Nuestros Ranchos Site

I receive a newsletter weekly from Pat Gooldy of Ye Olde Genealogy Shoppe. The following is an excerpt from her latest newsletter that I thought I should share with the group.

Emilie

I belong to an online newsletter called "Librarians Serving Genealogists", which comes out daily with interesting information and inquiries. It is a free newsletter and, although anyone can join it, it is aimed mostly at genealogical librarians. The general public will find the information of limited use. They do not answer research questions from the general public. Recent inquiries and answers concern how to give a lecture on the services offered by (and differences) between Ancestry.Com and ProQuest, what services and materials area are needed when setting up a new genealogy library, how to interact more with the public etc.

Recently, this information came in one of the emails, and I thought I would share it with you. The names of the librarians involved have been deleted since there is no purpose is listing them here.

Question: Twice I have found a California Death Record in both the vital search- ca.com website and the microfiche California death records that we have in our library, but failed to find it in the California Death Records on the Ancestry Library edition database. I didn't find it under the name nor under the social security number no matter how I searched. Has anyone else noticed a problem like this?

Answers:

1) We don't have the California death indexes in our library, so I can't say for sure about those records. However, I do know that the Washington Death Index as it appears on AncestryLibrary is incomplete. The database is supposed to cover Washington deaths from 1940-1996, but routinely deaths from the 1950s and early 1960s and even some from the 1970s do not show up. But those deaths are on the microfilm. There doesn't appear to be any explanation for the gaps, and it's been that way for several years. I don't know if they are updating the database or not. Knowing that the Washington Index is so spotty has made me suspicious of the other death indexes on AncestryLibrary. Your experience with the California records seems to confirm those suspicions. I know no index is ever perfect, and I am grateful for the records that are there. But it would be nice if Ancestry could add a note or something explaining that there are gaps, or that the indexes are being updated--so
me clue!

2) In the Washington State Death Index on Ancestry there is a 10 year period (roughly 1955-1965) when there were only about 6 people who died. If you search the index with just the year, you'll see most years in this period show 0 deaths. If ancestry fails, we always check the microfilm. 9.5 times out of 10 we find the listing there.

Thanks for clarifying Joseph. I thought it was names...but I still would like the census. It's good information to have!
Peggy

----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 12:21:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] 2000 Mexican Census

Just a note of clarification in case some are not understanding. The pdf
that Steven and Jonathan are referring to only includes information on
the towns and NOT the names of individuals in those towns.

Jonathan has been very gracious and helping to the group, just ask
anyone from the group that has travelled to SLC and met him. He has also
put a lot of work into this great resource. It would be a very very nice
gesture for the receiving parties to offer to compensate him for his
effort in assembling the information on the CD.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

mexicanfhr wrote:
> The pdf files for the 2000 Mexican census, did come from my Resource CD. Those that would like a copy, can contact me off the list (at mexicanfhr@gmail.com) to make arrangements to get one.
>
> Also, the files for Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas, were in the file section on the yahoo Ranchos group.
>
> And the Family History Library does have copies of the same report, for the 1960 and the 1990 census.
>
> Jonathan

8. Latin American Pamphlet Digital Collection
http://vc.lib.harvard.edu/vc/deliver/home?_collection=LAP

Over the centuries, thousands of pamphlets have been published to serve
various purposes. Some have been preserved by individuals and prescient
institutions, but countless others have disappeared forever. Harvard
University's Widener Library has over 5000 pamphlets from 19th and 20th
century Latin America, and until recently, they remained uncataloged and
mostly inaccessible. Visitors to this site can browse the collection by
title, subject, name, and genre. The materials offered here range from
documents on accounting practices to those dealing with yellow fever.
Additionally, visitors looking for descriptive documents that describe
unexplored territories and the relationship between church and state will
not be disappointed. The site also contains a nice help feature and
visitors can also email questions to staff members at the library. [KMG]

Por medio de este foro quisiera saber mas acerca del origuen del Apellido Tavares, mi ancestro mas remoto es Eligio Tavares de Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, anteriormente llamado Santa Maria de los Lagos , Jalisco.

Eligio Tavares se caso con Juliana Ortiz en el año de 1862 y tubo los siguientes hijos:

Nemecia Tavarez Ortiz 1862
Maria Espiridiona Tabares Ortiz 1863
Plasida Tavares Ortiz 1865
Benigna Tabares Ortiz 1867
Jose Merced Tavarez Ortiz 1873
Sostenes Tavares Ortiz 1874
Cayetana Tavares Ortiz 1878
Andres Tavares Ortiz 1880

Andres Tavares Ortiz se caso con Julia Gomez Collazo en el año de 1907, actualmente sus descendientes
viven en Fresnillo Zacatecas y la Ciudad de Mexico.

Espero estos Datos sirvan para hacer algun nexo con otros miembros del grupo e intercambiar informacion.

