonzalez casado con maria rubio y con
>respecto al apellido Hermosillo si en algo te puedo ayudar. no digo lo
>mismo del reynoso por que no se mucho de el
>
>Atte: Eddy Gutierrez Hermosillo> From: chilerey@msn.com> To:
>research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:12:38 -0700>
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo> > Hola Eddie ,como
>esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de > Hermosillo y Maria
>Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando Francisco > Gutierrez Rubio
>nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa que > esa
>informacion esta mal ,tambien esta en batch#F868025.> Bueno Mi Familia
>Reynoso eran de San Julian pero su rancho partenese a San > MIguel el Alto.
>Mi antepasado era Francisco Reynoso casado con Maria Padilla > Davilla.Los
>Hijos : eran Francisco Reynoso casado con Josefa Renteria,eran > mis
>antepasados. Eu hermano Diego Reynoso casado con Margarita >
>Renteria.Despues o sea con tiempo Los Reynosos Fueron a Jalostotitlan ,y >
>Zacatecas.Mi> mama se apellide Hermosillo . No se mucho de la historia oral
>de mi abuelo > porque era huerfano, pero con las actas y el autor Jose Luis
>Vazquez halle > hasta un Vicente Hermosillo casado con Maria Ynez de La
>Trinidad Martin de > Padilla,que veneciendo Martin del Campo Padilla
>Davila.Maria Ynez de La > trinidad nacio 05-05-1726 en San Juan de los
>Lagos.> Eddie ,yo creo que casi todos apellidos de Los Altos Y mas:>
>Reynoso,Padilla,Perez,Magana , >
>Centeno,Alderete,Portillo,Anaya,Escoto,Moreno,Gutierrez(de todas clases) >
>Garcia (de Hermosillo,Gonzalez(de >
>Hermosillo)Benavides,Lomellini,Marquez,Gomez(de Mendoza)> Munoz de La
>Barba,Tiscareno,Ruiz de Esparza,Romo de Vivar,Lozano,De La > Torre,Ledesma,
>Martin del campo,Hernandez,Sanchez, y Mas.> Yo creo soy pariente a todos de
>Los Altos poquito de Aguascaliente y > Zacatecas.> Bueno eddie espero tu
>repuesta> tu primo 1000 veces ypariente acasi todos de Los Altos.-> Ronnie
>Reynoso> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos
>Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>
>research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
>http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>_________________________________________________________________
>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
To Juanita, Connie Dominguez and other members,
The Montejano book about which you are inquiring is authored by Maria de la
Luz Montejano Hilton, published by her in 1999, and titled "Sagrada Mitra
de Guadalajara antiguo obispado de la Nueva Galicia: epedientes de la serie
de matrimonis extractos siglos XVII - XVIII"
It is an 803-page 9" x 12" soft-cover book, written in Spanish, that as I
recall synthesizes some 2 to 3 thousands of matrimonial 'appeals' and
'dispensations' sought from the Nueva Galicia ecclesiastical court during
that 3-century time period. It also contains an extremely helpful 204-page
index of the names of the persons reflected/mentioned in all of the
proceedings.
EXAMPLE, (Case Number 720):
Jalostotitlan, Jal. Enero 18 de 1718. Exp.100.- Dispensa de cuarto grado
de consanguinidad. - Don Pedro de Anda Altamirano, espanol de 21 anos de
edad, natural y vecino de esta filigresia, hijo legitimo de Don Lorenzo de
Anda Altamirano y de Dona Gertrudis de Hermosillo, difunta; con Dona Clara
Perez Franco, espanola de 18 anos de edad, natural y vecina de esta
filigresia, hija legitima del Cap. Don Joseph Perez Franco y Dona Lorenza
Gutierrez de Hermosillo. Declaracion de Cayetano de la Pena , espanol de
26 anos de edad, pariente de los pretensos: Por causa de que Dona Teresa
de Hermosillo, bisabuela del pretenso y Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
bisabuelo de la pretensa, fueron hermanos; y Silvestre Camacho, abuelo del
pretenso y Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo, abuelo de la pretensa, fueron
primos hermanos, y que Dona Gertrudis de Hermosillo, madre del pretenso y
Dona Lorenza Gutierrez de Hermosillo, madre de la pretensa, son primas
segundas. Se otorgo la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara, en 22 de
enero de 1718. 10 fojas.
- - - - - - - -
I hope this is responsive to your inquiry and informative to others that
may wish to access the information in this book for their research.
