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QUE ALEGRIA SABER DE TI, ME SERIA MAS FACIL DECIRTE PORQUE LADO NO EMPARENTAMOS, QUE MENCIONAR TODOS LOS QUE, SI, CLARO QUE SI ACEPTO TU APOYO, Y DE IGUAL MANERA DE MI, PARTE EN LO QUE TE PUEDA APOYAR, NO VISITO LA SAGRADA MITRA CON LA INTENSIDAD QUE QUIERO, PERO CUANDO SOLICITES QUE TE INVESTIGUE ALGO, CON GUSTO HAZMELO SABER, RESPECTO DE MI, TE DIGO QUE ME LLAMO LA ATENCION SOBRE EL APELLIDO MARENTES , EN ESA LINEA NO HE PODIDO AVANZAR, TENGO HASTA ROQUE MARENTES CASADO CON ROSA DE HUERTA, ES ALGO MAS, O LA FECHA DE MATRIMONIO.......SI TIENES FECHAS DE MATRIMONIO QUE INVESTIGAR DE LA REGION DE LOS ALTOS ME AVISAS, PARA BUSCAR INFORMACION, ME ALEGRA TENER OTRO PRIMO, POR VARIAS LINEAS......MUCHAS GRACIAS......TU PRIMA LUPITAour Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of General digest..."> > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> DAILY DIGEST> ****************************************> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Reynoso y Mas (Ronald Reynoso)> 2. de Luna (Lester Alvarado)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:45:35 -0800> From: Ronald Reynoso > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reynoso y Mas> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hola Jorge ,como estas ? Ojala que estes bien. Mencionas La Lina Reynoso ,donde son tus antepasados Reynoso.Mis ante pasados eran de San Julian desde Jalostotitlan. Lo que yo ha investigado todo la Reynosada son los mismos. Yo tambien me toca casi igual la mayor parte de tus antepasados. Mi mero mero antepasado Reynoso era Francisco Reynoso casado con Josefa Renteria . Francisco Reynoso hijo de Francisco Reynoso( de Peru) y Marian Padilla Davila y Velasco.> Ronnie Reynoso casi pariente a todos de Los altos> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:45:11 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION> > > Hola Lupita, me da gusto que hayas encontrado esta p?gina. Cada vez somos mas personas quienes compartimos encestros en los Altos de Jalisco y sobre todo el inter?s de conocer nuestras ra?ces ancestrales. > > Yo vivo en Tepatitl?n de Morelos, Jalisco, pero al igual que tu, tengo ancestros en casi toda la regi?n; Ca?adas de Obreg?n, Valle de Guadalupe, Jalostotitl?n, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Teocaltiche, Ocotl?n, Nochistl?n, etc.> > Entre los apellidos que encuentro entre mis ancestros est?n los Ram?rez de Hermosillo, G?mez Hurtado de Mendoza, D?az de Le?n, Dom?nguez, Gonz?lez Rubio, Gonz?lez de Hermosillo, Mart?n del Campo, Mart?n de Sotomayor, de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza, Gallardo, Padilla D?vila, Aranda, de Luna, Ibarra, Guti?rrez Coron> ado, Romero de Ch?vez, Hern?ndez Gami?o, P?rez Franco, Franco de Paredes, Casillas y Cabrera, L?pez de Elizalde, Ruiz de Esparza, Gallegos, Mu?oz de Nava, Becerra, Santa Cruz, Guajardo, de Aceves, Rodr?guez de Portugal, G?mez de Portugal, Guti?rrez de Hermosillo, Guti?rrez de Mendoza, Guti?rrez Rubio, Mu?oz de Hermosillo, Rodr?guez de Fr?as, Gonz?lez de H?jar, Rodr?guez de H?jar, de la Torre Ledezma, Delgadillo, Vallejo, Cornejo, Covarrubias, Arias Maldonado, Gonz?lez de Rubalcava, Villalobos, de Anda Altamirano, de la C?mara y Menoyo, Mar?n de Pe?aloza, de Loza, Fern?ndez de Rueda, Castellanos, Valdivia, Torres, de Ochoa Garibay, Navarro Gayt?n, Ort?z de Z?rate, Plascencia, Lozano Isla, Gil, Mac?as Valadez, Estrada Bocanegra, Cort?s, Ruiz de Velasco, Espa?a, Sonora, Ulloa, Sigala, de Alba, Carvajal de Ulloa, de Le?n, Murgu?a, Cano, Montes, de la Paz y Castro, Tello de Orozco, Camarena, Romo de Vivar, Vel?zquez, Ram?rez de Mendoza, Mu?oz de la Barba, Vargas Machuca, Enr?quez> del Castillo, Marentes de Otaduy, Reynoso y Renter?a, Quijas y Escalante, Bracamonte, ??iguez, etc.> > En lo que pueda ayudarte estoy a tus ?rdenes.> Saludos.Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez.> _________________________________________________________________> Participa en nanometrajes y gana grandes premios> http://cine.prodigymsn.com/nanometraje> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:20:44 +0000> From: Lester Alvarado > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] de Luna> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > > Hi there ,> > I have de Luna in my line she was Maria Pasquala de Luna married to Juan de Alvarado thier son Jose Antonio Candelario Alvarado de Luna was my Great great great Grandfather , Candelario was born 10th of Feb.1792 in Saltillo , Coahuila and married Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez in Villa de Sanitago , Nuevo Leon 26 of Oct 1844 . I don't have any info on Juan or Pasquala such as birth dates , baptisms or marriage dates . If you have any info on them I sure would appreciate it .> > Thank you ,> Welester G. 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Hola a todos,