Thank you! My brother spent years looking into my mom's side of the family. I know it was a lot of work. This is excellent advice. I will pursue it. I know that this type of research requires verification after verification. If, Librada, Pabla & Porfirio were aunts & uncle to my grandfather, then I may be seeing where my grandfather's name came from. But, I don't want to jump to conclusions, so I need to get the records you referenced. I appreciate your help. Thanks.

Steve Macias

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:09:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pablo Macias' Grandparents

Steve:

Welcome to the group and congratulations on your early finds. I am sure you will realize that this becomes a never ending quest with each discovery and confirmation only opening up more questions and opportunities for further research.

One thing that I would suggest is that if you have not yet looked at the actual baptism record for your grandfather Pablo Macias, you order the relevant film and look at it. In the archdiocese of Guadalajara, all baptisms were required to list the names of the four grandparents beginning around 1810... thus his baptism should confirm his maternal grandparents' names.

The pattern of Jacinto being used as the daughters surname... changed to Jacinta was not uncommon especially among indigenous people who otherwise lacked a surname, i.e. the second name became the surname. Vicente appears to not have had a surname since in the baptism of his daughter Librada he is listed with no surname.

If Anastacia Jacinta is indeed your ancestor, these would be her siblings:

Librada JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: F Marriage: 09 Jan 1884 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
LIBRADA N. MARQUES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 AUG 1864 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico

Pabla JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: F Marriage: 15 Oct 1884 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico

Porfirio JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: M Marriage: 09 May 1888 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico

I am researching my grandfathers branch of the family tree. I have considerable oral information. Enough to get started at least. Here is what I know of my grandfather. His name was Pablo Macias.

Pablo Macias was born 29 June 1884 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco. His father was Justo Macias. According to my aunt, his mother was Anastacia Guzman. She is certain that her grandfather's name was Justo. (I have an uncle with the same name.) She was not certain of her grandmother. She was sure that her first name was Anastacia. Guzman was the part she questioned. In my brief research, after joining this group, I found that my greatgrandmother's name could be Anastasia Jacinta. I consider this information pursuable due to the fact that I located Anastasia Jacinta married to Justo Macias on Feb. 18 of 1879 in Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco. The Justo Macias was the son of Francisco Macias and Jesus Gusman.

My aunt is 86. My father is 80. They both traveled to Ayo El Chico, along with my grandfather, two or three times, and years ago. My grandfather died in 1973. They met their cousins during the trips. According to my aunt, my grandfather had a brother named Julio Macias. Julio had four children, 2 boys and 2 girls. The boy's were Miguel and Benjamin. One of the girl's was named Victoria. My aunt also reported that my grandfather had 2 sisters.

In their visits, my aunt told me that she met, or learned of, a man named Juan Lopez. He would be about my grandfather's age and was reportedly one of his best friends.

I should also add that my grandfather moved from Jalisco at an early age. He ended up in North Texas.

Back to Anastasia Jacinta, I see that her father's name was Vicente Jacinto and her mother's name was Refugio Marques. If I establish that I am a desendent of Anastasia Jacinta, I will be very curious about this family as well.

Well that's enough for now. I welcome any information that would assist me in my effort to learn more about my family.

Thanks

Steve Macias

Buenas tardes a todos!

Este es mi primer post y me da mucho gusto finalmente formar parte de Nuestros Ranchos. Tengo casi 10 an~os trabajando en el arbol genealogico y ya tengo como 1500 personas en el. Es muy interesante ver como todo mundo en Nuestros Ranchos es "familia" de un modo u otro. Mis familias incluyen: de Moctezuma, Hermosillo, Gutierrez de Hermosillo, Gonzalez de Hermosillo, Ruiz de Esparza, Romo, Romo del Vivar, Enriquez, Gomez, Munoz de la Barba, Ramirez de Mendoza, Samaniego, Soria, Reynoso etc etc

Ahora vivimos en San Antonio, TX pero las ultimas 4 generaciones de mi familia son de Juchipila, Amoxochitl, Moyahua y Apozol, Zac. Por historias de los abuelos se que durante la revolucion se perdieron muchos registros y pues he topado con una pared. Se que originalmente llegaron de Aguascalientes y Jalisco pero hay como 150 an~os que no he podido encontrar. Especialmente me interesan los Enriquez, Samaniego, Soria, Reynoso y Esparza del area de Juchipila, Amoxochitl, Moyahua y Apozol de entre el 1650 y 1800.

Alguno de ustedes tiene alguna idea de como pudiera encontrar mas info?

Gracias!

I just returned last night from a visit to my parents' home in Mexico and had the pleasure of spending a couple of days in the archives in Guadalajara with the town historian (cronista) of Totatiche, Esteban Valdes Salazar. We visited the Biblioteca Publica del Estado as well as the Archivo Historico del Estado de Jalisco.