Saludos,
Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California
> [Original Message]
> From:
> To:
> Date: 5/7/2008 6:57:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's
book: Hermosillo--Att:ConnieDominguez
>
> Connie, I was reading your email and was excited to see someone who is
> researching Aguascalientes. I'm also working on that area and am having
> trouble. I also have read the emails about a book by Luz Montejano. I'm
> wondering if the title is Hermosillo, or is there another title. I tried
to
> research some of the names used in the emails, but haven't found the
actual
> title or book. I'm wondering if you would be so kind as to give me some
idea
> as to where and what I can use to find information for Augas, and the
title of
> the book. I've used Ancestry, LDS etc. I've tried Nuestros but am so new
to
> this site that I'm not finding much and get discouraged. Thank you for
your
> time. Lupe
>
>
> Quoting cdominguez10@elp.rr.com:
>
> > Juanita,
> > Thanks for your note. Yes, it is a great book. That was a tremendous
> > amount of work and it was a job well done. I protect my signed copy
> > well. :-)
> >
> > I wish you luck on your search. I have so many films at the local
> > FHC, but I've had such a hard time getting there. I look forward to
> > going in the summer. They're only open 1 evening a week, and
> > invariably I forget to head out there for some reason or other. I'm
> > working on Aguascalientes in the 17th c. and don't have much on later
> > generations except my direct lines.
> >
> > During summer, I will have days to work on genealogy at the FHC. If
> > you need anything from any of the films I've listed on Ranchos,
> > please let me know. I'll look through them.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Connie
> > ---- juanita delgado wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > HELLO CONNIE,
> > GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY
> > ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT
> > HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.
> > WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET
> > SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY,
> > THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD
> > WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF
> > ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!
> >
> > I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO
> > I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING
> > FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN
> > SYSTEM.
> > I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!
> > JUANITA
> >
> > juanita delgado wrote:
> > Connie,
> > I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I
> > don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me.
> > Thanks!!! Again for offering!
> > Juanita
> >
> > juanita delgado wrote:
> > Connie.
> > Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in
> > a couple of hours.
> >
> > Juanita
> >
> > Ronald Reynoso wrote:
> >
> > Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out
> > . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife)
> > Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del
> > Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria
> > Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo
> > and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the
> > ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got
> > married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even
> > related.
> > Thank you for your time
> > Ronnie Reynoso
> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From:
> >> cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject:
> >> Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have
> >> the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she
> >> has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she
> >> had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either
> >> in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So
> >> sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita
> >> delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know
> >> how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de
> >> Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages
> >> xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > >
> >> ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound,
> >> and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- --
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To
> >> post, send email to:> re
> > search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on
> > to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email
> > to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription,
> > log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
> > Try it now.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
> > Try it now.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
> > Try it now.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
>
>
Thanks, Enrique! I was still working on a similar response. You saved me some work. :-)
Connie Dominguez
---- Efrain Conrique wrote:
=============
To Juanita, Connie Dominguez and other members,
The Montejano book about which you are inquiring is authored by Maria de la
Luz Montejano Hilton, published by her in 1999, and titled "Sagrada Mitra
de Guadalajara antiguo obispado de la Nueva Galicia: epedientes de la serie
de matrimonis extractos siglos XVII - XVIII"
It is an 803-page 9" x 12" soft-cover book, written in Spanish, that as I
recall synthesizes some 2 to 3 thousands of matrimonial 'appeals' and
'dispensations' sought from the Nueva Galicia ecclesiastical court during
that 3-century time period. It also contains an extremely helpful 204-page
index of the names of the persons reflected/mentioned in all of the
proceedings.
EXAMPLE, (Case Number 720):
Jalostotitlan, Jal. Enero 18 de 1718. Exp.100.- Dispensa de cuarto grado
de consanguinidad. - Don Pedro de Anda Altamirano, espanol de 21 anos de
edad, natural y vecino de esta filigresia, hijo legitimo de Don Lorenzo de
Anda Altamirano y de Dona Gertrudis de Hermosillo, difunta; con Dona Clara
Perez Franco, espanola de 18 anos de edad, natural y vecina de esta
filigresia, hija legitima del Cap. Don Joseph Perez Franco y Dona Lorenza
Gutierrez de Hermosillo. Declaracion de Cayetano de la Pena , espanol de
26 anos de edad, pariente de los pretensos: Por causa de que Dona Teresa
de Hermosillo, bisabuela del pretenso y Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
bisabuelo de la pretensa, fueron hermanos; y Silvestre Camacho, abuelo del
pretenso y Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo, abuelo de la pretensa, fueron
primos hermanos, y que Dona Gertrudis de Hermosillo, madre del pretenso y
Dona Lorenza Gutierrez de Hermosillo, madre de la pretensa, son primas
segundas. Se otorgo la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara, en 22 de
enero de 1718. 10 fojas.