Quería ver si alguien del grupo tiene información acerca del matrimonio
entre Juan Nepomuceno Rodríguez y Marsela de los Dolores Alvarez Tostado y
Maciel. Supongo que ellos se casaron en Jalostotitlán aproximadamente entre
1770 y 1790. Los hijos que he encontrado son los siguientes:

JOSEF MARÍA RODRÍGUEZ, nacido o bautizado el 1 de Mayo de 1790 en Arandas

JESÚS MARÍA RODRÍGUEZ, nacido o bautizado el 29de Julio de 1795 en San
Miguel el Alto

Al parecer, Marsela de los Dolores de San Joseph Alvarez Tostado y Maciel
fue hija de Joseph Calletano Alvarez Tostado y de Juana María Maciel
Alvarez, y ella nació o fue bautizada el 1 de Marzo de 1755.

De Juan Nepomuceno Rodríguez no tengo más información y es lo que estoy
buscando. Agradezco mucho si alguien podría decirme si tiene a esta persona
en su base de datos o si sabe algo acerca de él. Tengo varias pistas pero
ninguna con evidencia concreta.

Quedo a las ordenes de todos ustedes para lo que se ofrezca de la región de
Los Altos, específicamente de Valle de Guadalupe.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

In the last few weeks, I accumulated a lot of new ancestors for my parents ELIAS DE LEON and MARIA CARLOS.

Thanks to you, my Family Tree has reached 12 generations in many of my ancestral branches! There are over 1,200 individuals and almost 400 surnames!

I also added some other ancestor names in the hope of finding a cousin here.

In particular, since I have no known living descendant DE LEON cousin, I would like to find that individual for a big hug and kiss!

Daniel,

I'll be glad to share! After all, sharing and consulting with each other
are central reasons for our participating in this forum.

At this time, I'am in the middle of restructuring/re-entering the data that
I have into one revised database (including sources for all entries); but,
with a few days, I should give you a specific response.

Efrain

> [Original Message]
> From: Daniel Mendez
> To:
> Date: 2/18/2008 10:07:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reynoso/Conrique mutual
linkageswith Hurtado de Mendoza lines, and others ..
>
>
> Efra

Ronnie,

My research notes confirm the 6 marriage entries in your message, today.

Also, as you stated, the convoluted relationships that resulted from the
marriages of siblings in one family marrying siblings in another family and
then, descendants of those marriages (third-, second- and sometimes
first-cousins) inter-marrying again (which commonly happened among the
founding Spanish families in Los Altos) can be sometimes difficult to
define. I can keep them starlight using a couple of comprehensive
genealogy software programs that do it for me. I use Legacy Family Tree
from Millennia, in conjunction with PAF from Family Search.org

What software program(s) do you use?

As to my linkages to Toribio Hernandez the Arellano (and the Hurtado de
Mendoza line):
They derive primarily (with some multiplicities here and elsewhere as noted
above) from Sebastian Ramirez de Mendoza (born about 1608) marrying Maria
Hermosillo about 1633, in Jalostotitlan.

Sebastian was the son of Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza and Gonzalo Ramirez de
Arellano, who married about 1607 in Jalostotitlan.

Isabel was the daughter of Rodrigo de Olivares and Maria Hurtado de
Mendoza. They married about 1588 in Lagos de Moreno.

Maria was the daughter of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado
de Mendoza (shown repeatedly on the records as Isabel Velasco).

Isabel and Toribio also had 2 other daughters:
Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, who married Alvaro Ornelas in Lagos de Moreno on
October 29, 1586; - - - and Marta de Mendoza, who married Juan Sanchez de
Lara on January 6, 1587.

Sebastian (above) was the Great Grandfather of Dona Maria Juana Inez
Maldonado Lozano (born 2 March 1727 in San Juan de los Lagos) who married
Don Francisco Conrique, my 6G Grandfather.

So, as you say, somos primos, ....and I look forward to hearing from you
again !