The former archive has the archives of the Real Audiencia de Guadalajara, including records of civil and criminal legal proceedings. At that archive, I was able to locate a copy of the 1711 will of Pedro Carlos de Godoy, which was included as part of the litigation documentation over that will. A transcription of the will is included in my file folder. It includes a wealth of genealogical information about the Carlos de Godoy family as well as some interesting information about customs related to property and inheritance. For example, he takes account of what each of his two wifes brought the respective marriages, compared to his wealth, presumably to show that what he was willing was in fact his and not his wife's... Also he leaves his unmarried daughters a disproportionate amount of wealth, presumably so that they can pay their dowries, which he makes clear he had paid for his married daughters.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13649

The latter archive includes the Fondo de Tierras y Aguas which includes "mercedes de tierra" or land grants made by the Spanish Crown as well as later divisions, sale and clarification of land boundaries. The collection has many documents related to families in our region. I reviewed the indices which the archive has compiled on the collection, paying special attention to the Jerez and Tlaltenango jurisdictions and read through a couple of documents related to land grants to Francisco Escobedo and Felipe Lemus... This collection is all filmed and available through LDS though a good index is key.

I need help, since everyone know that I descend from Don Juan del Camino, hidalgo who was the preseident de la audencia and grandchild of Juan Camino, a hidalgo who was the register and conquistador had a coat of arms. I would love to see my families coat of arms. Finally a line with proof and evidence with coat of arms its a fun breakthrough! I got hte coat of arms from Pares but cant seem to see it. Its sys its microfilmed. I want to know the microfilm number can someone point it out. Here is all the info. The family line currently ends at Juan I Camino's father who is Garcia del Camino, hidalgo born around

Texto de búsqueda "camino" , entre las fechas 1300 y 1600 , del Archivo Archivo General de Indias , dentro de la unidad Mapas y Planos
RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "Escudo de armas de Juan del Camino, hidalgo, vecino de Guadalajara, poblador de Nueva Galicia y maestre de Campo en el ejército de Cristóbal de Barrios"
Archivo: Archivo General de Indias
Signatura: MP-ESCUDOS,40
Soporte:

ÁREA DE CONTEXTO
Historia Institucional / Reseña Biográfica:
patronato
Signatura Histórico:
PATRONATO,169,N.1,A.1538,R.7
ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Camino, Juan del
Escudos de armas
Guadalajara (México)
Nueva Galicia. Poblador
Unidades Relacionadas por Procedencia:
Es PATRONATO, 169,N.1,A.1538,R.7

SOPORTE Y VOLUMEN
1 Mapa(s)/Plano(s) en Soporte: Pergamino

REFERENCIA MICROFILM
C-7421

Yolanda,
My grandfather Antonio Portillo was born in Santa Rosalia in 1888. Would you
be so kind as to look in your data base for any information concerning this
part of my family. On his mother's side the surname is either Gamero,
Gomero, or something similar. I believe he had a sister named Juana.
By the way I lived In Las Cruces most of my life, but now am living in
Austin.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Gilbert Paez
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:39 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: General Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10

Send General mailing list submissions to
general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

http://lists.nuestrosranchos.org/listinfo.cgi/general-nuestrosranchos.o…

or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
general-owner@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of General digest..."

Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
DAILY DIGEST
****************************************

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Los "de Angola" (Bill Figueroa)
2. Re: Santa Rosalia - Angola (Bill Figueroa)
3. Re: Santa Rosalia (tex1@clearwire.net)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:00:04 -0600
From: "Bill Figueroa"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los "de Angola"
To:
Message-ID: <004401c82a2e$61fd46b0$0401a8c0@hp4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hola Felipe,

Estoy seguro que el v?nculo al que te refieres es real, porque he encontrado
referencias en los registros de Aguascalientes que indican que muchos
hacendados ten?an esclavos originarios de Angola. Sin embargo, esto no
tiene nada que ver con el caso del Sr. Cruz Bustamante. El hecho que alguien
escribi? en su record "Aguascalientes, Angola" es probablemente un error
cometido por la persona que hizo el ?ndice que de Ancestry.com. Yo supuse
que Lupe se refer?a a tiempos m?s antiguos porque no hab?a le?do sus correos
anteriores.

Bueno, ya que tocamos el tema de los esclavos en M?xico, debo decirte que
creo que muchos eran originarios de Angola. He visto en algunos registros
que a esclavas negras no bautizadas se les daba como apellido el nombre de
su pa?s de origen. As? por ejemplo he encontrado algunas con nombres como
Mar?a de Angola, Juana Angola, etc. Lo mismo pasaba con los indios. He
encontrado a una Mar?a Chichimeca, etc. Es probable que as? se haya
originado el apellido Angola que mencionas en tu correo.

