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Dear Sofia, You may probably note that the records you are looking through
are pretty consistent, in that they all probably don't have grandparents
listed for that period of time by that scribe. Its wonderful when they are
full of info (I love it that many of my marriage records from Guanajuato
include the groom's profession), but that just isn't always the case. This
may reflect cost-cutting measures at the time, ie less paper, ink. I haven't
come across any of my own ancestors originating in Spain yet, but I have seen
entries that include mention of an originating city in Spain. I don't know how
common this is.

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I have searched the Mexican 1930 Census for the town of Etzatlan in Jalisco, however, I have been unable to find it. Does anyone know if it was filmed? or included in another town's census?

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16503
RESEARCHING: Rodriquez-Vidaurri-Aguilera-Yniquez

Greetings to members of Nuestros Ranchos:

My name is Gilbert Keas [rhymes with Keys] and I live in Los Osos,
California. My research at this early stage is focused on Teocaltiche, Jal.
and Zacatecas, Zac.

Here is a brief informal Descendancy Narative of my great-grandfather, Celso
Rodriquez [through my grandfather, Candelario Rodriquez], from my mother’s
side of the family:

Descendancy Narrative of Celso Rodriquez & Isabel Vidaurri

I. Celso Rodriquez was born circa 1847. He married Ysabel “Chavelita”
Vidaurri on 25 April, 1874 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico. The children of
Celso and Ysabel, may have consisted of seven boys and one girl. Their
daughter may have died in childhood. After 1908, Celso may have immigrated
to Douglas, Arizona, as did most of his sons, including Candelario and his
immediate family.

A. Ciriaco Rodriquez was born between 1875-1879 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico.

B. Camilo Rodriquez was born between 1875-1879 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico.

C. Apolinar Rodriquez was born between 1875-1879 in Teocaltiche,
Jalisco, Mexico.

D. Casimiro Rodriquez was born between 1875-1879 in Teocaltiche,
Jalisco, Mexico.

E. Candelario Rodriquez was born on 2 Feb 1879 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico. He married Maria Refugia Aguilera [Daughter of Timoteo Aguilera and
Refugia Yniguez] circa. 1897 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Candelario
died on 14 Nov 1941 in El Paso, Texas, at age 62. Candelario & Maria had ten
children... the first three were born in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, the next four
were born in Douglas, Arizona, the last three were born in El Paso, Texas.

AGUILERA-YNIGUEZ NOTES:

1. Timoteo Aguilera & Refugia Yniguez were married on July 8, 1874 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.

2. Maria Refugia Aguilera was born on July 13, 1882, Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico and died on May 10th, 1957, El Paso, Texas.

3. Two of Maria’s brothers were Margarito and Francisco “Poncho” Aguilera.

4. Maria worked in the men's clothing store owned by her brother, Francisco
Aguilera, either in Teocaltiche or Zacatecas.

I hope to travel to Teocaltiche this June or July to walk the sod of my
grandparents & great-grandparents and see what I can find in the way of
family history [I’ll be traveling with a friend who is fluent in Spanish...
regrettably, I am not].

I would like to find the locations of Teocaltiche’s cemeteries while this
trip is still in the planning stage.

I look forward to any advise offered by fellow researchers and members of
Nuestros Ranchos.

Muchos Gracias,

Gilbert

I'm hoping those of you who speak or understand Spanish better than I do can help me with this. I'm having problems with family relationships. This record is from Jerez Zacatecas.

I tried to post my gedcom to this site but it timed out so it's on Rootsweb.com complete with sources but with many approximate dates due to missing years in the records.

I've been looking for a long time for proof that Manuel Reveles (abt 1747) was married first to Maria Petra Montana Zuniga (abt 1750) and second wife was Andrea Velasquez (abt 1765) Francisca Reveles or her witness's names both women as her mother in records for her children. This marriage information record is the only thing I've ever found that seems to make Francisca Reveles (abt 1780 and Rafael Reveles (abt 1790) related. I can't find any other person who could be related to both Pedro Miranda and Rafael Reveles... what do you think? If this is correct it solves two mysteries for me, 1 that Manuel was married to both women and 2 that this is the same Pedro Miranda! I have not been able to find any other record for parents of Pedro Miranda or Maria Marcos Perez.