- - - - - - - -
I hope this is responsive to your inquiry and informative to others that
may wish to access the information in this book for their research.
Saludos,
Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California
> [Original Message]
> From:
> To:
> Date: 5/7/2008 6:57:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's
book: Hermosillo--Att:ConnieDominguez
>
> Connie, I was reading your email and was excited to see someone who is
> researching Aguascalientes. I'm also working on that area and am having
> trouble. I also have read the emails about a book by Luz Montejano. I'm
> wondering if the title is Hermosillo, or is there another title. I tried
to
> research some of the names used in the emails, but haven't found the
actual
> title or book. I'm wondering if you would be so kind as to give me some
idea
> as to where and what I can use to find information for Augas, and the
title of
> the book. I've used Ancestry, LDS etc. I've tried Nuestros but am so new
to
> this site that I'm not finding much and get discouraged. Thank you for
your
> time. Lupe
>
>
> Quoting cdominguez10@elp.rr.com:
>
> > Juanita,
> > Thanks for your note. Yes, it is a great book. That was a tremendous
> > amount of work and it was a job well done. I protect my signed copy
> > well. :-)
> >
> > I wish you luck on your search. I have so many films at the local
> > FHC, but I've had such a hard time getting there. I look forward to
> > going in the summer. They're only open 1 evening a week, and
> > invariably I forget to head out there for some reason or other. I'm
> > working on Aguascalientes in the 17th c. and don't have much on later
> > generations except my direct lines.
> >
> > During summer, I will have days to work on genealogy at the FHC. If
> > you need anything from any of the films I've listed on Ranchos,
> > please let me know. I'll look through them.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Connie
> > ---- juanita delgado wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > HELLO CONNIE,
> > GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY
> > ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT
> > HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.
> > WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET
> > SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY,
> > THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD
> > WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF
> > ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!
> >
> > I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO
> > I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING
> > FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN
> > SYSTEM.
> > I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!
> > JUANITA
> >
> > juanita delgado wrote:
> > Connie,
> > I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I
> > don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me.
> > Thanks!!! Again for offering!
> > Juanita
> >
> > juanita delgado wrote:
> > Connie.
> > Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in
> > a couple of hours.
> >
> > Juanita
> >
> > Ronald Reynoso wrote:
> >
> > Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out
> > . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife)
> > Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del
> > Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria
> > Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo
> > and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the
> > ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got
> > married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even
> > related.
> > Thank you for your time
> > Ronnie Reynoso
> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From:
> >> cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject:
> >> Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have
> >> the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she
> >> has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she
> >> had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either
> >> in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So
> >> sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita
> >> delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know
> >> how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de
> >> Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages
> >> xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > >
> >> ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound,
> >> and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- --
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To
> >> post, send email to:> re
> > search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on
> > to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email
> > to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription,
> > log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
> > Try it now.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
> > Try it now.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
> > Try it now.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
>
>
Efrain and Connie,
Would you recommend that we buy this book?
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
Veronica,
I have to agree with Efrain on buying this book. If you plan on extensive research for this area and know many families are connected, you might want to purchase.
I purchased it ($150) because I was trying to re-create all the early Aguas families - not just my personal lines. Although most of the entries in the book are dated late 17th & early 18th centuries, they describe relationships up to 4 or 5 generations back. This was very important to me. Also, at the time, I was helping Jose Luis Rodriguez with the Aguascalientes info for his book. It made more sense to purchase.
Otherwise, for limited use, e.g. for work on just personal lines, I would probably just borrow.
Hope this helps,
Connie Dominguez
---- Veronica Rahorn wrote:
=============
Efrain and Connie,
Would you recommend that we buy this book?
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
Efrain and Connie,
Thanks for the responses. I will take your advice to heart and go look for
the book at the ASU library.