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: Ronald Reynoso
> To:
> Date: 2/17/2008 1:26:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos Primos
>
>
> Hola Efrain,Its kind of hard to tell how I tie in with Isabel Hurtado de
Mendoza and Toribio Hernandez de Arellano. I can give you a round about
number, its a mess .
> Isabel and Toribio 2 daughters---
> 1)Maria hurtado de Mendoza Married to Rodrigo Olivares
> 4 daughters -
> a)Isabel Olivares la Menor married to Juan Jimenez
> 2 of this couple children are my ancestors
>
> b) Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza married to Luis Padilla Davila
> 1 child of this couple are my ancestor
>
> c) Catalina de Mendoza married to Manuel Gomez
> 2 of this couple are my ancestors
>
> d) Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza married to Francisco Gutierrez Rubio
> 2 of this couple are my ancestors plus through their children
>
> 2) Isabel Sanchez de Mendoza married to Alvaro Ornelas
> 1 child of this couple os my ancestor
>
> Efrain ,I'm not counting because I get confused ,I also have more
ancestor hook up via through the children of the people have
mentioned.This is just fraction of the confusion or mess I have in my
backround .There is so much intermarriage in my backround its mind
boggling,so when I sign off saying ---Ronnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos
de Los Altos de Jalisco ---I pretty close .
> I probably related to almost every major Founder of all of the towns in
Los Altos . I would venture to say I'm probably related to almost every
body in Nuestros Ranchos that have ancestors in the Los Altos area. To me
this is kind of freaky/wierd but if it didn't happen this way I would not
have been born ,so I guess I really can't complain for the actions of my
ancestors.
> I await your reply
> Ronnie Reynoso pariente acsi todos de Los Altos
> SOMOS PRIMOS
>
> > From: conrique1@earthlink.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date:
Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:40 -0800> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos
Primos> > Ronald,> > I am familiar with Inclan's research and it is well
respected.> > Also, and independent of Inclan's research, I can confirm
through my own> research in my family tree, that Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza
(aka Isabel> Velasco de Mendoza and wife of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano)
was the> daughter of Ana Maria de Cardenas Francisco Hurtado de Mendoza,
Marquez de> Almazan... ... and on and on for many generations.> > Where do
you tie in with this line?> > Efrain Conrique> San Diego, California> > > >
[Original Message]> > From: Ronald Reynoso > > To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org > > Date:
2/16/2008 12:08:48 PM> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos Primos> >> >> >
Hola a todos de Nuestros Ranchos. I was browsing at www.somosprimos.com>
went to the search block and put- padilla
> davila. I then scrolled to > Descendents of Lord Pedro Gonzalez de
Mendoza,compiled by John D Inclan. I> appears according to what I read that
I and many if not all of us are> related to all of the people of Mexico
,Texas,and New Mexico. John Inclans> research touches much of Jalisco
,Zacatecas ,Aguascalientes ,All the north> eastern states of Mexico
,Texas,and New Mexico. I was was tripping. If any> one has an e-mail to
John D Inclan I would like to ask him if any of the> Hurtado de Mendoza are
tha same as an in example of Isabel Hurtado de> Mendoza wife of Toribio
Hernandez de Arellano. I was wondering also what> you members opinion of
John Inclan research .> > Ronnie Reynoso > > pariente acasi todos de Los
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I don't think this ISabel and Isabel Velasco de Mendoza are the same person. Because The velasco one was married to Luis Carillo. Isabel Velasco would have been born ca. 1565, our Isabel should have been born ca. 1535-40 at least. Francisco, Marqés of Almacan was born ca. 1530 so these two are not the same people. I think were better off with Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, who settled in Los Altos.

Thank you for welcoming me to this wonderful group of genealogists, and want to thank personally David Mitchell and his wife Irma Romo Mitchell for recommending me. This is my 11th year of research into the state of Jalisco specifically into Encarcion De Diaz, Aguascalientes and Caqistle from which my Romo (De Vivar) lineage comes from, so my goal is to link my roots from Mexico to Spain.

In my quest I was fortunate to find a friend ( possibly family) in the Mitchell's as we believe that through the Romo journey to California is where my ggreat grandfather possibly and one of the Mitchell's ancestor re related. I am thankful that the Mitchell's/Romo's In Pomona have invited me to meet with them at share our family's history next Saturday.

Once again thank you all for the privilege to Join.

Respectfully

Mr. & Mrs. Dennis Duke Romo

Romo (De Vivar) - Gomez-Beltran-Gonzales and Nejara.

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Well, this is definitely good to know. I didn't know all of this before,
the origins of these two names, San Juan de los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno.
So, that means, my ancestors are definitely from Lagos de Moreno, before
they were in Guadalajara. And, before that? Well, that will take some more
searching.

Thank-you, everyone! Gracias, Gracias!
Corrine
Santa Maria, California

Hey who wants to work with me to contact the folks that are organizing this conference? I'd love to contact them and ask that they record the audio of the presentations so that those in other parts of the world that have interest in the content can also appreciate the good information. If you want to help me translate a request I'd be willing to do the rest.

thanks,

joseph

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Conference in Ramos Arizpe
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 05:39:25 -0600
From: larry kirkpatrick

GOBIERNO DEL ESTADO DE COAHUILA

SECRETARIA DE GOBIERNO
ARCHIVO GENERAL DEL ESTADO

TERCERA CONFERENCIA BINACIONAL DE HISTORIA FAMILIAR

THIRD BINATIONAL FAMILY HISTORY CONFERENCE

Viernes 7 de marzo de 2008

8:00 A.M. a 18:30 P.M.

El Archivo General del Estado estará atendiendo a los investigadores de historia familiar

18:30 hrs. Inscripciones. Sede: American Hotel-Express. Ramos Arizpe

19:30 hrs. Ceremonia de Inauguración a cargo del

Prof. Humberto Moreira Valdés

Gobernador Constitucional del Estado de Coahuila

Conferencia Magistral

Familias de Zacatecas, pobladoras del noreste

Dr. José Enciso Contreras

Catedrático de la Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas

Cronista de la ciudad de Zacatecas

Miembro de número del Colegio Coahuilense de Investigaciones Históricas

Concierto

Guitarras de Cámara

Universidad Autónoma de Coahuila

Vino de Honor

Sometimes, in my research, when it says where a person is from, it will just
say "Lagos." Do they mean San Juan de los Lagos, or Lagos de Moreno? I am
trying to figure out which direction to head for my ancestral research and
don't know which way to go.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Maybe history and folklore/jokes get mixed up...here is a joke I heard long
time ago about priests and traveling.

Once, when priests traveled from small towns to small towns, he stopped at
this woman's house who always hosted him upon his arrival. She was poor, but
always had a plate of beans waiting for him. He would think these beans were
the best beans in the world.

When he would come back to his "hometown", he told the cook about the
wonderful beans he had tasted in the other village. Well the cook tried to cook
beans in many different ways, but the priest insisted they were not like the
ones he had tasted in the village.