Marriage information 4 Sept 1865 in Jerez
Felipe Miranda from Senor de Roma single age 21
parents: Pedro Miranda and Maria Marcos Perez both living
with: Maria Ladislao Mejia from Senor de Roma single age 15
parents: Patricio Mejia and Brigida Cabrera still living
no blood ties
wit: Tomas Alvares from Senor de Roma married age 65 labrador es pariente de la novia en tercer grado de afinidad
wit: Rafael Reveles from Recodo married age 75 labrador el novio is sobrino del declarante en tercer grado
wit: Catarino Reveles from Recodo widower age 30 labrador el novio is pariente del declarante en tercer grado de consaguinidad
posted 8, 10 and 17 Sept 1865
source: 0439911 Jerez marriage information record

Now this is who I believe Pedro Miranda is from the information of the witness's.

CHRISTENING: 1 Feb 1821 in Jerez
child: Pedro Roman, 18 days old born in San Juan Buenavista
parents: Ylario Miranda and Francisca Reveles
pat grandparents: Francisco Ramirez and Petra Miranda
mat grandparents: Manuel Reveles and Petra Zuniga
padrinos: Eulogio Cepeda and Navotra Garcia
source: baptism record #0439850

Here is my reasoning... this goes back to Francisca Reveles (abt 1780), who I believe is half sister to Rafael Reveles (abt 1790) son of Manuel Reveles and Andrea Velasquez, Catarino Reveles (abt 1832) son of Apolonio Reveles (abt 1812) is Rafael Reveles grandson.

what do you think? Do I have a match???

Linda in Everett

I am been researching family ancestors, my g-g-g-g-grandfather's name is Angel Arch from Sayula married Mercedes Gutierres in 1848, but I have not been able to find any decendents...
The Arch family lived in "Hacienda De la Canada Taxunaxtla, Jalisco

Also, Cristoval Gaitan married Panfila Hernandez in 9/1882 Tamazula Jalisco...unable locate any other decendents.

Narciso Yglesias married Maria Trinidad in 1872, Tamazula, unable to locate any other desdendents

I was hoping if any of you had come accross any information.

According to family members, ancestors lived in Zapotiltic, Tamazula, Ciudad Guzman, Sayula and Villa de Tonila.

Pam /Alicia,

As a Jauregui I read your comments and I must say they tickled my funny bone a little. In that it is possible for one man to have spread himself so unselfishly, the probability is low . The church was omnipotent in those days and to allow a man to behave like that is hard to rationalize. Alicia, your relatives' claim may have some truth to it, but I think time has embellished the truth. I found the first Jauregui in the Nochistlan area was, Juan Francisco Jauregui, from San Sebastian, Guipouzcoa, Viscaya, Spain. He married Josefa Chavez de Siordia in Dec 1662 in Nochistlan. They had 10 children, 7 boys and 3 girls. They in turn had large families and by the fifth generation the Jaureguis in the region numbered several hundred. This could be why the oral history has gotten colorful. Yes, one man started the Jauregui line there but not by being a "Don Juan". I DON'T THINK.

Ray Jauregui
Sammanish, WA

"Pam,

I went to a wedding in Nochistlan in August of 2007. ........... I happened to meet and talk to a few of the Jauregui's and ................... two of the Jauregui relations said that all the Jauregui's descend from one Jauregui .........................as a result of his wealth and his prowess he had many children with many women in all of the surrounding regions and ranchos ............................. they claimed he was the progenitor of most of the Jaureguis of that region.....................

Alicia Carrillo"

Hi,

Someone recently joined who is researching surnames I am also researching.
Their message was in Spanish, so I hope they get the gist of this message.

I wanted to reply to them that I am also researching the Rivera and Martin
del Campo surnames in Jalisco. I have lots of records from births,
baptisms, marriages, etc. from Guadalajara, primarily for the 1800's. My
file title on this site, Nuestros Ranchos, does not mention the surname
Rivera, but if you look under my name, Corrine Ardoin, you will find a
family tree that contains these ancestors. My mother's great-grandmother
was Rita Robles Rivera, born about 1851 in Guadalajara. Rita's parent's
were Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera. They were married February 5,
1843. Manuela's parents were Alejo Rivera and Dolores Mora. They resided in
Guadalajara and attended the Sanctuario de Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe
Church. Manuela lived to be over 100 and died in the early 1900's. Rita
died in 1935.

This has brought up something else. I have so much "might be related" data
accumulated. Is there some way to make this available to other members? I
get a microfilm, record every entry that has the surname I am researching,
then it just sits in a folder. I would like to be able to share the data
with others, so perhaps they might find info there they could use. Such as
the surname Rivera. I have a lot of records with that surname, because it
is of my ancestors. But all of these records contain many, many other
surnames. How can I make this available to other members? I asked the
family history center where I live about getting all of this on the IGI, but
they said it is done only by church members who have submitted their family
trees. How do the rest of us make our research available where it does not
coincide with our own family trees, but may be useful to others?

