Nuestros Ranchos Site

In Spanish times what were these caste system classifictions mean? I have some ancestors as Collotes. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

If anyone is interested in following Don Juan Lopes de Elisalde's line in the 1500's in Tolosa these are the films you'll be interested in. I hope to follow his line someday. I really want to look for Don Juan's parents. I only included the films that would extend his genelogy.

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1541-1979

Authors
Iglesia Católica. Santa María (Tolosa, Guipúzcoa) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo Diocesano de San Sebastián.
Algunos tomos incluyen índices y confirmaciones.
Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, and deaths from Tolosa, Guipúzcoa, Spain.
Some volumes include indexes and confirmations.
Access in France and Spain limited to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Le prêt en France est limité aux membres de l'Eglise de Jésus Christ des Saints des Derniers Jours. Acceso en España es limitado a los miembros de la Inglésia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Ultimos Días.

Subjects
Spain, Guipúzcoa, Tolosa - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1978-1985

Physical
en 22 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Bautismos 1541-1596 (ítemes 1-2) FHL INTL Film [ 1156742 ]
Matrimonios 1564-1582, 1590 Same Film
Defunciones 1543-1571, 1576 Same Film
Bautismos 1572-1692 (ítemes 3-5) - Same Film

Matrimonios y velaciones 1601-1806 - FHL INTL Film [ 1157151 ]

It looks like most Rubios connect back to these guys in la Nueva Galicia. I have several rubios about 5 times. My line ends at Don Diego Rubio de Monrroy of Guadalajara. I only have the marriage date of the IGI. Which is in 1640's. Does anyone else have these ancestors or at least family. Im thinking Diego is a descendant of the conquistador I think its Juan, I have to check with Gary Felix, but the conqus. Rubio de Monrroy son or grandson, who also settled in Guadalajara in the 1570's from la Capital. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

Aunque definitivamente no soy un experto me pongo a sus ordenes para acompañarlos, con todos los recursos que esten a mi alcance, en este tan ambicioso proyecto que es un justo reconocimiento a la labor que ustedes desarrollan al frente del grupo. Enhorabuena y felicidades para todos ustedes.

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Lo siguiente es una traduccion de un mensaje que enviamos en ingles el 9 de octubre y que se ha traducido gracias a la generosidad de nuestro miembro David Delgado.

The following is a translation of a message that was sent out in English on October 9 and which has been translated thanks to the generosity of our member David Delgado.

Estimados socios de Nuestros Ranchos:

Esta tarde, José, Mickey y yo tuvimos una llamada telefónica entre Ruth Schirmacher y Lynn Turner de la Biblioteca de Historia Familiar en Salt Lake City durante el cual ellos propusieron que Nuestros Ranchos sirva de grupo de ensayo en usar la tecnología nueva para poner en un índice electrónico en la red internacional documentos latinoamericanos.

Como ustedes ya sabrán, Family Search ya se ha encargado de hacer un índice de la totalidad de lo que ha sobrevivido del Censo Mexicano de 1930. Si usted no lo ha hecho todavía, le sugiero que visite el sitio:

http://www.familysearchindexing.org

y que se inscriba de voluntario, descargue el software y pruebe el software de hacer índices. Se puede escoger trabajar específicamente en la parte de Aguascalientes del Censo Mexicano de 1930 (el que ahora está poniéndose en índice) o cualquier otro de los proyectos que actualmente están poniéndose en índice.

La proposición que se hizo a Nuestros Ranchos es para poner en índice los Censos antiguos de nuestra región (Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes). Este plan requiere que organicemos un grupo núcleo de personas con experiencia en extraer datos de documentos mexicanos para servir de árbitros y cumplir los deberes del control de la calidad (de la labor) y reclutar un grupo mayor en número de voluntarios del grupo y también de otros fuera del grupo quienes tengan la voluntad de hacer la labor de hacer índices.

El primer paso es identificar los censos que queremos poner en índice. El único requisito es que el censo sea uno de los que ya se encuentran en la colección de la Biblioteca de la Historia Familiar. Personalmente, yo creo que los censos de la época colonial serían los más útiles, por eso quisiéramos identificar cualquier y todos los filmes que incluyan los censos de nuestros tres estados, especialmente los de antes 1820. Favor de informarnos de cualquier filme de sus pueblos que ustedes conozcan, especialmente si son de los censos más antiguos. Muchos de ellos se encuentran inscriptos en la lista del catálogo bajo el título Censo, Padrón o Padrones pero muchos otros están inscriptos en las listas de documentos parroquiales o se incluyen en un filme con otros documentos (bautismos, matrimonios, etc.).