So the cook went to see this famous woman who made these wonderful beans.
When the cook asked the woman how she made the beans, she was surprised to
learn that the recipe was exactly as her own. She could not understand, and
exclaimed as much.

The woman laughed heartily. She said the real secret is that he would
travel so far to get to her home, that he was VERY hungry. Naturally, he thought
the beans were the best because he was so hungry.

So the cook went back home, and had not cooked for the priest for a full
day. The next day, the cook made the beans, like usual. The priest exclaimed:
you got it...you found the secret recipe.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: larry kirkpatrick
Subject: Conference in Ramos Arizpe
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:40:03 +0000

GOBIERNO DEL ESTADO DE COAHUILA
SECRETARIA DE GOBIERNO
ARCHIVO GENERAL DEL ESTADO

TERCERA CONFERENCIA BINACIONAL DE HISTORIA FAMILIAR
THIRD BINATIONAL FAMILY HISTORY CONFERENCE

Viernes 7 de marzo de 2008

8:00 A.M. a 18:30 P.M.

El Archivo General del Estado estar

From: sceleste_m@hotmail.comTo: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Family Search Website UpdateDate: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:58:52 -0500

I am very excited! I live in Ottawa, Canada so sometimes I wait 3 months to recieve a film. I CAN'T WAIT!!! Sofia

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The reason why I was asking, is that I have been asked, to go to the
conference to man one of the vendor booths. And I am hoping to possibly see
some the ranchos members, while I'm there.

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From: general@nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] NGS Conference
Date: 04/11/07 16:04

>
> Jonathan:
>
> The conference is not until the 15th of May so it is a bit more than a
month away. I just went on the website and saw some interesting seminars,
etc. I am now considering going for a day since I don't think I can take
more than that off work and since it is only a few hours from Washington DC.
>
> For anyone interested, below is the website:
>
> http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/2007/
>
> There is nothing Mexican or Hispanic/Latin themed at all but some of the
more technical seminars on standard of proof, technology, etc. seem very
useful.

FYI

There were peope living in General Cepeda, Coahuila with that surname at one time.

--
Esther A. Herold

Not sure if this collection will touch the Mexican Indians but here is
some information:

14. After Columbus: Four-Hundred Years of Native American Portraiture
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/?collection=AfterCol…

The New York Public Library's early efforts to collect Native American
portraiture were greatly aided by gifts and purchases made by Dr.
Wilberforce Eames and J.P. Morgan. Morgan was a sponsor of Edward S.
Curtis's massive survey of North American Native Americans and Eames was the
Library's bibliographer. This particular digital collection from the Library
brings together some of these early acquisitions, including George Caitlin's
"North American Indian Portfolio" from 1845 and Frederic Allen Williams'
"Photographs of American Indians". In total, this digital collection
includes 369 prints and drawings. Visitors can browse through each portfolio
at their leisure, or they can also elect to search through the entire
collection by title or keyword. [KMG]

I have a question for the members with ties to Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco and Guadalajara. Do any of you have any other information on this record??

JOSE YGNACIO BENITES NAVARRO
12 NOV 1808 Atotonilco El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents: Juan de Dios Benites and Maria Antonia Navarro

He is my 2nd Great Grand Uncle.

Also, Juan de Dios Benites and Maria Antonia Navarro seem to have been married in Guadalajara but cannot find anything about them. They also had children that married in Juchipila, Zac.

THANKS!

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Tengo una pregunta para los miembros con lazos en Atotonilco el Alto y Guadalajara. Alguno de ustedes tiene informacion adicional de este record??

JOSE YGNACIO BENITES NAVARRO
12 NOV 1808 Atotonilco El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents: Juan de Dios Benites and Maria Antonia Navarro

El es mi segundo tio bisabuelo.

Tambien creo que sus papas, Juan de Dios Benites and Maria Antonia Navarro se casaron o eran de Guadalajara pero no puedo encontrar informacion de ellos. Ellos tambien tuvieron hijos que se casaron en Juchipila, Zac.

GRACIAS!

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1. Downloading images from the Albums (arturoramos)

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:40:26 -0800 (PST)
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1. Find and open the album you want to dowload the images from
2. Click on a picture once to open the larger size (still within the Nuestros Ranchos site).
3. Click on the picture again to have it open up full screen (well full size at least... some do not fill up the entire screen)
4. Right click (Windows) or CTRL-clik (Mac) and select "Save Image As..."
5. Click "back" on your browser to return to Nuestros Ranchos site
6. Click on the next number above the image to go to next image and repeat from step 3.