Thanks again,
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc: "Veronica Rahorn"
Sent: 12 May, 2008 11:35
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book: Hermosillo
> Veronica,
>
> I have to agree with Efrain on buying this book. If you plan on extensive
> research for this area and know many families are connected, you might
> want to purchase.
>
> I purchased it ($150) because I was trying to re-create all the early
> Aguas families - not just my personal lines. Although most of the entries
> in the book are dated late 17th & early 18th centuries, they describe
> relationships up to 4 or 5 generations back. This was very important to
> me. Also, at the time, I was helping Jose Luis Rodriguez with the
> Aguascalientes info for his book. It made more sense to purchase.
>
> Otherwise, for limited use, e.g. for work on just personal lines, I would
> probably just borrow.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Connie Dominguez
>
> ---- Veronica Rahorn wrote:
>
> =============
> Efrain and Connie,
> Would you recommend that we buy this book?
>
> Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
>
>
Hola amigos, como la mayoría de usted saben investigo mis líneas genealógicas en los Altos de Jalisco; pero resulta que empecé a hacer el árbol genealógico de una amiga de Acatic, Jalisco de apellido Raygoza y en mis investigaciones he llegado hasta la fecha de matrimonio de una pareja en Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas.
Si alguien de ustedes me puede ayudar con los datos ascendentes que se puedan encontrar en el acta siguiente:
El 10 de febrero de 1757 en Tlaltenango de Sánchez Romáz, Zacatecas. Matrimonio de Vicente Ferrer de Raygoza e Isabel Benedicta de la Paz.
Si me pueden ayudar se los agradeceré muchísimo. Y si tienen mas datos aparte de los que tenga el acta mucho mejor. Creo que me ahorrarían mucho tiempo y esfuerzo.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
_________________________________________________________________
P.D. Checa las nuevas fotos de mi Space
http://home.services.spaces.live.com/
Quivole primos Ronnie y Eddie:
La informacion que yo tengo sobre Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo es la
siguiente y es algo diferente a lo que Ronnie tiene:
Padres de Diego fueron:
Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Francisca Renteria Mojica
Source: Batch # 868025 Sheet # 034 Film #1396255.
Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo: B:abt. 1672 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco M:5 Sep
1697 , Jalostotitlan Jalisco to Antonia (Martin del Campo) Gonzalez de
Hermosillo. Born: abt. 1677 in San Juan de Los Lagos Jalisco. Daughter of
Capitan Lazaro Martin del Campo and Catarina Ramirez de Hermosillo
Source: LDS Batch; #F868025 Sheet # 034 Film #1396255.
Children of Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Antonia Martin del Campo:
1- Ygnacio de Santa Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo B: abt 1704 in Jalostotitlan
Jalisco. D:2 Oct 1784 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. Married to Ana Maria Muños
de La Barba.
2- Maria Bernarda Gonzalez de Hermosillo. B:1699, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco
Source: Batch # F867915 Sheet # 044 Film #1396254.
3- Cristobal Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Chr:25 Jun 1708 in Saan Juan de Los
Lagos, Jalisco. D 12 Jun 1786. M: to Maria Josefa Perez Franco
Espero que esta informacion sirva para aclarar un poquito mas las cosas...
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Reynoso"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 21:12
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo
> Hola Eddie ,como esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de
> Hermosillo y Maria Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando
> Francisco
> Gutierrez Rubio nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa
> que
> esa informacion esta mal ,tambien esta en batch#F868025.
> Bueno Mi Familia Reynoso eran de San Julian pero su rancho partenese a San
> MIguel el Alto. Mi antepasado era Francisco Reynoso casado con Maria
> Padilla
> Davilla.Los Hijos : eran Francisco Reynoso casado con Josefa
> Renteria,eran
> mis antepasados. Eu hermano Diego Reynoso casado con Margarita
> Renteria.Despues o sea con tiempo Los Reynosos Fueron a Jalostotitlan ,y
> Zacatecas.Mi
> mama se apellide Hermosillo . No se mucho de la historia oral de mi abuelo
> porque era huerfano, pero con las actas y el autor Jose Luis Vazquez
> halle
> hasta un Vicente Hermosillo casado con Maria Ynez de La Trinidad Martin
> de
> Padilla,que veneciendo Martin del Campo Padilla Davila.Maria Ynez de La
> trinidad nacio 05-05-1726 en San Juan de los Lagos.