Además, si usted alguna vez ha usado un filme de la época colonial o quisiera participar de árbitro de control de la calidad, favor de informarnos.

Yo creo que ésta es una gran oportunidad para cada uno de nosotros contribuya a la investigación genealógica de nuestra región. Los índices estarán disponibles al público en general para investigación en la red así como también los imágenes de los filmes de los censos. Por acordar en proveer voluntarios para este proyecto, recibimos prioridad para que los datos electrónicos de los censos asi como las imagenes de los filmes se pongan en la red. Estoy muy emocionado personalmente acerca del proyecto y halagado que la Biblioteca de la Historia Familiar escogió a Nuestros Ranchos ser el grupo para el ensayo. Espero que todos ustedes podrán compartir en este entusiasmo.

I am so excited, I bought the book last week and I will surely be getting it this week or the next.

Best Regards
Humberto

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Joseph Puentes and Members,

Please note that I have added the following Film #'s and IGI Batch Numbers in the Films Section:

For Etzatlan, Jalisco:
Batch M602979/#0282233 Marriages 1880-1885

For San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco:
Batch M603413/#0220710 Marriages 1823-1841
Batch M603414/#0220711 Marriages 1841-1864
Batch M603415/#0220712 Marriages 1864-1878

For Cuatitlan, Jalisco:
Batch C030619/#N/A Baptisms Girls 1843-1865

For Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco:
Batch C029680/#N/A Baptisms Girls 1786-1792

Also, I was unable to post the following Batch Numbers for Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, because that municipality is not included in the Jalisco pull-down menu. But they are listed below because I thought some members might be interested in them.

For Ayo el Chico, Jalisco:
Batch C604472/#0280672 Baptisms 1764-1786
Batch C604474/#0280674 Baptisms 1799-1819
Batch J604473/#0280673 Baptisms Boys 1768-1799
Batch K604473/#0280673 Baptisms Girls 1768-1799

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

Ronnie,

I found your message interesting. I have been searching for my Reynoso's for many years. My grandfather, Francisco Reynoso o Renteria used to say that the family records could be found in Jalisco. He never talked much about the family in Mexico and when he did he liked to mix truth with untruth. One never knew what could be believed. I have had to find original source records and prove what I believed to be correct. More fun!

The family lived in Moyahua de Estrada, Zacatecas, Mexico. Grandpa owned Rancho Buena Vista where many family members were born and died. He also owned two other ranchos that I believe were in the area.

The last direct line ancesctor that I have record of is Silverio Reynoso o Renteria of Zacatecas. He married Maria Gregoria Carrillo. He died in Moyahua 14 July 1837. I have seen both names Francisco and Diego Reynoso on the records. I believe one or both, I can't remember right now, are on the records for Juchipila, Zacatecas, Mexico. I know that some of my direct lines are from Juchipila. I have wondered if Francisco and Diego are related to our family. Hope I can learn this in the near future.

Kelly

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From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:56:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reynoso

hola leticia ,perdoname mi espanol, primero como estas ? Lo que se todo Los
Reynoso de Los Altos son dela misma Rama.Eran 2 hermanos un Francisco
Reynoso y un Diego Reynoso .El padre de estos era de Peru.Francisco se quedo
en Jalisco y su hermano Diego se fue a Zacatecas.Todos Los reynoso que viven
en aguascalientes,jalisco y zacatecas vienen de estos hermanos.Toda la gente
de Los Altos son parientes . Ellos estan conectado con uno o dos
ancesteros.Toda la gente tepatitlan son la misma gente inclusive
jalostotitlan y el resto de los altos.
espero tu repuesta
tu pariente y a casi todos do Los Altos

Ronnie Reynoso

>From: leticia reynoso
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reynoso
>Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:58:17 -0500
>
>
>Hello Ronnie, I only know my family is from Tepatitlan Jalisco, and my
>father said every person in Tepatitlan ( I mean every Reynoso) are
>siblings... I have the first Reynoso in Mexico D.F. about 1833.. but I have
>many Reynoso's I don't Know yet in Guadalajara.. my Grandfather Rafael
>Reynoso y Martinez married with Carmen Ballesteros de la Mora,Alvarez Del
>Castillo, Barba y Coronado..
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>english please..
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Esther asked how much room the software takes...