Como sabr?s, los Portugueses llevaron grandes cantidades de esclavos a
Brazil. Era un negocio que extendieron al resto de Iberoam?rica, incluyendo
la Nueva Espa?a. Otra raz?n puede ser que haya sido el idioma, ya que el
portugu?s es muy parecido al castellano. El portugu?s suena como un espa?ol
muy antiguo. Nunca he tenido dificultad comunic?ndome con Portugueses y
Angolanos en su propio idioma, ellos habl?ndome a mi en portugu?s y yo
contest?ndoles en castellano. Es mejor as? que mezclar los dos idiomas en
lo que se conoce conoce como "portu?ol" (mitad portugu?s y mitad espa?ol.

Volviendo al tema, es un hecho que la mayor?a de hacendados tuvieron
esclavos en los siglos XVI y XVII. Mis propios antepasados tuvieron
esclavos negros, no solo en M?xico sino en Centroam?rica. Por ejemplo, el
registro de Defunciones de Aguascalientes dice que "En doce d?as del dicho
mes y a?o [12 Sep 1634] enterr? a un mulato de la estancia de San Bartolom?.
D?josele una misa". La hacienda de San Bartolo era propiedad de Luis
Tiscare?o de Molina y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. M?s adelante hay otra
partida de defunci?n que dice textualmente "En tres dias del mes de henero
de el a?o de 1636 enterre a una negra esclava que truxieron de la estancia
de lope ruis de esparsa dixosele una missa". La estancia de Lope Ruiz de
Esparza era conocida como Morcenique, or Morci?ique, por quedar en las
m?rgenes de dicho r?o. Datos similares aparecen en casi todos los registros
parroquiales y en los padrones de Aguascalientes, empezando con el de 1648.
Claro que hablamos de 100 a?os des
pu?s de la conquista, ya que los primeros esclavos africanos llegaron con
Hern?n Cort?s. Ya por 1636 se hab?an multiplicado y mezclado con la
poblaci?n ind?gena y espa?ola, dando lugar a muchas castas. Esto es m?s
notorio en el Estado de Veracruz, donde quedaron muchos de los descendientes
de los primeros esclavos que vinieron a laborar en la zafra de la ca?a de
az?car y en la siembra de otras cosechas que se dan all? por la fertilidad
de sus tierras.

Bueno Felipe, es todo por hoy. A ver que opinan los dem?s del grupo.

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:21:59 -0600
From: "Bill Figueroa"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia - Angola
To:
Cc: "M. Vallazza"
Message-ID: <004e01c82a39$d761ea40$0401a8c0@hp4>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Dear Marge,

My great-great-grandfather Antonio Frias Jasso moved to Tepic in 1848,
shortly after my great-great grandmother Refugio Ruiz de Esparza died in
Aguascalientes while giving birth to my great-grandmother Josefa Frias
Esparza. Josefa, her brother Antonio and her sisters Refugio, Virginia and
Natalia grew up in Tepic. Then in 1870 my great-grandmother married Wilhelm

L. Strecker, a German engineer. Three of their daughters were born in
Tepic. Wilhelm Strecker and Josefa Frias moved to Guatemala City in 1878,
where their son Guillermo was born in 1879. That child, Guillermo Strecker
Fr?as, was my grandfather. One of three daughters, Mar?a Teresa Strecker
Cabral, was my mother. I was also born in Guatemala, but now live in the
United States. That, in a nutshell, is where my Mexican ancestry starts. I

have traced the Ruiz de Esparza all the way back to Lope Ruiz de Esparza and

two generations before him. He arrived in Mexico City from Pamplona, Spain
in 1593.

My great-grandmother Josefa Frias Esparza lived in Tepic for approximately
31 years. I've found her family records without any difficulty, some at the

Cathedral in Tepic, others at the Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara

and the rest at the Archivo Historico del Estado de Nayarit. My wife and I
have done extensive genealogical research on that side of the family,
including fact-finding trips to Tepic in 2003 and 2004, to Aguascalientes in

2006 and of course to Guatemala for many year, where we have close
relatives.

I've seen the surname Najar in several documents, but not in genealogical
records. Unfortunately, I don't have any relatives with that surname, so
I'm afraid I cannot be of any help in that department. Sorry Marge.