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HOLA ALFONSO

POR EL MOMENTO NO TENGO ESA INFORMACIO, PERO EN CUANTO VUELVA AL ARCHIVO, BUSCARE SOBRE ELLOS, ESTAMOS EN CONTACTO, ESTAMOS EN CONTACTO, UN CORDIAL SALUDO, ATTE. LUPITA> From: general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: General Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:46:32 -0800> > Send General mailing list submissions to> general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.nuestrosranchos.org/listinfo.cgi/general-nuestrosranchos.o…; > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> general-owner@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of General digest..."> > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> DAILY DIGEST> ****************************************> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Map from Spanish archives (arturoramos)> 2. Download pics of Castas (Lester Alvarado)> 3. Hola lupita! Tambien yo solicito tu valiosa ayuda... (jalfonsohr)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:48:25 -0800 (PST)> From: arturoramos > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Map from Spanish archives> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID:> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed> > > I just posted a scan of a a 1760 map of the "Fronteras de Colotlan" that I obtained from Archivo General de Indias.> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16552> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:06:04 +0000> From: Lester Alvarado > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Download pics of Castas> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi Joseph ,> > Is there any way possible to download the pics of the Castas . I've tried to download them to my memory stick but , no luck . Are we permitted to do so ? This coming Tuesday I will be attending the monthly meeting of the Sociedad de Genealogia de Monterrey and I opened my mouth and told Daniel Zambrano the current president that I was going to share them with the group . Please let me know if I can do this , and if I can how can I go about it .> > > Thanks a bunch ,> > Welester> _________________________________________________________________> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_01…; > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:34:32 -0800 (PST)> From: jalfonsohr > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola lupita! Tambien yo solicito tu> valiosa ayuda...> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID:> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed> > > Mi madre--Mar?a de los Angeles Romo Quezada. naci? en Encarnaci?n de D?az, jalisco, en 1914. Sus padres, Sim?n Romo Garcia, y su madre, mar?a de la Cruz Quezada Ramirez, ambos de Encarnaci?n de D?az, Jalisco. Me gustar?a saber m?s detalles de sus familias, ya que ignoro m?s detalles...podr?as auxiliarme?> Un afectuoso saludo.> Alfonso H. Romo> > > ------------------------------> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > End of General Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5> **************************************
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The Jay I. Kislak Collection at the Library of Congress contains over 3000
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maps by Martin Waldseemüller. [KMG]

FamilySearch (Genealogical Society of Utah) microfilmed the 1930 Mexico Natl. Census in the Mexico Natl. Archives back in the 1960s. They filmed everything that the archives had, which unfortunately wasn't everything. As for Aguascalientes the municipios: Aguascalientes, Calvillo, and Jesus Maria were 'lost' at the time of the microfilming. FamilySearch has not gone back to the Natl. archives to determine if the 'lost' municipios were ever found. You may want to inquire with them to see.

-Lynn Turner
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Today's Topics:

1. RE: Late Introduction: in Enlish y Espa?ol (Daniel Mendez)
2. Re: (no subject) (AliceBB)
3. Re: Aguas, Aguas (campezina@juno.com)
4. RE: RE: Late Introduction: in Enlish y Espa?ol (sophia)

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:00:04 -0800
From: Daniel Mendez
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Hi Sof?a! I can help a bit on this subject. I've been told that priest had only started to list grandparents on baptisms ca. 1812. But not full affect until 1827 or so. It doesnt mean they were the first in M?xico. The huge migration to M?xico was in the 1500's. When Hern?n Cort?s conquered M?xico. After 1821 the independence very few left ffrom Spain, since M?xico was economically unstable.

TO view passenger list or atleast the info you can go to
http://pares.mcu.es

You can also order the microfilm for passanger lists. Usually its the same info as in the record on PARES. It's a wealth on info. I recently found out my mother's side of the family had a COat of Arms. Not those phonny ones you can buy on the interent, but an actually one given to us by King Charles V.And is there somewhere where I can search passenger lists of ships that arrived in Mexico? How to make the connection to Mexico and the country that they were originally from, Spain? There is a speculation that says all SPaniards are related because at least one line on every SPanish tree descends from D. Alfonso I, King of Asturias.
About the surnames. Mart?nez, Ram?nez, Ram?rez, Ru?z and G?mez, Mu??z are all patron?micos. Derived from the son of....like Mart?nez means the son of Mart?n. They usually changed every generation. but for some reason in ca. 1450 They ceased on creating new ones. So if Jos? Fern?ndez de Portugal. lets say. His ancestor who ignited his line of FErnandezes would have been Fernando de Portugal born ca. 1450. THey USUALLY go back to royalty based on my experience. one of my lines goes back to Fernando II "El Cat?lico.

Note * not all -ez surnames are patron?micos.

Losano, Acosta, Agu?lar, Peratra, Medina, Mac?as, Ar?iza, Pacheco are all places, like cities.
Usually it was DE Losano or DE Medina.

Esparza came from Ru?z de Esparza, which is a huge family! Especially many rancho members including my self are related. Esparza is also a city in Pamplona, Spain, the Village of Esparza.

Davila was from De Avila. I guess it would have been d'Avila. Also a city in Castilla.

Z??iga is also a city in Galicia, SPain.

V?ldez is a city.

Not sure about Angel?
Maybe its connects to the church. Like Santa ANa.

De ANDA, is the another huge one. It is a apellido Alte?a in Jalisco. It came origianlly in 1545 from Castilla. The original surname was Anda de Altamirano.

-Hope this helps!
-Daniel M?ndez del Camino
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:11:16 -0800
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Hi Daniel, Were you able to locate and access the capital city of Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes through the website you sent for 1930 Mexico census? The folks at my FHC couldn't locate through that site. It sure would help if I knew that someone could locate and access it. Thanks, Alice BB

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The reason why you do not see the 1930 Census for Aguas is because the census has not been scanned yet. If I remember correctly, I think that is presumed to be lost.
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To all the intrepid researchers at Nuestros Ranchos:

In searching through microfilm records, as I copy down the entries I find on
my ancestors and "might be related" persons, I strive to make these records
as accurate as possible. However, as has been discussed in this forum in
the past, spelling of names, illegible penmanship, phonetic spelling, etc.
can make accuracy sometimes a hit and miss guessing game. Which could
result in inaccurate documentation. It is so tempting to just figure, based
on other entries, that one person in one entry is the same as another person
in another entry. For example, sometimes they spell a surname "Vanda,"
sometimes "Banda." Should I record it the way they spell it in each of the
entries, or should I "correct" them by standardizing the name myself, by
documenting what I think they meant everytime?