FamilySearch Indexing takes up about 20-30 MBs.

There have been a lot of questions about indexing, and I doubt that all can be addressed in the mailing list. If you want to learn more you can visit http://www.familysearchindexing.org and click the "Help" tab at the top of the screen. These tutorials will explain a lot about the program in general. Specific instructions will be made available when your pilot project begins. I would recommend that everyone go through lessons 1, 3 & 4 to get a basic understanding of how the program works.

On a side note. You can index offline...you will download the images (as has been mentioned) to your computer, then you can choose to work offline. This is great for those of us that commute to work, or travel (fly, etc) because we can work while offline, then when we connect our computers back up to the internet we can submit the work we've done. All this is explained in the tutorials.

-Lynn

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Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members:

This afternoon, Joseph, Mickey and I had a conference call with Ruth Schirmacher and Lynn Turner of the Family History Library in Salt Lake City where they proposed that Nuestros Ranchos serve as the pilot group to use Family Search's new digital online indexing technology to index Latin American records.

As most of you are probably aware, Family Search has already taken on indexing the entirety of the surviving 1930 Mexico Census. If you have not yet done so, I suggest you go to:

http://www.familysearchindexing.org

and sign up as a volunteer, download the software and try out the indexing software. You can choose to specifically work on the Aguascalientes portion of the 1930 Mexico census (which is now being indexed) or any other one of the indexing projects currently being worked on.

The proposal made to Nuestros Ranchos is for the indexing of earlier censuses from our region (Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes). What this would require would be getting a core of people from the group who are experienced in extracting Mexican records to serve as arbitrators and do quality control and to recruit a larger group of volunteers from within the group and from outside of it who would be willing to do the indexing.

The first step is to identify the censuses that we would want to index. The only prerequisite is that the census be filmed in the Family History Library's collection. I personally believe that colonial era censuses would be the most useful, so we would like to identify any and all films that include censuses from our three states, especially those from before 1820. Please let us know of any films from your towns that you know of, especially if they are older censuses. Many are listed in the catalog with the subject as "Census", "Padron" or "Padrones" but many others are simply listed under parroquial records or are included in a film with other records (baptisms, marriages, etc).

Also, if you have ever used a colonial era census film or would like to participate as an arbitrator to do quality control, please let us know.

I think this is a great opportunity for each of us to contribute to genealogy research from our region. The indexes will be made available for searching to the general public online as will the images of the census films. By agreeing to provide volunteers for this project, we get the digitization and online availabilty of these census films prioritized. I personally am very excited about the project and flattered that the Family History Library chose Nuestros Ranchos to be the pilot group. I hope you can all share in this excitement.

Thanks Joseph for recording the conversation, I am such an auditory learner.
I have some questions about being involved as an indexer (not an
arbitrator..lol).

Questions:
1) Where would we get the census and notary records that are being asked for
us to index?
a) Would these records be provided to us?
2) There is a present sentiment of not duplicating existing church records
of marriages or baptisms, however some of these records do no exist for
certain time frames.
a) Personally, I would be interested in helping with this data, even if
augmented through census data. More specifically, records missing for
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. Would these records/films be made available for us to help
with the indexing?
3) There are 26 films, will each of us be responsible for one, or will
there will be several of us working on them to double check against our data
input?

While I am a full time public school teacher and part-time professor, I find
myself very busy, but am willing to help in any way I can....If I have the
film at my disposition, in a readable format, I have no problems inputting
data. However, if I have to take photo copies of the film, after picking up the
film, this may be more problematic.

Hey, just for kicks, I am putting this in: my great great grandmother was
the only person who proudly indicated that she was NOT CATHOLIC in one of the
census. She indicated that she was Presbyterian...now where did she get that
from (LOL).

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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Did anybody go to the Texas Hispanic Conference?

I was hoping for some kind report or article.