Regards,
Bill Figueroa

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:30:22 -0500
From: tex1@clearwire.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <20071118183022.kc61nhwyskk40ccw@email.clearwire.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed"

Yolanda,
I looked up my records...here's a good one. The death cert. (in hand)
states
date of birth for Cruz was May 3, 1876. Info given by my great uncle. The
information sheets I have him as DOB 4-26-1882 I have checked the census
for
1910 and 1920, both are different. one has him born 1884 and the other
1888.
I guess I really hadn't paid that much attention, as the family listed are
all
correct. I just checked the picture of his grave and it says he was
born 1877.
The stone was put on by his daughters, it does not have DOB, just died at
69
yrs old. Do you have any suggestions. I will get back write on the
Benedicto
and Petra names. I know I've come across those names. I want to talk to my
daughter to see what she has. Thanks
Lupe

Quoting Yolanda Bobby Perez :

> LUPE
> ARE YOUR MATERNAL G.GREATGRANDPARENTS JOSE FELIPE BENEDICTO GARCIA
> AND PETRA DOMINGUEZ ? DOUBLE CHECK YOUR G.GRANDFATHER CRUZ
> BUSTAMANTE'S DOB CAUSE ITS THE SAME AS RAFAELA. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE
> ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLACE, IS YOUR FAMILY FROM SANTA ROSALIA
> DE CAMARGO, CHIHUAHUA? JUST CHECKING, ANY OTHER INFO YOU CAN THINK
> OF JUST SEND IT, IT MIGHT HELP. DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS, SCAN THEM
> AND SEND THEM IF YOU LIKE.
> YOLANDA
>
> tex1@clearwire.net wrote:
> Yolanda,
> Thank you for your reply in helping me look for my family. First, I
> see you are
> from El Paso, I was born and raised there. What a small world.
> Anyway, I am looking for Cruz Bustamante Born 16, Aug. 1883 in Santa
> Rosalia, D.
> 1-May-1931. I know his grave in El Paso. He married Rafaela Garcia 1896. I
> believe at Guardian Angel Church in EP. Rafiela (another spelling) was
born
> 16, Aug. 1883. I believe also in the Santa Rosala area. She died in El
paso.
> My problem is I can't seem to find anything beyond my great grandfather
> Cruz. I
> also can't find much on Rafaela's brothers or sisters. I have only one
known
> sister, Ramona Garcia. Never married or children, born and died in El
Paso.
> Any help would be appreciated. I've never given out info for help, so
> I hope I
> gave you what you might need. Thanks again. Lupe
>
>
> Quoting Yolanda Bobby Perez :
>
>> Lupe
>>
>> Three of my grandparents were from that area Santa Rosalia de
>> Camargo, Chih. I have a small database for that area and if you give
>> me the names that you are looking for I will try and find some info
>> for you. Just give me a little information about them, a timeframe
>> parents whatever you have. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND ALL THE
>> RANCHOS GROUP
>>
>> Yolanda Medina Perez from El Paso
>>
>> Lupe Kerr wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I
>> have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any
>> record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth
>> cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe

Here is a map I've shared with the group before but there are more
members now than then:

http://www.archive.org/download/NFU2007/IstDraft2_copy.jpg

thanks go to Gloria Delgado for getting this map from the Bancroft
library at UC Berkeley,

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Se abre la Convocatoria al Concurso “Historias de Migrantes”

A partir del 15 de noviembre y hasta el 15 de febrero de 2008 estará abierta la convocatoria al segundo concurso de narrativa “Historias de Migrantes”.

Este año el concurso se abre a todo el mundo a fin de conocer la historia de los mexicanos que han emigrado para establecerse temporal o definitivamente en el extranjero.

En este concurso podrán participar todos los mexicanos o personas de origen mexicano mayores de 16 años que hayan vivido el fenómeno de la migración.

Este año se han establecido tres premios según el lugar de residencia que puede ser México, Estados Unidos o cualquier otro país.

El premio consiste de $20,000.00 pesos mexicanos y la publicación de la obra.

El concurso ha sido organizado por el Instituto de los Mexicanos en el Exterior, el Consejo Nacional de Población, el Consejo Nacional para la Cultura y las Artes y el Fondo de Población de las Naciones Unidas.

Vea aquí más detalles sobre el concurso o consulte la página del IME www.ime.gob.mx

I am searching for any decendents of Simon Macias my grandfather born in the
are of San Juan de los Lagos Jal. born about 1889. His parents were Simon
Macias and Sostenes Guerra. Any leads are appreciated.

Thanks,

Sergio Meza

_________________________________________________________________
Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as
$771/month*
https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&s…

Dear Marge,

My great-great-grandfather Antonio Frias Jasso moved to Tepic in 1848,
shortly after my great-great grandmother Refugio Ruiz de Esparza died in
Aguascalientes while giving birth to my great-grandmother Josefa Frias
Esparza. Josefa, her brother Antonio and her sisters Refugio, Virginia and
Natalia grew up in Tepic. Then in 1870 my great-grandmother married Wilhelm
L. Strecker, a German engineer. Three of their daughters were born in
Tepic. Wilhelm Strecker and Josefa Frias moved to Guatemala City in 1878,
where their son Guillermo was born in 1879. That child, Guillermo Strecker
Frías, was my grandfather. One of three daughters, María Teresa Strecker
Cabral, was my mother. I was also born in Guatemala, but now live in the
United States. That, in a nutshell, is where my Mexican ancestry starts. I
have traced the Ruiz de Esparza all the way back to Lope Ruiz de Esparza and
two generations before him. He arrived in Mexico City from Pamplona, Spain
in 1593.