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

I too am researching the Jauregui family and am early in my search.

Here is what I know:
Domingo JAUREGUI was born ca 1902 in Nochistlán,
Zacatecas. The family story is that he came from
Basque Spain. Domingo married Maria LOMELI
daughter of Leocadia and an unknown father
LOMELI. Maria LOMELI was born ca 1907 in
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. I do not have death
dates or places for Domingo or Maria. The couple
had 5 known children:

1. Maria de la Luz JAUREGUI born 30 Jun 1929 in
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. She married Jose
ITO ca Feb 1947 in Juarez, Chihuahua. Jose ITO's
parents were Minoru or Kaname ITO born ca 1886 in
Japan and his wife Enriqueta ACOSTA daughter of
Ambrosio ACOSTA and Josefa HERNANDEZ. Enriqueta
ACOSTA was born ca 1898 in Juarez, Chihuahua.
Ambrosio ACOSTA was born 1 Jan 1857 in Camargo,
Chihuahua.

2. Domingo JAUREGUI born ca 24 May 1931 in
Villa Obregon, Jalisco died in El Paso, Texas in
1996.

3. Ruben JAUREGUI born ca 1933 in Guadalajara, Jalisco.

4. Miguel JAUREGUI born ca 1935 in Guadalajara, Jalisco.

5. Raul JAUREGUI born ca 1937 in Guadalajara, Jalisco.

I would appreciate any help on this family.

Pamela in Berkeley, California

>Hello, my name is Judy Jauregui-Rodriguez, I had
>started doing my family tree research and when
>it came to records from Mexico I was having
>difficulty and found your research group. My
>deceased husband Pablo Jauregui-Romo was from
>Teocaltiche , Jalisco as well as his parents &
>grandparents. Here are the names of family
>members that I am doing research on. Any help
>will be greatly appreciated.
>Father - Jauregui-Delgadillo still living
>Paternal GFather - Mateo Jauregui
>Paternal GMother- Priscilliana Delgadillo
>Maternal GGFather Cornelio Delgadillo
>Paternal GGFather Eusebio Jauregui born 1920 (I
>found a 1923 border crossing into El Paso Texas)
>Paternal GGMother Petronilla
>Children of Mateo & Priscilliana: Jose,
>Josefina, Justina, Maria, Pedro, Salvador,
>Siriaco, Tadeo, Tomasa, Enemorio. All from area
>of Teocaltiche and surrounding Ranchos
>
>Mother - Romo-Martinez still living
>Maternal GFather - Domingo Romo
>Maternal GMother - Augustina Martinez
>Maternal GGFather Regugio Romo
>Maternal GGMoter Trinidad Mora
>Children of Domingo & Augustina: Antonio,
>Asuncion, Elena, Esteban, Francisca, Juanita,
>Marcos, Mara del Carmen, Patricia, Raymundo,
>Victoriano, Micaela. All from area of
>Jalsotitlan and surrounding Ranchos
>
>Thank you
>

Hi Alicia and Pam:

I was in Nochistlán last November and was lucky to find a book : "Nochistlán de Zacatecas". Cuatro siglos de su vida. By Cleotilde Evelia Quirarte. I found it at the church library.

I saw your e-mail to Pam, where you talked about the Jáuregui from Nochistlán and thought that you might be interested in this bit of information.. This is what I found in the book about the Jauregui:

On page 110; " Existe una tradicion entre varias familias nochistlecas que asegura fueron doce los españoles fundadores, y se conserva memoria de algunos de esos apellidos: Sandoval, Ruvalcaba, Ruiz, Frias, Mejía, Duran y Chavez. "

Next paragraph:

"Aunque los archivos parroquiales de Nochistlán comienzan en 1622 con la visita del obispo Don Fray Francisco de Rivera, es hasta 1627 cuando aparecen en diversas actas bautismales numerosos apellidos españoles" A long list is included. "En las actas del primer libro de bautismo se leen los nombre : (there is a list) included in this list are: Matheo de Rovalcaba, and the Mendozas...