--
Esther A. Herold

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> Hello Arturo:
>
> Well, I am not going either.
>
> Last month I went to Aguascalientes and Leon, Gto., Guadalajara & Lagos de
> Moreno. And.....I came back with the ecoli bacteria again! Right now, I am
> on some strong drug.....because I need to get well!!!
>
>
> In Nov, Lee & I are going to Veracruz. And, of course our trip to Vegas for
> New Years is all set. Our oldest daughter is joining us this year.
>
> However, I am doing genealogy. I am going to help Angel Brown publish some
> records out of Mexico. I need to help so that can come out as soon as
> possible. Will tell you later....
>
> Arturo....I got a couple of copies of some Teocaltiche stuff.....could not
> get the book itself....so a copy is just as good. I bought the cabildo
> records of Guadalajara...and got home..... read my list and it shows that I have
> them in my library....have looked and looked and cannot find them!!!!
>
> When I have time I will tell you about my trip to Mexico.....it was a trip
> from hell! Although, it was also funny and crazy!! One thing I will tell
> you....I will never, and I mean never stay with anyone again. I mean their
> home!!! I really missed having Josie with me....we seem to get along okay.
>
> Josie is in the process of moving to Houston. She will be living pretty
> close. Her daughter lives here....maybe 20 miles or less? She bought a house
> and is selling her San Antonio home.
>
> Do you remember the lady that we know that sold some records to
> Ancestry.com? I do not want to mention any names.....the records were not hers
> to
> sell......she was paid $15,000.00 which went into her pocket. Well, last
> Friday
> she was picked up by the DA's office taken to jail and booked. For
> genealogy????
> For stealing, really, not for the $15,000 but for about $3800.00 from the
> last year's conference held in Corpus Christi. Only in Texas!!! She was
> with the SAGA group. Acturally she was SAGA; she would not let anyone see the
> treasury report...or any other report... The group has 'regrouped' and are
> trying to keep afloat with the terrible reputation that has befallen them.
>
> Anyway, that is not just idle gossip. I cannot imagine why someone would
> mess their reputation for such a small amount of money.
>
> Mickey
>
>
>
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Carlos de Esparza & Rafael de Esparza

Carlos arrived in Ecuador in 1582

Rafael arrived in Mexico City in 1578 (before Lope!)

I have no doubt there related somehow, they descend from the same House of Esparza.
There might be a higher chance that Rafael is the brother of Lope. Since they both arrived in Mexico city.

Source:

Daniel Mendez del Camino

Hello,

I just wanted to let everyone know, that Lynn Turner a member of the Ranchos
group, will be teaching at the conference in Salt Lake. So I suggest that
those of us, that attend stop by and say hi, to Lynn.

And maybe those us who attend, can get together and introduce ourselves.

Jonathan

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From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salt Lake City Conference
Date: 10/04/07 14:36

>
> As it turns out I will not be able to attend the conference in Salt Lake
City that will be held in two weeks.
>
> There is however, at least one Ranchos member who will be attending and
would like to meet any other Ranchos members attending and perhaps share
accomodations. Please contact me personally and I can help put you in
touch.

Hey everyone...

I just posted on my blog the latest schedule for the annual Hispanic genealogy
and family history conference at the FHL (Family History Library) in Salt Lake
City. I posted it before the FHL did, shh...

http://hispanicgenealogy.blogspot.com

The conference will be October 19 and 20

Lynn

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I just returned from Jalpa, Zacatecas. As someone mentioned and I already
knew Jalpa records are skimpy....very skimpy. What I found out and yet to
verify. The Arechigas arrived in Jalpa at approx 1820, it was 7 brothers and one
sister from Spain. The Chavez arrived to Jalpa in approx 1880 from Ixtlan
Jalisco, there were two or three cousins Vicente Chavez Sanchez, Daniel Chavez
married to Emiteria Sanchez, a third possible cousin was Refugio Chavez.

I also got a book recently a professor on the story of Jalpa, if anyone is
interested, I can give title and email address to the professor at La Casa de la
Cultura.

Juanita, I live in Los Angeles and Dr. Maloney is here is Santa Monica, hope
your eye surgery went well.

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Hello everybody! I wento the FHC and happen to notice they had the Catalogos a Indias from 1509-1680. I quicky remembered about Don Lope! So I scanned myself a copy of Lope and his maestro Don Enrique de Manleon. I have both now for my records and it dates 1593 in Mexico City. If anyone wants one I can scan one over email. Email me at

I have just posted a new link in the LINKS section of the site that points to the site of the Biblioteca Publica del Estado de Jalisco which is run under the auspices of the Universidad de Guadalajara.