My great-grandmother Josefa Frias Esparza lived in Tepic for approximately
31 years. I've found her family records without any difficulty, some at the
Cathedral in Tepic, others at the Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
and the rest at the Archivo Historico del Estado de Nayarit. My wife and I
have done extensive genealogical research on that side of the family,
including fact-finding trips to Tepic in 2003 and 2004, to Aguascalientes in
2006 and of course to Guatemala for many year, where we have close
relatives.

I've seen the surname Najar in several documents, but not in genealogical
records. Unfortunately, I don't have any relatives with that surname, so
I'm afraid I cannot be of any help in that department. Sorry Marge.

Regards,
Bill Figueroa

Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe

Hi Bill,
Thank you so very much, you are agreat person, hope to meet you one day to thank you in person.

Anna Arellano Smith

----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:58:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Message for Anna Arellano Smith

Hi Anna,

Below is the address for the bookstore where I bought "Los Españoles en
Aguascalientes durante la época colonial". I couldn't find the receipt, but
it'll be easy to find with this information.

The mall is known as "El Parián" and is located at the intersection of
"Francisco Rivero y Gutiérrez" and "Morelos" (Zona Centro). It is a 15
minute walk from the main plaza, the Cathedral and the Palacio Municipal.
Although everybody knows where "El Parián" is, your best bet is to take a
taxi cab from your hotel. Across the street is the beautiful "Templo de San
Diego", built between 1653 and 1682. A lot of history here. It is well
worth a visit and a good landmark to use as a reference point. Next to the
church is a building that was the convent of the franciscan friars, which
houses art exhibits (at the room "Jesús Gómez de Portugal").

As I recall, the bookstore at "El Parián" is on the ground level outside the
building. The phone number for "El Parián" is (449) 915-61-33. If you call
them ahead of time they can give you the bookstore's phone number and its
exact location at the mall.

I'll try to send you more info. about "Encomenderos y Hacendados 1534-1650"
this afternoon. Good luck and have a nice trip.

Bill

Hi Bill,
Do you mind telling me where in Aguascalientes did you buy the books mentioned, i will be in Aguascalientes in about 10 days,
Thank you
Anna Arellano Smith

----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:39:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sancho de Renteria and Angela de Velasco

Message for Hector Felix, et al.

Hector,

In your message of October 19th you stated that you're a descendant of
Sancho de Renteria and Angela de Velasco. I'm not related, but I have an
interest in this family because of its connection with other families in
the region, more specifically to Angela Temiño de Velasco (aka Angela de
Velasco) married to Geronimo de Orosco. They lived in Aguascalientes. Here
is some information about Geronimo de Orosco from the book "Los Españoles en
Aguascalientes durante la época colonial - Origen, desarrollo e influencia
de una minoría" (1st Ed. 2002 pp. 51) by Prof. Jesús Gómez Serrano of the
University of Aguascalientes:

"La influencia ejercida por los inmigrantes en el incipiente pero crucial
desarrollo que se observa en la región de Aguascalientes durante la segunda
mitad del siglo XVI puede detectarse también de otras maneras. Si aceptamos
el valor de los símbolos en la historia, tendremos que conceder gran
importancia al hecho de que la cédula de fundación de la villa de
Aguascalientes haya sido firmada por el vasco Gerónimo de Orozco. En
diciembre de 1574, cuando Orozco asumió la presidencia de la Audiencia de
Guadalajara, recibió del rey instrucciones muy precisas en el sentido de
fortalecer la defensa de la frontera norteña. El mismo, como funcionario de
la Audiencia de México, había recorrido el camino que conducía a las minas
de Zacatecas, constatando la fragilidad de las rutas y los daños, muertes y
robos que hacían los indios chichimecos. Gerónimo de Orozco y su hermano
Juan Bautista, quien lo antecedió en el gobierno de la Audiencia de
Guadalajara, desempeñaron un papel fundamental en la colonización defensiva
de la frontera norteña."

And from the book "Encomenderos y Hacendados 1534-1650" (I don't remember
the name of the author, but can look it up if you'd like):

"Uno de los carreteros mas activos entre 1615 a 1622 fue Gerónimo de Orozco,
descendiente de los primeros pobladores y conquistadores de la Villa de
Aguascalientes, heredó de su abuela doña María de Ortega sitios de ganado
mayor. Los hijos de Gerónimo de Orozco y Angela de Velasco fueron 3 hombres
y 3 mujeres (...)

Apparently the Gerónimo the Orosco that lived in Aguascalientes was the son
of the Governor of the Audiencia de Guadalajara. I'm still not convinced
but I know that they were an important family in early Aguascalientes.
Angela de Temiño y Velasco was a native of the "Villa de los Lagos" in
Jalisco. Any information about the connection between the Angela de Velasco
married to Sancho de Rentería, and Angela Temiño de Velasco (aka Angela de
Velasco) married to Gerónimo de Orosco will be appreciated.