On page 112:

" En el primer tercio del siglo XVIII, surgen en los archivos los apellidos: Cervantes, Quirarte, Negrete, de Quezada,de La Dueña, y poco mas despues, el de JAUREGUI, (y JAURE), de Laura, de Contreras, y Flores. "

The second half of the page has an incomplete list of Ranchos. "Estancia de Los Xáureguis" is mentioned. Missing are: "La Estancia", " La Estancia de Nochistlán" , "Rancho de San Roque". That doesn't mean that they don't exist, they were probably just left out from the list or were created at a much later date, I don't know.

I was looking for another book, I believe the title is "Nochistlán, su historia a travez de archivos parroquiales" I went to "Libreria Nochistlan" and talked to the owner. He said that the author does not want that book to go into print again. The bookstore owner told me that he is willing and had offered to pay for the cost of the printing, but the author still refused.

Are you interested in Teocaltiche?
I also visited Teocaltiche last November, my wife has quite a few relatives there. I met Nicolas de Anda Sanchez, Historian, Author he has published about four books on Teocaltiche. I talked with him for about 4 hours. I bought his latest book : Historia de Teocaltiche, Pueblo de la Region Caxcana, Nueva Galicia. I found this book very useful because it lists:

People from Teocaltiche who fought in the war for independence.
Ranchos del Municipio (50)
Ranchos del Ayuntamiento de Mexticacán (22)
Ranchos del Distrito del Ayuntamiento Paso de Sotos (Villa Hidalgo) (40)
Nombre de los padres que confirmaron a sus hijos en 1634 y nombres de los niños.
Confirmaciones 27 de Junio, 1648 Nombres de padres e hijos. (about 120 families).
Confirmaciones 6 de Enero, 1654. (80 couples)
Relacion de personas que poseian esclavos, o utilizaban indigenas como sirvientes, segun los registro parroquialesque existen del siglo XVII.( about two and a half pages)
Padron de Teocaltiche de la 2da mitad del siglo XVII. (11 pages)
Esclavitud y servidumbre en Teocaltiche en el siglo XVIII.
Padron de 1708 a 1722 Relacion de padres y padrinos españoles tomada de los bautismos. (about 8 pages)

I highly recommend this book. I bought mine in Teocaltiche and it is probably available through some other sources.
I hope you and Pam will find some of the information useful.

I wasted a lot of time lloking for books in the bookstores in Aguascalientes. I found one, "Breve Historia de Aguascalientes" and like the title implies, it is brief. It was on our last day in Teocal when I found out that the best place for books is the Universidad de Aguascalientes bookstore. I am making sure I'll visit there on my next trip to Los Altos.

In Jalostotitlán you can find books at the pharmacy at the main plaza, they had about 5 different ones, including : Jalostotitlán a Travez de Los Siglos.

In Santa Ana you can find books on Santo Toribio Romo González.

Have a nice day in San Jose (I was raised there)

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Thank you for your help!

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Hello, my name is Judy Jauregui-Rodriguez, I had started doing my family tree research and when it came to records from Mexico I was having difficulty and found your research group. My deceased husband Pablo Jauregui-Romo was from Teocaltiche , Jalisco as well as his parents & grandparents. Here are the names of family members that I am doing research on. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Father - Jauregui-Delgadillo still living
Paternal GFather - Mateo Jauregui
Paternal GMother- Priscilliana Delgadillo Maternal GGFather Cornelio Delgadillo
Paternal GGFather Eusebio Jauregui born 1920 (I found a 1923 border crossing into El Paso Texas)
Paternal GGMother Petronilla
Children of Mateo & Priscilliana: Jose, Josefina, Justina, Maria, Pedro, Salvador, Siriaco, Tadeo, Tomasa, Enemorio. All from area of Teocaltiche and surrounding Ranchos

Mother - Romo-Martinez still living
Maternal GFather - Domingo Romo
Maternal GMother - Augustina Martinez
Maternal GGFather Regugio Romo
Maternal GGMoter Trinidad Mora
Children of Domingo & Augustina: Antonio, Asuncion, Elena, Esteban, Francisca, Juanita, Marcos, Mara del Carmen, Patricia, Raymundo, Victoriano, Micaela. All from area of Jalsotitlan and surrounding Ranchos

Thank you

If you have any information about this please email this person
directly: Nancy Chavez golden6760@aol.com

I am looking for information about my great-great grandfather...who was
murdered by Pancho Villas' soldiers. My maiden name is Chavez. My
grandfather's name is Manuel Chavez.
Can you possibly direct me to records that have history on this event?