> Eddie ,yo creo que casi todos apellidos de Los Altos Y mas:
> Reynoso,Padilla,Perez,Magana ,
> Centeno,Alderete,Portillo,Anaya,Escoto,Moreno,Gutierrez(de todas clases)
> Garcia (de Hermosillo,Gonzalez(de
> Hermosillo)Benavides,Lomellini,Marquez,Gomez(de Mendoza)
> Munoz de La Barba,Tiscareno,Ruiz de Esparza,Romo de Vivar,Lozano,De La
> Torre,Ledesma, Martin del campo,Hernandez,Sanchez, y Mas.
> Yo creo soy pariente a todos de Los Altos poquito de Aguascaliente y
> Zacatecas.
> Bueno eddie espero tu repuesta
> tu primo 1000 veces ypariente acasi todos de Los Altos.-
> Ronnie Reynoso
As far as the Catholic Church records that many of us research, they are
records of religious Sacraments plain and simple (Baptism, Confirmation,
Marriage, Death--last rites) received by individuals, and were not
Irma:
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I can surely see how many people would find LDS practices offensive. In fact, I have had some of my relatives become upset at me for using LDS resources and donating a copy of my book with my research to the Family History Library because they were angry that their ancestors might be baptized by LDS.
You state that these records were sacramental records plain and simple, but I don't agree that it is that simple. Under Spanish rule, there was no freedom of religion and as such all marriages and baptisms had to be performed by the Catholic Church. The Spanish Crown gave the Church the duty and monopoly on recording births (through baptisms), marriages and deaths. All of these records were considered official records for government and juridical purposes. Thus in effect they were civil registration. It was not until Independence and the separation of Church and State that a separate civil registry was established because until then people had no choice to baptize their children anywhere else or to get married anywhere else.
Regardless, I could see if the Church had some policy about making such records available for historical and genealogical research. However, my experience in trying to access these records directly at parrishes has been met mostly with an unwillingness to help or sometimes with outright hostility. I know of very valuable records from the 1600s in Jerez and Colotlan that have not been filmed and are already in poor condition and the parrishes are doing nothing to preserve them. It is sad.
Amen!
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Irma
GomezLucero
Enviado el: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:24 PM
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Pope & LDS
As far as the Catholic Church records that many of us research, they are
records of religious Sacraments plain and simple (Baptism, Confirmation,
Marriage, Death--last rites) received by individuals, and were not
government or civil records--these came later. Even the Census records
I have run across, list whether the individual received Communion. Lets
remember that such records of sacraments be kept was mandated by the
Catholic Church and not the crown therefore these were not government
records. Our ancestors went to the Catholic Church to receive their
Sacraments. When our ancestors had their children baptized, it was
because they wanted them to be members of the Catholic community. When
a priest was called for a dying person, it was to receive his/her last
rites.
Although Jose Carlos made his comment in a tongue and cheek
manner, it does turn things around, and make a rational person think.
"With "tongue in cheek", maybe the Pope could retaliate by re-baptising
the dead Mormons to Catholicism?"
Jose Carlos de Leon
How would LDS members feel if their religious records were used this
way? Would they perceive this act as disrespectful of their beliefs or
their ancestor's beliefs?
I do not take these re-baptisms to heart. My ancestors knew what they
wanted-- I, like Felix had very devout Catholics as my ancestors:
several priests, a saint, nuns, Church builders, etc., My earthly
family is too.
I am very appreciative that the LDS Church has preserved these records,
and made them available to me as a Non-Member--regardless of what
motivated the LDS Church. If it were not for their doing, I never would
have been able to access as much information as I have, nor gotten so
far in my research. Some of these records have given me a wealth of
information. I have discovered that an ancestor couple of mine had a
hand in building one of the Catholic Churches in my folk's hometown.
When I walk into a Family History Library, I always remember that I am
guest and behave as one. I would never disrespect their beliefs
although I've heard individuals unknowingly bash mine.
The Pope as the earthly leader of the Catholic Church has a right to
stop making records of Catholic Sacraments available to non-members or
non-relatives. He has not stepped away from his role as religious
leader. He is protecting religious records of individuals who have
come to the Church for spiritual guidance, membership, etc.,
I personally would not want records of my baptism, confirmation,
marriage, etc., to be used in this manner in the future for re-baptism.
Not that I wouldn't know how to respond :)
I believe that we have much microfilm to research in order to get a good
grasp on who our ancestors were and how they lived.
Irma
Introduction-Encarnacion de Diaz Jalisco- macias anaya, avellane