Bill Figueroa

For Yolanda and others,

Below is a link to an article (and other links) with expert guidance
on increasing the longevity of documents, and proper preservation of
valuable and often irreplaceable family history photographs and papers.

http://scrapbooking.about.com/library/weekly/bldocumentpreservation.h
tm

...and for preservation, storage, handling and display materials and
supplies you may want to visit http://webyfl.com

As an aside, almost without exception, the thousands of people who lost
their homes to the recent fires that ravaged some of our areas in Southern
California mourned as their "heaviest loses" the destruction of family
records and keepsakes.

Let's all learn how to keep our family records safe for our own sakes, and
that of our posterity !

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: Yolanda Wilkerson
> To:
> Date: 11/15/2007 11:49:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Laminating Birth Cert.
>
> Marge Thanks. I live in a small town we do have a historical society. I
will
> ask them. Again thanks so much
> Yolanda Ks
>
> If today is your worst day,
> then tomarrow will be better.
>
> MySpace URL; myspace.com/yacw
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M.Vallazza"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Laminating Birth Cert.
>
>
> >I would ask a photo archivist. I think laminating it would be a
> > BIIIIIIG mistake. It needs to be kept in an acid free archival type
> > folder, etc., so a photo archivist would be best to ask. Marge:)
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Yolanda Wilkerson wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone it has been awhile since I have been online. We found out
> >> about a month ago my mother has colon cancer, so taking care of my
> >> parents comes first. In visiting with them one day my father told me
> >> that he found his fathers birth certificate and baptismal cert. from
> >> mexico. So my question to you is
> >> Should I laminate it to keep it from turning yellow or do I leave it
> >> as is.
> >>
> >> Yolanda (Jauregui-Caudillo) Wilkerson
> >> Ks
> >> If today is your worst day,
> >> then tomorrow will be better.
> >>
> >> My URL; my.com/yaw
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >>
> >> To post, send email to:
> >> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >>
> >> To change your subscription, log on to:
> >> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >>
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
>
>

Hi everyone it has been awhile since I have been online. We found out about a month ago my mother has colon cancer, so taking care of my parents comes first. In visiting with them one day my father told me that he found his fathers birth certificate and baptismal cert. from mexico. So my question to you is
Should I laminate it to keep it from turning yellow or do I leave it as is.

Yolanda (Jauregui-Caudillo) Wilkerson
Ks
If today is your worst day,
then tomorrow will be better.

My URL; my.com/yaw

John Schmal has joined the group. John doesn't have roots in our area of
research but has done extensive research for others in our area of
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. He will be submitting some of
the work he has done for others as his representative genealogy. John
will be a great addition to the group because when you describe him as a
"serious" researcher you need to use a capital "S" in the word "Serious."

welcome to the group John,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hello Everyone!

I wondered if anyone knew where Chupadero or Chupaderos is? Its the first time I have found it in my family history. I found it in the Baptisimo records for San Jose, Ojuelos de Jalisco. Is it in Zacatecas, Jalisco or San Luis Potosi?

Thank you.

Sofia

Hola a Todos!

¿Algien sabe donde esta Chupadero o Chupaderos? Yo se que esta cerca a Ojuelos de Jalisco.

Gracias.

Hola que tal mi nombre es Katia Cañedo, vivo en el estado de Guanajuato, pero toda mi familia paterna es de Guadalajara y zacatecas, busco a mi abuelo Ignacio Cañedo, pues no tengo ningun dato de el, sin embargo se que sus padres fueron Ignacio Cañedo Iñiguez y Ma. del Carmen Llamas (los dos de Guadalajara) tuvo 8 hermanos: Juan, Roberto, Celia, Ma. Luisa, cristina, Manuel, Oscar y Magdalena cualquier infromacion que tengan de ellos por insignificante que les parezca me sera de mucha ayuda.
De antemano muchas gracias
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

>
> Bienvenido al grupo Rodolfo,

No se si llegemos a emparentar, pero es posible. El apellido Sanchez es el
de mi abuelo paterno. Tambien tengo otras lineas con este apellido y todos
son de Los Altos de Jalisco. Algunos usaban el apellido compuesto de
Sanchez de Porras y despues de los 1800s simplemente Sanchez. Algunos eran
de la Hacienda del Carrizo, otros del Rancho del Flaco y de San Juan de los
Lagos. En fin, este apellido figura prominentemente en mis estudios de los
ultimos 7 años. Si gustas revisa mi archivo en Nuestros Ranchos.