Hello Hector,

I noticed in your response to Linda that you have a lot of info on
Jerez. Would you please check your data to see if you have anyone
with the surnames "LIENDO" and/or "DE LA ROSA".......these are my
direct ancestors and the time frame would be around the late 1600s or
early 1700s in Zacatecas.......I am not certain exactly where in
Zacatecas they were from but I believe it could be near the city of
Zacatecas or the area near there.

Any info you may have will certainly be appreciated.......I have been
looking for them for a very long time! :-)

Josie Trevino-Trevino

On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Héctor Felix Aizcorbe wrote:

Hi Linda,

I'm glad to have helped you clarifying your records. I've a lot of info on
Jerez. Count on it any time you might need something.

Regards,
hector

I wanted to let you know that I've updated my gedcom on Rootsweb.com. I tried putting it into the gedcom section on this site but it timed out, too large. To get in to my file the easiest way is my grandfathers name and dob. Epitacio Castanon 1894, once there you can go to the index to see the surnames I have in my records. The surnames are mainly from Zacatecas, Jalisco and Michoacan with a few from Colima who married into families in Jalisco. I see so many of the same names and hyphenated names over and over again and have to think our ancestors traveled a lot more than we sometimes give them credit for! I have over 47,000 names and hope they are of use to some of you. If you find errors please let me know so I can make corrections. I do update periodically.

I also wanted to thank so many of you for sharing your records, knowledge and expertise so openly and of course to Joseph Puentes for the website that allows us to do this.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

Mi nombre Eduardo Alberto Cardenas Gomez( 1966 ), vivo en la Ciudad de Guadalajara-

Un saludo a todos, el interes de ingresar a este sitio es complementar la investigacion que tenemos, sobre las familias Cardenas ( Tuxpan , Jalisco), Navarro ( Cd. Guzman ), Gomez ( Tenamxtlan ), Alatorre ( Tepatitlan ) Cabral ( Tepatitlan ).
En la busqueda en la red, encontre coincidentemente en este portal, del cual me honro al ser aceptado y ser miembro reciente:

Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa (1855)y se casa con benigno Cabral (1847)(en la investigacion de corrine ardoin explica que pioquinta ( nacida en españa y benigno nacido en Portugal llegaron a mexico a casarse )

Pioquinta y benigno hijos Isabel, francisca( hijos Mercedes, magdalena, rosario,concepcion, carmen, alberto, maria luisa martin del campo cabral ) ,daniel,refugio,miguel,virginia,jose maria, juana cabral Gonzalez

Segun el diario de Isabel e Isaac:
Isabel Cabral Gonzalez (1873) y se casan en guadalajara ( 16 de junio de 1890) con Isaac Alatorre Gonzalez (1873) tepatitlan (Hermanos Pedro, Arcadia y Modesto Alatrorre Gonzalez)
Isaac Alatorre Gonzalez es hijo de Sixto Alatorre (1865)* y de Jesus hernandez (1865)* casados en (1887)* tepatitlan--La contradiccion es que en familyserch, las fechas de nacimiento estan mal.
Sixto Alatorre muere el 6 de junio de 1899 y es hermano de Guadalupe alatorre y del Pbro. Gorgonio Alatorre (muere el 9 de agosto de 1901) que tiene a su cargo el curato de Santa Maria del oro desde el 5 de septiembre de 1875
Isaac e Isabel son padres de:
Maria teresa Alatorre cabral: casada Con Jose Gomez sanchez°( 1896 )-hijos ramiro, ruben, isaura ( 1928 ), amparo, humberto, gustavo, ofelia gomez alatorre (1942-( Mi madre )
Jose luis Alatorre cabral: casada con sara -.Hijos :alicia, margarita, eduardo, jose luis
Ignacio Alatorre cabral casada con alicia hijos.-.Ignacio,roberto,carlos, alicia Alatorre Rodriguez
Pedro Alatorre cabral esposo de elena : Hijos Alfredo alatorre Munguia
Rosario Alatorre cabral esposo Mariano Diaz de sandi Padilla: Hijos Ramiro,alejandro,Graciela, Antonieta, Jose Diaz de sandi Alatorre.
Ruben Alatorre cabral:ruben rigoberto, roberto alatorre gomez

Jose Gomez sanchez esposo de maria teresa, hija de isabel y nieta de pioquinta°( 20 de mayo de 1896 )-( Mi Abuelo) tenamaxtlan, jalisco.
Hijo de :
M. ventura sanchez.-1872-1940 tenamxtlan
timoteo Gomez.-1857. tenamaxtlan
nieto de :
PATERNOS
Juan Gomez rosales. 1837
Jesus Arana.1837
MATERNOS:
raymundo sanchez-1852
trinidad flores-1852