I realize I could get myself into a sticky situation. One reason is, that
"Vanda" could be a name different from "Banda" and the persons in each
entry, therefore, different people, no matter how similar everyone else in
these entries appear. My mistake would be to assume Jose Vanda married to
Maria Sanchez and Jose Banda married to Maria Sanches are the same people.
Some people, even today, spell their surnames ending in "s" or "z", as in
Gonzalez and Chavez. In one entry a Gregorio Peres, married to a Maria
Chavez, then becomes Gregorio Perez and Maria Chaves in another entry!
Changing it in my documentation, to all end in "z" or "s", could mean
recording it incorrectly for how they might have spelled their own names!
As you can see, and I'm sure many of you have discovered, this is one of the
challenges of reading handwritten records.

Some names are so illegible, I write down the name the best I can and place
a question mark after it. For example, "Peisnlar?" In other entries, all
the names are the same as in this one, but the person's last name is very
clearly "Pinuelas." Should I change "Peisnlar" to "Pinuelas," because I
think that's probably what was written, however illegible? Or, should I not
take any chances by guessing what it probably says in the record? I look
over how the recordkeeper wrote their letters, to aid in my reading their
penmanship, but sometimes there is just one name that stumps me and I put a
question mark after it, to let myself know that I gave up.

What do you do to make your records as accurate as possible? How do you
pass this information on to others, even download databases of your records
onto forums, make your records available to family, etc., when there are
these questionable areas? I know how frustrating it is to try and find an
ancestor in a database, such as Ancestry.com, only to discover after long
searching hours and days, and weeks, and years, that the name was completely
massacred and nowhere resembles the true name of that person. When I look
for "Frias," I also look for "Freas," and "Frillas," etc. But, what if it
is entered as "Frian," or "Fias," or something like that? Will I ever find
it?

I guess we can only do what is humanly possible. No one is perfect and we
can not expect that. We can only be thankful and quite grateful that we
have information being shared in the first place and at such a huge volume,
all around the world. Which brings me to the reason for my dismay. I have
decided to download all my records onto rootsweb and find many of my
carefully kept records are dotted with question marks and notes in
parenthesis. I want to share this information, but I want to provide it as
accurately as I can.

Thank-you, all, for your help and words of wisdom!

Questions and thoughts from Santa Maria, California
>From Corrine Ardoin (I spell my first name inaccurately, because that was
how I was taught to spell it as a child, but I have since found from baptism
and birth records, my given name is "Corinne," which my father always
pointed out to me. But I never listened to him! So, to this day, I spell
even my own name incorrectly!)

Hello Everyone!

I have been a member of El Ranchos since the summer but I have never written an Intro with a list of names and dates so I decided to do it and see if I have any luck and someone recognizes someone. Also I wanted to ask the group a couple of questions. I live in Canada so at my Family Centre they seem not to be able to help me out. Linda had answered an inquiry of mine of how to see civil records mentioning to ask the centre but they seem not to know. The civil records, Aguascalientes, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas, I would want to see have to do with Aurelio Martinez, my grandfather who was a widower and had a son. I am completely stumped, I can not find the marriage or the birth of the son. His dates are mentioned in the Martinez Davila names. I would be forever grateful if I get a break threw.
The other question is I have reached the records of Jalisco from 1771 but there are no names of grandparents in the births. Does this mean they are the first to arrive in Mexico? And is there somewhere where I can search passenger lists of ships that arrived in Mexico? How to make the connection to Mexico and the country that they were originally from, Spain?
Here is the List of Names and I want to thank anyone ahead of time for any help. I am fairly new to all this and sometimes I get confused where to look and even how to ask to be properly understood.
MARTINEZ, MUÑOZ, LOZANO, DAVILA, GOMEZ, ACOSTA, RUIZ, AGUILAR, ZUNIGA, EZPARIA, PERATRA, MEDINA, MACIAS, ARAIZA, ¿VIDALEZ O VALDEZ?, ANGEL, PACHECO, RAMONES, RAMIREZ, ANDA

Thank you.
Sofia

Hola A Todos!

He sido miembro desde el verano pero nunca he escrito una introducción con nombres y fechas, así que decidí hacerlo y haber si tengo suerte. También quería preguntar el grupo un par de preguntas. ¿Como encontrar sobre los matrimonios civiles? Aguascalientes, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas. Yo vivo en Canada y mí Centro de Familia no sabe ayudarme. Quiero encontrar sobre el primer matrimonio de mi abuelo, Aurelio Martinez y su hijo. Los datos están abajo en los nombres de Martinez Davila. Si alguien me podía ayudar estaría muy agradecida!
La otra pregunta que tengo es que yo llegue hasta 1771, pero en los nacimientos no viene los abuelos. ¿Eso quiere decir que son ellos los primero a llagar a Mexico? ¿Y también si existe donde puedo buscar en una lista de personas que llegaron en los barcas a Mexico?
¿Como hacer la conexión entre Mexico y España?
De anta mano quiero agradecer cual Quero ayuda!
Aquí esta la lista de appellodos:
MARTINEZ, MUÑOZ, LOZANO, DAVILA, GOMEZ, ACOSTA, RUIZ, AGUILAR, ZUNIGA, EZPARIA, PERATRA, MEDINA, MACIAS, ARAIZA, ¿VIDALEZ O VALDEZ?, ANGEL, PACHECO, RAMONES, RAMIREZ, ANDA