The library's collection includes a large manuscript collection dating from early colonial times including the archives of the Real Audiencia de Guadalajara and the Franciscan Fund which holds the original manuscripts of the Historia de la Conquista de Nueva Galicia.

Fondo Franciscano.- (1531-1950)

Formada por 340 volúmenes de documentos procedentes de algunos conventos y colegios de Guadalajara. Cada volumen incluye documentos de diversos asuntos: Cédulas, Órdenes, Bulas y algunas monografías, destacando la obra de don Matias de la Mota Padilla "HISTORIA DE LA CONQUISTA DE LA NUEVA GALiCIA", basada en los archivos de los conventos de San Francisco de Guadalajara y Zapopan, principalmente en los apuntes de Fray Antonio Tello. El "LIBRO CUARTO DE LAS FUNDACIONES DE LOS CONVENTOS DE LA SANTA PROVINCIA DE JALISCO Y DE ALGUNAS COSAS DIGNAS DE MEMORIA QUE HAY EN ELLA" obra de Fray Antonio Tello y Ia "FISICA PARTICULARIS" de Francisco Javier Clavijero.

Archivo de la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara.- (1530-1821)

Constituye uno de los acervos más importantes para la Historia de la región, además de ser uno de los de mayor volumen. Está integrado por expedientes y cuadernos que emanaron de ésta Institución desde su fundación en 1548, aunque la mayor parte del archivo contiene documentos a partir de 1560, cuando la Audiencia se traslada a Guadalajara, al declararse esta ciudad su sede definitiva. La Audiencia ejerció funciones políticas, Administrativas, Judiciales y de Gobierno. Los expediente se encuentra organizados bajo los siguientes ramos:

RAMO CIVIL: (1530-1821) Con documentos referentes a causas civiles que conocían los oidores, pleitos sobre tierras, aguas o minas; propiedad de esclavos, cobranzas de dinero, concursos de bienes sobre deudas; testamentos e inventarios de intestados, etc. Consta de 447 cajas, con 7359 registros de inventario que ya están integrados en una base de datos.

RAMO CRIMINAL: (1600-1821) Con documentos referentes a las causas criminales o hechos de sangre y violencia, que eran presentados ante la Audiencia y sus Alcaldes del Crimen. Este ramo cuenta con 174 cajas, 2715 registros de inventario integrados en base de datos.

RAMO FISCAL. (1580-1847) Consta de 1775 libros encuadernados en piel, tocan asuntos Fiscales, manifestaciones del Real Ensaye, caudales del ramo de peajes, tabacos, papel sellado, renta de naipes, registro de reales alcabalas, etc. Esta inventariado e integrado en base de datos.

Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de Difuntos.- (1549-1821)

Son 297 cajas, 3314 expedientes, con documentos que tratan en su mayoría asuntos sobre bienes de particulares que murieron sin dejar testamento pero además contiene documentos sobre causas civiles, inventarios de bienes de haciendas, legados y otra diversidad de asuntos. Esta integrado en una base de datos.

Archivo de examenes de Abogados.-

Este acervo esta integrado por 402 expedientes referentes a solicitudes para exámenes de Abogados y Escribanos Públicos de la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara.15 expedientes que van de 1720 a 1820y 387 expedientes del Supremo Tribunal de Justicia, que van de 1823 a 1911. Está inventariado e integrado en base de datos.

Archivo del Supremo Tribunal de Justicia del Estado de Jalisco. (1822-1919)

Is there a resource for early marriage records from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. There appears to be no filmed marriage records prior to 1663.

I am looking for the marriage of Felipe Diaz de Santiago with Isabel de Turises which should have occured sometime between 1630 and 1640.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

Hola a Todos!

Busco algien que se llama Genaro Martinez nacido alrededor ¿1890-1895?, hijo de Aurelio Martinez. No conosco la madre. Y no conosco donde nacio. Solamente se que debe de ser Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas o Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Muy agradecida por cual quer ayuda.

Sofia

Hello Everyone!

I am looking for someone called Genaro Martinez who I believe was born ¿1890-1895?, son of Aurelio Martinez. I do not know the mothers name and I do not know where he was born, but I am certain it must be Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Thank you for any help.