Las fechas contradictorias son de familyserch, porque todos los contemporaneos nacen en 1865, aunque por las actas que tenemos es mentira, a menos que se registraran por cuestiones burocraticas en esas fechas.
Bueno un saludo a todos, muy amables y estamos listos para ayudarnos en esto que nos apasiona.
espero poder abrir tambien el tema de los apellido cardenas,navarro,sanchez, ochoa, ayala todos de jalisco.

arqui1@megared.net.mx

Av.Pablo Neruda 3187-A
Col. Providencia
Guadalajara, Jalisco.Mexico
(33)36402197
01 443336672433

My last posting where I listed names of ancestors marriage records for Guadalajara, I found out from my mother that she has their photos, so I will be able to add those to my album on Nuestros Ranchos, as well. She has a photo of Ysmael Martin del Campo and many others I had not known she had pictures of before.

Additional records found are, as follows, same film number from the LDS microfilm collection, 0038507, Guadalajara Church Records 1868-1898, Santuario de Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe:

Tomas Martin del Campo, 25, and Refugio Aguila, 24; October 16, 1881; groom's parents are Tomas Martin del Campo and Nieves Cacillas, both deceased; bride's parents are Tomas Aguila and Dolores Rojas Vertir?, both deceased. This is very close, but I'm not sure if it is related to my Tomas Martin del Campo and Nieves Muniz, who had a son named Tomas, Ysmael's brother. The age matches up, though.

Ysac Alatorre, 22, and Ysabel Cabral, 18; June 18, 1890 in Belen; groom's parents are Sixto Alatorre, living and Jesus Gonzalez, deceased; bride's parents are Benigno Cabral, deceased and Pioquinta Gonzalez, living. Ysabel is my grandmother's aunt. Her mother, Francisca Cabral and Ysabel were sisters. A 1930 census record I found for Los Angeles, lists a Jose Alatorre as Francisca's nephew, so I think this may be the connection, Jose's parent's marriage record. Does anyone know where Belen is? I can't find it on a map.

Juan Martin del Campo, 25, and Elodia Romero, 23; February 9, 1891; groom's parents are Rosalio Martin del Campo and Maria de los Dolores Munoz; bride's parents are Juan N. Romero and Maria del Refugio Zunega. This is close, as well, but I don't know if they are or are not related.

Corrine Ardoin

Today, I caught a glimpse of Oprah Winfrey show where ancestry research has
been done for famous people of today.

Of particular note was watching the African American comedian, Chris Rock
when he was told that his ancestor was a slave, who became a high raking Union
soldier, and before he died, had amassed a great deal of property (60 +
acres).

Chris's interview was very moving....he said that had he known that his
ancestors came from "intellect", he might have had hope for himself. Instead, he
believed his immediate environment of gloom and felt "lucky" that he had
bumped into his current profession. How sad, because he still does not equate
his "wit" to intelligence. It is also sad for many other reasons.

In the end, he had wished that he had known about his family heritage....he
professes that he would have probably believed in himself worthy enough to
enter a profession of "intellect".

In the meantime, Oprah discovered that she came from a long line of
teachers. We all know how much she LOVES teachers and strongly believes in
education.

Hmmm.....I think they are "discovering" about "sangre y como llama la
sangre". What have you discovered about your ancestors that resonates within you?

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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I hope you all who requested this got an idea in my previous post how life and family was along time ago. I too, find it very awkward and confusing. Well the fact is there wasnt really a rulebook, it was more of a i dont think system is a good word, but it was a...i cant find the word, but system is close enough. Let us take the Camino and Vásquez families. The Caminos from Mariáno or his father Eúgenio. And the Vásquez from Pablo Básquez-Ruíz de Esparza. Mariáno had 13 children and Pablo had 8. Lets say, a María Camino married José Básquez. and Salvador Camino married Mariána Básquez. Each Camino or Básquez are siblings. María Camino's daughter Josefina Básquez would marry her cousin Pancho Camino, son of Salvador and Mariána. Each family at least married once or twice in thier own family. But never with their identical cousin, like if Salvador Camino and Celso Camino, children were two marry, it wouldnt take place. It had to be children of sibling of the opposite gender. Like Salvador and María Camino's children were able to marry. We think maybe this was dont because the same gender of parents would cause the children to deform? Im not sure either. Then their children started to marry within other family like the Robles, García and Rentería families. The other families also followed this system of opposite gender siblings. 30 years later we had Camino marrying a Camino and a Camino marrying a García, the Camino child of the first would married the other coples Camino child then Camino Camino...so on...Another reason why our family did this is because the main original pueblo of the Hacienda, was in the Valley, which is 20 miles from the capital of Huanusco. They
didnt bother to go so far too marry. So they stayed their and found their spouse "Their Cousin". My mom's pedigree has the same people multiple times. I come from D. Theódoro García de León about 16 times! My Grandfather is the nephew of my grandmother's mother! I hope you guys have learned more about me and my fun fun family. -Dániel Méndez del Camino