Gracias.
Sofia

MARTINEZ DAVILA:
Eugenio Martinez Aguilar se casa el 14 de Nov. de 1863 San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco con Maria de la Luz Davila Macias
Hijos:
Jose Guadalupe; el 18 de Dec. de 1864
Se casa este con Gregoria Rodriguez el 20 de Abril 1885, San Jose, Ojuelos
Aurelio ; el 11 de Nov. de 1870
Bap. de 17 de Nov., San Jose, Ojuelos
Rancho Peñuelo del partido de Pinos al Norte
Se casa con ¿? Y tiene un hijo: *Genaro*(Can’t find any Info)*
Es vuido y se casa el 12 de Julio de 1912 en La Cuidad de Aguascaliente con Maria Trinidad Muñoz Lozano ; el 05 de Mayo de 1899 ¿San Miguel el Alto?
Concepcion; el 25 de Enero de 1874
Maria Petra; Nacio 1877
Esta se casa con Daniel Contreras el 9 de Enero 1894, San Jose, Ojuelos

MARTINEZ AGUILAR:
Pedro Jose de la Luz Martinez Gomez ; el 28 el Junio de 1810, Jaula de Abajo
Bap. el 11de Julio, San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco
Hacienda de Gallinas, Pinos(Compro un parte)
Rancho el Pueblito
Se casa el 08 de Oct. De 1831 San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco
(Cerritos esta mencionado) con Paula Aguilar Zúñiga 1816
Hijos:
Maria Andrea; el 08 de Dec. De 1832
Maria Estefanía; el 31 de Dec. De 1834
Esta se casa con Crescencio Santos, San Jose, Ojuelos
Hijos: Paula ; 06 de Mar. de 1862
Hilaria ; 13 de Nov. de 1864
Hijo de esta: Ambrosio Contreraz
Juan ; 01 de Enero de 1867
Atanasio ; 08 de Mayo de 1868
Tomas ; 24 de Dec. de 1871
Maria de Refugio; el 30 de Mar. de 1837
Jose de la Encarnación; el 01 Abr. De 1838
Jose Cosme; el 24 de Sept. de 1840, 11 del día, Jaula
Eugenio; el19 de Mar. de 1842, 10 del día, Jaula
Panfila; el 02 de Junio de 1844, Pueblito
Esta se caso con Cruz Davila
Hija de estos, Justina; 05 de Oct de 1872
Dario; el 25 de Nov. de 1846, Jaula
Secundino; el 04 de Jul. de 1849
Abundio; el15 de Jul. de 1850
Maria Encarnación, el 07 de Abr. de 1853
Macaria; el 15 de Mar. de 1854

*DAVILA ARAIZA:
Eligio Davila Araiza; 1814 (creo que venia de Mineral de Angeles)
Se casa el 09 de Enero de 1834 San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco con la hija de Diego Macias Valdez o Vidalez y Foribia Davila:
Juana de Maria Macias Davila 1814
Hijos de Eligio y Juana:
Maria Ramona ; 08 de Mar. de 1835
Maria Josefa ; 26 de May. de 1836
Jozefa; el 28 de Nov. de 1839, Sitio
Maria Onofre; el12 de Junio de 1841, una de la tarde, Sitio
Jose Cruz; el 14 de Sept. de 1843, Sitio
Este se caso con Panfila Martinez
Maria de la Luz; Nacio ¿?
Dorotea de la Luz; el 05 de Feb. de 1846,
Maria de Refugio; el 24 de Dec. de 1847
Esta se caso con Refugio Araisa el 26 de Sept. de 1866,
San Jose, Ojuelos
Hijos de estos:
Maria Matilde; 19 de Marzo de 1871
Antonio; 16 de Junio de 1867
Doroteo; 05 de Junio de 1872
Maria Ysabel; el 14 de Jul. de 1850
Maria de Jesus; el 16 de Aug. de 1852
Benigna; el 27 de Mar. de 1854

DAVILA ARAIZA:
Cornelio Davila se casa con:
Maria de Rosario Araiza
Hijos:
Eligio; 1814
Maria Agapita
Etsa se caso con Gil Esparza,
Hijos de estos:
Jose Franco ; 10 de Oct. De 1829
Maria de San Juan ; 08 de Jul. de 1831
Maria de Jesus ; 23 de Dec. de 1833
Maria Victoriana ; 13 de Nov. de 1836
Paula; el 26 de Julio de 1842, Sitio
Bap. el 07 de Julio, San Jose, Ojuelos
Felomena
Se caso con Franco Placiecia el 19 de Abril de 1826, San Jose, Ojuelos.
Hijos de estos:
Jose Alejandro ; 25 de Abr. de 1827
Paula; el 25 de Enero de 1841, Sitio
Bap. el 02 de Feb., San Jose, Ojuelos
Juan(a) Jose
Se caso con Pedro Esparsa,
Hijos de estos:
Juan; el 31 de Enero de 1842, a las doce de la noche, Sitio
Bap. el 07 de Feb., San Jose, Ojuelos

AGUILAR ZUNIGA:
Jose Antonio Aguilar y Maria Graciela Ezparia
Hijo:
Ygnacio Aguilar
que se casa con la hija de:
Lorenzo Zuniga y Maria Cesilia Peratra
Antonia Zuniga
Hijos:
Paula 1816
Maria Ambrosia de la Consision; el 06 de Dec de 1807, Chupadero