Sofia

This person would like to know about the Villasenor/Cervantes/Lara
ancestral lines. You can either email me your replies or to the group
and I'll forward the messages.

thanks,

joseph

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Subject: Re: Nuevo Leon or Not?
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:04:05 -0500
From: j
To: Clean
References: <001801c7fd30$58fa3a80$0c00a8c0@Johnny>
<46F5DE80.6060808@nc.rr.com> <002901c7fd99$530ddeb0$0c00a8c0@Johnny>
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Joseph,

I see that there is no real headway with my desire to seek my mother's
ancesters through you, so I will then approach my communications with
you with an interest in the Jalisco research. I am submitting my
portion of my research dealing with 3 generations of Micheles if you are
willing to show me what research your organization has on the
Villasenor/Cervantes/Lara ancestral line which I need to begin to
complete this line of my ancestry. Let me know what you are willing to
part with, but it is this line of ancestry that I am most interested in
because this is the line that takes us into the European line of
connected ancestry. Let me hear from you soon. Just as soon as I hear
from you I will send you the 3 generations of Michel ancestry.
Primarily what I am interest in at this point is to hear that you do
have research on this line of ancestry leading into the European
ancestral line.

Juan Andres Michel

I am looking for descendencia de Diego Vázquez de Buendía
Diego Vázquez de Buendía puede ser hijo del conquistador casó con
Josepha Flores que era difunta el 12 de Octubre de 1645 cuando testó el
padre de ella Don Hernán Flores de la Torre.

Doña Juana Velázquez y el Capitán Diego Vázquez De Buendía tuvieron 3
hijos y 4 hijas, de los que se sabe hasta ahora son:
Tercera Generación
3-1 Juana VÁZQUEZ Velázquez
3-2 Hernán VÁZQUEZ Velázquez
Palomino y Cañedo dice que su descendencia al parecer quedó en
Aguascalientes.
Any information related to them, I will apreciate. I concentrate por years
my research to Jalisco and not until now that I begin participating in
Nuestros Ranchos that I am searching in Zacatecas and Aguscalientes.
Thank you

Sylvia H Corona

Let me suggest that you visit the "Mexico folder" link below, of a new Family Search (Research Wiki - Beta) page that contains all-around information about finding ancestors in Mexico.

It includes about 50 recent Articles (written this year by LDS family history experts), - - - with descriptive information, links and references with a high quantity of research sources, bibliographies, disertations, monographs, lessons, and other concepts relating to research about ancestries in Mexico.

http://www.familysearchwiki.org/u-s-and-canada/mexico/

Happy browsing, and good hunting !

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

I am a descendant of the Juan Caliz also. I descend throught the Arredondos who married Santos COy and the Yslas Palacios of the mining area of Villaldama, Nuevo Leon who also married Santos Coy.

THe dna testing the results posted out on Gary Felix's Genealogy of Mexico website suggest a semitic origin to the family.

http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Jan Jaeckle : --------------

> Hi Ed,
>
> Bernardo de los Santos Coy does appear to have created his name, although
> we cannot be sure since no one has been able to find the genealogy of his
> parents, especially his father, Juan de Caliz.
>
> However, the "Coy" part of his name is from his mother, Catalina Gomez de
> Coy. The musing about a Scottish visitor named McCoy traveling in Spain comes
> from Rodolfo Gonzalez dela Garza in "Mil Familias de Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon,
> Coahuila y Texas, Tomo III." His extensive info comes from documents & personal
> interviews. I suspect that the idea was oral Santoscoy family history suggested
> to Mr. Gonzalez decades ago when he did his original interviews.
>
> Jan
> Edward Serros wrote:
>
> There is a connection between the de los Santos Coy/de la Garza Falcon families
> of Saltillo/Monterey and Valparaiso, Zacatecas.(Ranchos area). I tried to attach
> the marriage dispensation record from the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara which
> documents such a connection to my file in the Ranchos data but I was
> unsuccessful. I will retry later.
>
> I would like to communicate with anybody with any connection with the Santos Coy
> of the Ranchos area. My Felgueres family has two separate marriages with the
> Santos Coy or de los Santos Coy or simply Coy or Coi family in the late 1700's
> and early 1800's.
>
> It is clear to me that the Coys (or McCoys) of Scotland and England have
> absolutely no connection with the de los Santos Coy surname of Mexico which was
> created arbitrarily by the original Bernardo de los Santos Coy (see book "The
> Coy Family Reunion" by Robert Garcia and Yolanda Kirkpatrick, plus other
> sources). The Spanish of the 1500's and 1600's took great liberties with
> apellidos (surnames).
>
> Ed

I have attached a pdf file of what I have so far. I have used the books of Garemendia Leal and the archives of monterrey as sources for this information.
FAMILIAS DE MONTERREY, TOMO III
http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/searchdb.asp
I have Bernardo Santos COy married 2 times.