Arturo,

Is the surname Covarrubias a name made up of two separate names... ?

Arturo and Jose, have either one of you in your search of the Covarrubias surname come across or know of a linking with members of the Corbera/Corvera family?

Pat

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From: arturoramos

>
> Jose:
>
> Welcome to the group.
>
> If you had not yet looked through familysearch.org, there is some useful
> information in the database there that may help with your search for your
> grandfather. While there does not appear to be a Francisco Leon Covarrubias in
> the database in Huejucar, there are a couple of other children being born in the
> late 1860s and 1870s to Nicolas Leon and Maria del Refugio Covarrubias, who
> appear to be your grandfather's siblings. Their baptism records should list the
> names of your great-great-grandparents.

Dear Leticia, Thank you so much for responding. Yours is a good idea to make a list of any possible leads from the phone books, while I'm there. If I find alot of Onates there, I'll obtain a copy of the book itself! Unfortunately, I have no living older relatives (that I know of) from which to get any guidance. So I really do appreicate your help. Being new to genealogy, I fully expected to get several responses from the experienced members of our group. For the past year I've read every email posted and I recall emails from others that have taken a similar trip and I hoped they could share tips for success. Again, my call for help goes out, and my thanks for your idea and well wishes. Alice BB

--- marionicia@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

From: Leticia Leon
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rosalio Oñate in the phone book? For Alice B. B.
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:03:38 -0600 (CST)

When you are there check the phone book, look for Oñate and make phone calls regarding your ggrandpa, identify yourself inmediatly and than make your request clearly, cause of phone calls that bad people make asking for monetary help, nowadays people hesitate to give up info, so one better give up info first. Look for anyone with similar names such any Rosalio, as it is usual to name children arter relatives. Look in the surrounding towns phone books also, make a list first so you can carry it back in case time is not enough. That is an idea, good luck. Maybe a name will ring off the memory afterwards.

Do you have and old relative close? Talk about your trip, comment about names and related places. Maybe it will ring the bell.

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Para aquellos que requieran en su investigación encontrar personas en el estado de Sonora, el Colegio de Sonora puso en línea 1,492 testamentos del periodo de 1786 a 1910.

La dirección es http://www.colson.edu.mx/testamentos/testamentos.html

Espero que les sea útil esta información

Fco. Javier Garbuno Ramos
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For those who needs found people in the state of Sonora, The College of Sonora (Historic Society) make avaible on-line 1,492 wills, from 1786 to 1910

The URL is http://www.colson.edu.mx/testamentos/testamentos.html

I hope this information can help you

Fco. Javier Garbuno Ramos

In my experience, regarding contacting relatives, there are some issues to consider.

Personaly is been sweet-sour cause it is a joy to see the faces of those I long to see, ´cause at last a name from the past has a face in the present, it is an intimate joy that maybe those persons take for "a curiosity not so clear".

I had contact some primos by phone, some of them looking also into genealogy, then I feel troubled cause there are no more stuff to share; and if meeting personaly there are no common interests.

Then if contacted by mail it is euforic and enthusiastic, but when by phone it sounds tensionated.

I feel like I have to stablish a relationship, and knowing myself that is not precisely what I want, in most cases.

There we have an issue. One has to be concious first about the object of interest, data or relationship or both? And then
to have a good plan for those we are meeting to fully understand what are we looking for and what are we doing with the data we ask for,

A person could not accept that an "unknown" one is asking for names, places and dates, and is not writing a book.

Is it a community feeling or am I alone in the corner?

What would be a good plan to be wellcome by a recently contacted relative?

Greetings.

Santos Luna escribió:
Hello Leticia: Your message below is great....very touching.

I have an aunt, my mother's half sister living in Tijuana...she acted like I was doing something horrible with my Genealogy research.

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Hi,
my name is Veronica Lopez. My parents and most of my grandparents come from
JALPA, ZACATECAS. I understand from reading previous posts that the records
for that town are very skimpy.