MARTINEZ GOMEZ:
Juan Roberto Rodulfo Martinez se casa con:
Maria Josefa de Acosta
Hijos:
Jose Antonio ;el 02 de Dec de 1774, Puerto de la Jaula
Jose Manuel Doretheo; el 24 de Enero de 1786, Puerto de la Jaula
Maria Elvira ;el 02 de Junio de1778, Puerto de la Jaula
Maria Guadalupe ;el 18 de Feb de1780, Puerto de la Jaula
Josef Maria de la Concepsion ;el 08 de Dec 1776, Puerto de la Jaula
Este se casa con: Maria Candelaria Gonzalez
Hijos de estos:
Maria Dolores ;el 18 Jul de1803
Maria Felipa ;el 26 de Agosto de1806
Maria Dionicias ;el 09 de Abril de1808
Jose del Carmen; el 23 de Abril de1811,Gallinas
Juan Jose ;el 23 de Abril de 1811
Pedro Jose ; el 20 de Mayo de 1811
Jose Ygnacio Martinez ;el 31 de Nov de 1772, Puerto de la Jaula
Bap. el 12 de Dec, San Jose, Ojuelos
Se casa con:
Maria Ysabel Gomez ;el 14 de Feb de 1773, el Puerto de el Corral Falso
Bap. el 06 de Marzo, San Jose, Ojuelos
Hija de:
Antonio Gomez y Maria Antonia Ruiz
Hijos y hermanos de Ysabel:
Joseph Desiderio; el 23 de Mayo de1771
Hijos de Jose Ygnacio y Maria Ysabel:
Mariana
Etsa se casa con Jose Moreno
Hijos de estos:
Maria Romula ; 22 de Feb. de 1826
Maria Estefana ; 04 de Sept. de 1827
Maria de San Juan ; 11 de Enero de 1829
Maria Ricarda; Pueblito; el 02 de Abril de 1839

Maria Macaria ;el10 de Marzo de 1804, Jaula
Jose Maria ;el 22 Enero de 1806, Jaula
Maria Guadalupe Cristina ;el 24 de Julio de 1807, Jaula
Pedro Jose de la Luz ;el 28 de Junio de 1810, Jaula
Bap. el 28 Junio, San Jose, Ojuelos

MUÑOZ LOZANO:
Jose Rafael Muñoz y Maria Alvina de Anda
Se casaron el 05 de Mayo de 1813; San Juan Bautista, San Juan de losLagos, Jalisco
Sus Hijos:
Jose Anastacio; el 24 de Agosto de 1825
Jose Ynocencio de Jesus; el 05 de Enero de 1829
Jose Narcisco; el 06 de Nov de 1831
Se casa con: Juliana Angel
Hija de:
Tiburcio Angel y Trinidad Pacheco
Su hijo:
Jose Pedro Muñoz Angel
Nace el 28 de Abril de 1854
Vuido se casa con 29 años el 3 de Mayo de 1884 con
Francisca Lozano; el 11 de Sept. 1862, en San Juana
Bap. el mismo día, San Juan Bautista, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco
Era hija de Guadalupe Lozano
hijo de Jose Marcelo Lozano y Juana Maria Gertrudis Gonzalez y
Maria Lina de Jesus Medina Ramirez
Nacio el 23 de Sept de 1829, San Juan Bautista, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco
Hija de J. Francisco Medina y Felipa Ramirez
Estos se casaron el 07 de Nov de 1819, San Juan Bautista, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco
Hijos y hermanos de Lina eran:
Jose Miguel de la Trinidad; el 05 de Oct de 1820
Maria del Refugio; el 26 de Junio de 1823
Sus hijos y hermanos de Francisca:
Florentino; el 26 de Oct de1855
Maria Agapita de Jesus; el 20 de Sept de 1852,en la Canada (puede ser Canada de los Infantes)

I've noticed (because several of you have noticed) that the website is
experiencing some problems. Hang in there and hopefully things will sort
themselves out. Tomorrow is Sunday so go out and experience the mild
weather if you are on the East Coast and otherwise enjoy your day. Think
of our ancestors from so many generations past and how they might have
passed a day if they were having technical difficulties. I don't think
that my Great Grandmother Antonia Santa Maria (dob: 1862 in El Salitral,
Tepetongo, Zacatecas) could read but if she did needle work and somehow
her lantern wick or other part malfunctioned and she couldn't use it
maybe she would spend more time with one of her children possibly
telling stories by the woodstove fire. She might have told the story
about how an angel once helped her cross a raging river shortly after my
Grandmother (Virginia Diaz: dob: 1886, Las Animas, Santa Maria de Los
Angeles, Jalisco) was born after my GG grandmother Andrea Torres (dob:
1833, El Yngles, Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico) was very
very hard on her making her life miserable enough to run away back to
the place of her parents: Lucio Santa Maria and Cecilia Espinoza (dob:
~1825 marriage: 1844 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico).

Or maybe my Grandmother Virginia Diaz would tell my father of the time
her husband my Grandfather, Julio Puente (dob: 1886, Las Animas, Santa
Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco) was frozen motionless one night as he
walked home from a neighbors house in the night after he was sure a
mountain lion was roaming very close to him. Or the story of how my
Great Grandfather Jose Julio de Jesus Puentes (dob: 1852, Las Animas,
Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco) died right in front of my
Grandfather holding an iron bar digging a small path for the water to
run away from the house they were in during a severe
rain/thunder/lightening storm by being struck by lightening.

Just some thoughts.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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