Also, at the Genealogy of Mexico site by Gary Felix there is a Santos out there from Tamulipias that had the y-dna tested and it looks like the origin is semitic not european.

http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

I hope this helps.

Let me know if there is more I can do.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "phyls esparza" : --------------

> do not know if this is correct but this is what we have found on the
> Coy........
>
> Descendants of Juan de Calis
>
>
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
>
> 1. JUAN1 DE CALIS was born 1575. He married CATALINA GOMEZ DE COY.
>
>
> Child of JUAN DE CALIS and CATALINA DE COY is:
>
> 2. i. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2 COY, b. 1603.
>
>
>
> Generation No. 2
>
>
> 2. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2 COY (JUAN1 DE CALIS) was born 1603. He married
> BEATRIZ RUELAS ROJO.
>
>
> Children of BERNARDO COY and BEATRIZ ROJO are:
>
> 3. i. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY, b. 1625; d. 1675.
>
> ii. CATALINA DE LOS SANTOS COY, b. 1630; m. LORENZO GUTIERREZ GARCIA.
>
>
>
> Generation No. 3
>
>
> 3. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) was
> born 1625, and died 1675. He married INEZ DE LA CERDA 1645.
>
>
> Children of BERNARDO COY and INEZ LA CERDA are:
>
> 4. i. PEDRO COY DE4 LOS SANTOS.
>
> ii. JUAN DE CALIX COY DE LOS SANTOS, m. MARIA DIAZ.
>
> 5. iii. NICOLAS DE LOS SANTOS COY, b. 1645, Coahuila, Mexico.
>
> iv. JOSE DE LOS SANTOS COY, m. LEONARDA GUAJARDO FLORES MARTINEZ.
>
> v. DIEGO DE LOS SANTOS COY.
>
> 6. vi. ANA MARIA DE LA CERDA COY, d. 1707.
>
> vii. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS COY, m. JUANA DE CEPEDA.
>
> viii. CATALINA LOS SANTOS COY, m. (1) FRANCISCO SALAZAR TREVINO; m. (2)
> LORENZO GUTIERREZ GARCIA; b. 1600.
>
>
>
> Generation No. 4
>
>
> 4. PEDRO COY DE4 LOS SANTOS (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY, BERNARDO DE LOS
> SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) He married FRANCISA TREVINO MORALES.
>
>
> Child of PEDRO LOS SANTOS and FRANCISA MORALES is:
>
> i. PEDRO COY5 DE LOS SANTOS, b. 1662; m. MARGARITA MARTINES DE LA GARZA
> FALCON, May 04, 1681; b. 1662.
>
>
>
> 5. NICOLAS DE LOS SANTOS4 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3, BERNARDO DE LOS
> SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) was born 1645 in Coahuila, Mexico. He married ANA
> MARIA GUERRA.
>
>
> Child of NICOLAS COY and ANA GUERRA is:
>
> i. MARIA JOSEFA SANTOS5 COY, b. 1712; m. BLAS MARIA VILLARREAL DE LA GARZA
> FALCON, Abt 1745; b. 1712, Real de las Salinas, Nuevo Leon , Mexico; d.
> 1767, Camargo, Mexico.
>
>
>
> 6. ANA MARIA DE LA CERDA4 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3, BERNARDO DE LOS
> SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) died 1707. She married DIEGO FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO.
> He was born 1623 in Alferez Real Diego FERNANDEZ CASTRO, and died April 18,
> 1672.
>
>
> Child of ANA COY and DIEGO DE CASTRO is:
>
> i. JOSEFA FERNANDEZ5 CASTRO, b. 1652.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leticia Leon"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ramirez De Coy
>
>
> Hi! I have no clue, yet.
> I am waiting for Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal next edition of "Retonos de
> Espa