Tengo una pregunta acerca de los Hidalgo y Costilla. ¿Me imagino que te
refieres a la familia del Cura Miguel? Hace tiempo otro genealogista me
paso unos datos de la genealogia materna de Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla. La
madre de el descendia de Fernando de la Mora y Maria Zamora que son
ancestros mios. Perdi los datos que nunca llegue a verificar y ahora tengo
esa curiosidad de investigar este asunto. Te agradesco cualquier informacion
que tengas al respecto.

Saludos cordiales,

Maria Cortez

> Estimados miembros de Nuestros Ranchos. Buenos d?as.
>
> Mi nombre completo es Rodolfo Sina? G?mez de Betanzos Contreras, nac? en
> la Ciudad de M?xico el 9 de junio de 1975. Estudi? la Licenciatura en
> Estudios Latinoamericanos en la UNAM, Universidad Nacional Aut?noma de
> M?xico, crec? rodeado de t?os y abuelos muy ancianos de quienes escuch?
> cientos de historias de viajes, migraciones, guerras, aventuras, antepasados
> ilustres y recuerdos personales de su infancia y juventud; indudablemente
> esas historias determinaron mi curiosidad por el estudio del pasado, por la
> Historia.
>
> Actualmente soy Cronista Municipal de Tejupilco, un municipio del sur
> oeste del Estado de M?xico, doy clases en una Universidad que pertenece a la
> Red de Universidades An?huac de los Legionarios de Cristo, tambi?n me
> encargo de las relaciones p?blicas y promoci?n de la misma universidad.
>
> Mi familia paterna lleg? en 1553 a Puebla mi primer antepasado en M?xico
> (la Nueva Espa?a) fue Gonzalo G?mez de Betanzos quien lleg? a Puebla de los
> ?ngeles para ser Corregidor de ?sta reci?n fundada ciudad, una de sus hijas:
> Juana cas? con el conquistador Francisco G?mez. En el siglo XVII pasan a
> Sultepec y en 1734 a Tejupilco.
>
> Mi abuelo paterno naci? en Tlalpujahua Michoac?n, sus padres nacieron en
> San Felipe del Progreso Estado de M?xico, la familia Contreras posee a?n
> casi la mitad del territorio de todo el municipio. Mi abuela materna naci?
> en San Miguel el Alto Jalisco mas sin embargo no sabemos casi nada de ella
> pues mis abuelos se divorciaron y mi madre junto a sus dos hermanas quedaron
> bajo la custodia de mi abuelo, quien las separ? y escondi? de su madre a
> quien no volvieron a ver.
>
> Tenemos ?rboles geneal?gicos de casi todas las familias de mi linea
> paterna, y de mi abuelo materno pero no sabemos nada de mi verdadera abuela,
> por eso me he propuesto investigar la historia de su familia: Valdivia
> S?nchez.
>
> Gracias por aceptarme en su grupo, despu?s de todo un 25% de mi sangre es
> de Jalisco, de San Miguel el Alto. Pongo a su disposici?n mis conocimientos
> e investigaciones, espero les sirvan de algo, aunque principalmente se trata
> de estudios demogr?ficos y raciales de Tejupilco en la ?poca Colonial, De
> historia del Sur del Estado de M?xico, Estudios Geneal?gicos de las familias
> G?mez de Betanzos, Olascoaga, L?pez de Miranda, de Carvajal y Toledo,
> Ram?rez de Arellano, Hidalgo y Costilla, Ben?tez de Ariza, Contreras, Gama,
> Ca?as, Le?n Campuzano, familias a las que me une parentesco y a las 3
> ?ltimas amistad.
>
> Hasta pronto.
>
> Afectuosamente
>
> Rodolfo Sina?.
>
>
>

Hi,

I'm new to nuestros ranchos so I hope I am writing to the correct address and in the correct language (if I'm not I apologize).

I've been working in my family history for 3 years now but mainly in Yucatán and Galicia from where my father's family came from.
Now I've started researching my mother's and my wife's side.

My wife is from Guadalajara and her family came from Atotonilco el Alto, Ayotlán, Mesa del Pino and nearby towns and rancherias, the surnames I'm researching are:
Gutierrez
Flores
Alvarez
Lopez
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Solorio
Villalpando

Besides, from my mother's side, my great grandfather Rafael Robles Montenegro (it seems it was a compounded surname) was "natural" of Guadalajara (other sources say that from Ameca), married to Cipriana Montes de Oca.

Even though I'm still starting with my Nueva Galicia's lines I hope I will be of some help to you all.

Regards,

Jorge Gomez Montenegro

P.D. If I should be writing to some other address or in Spanish please let me know.

___________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx

My Garcia line ends at 1800 at Don Theodoro Garcia husband of Dionicia de Calvillo. I have a baptism for one of there daughters of whom i descend. I descend from 3-4 of their kids. I need to order the baptism so i can get the line to the 1770's.
I was just really asking who were the first garcias in aguas and are they all related? or different Garcias from los Altos? -Thanks Daniel MdC