My maternal grandfather's name was Juvenal VIRAMONTES. He had at least 3
siblings (Benjamin, Ramiro, Enriqueta) but from what I understand, they were
raised by an aunt and uncle. According to my mother's birth certificate, my
grandfather's father's name was Benjamin Viramontes and his mother's name
was Antonia RENTERIA.

My paternal grandmother's name was Concepcion MAGALLANES and she was the
daughter of Concepcion Magallanes (father) and Simona BECERRA. Simona's
father (my gg grandfather) was Lino BECERRA.

My paternal grandfather's name was Prudenciano LOPEZ, son of Anastacio Lopez
and Clara GONZALEZ.

Most of what I know is from my father's memory and most of what he remembers
(surprisingly well) are names of many cousins and aunts and uncles.

I'm not sure where to start, so I'd appreciate any help.

Veronica

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16506

I think we should be reminded that it is necessary to "Snip" a piece of
the message you are replying to so the rest of us can know what a
particular answer is referring to. So if you get an email and you want
to reply to it just cut a piece of that email, just enough so we'll know
what message you are responding to, snip it and paste it into your
message with your reply.

also add your name at the bottom for easier ID,

thanks,

joseph

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At the request of some members I decided to give a brief to the point explanation on how families in Huanusco marry. But I decieded to split this topic on two. Well basically we (our hacienda) started with 12 families. They had the opportunity to live anywhere on the 30,000 acre plot of land, which made up La Luz. At the height of La Luz around 1913 it would prob be 30,000 or so. After all those marriages, purchases and tradings...and compromises. Because it reached into Calvillo and Tabasco and Jalpa. Jesus Maria was a small hacienda. San PEdro was the same size or so as La Luz. Luckily San PEdro was owned by Cousins the Duran, also Jesus Maria the Rodriguez family and La Luz by the Camino Family. All were related. So I think thats why my grandpa says our family got away from all sorts of things. Like a tío would be the Sherrif or the cousin the Bishop or another cousin the banker and so on. Anyway the families were. There were others. but these were the big hanchos of MAriano Camino, the HAcendado, his confidants if you will. I descend from all except D. Vargas, D. Jiménez, D. Sánchez, D. Ruíz de Esparza, because they hadn't fufill the compromises or rules whatever. The families were interesting back then with all the rules. Most marriages almost all were arranged. It was very rare to get arranged with someone you loved. *Note some of these families were already intermarried before they arrived, which made everything even worse! Now days what Im told the hacienda is owned by one of Manuel Camino "El curajudo"'s
grandsons. Manuel was the son of the Hacendado.

D. Maríano Martínez del Camino "El Hacendado"
D. Lúcas López de Elisalde y Ruíz de Esparza
D. Estevan López de Durán
D. Victóriano de Renteria y de Silva
D. Leandro Básquez-Hernández y Ruíz de Esparza
D. José de la Encarnación de Flores y de Salazar
D. Ambrocio García de León y Martínez de Calvillo
D. Mateo Ruíz de Velasco y Rodríguez
D. Jacinto de Vargas
D. Gregorio Jiménez y García
D. Alejandro Sánchez y Gómez
D. Marcelino Ruíz de Esparza y Ortíz

Basically these families for the next 200 years would intermarried extensively. Cousins/cousins, tios/sobrinas, tias/sobrinos, 1st cousins, step siblings and step cousins even though they were already related! Almost all the men had another lover besides the wife, guess what his lover would be a cousin. Or the sister of the wife. IT WAS CRAZY, reminds me of the European Royals. So for all of you who will travel to Beautiful La Luz one day and meet someone with these last name you'll know who they descend from. The interesting is none of them got dispensations! to marry! NONE! The Bishops were all related. Im not sure how they got away with it. Some did practice polygamy or at least had multiple women at a time. Well "La Luz" has an interesting land structure its situated in a Valley and the other half is on the hills. They do the Magay and Wine business thingy not sure, I dont know much of Alcohol, since of my age. Theres la hacienda and within that there are many ranchos. and also el pueblo de la luz itself. It sounds like a municipio all by it's self. But the gov't says its part of Huanusco. La Luz has always been a problem because of Politics, 1/2 is in Huanusco, and 1/2 is in Calvillo, Ags. The state still wants to claim this land as part of Zacatecas or Aguas. -well it's late...Ill explain the rule book tomorrow now that you who requested this have some idea on whats going on. -Dániel Méndez del Camino