Nuestros Ranchos Site

Here is a Message from a member of the nuestrosranchos.org group. Have a
look at this web page for the images Benicio refers too:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16278 This album is open to the
public so please pass this URL to all your friends, especially those in
Mexico and with special emphasis on those from Nuevo Leon.

Un mensaje de un miembro del groupo: nuestrosranchos.org Mira aqui:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16278 para ver los imagenes. Este
album esta abierto para el publico. Manda la direccion del album a sus
amigos, especialmente a los que viven en Mexico y con enfasis especial a
los que viven en Nuevo Leon:

Joseph,

Soy Benicio Samuel Sanchez, de Mexico, seguimos con nuestros proyectos.

Poco a poco vamos avanzando en cada uno de ellos, desafortunadamente
otros estan completamente detenidos.

Hoy estoy pidiendote tu ayuda - solo si consideras que es posible-.

Reenviar a quienes vivan en Mexico cualquiera de las siguientes imagenes
para el proyecto de Genealogia Molecular. La imagen llamada
"Poster-Gente" la creamos exclusivamente para las personas de Nuevo Leon
Creo que tu y yo somos R1b.

Tambien te informo que debido a la falta de informacion en español sobre
Genealogia Molecular he pedido que pongamos en linea un website , con
temas que ayudaran a entender y usar las bases de datos de DNA.

Este portal esta en www.genealogiamolecular.com

Como siempre agradezco toda la ayuda que sea posible y me pongo a tus
ordenes.

Tu amigo,

Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia

Here is how I found the batch numbers for my specific ranchos (but there
is no guarantee there will be batch numbers for your ranchos):

1) go to the IGI

2) Under the first name put either "Jose" or "Maria"

3) Under the Last Name put a very very common name like "Garcia" or
"Hernandez" or "Gonzalez" etc.

4) Under Region put Mexico

5) Under State put "Jalisco" or what ever state you are looking for

6) click on search.

you will get several hundreds or probably 1000's of results. so

7) use your "Search" tool on your computer and put the name of the
rancho you are looking for. Let's say "Tamazula De Gordiano"

8) search page by page until you find an example of someone from
Tamazula De Gordiano

look for the batch number next to the film number. here is an example:

JOSSE MARIA GARCIA ARCEA Pedigree
Male

18 JUL 1798 San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico

Parents:
Father: JOSSE MA. GARCIA Family
Mother: TERESA ARCEA

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type:
Printout Call No.: Type:
C603754 1789 - 1817 0225986 Film NONE

9) now you have the batch number (C603754) for the period of time from
1789 thru 1817 so now we go about "Guessing" what the batch numbers are
for earlier and later periods

10) Plug in C603754 into the batch window on the IGI search and if you
leave Jose Garcia in you'll get all the Jose Garcia for Tamazula if y ou
take off the Jose you'll get all the Garcia but now we want to play with
the C603754 number.

11) modify C603754 to C603753 and see what happens and yes bingo we get
these results:

C603753 1783 - 1804 0225985 Film NONE

12) and again:

C603752 1761 - 1783 0225984

13) and again:

C603751 1652 - 1761 0225983

we know this is as far back as we can go by clicking on the film number
and seeing the earliest dates available on film

14) now lets guess going forward from C603754 to C603755 and we get:

C603755 1817 - 1835 0225987

15) and again to:

C603756 1835 - 1843 0225988

16) and again to:

C603757 1743 - 1850 0225989

sometimes it works like this and sometimes the numbers don't show a
pattern especially when you get the J (males) or K (females) listings.
Sometimes on the IGI search you need to do the "Jose" and "Garcia" and
"Mexico" and "Jalisco" and then insert a date for the missing set of
years in your batch numbers. Maybe there is a batch maybe there is not
for those missing years. Maybe there isn't even records for those years
so thus the missing batch records or film record for them. also you
need to limit your "Event" to marriages to find the marriages. well you
really don't have to but its easier.

well I kind of rushed through this and would be willing to explain a bit
more if any of the confusion above is more unclear that I think it is.

joseph

ps: I wish I hadn't done one that turned out to be done already
finished. as you can see from the "Related Places" in Jalisco there are
_possibilities_ for these in Jalisco:

México, Jalisco, Acatic
México, Jalisco, Acatlán de Juárez
México, Jalisco, Agostadero
México, Jalisco, Ahuacapán
México, Jalisco, Ahualulco de Mercado
México, Jalisco, Ahuijuyo
México, Jalisco, Ahuisculco
México, Jalisco, Ajijic
México, Jalisco, Amacueca
México, Jalisco, Amatitán
México, Jalisco, Ameca
México, Jalisco, Antonio Escobedo
México, Jalisco, Apulco
México, Jalisco, Arandas
México, Jalisco, Arenal
México, Jalisco, Atemajac de Brizuela
México, Jalisco, Atemajac de las Tablas
México, Jalisco, Atemajac del Valle
México, Jalisco, Atengo
México, Jalisco, Atenguillo
México, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Alto
México, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Bajo
México, Jalisco, Atotonilquillo
México, Jalisco, Atoyac
México, Jalisco, Autlán de Navarro
México, Jalisco, Ayotita
México, Jalisco, Ayotitlán
México, Jalisco, Ayotlán
México, Jalisco, Ayutla
México, Jalisco, Bajío de San José
México, Jalisco, Barra de Natvidad
México, Jalisco, Barranca de Santa Clara
México, Jalisco, Betulia
México, Jalisco, Bolaños
México, Jalisco, Buen País
México, Jalisco, Buenos Aires
México, Jalisco, Cabo Corrientes
México, Jalisco, Cabo Corrientes - Civil registration
México, Jalisco, Cajititlán
México, Jalisco, Casimiro Castillo
México, Jalisco, Cañadas de Obregón
México, Jalisco, Chacala (Cabo Corrientes)
México, Jalisco, Chacala (Cuautitlán)
México, Jalisco, Chapala
México, Jalisco, Chimaltitán
México, Jalisco, Chiquilistlán
México, Jalisco, Cihuatlán
México, Jalisco, Ciudad Guzmán
México, Jalisco, Ciénega de Mata
México, Jalisco, Cocula
México, Jalisco, Colotlán
México, Jalisco, Comanja de Corona
México, Jalisco, Concepción de Buenos Aires
México, Jalisco, Cuale
México, Jalisco, Cuautitlán
México, Jalisco, Cuautla
México, Jalisco, Cuquío
México, Jalisco, Cuzalapa
México, Jalisco, Degollado
México, Jalisco, Ejutla
México, Jalisco, El Bramador
México, Jalisco, El Chante
México, Jalisco, El Grullo
México, Jalisco, El Josefino
México, Jalisco, El Limón
México, Jalisco, El Plantar
México, Jalisco, El Puesto
México, Jalisco, El Refugio (Acatic)
México, Jalisco, El Refugio de Suchitlán
México, Jalisco, El Rufugio (Colotlán)
México, Jalisco, El Salto
México, Jalisco, El Salvador
México, Jalisco, El Tuito
México, Jalisco, Encarnación de Díaz
México, Jalisco, Etzatlán
México, Jalisco, Francsico Javier Mina
México, Jalisco, Guachinango
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara
México, Jalisco, Gómez Farias
México, Jalisco, Hostotipaquillo
México, Jalisco, Huascato
México, Jalisco, Huejuquilla el Alto
México, Jalisco, Huejúcar
México, Jalisco, Ixtlahuacán de los Membrillos
México, Jalisco, Ixtlahuacán del Río
México, Jalisco, Jalostotitlán
México, Jalisco, Jamay
México, Jalisco, Jesús María
México, Jalisco, Jilotlán de los Dolores
México, Jalisco, Jocotepec
México, Jalisco, Juanacatlán
México, Jalisco, Juchitlán
México, Jalisco, La Barca
México, Jalisco, La Concepción
México, Jalisco, La Cuesta
México, Jalisco, La Higuera
México, Jalisco, La Huerta
México, Jalisco, La Loma
México, Jalisco, La Luz
México, Jalisco, La Manzanilla
México, Jalisco, La Razón
México, Jalisco, La Rivera
México, Jalisco, La Tortuga
México, Jalisco, Lagos de Moreno
México, Jalisco, Lagunillas
México, Jalisco, Las Cruces (Cuquio)
México, Jalisco, Las Cruces (Lagos de Moreno)
México, Jalisco, Las Juntas
México, Jalisco, Las Peñas
México, Jalisco, Ledesma
México, Jalisco, Los Aguajes
México, Jalisco, Los Azulitos
México, Jalisco, Magdalena
México, Jalisco, Manuel Lopez Cotilla
México, Jalisco, Manuel M. Diéguez
México, Jalisco, Manuel M. Valdéz
México, Jalisco, Margaritas
México, Jalisco, Mascota
México, Jalisco, Matanzas
México, Jalisco, Matatlán
México, Jalisco, Mazamitla
México, Jalisco, Mexicaltzingo
México, Jalisco, Mexticacán
México, Jalisco, Mezcala
México, Jalisco, Mezquitic
México, Jalisco, Michoacanejo
México, Jalisco, Mirandillas
México, Jalisco, Mixtlán
México, Jalisco, Navidad
México, Jalisco, Oconahua
México, Jalisco, Ocotlán
México, Jalisco, Ojuelos de Jalisco
México, Jalisco, Paso de Sotos
México, Jalisco, Peñas
México, Jalisco, Pihuamo
México, Jalisco, Poncitlán
México, Jalisco, Portezuelo
México, Jalisco, Puerto Vallarta
México, Jalisco, Purificación
México, Jalisco, Quitupan
México, Jalisco, Refugio
México, Jalisco, Salatitán
México, Jalisco, San Andres Ixtlán
México, Jalisco, San Cristóbal de la Barranca
México, Jalisco, San Diego de Alejandría
México, Jalisco, San Gabriel
México, Jalisco, San Ignacio Cerro Gordo
México, Jalisco, San José Casas Caidas
México, Jalisco, San José Tateposco
México, Jalisco, San José de la Gracia
México, Jalisco, San José de la Paz
México, Jalisco, San José del Carmen
México, Jalisco, San Juan de los Lagos
México, Jalisco, San Juan del Monte
México, Jalisco, San Julián
México, Jalisco, San Luis Soyatlán
México, Jalisco, San Marcos
México, Jalisco, San Martín Hidalgo
México, Jalisco, San Martín de Bolaños
México, Jalisco, San Martín de las Flores
México, Jalisco, San Miguel el Alto
México, Jalisco, San Miguel el Grande
México, Jalisco, San Patricio
México, Jalisco, San Pedrito
México, Jalisco, San Pedro
México, Jalisco, San Sebastianito
México, Jalisco, San Sebastián del Oeste
México, Jalisco, Santa Ana Tepetitlán
México, Jalisco, Santa Ana Tistac
México, Jalisco, Santa Anita
México, Jalisco, Santa Clara
México, Jalisco, Santa Cruz de las Flores
México, Jalisco, Santa Fe
México, Jalisco, Santa María Tequepexpan
México, Jalisco, Santa María de los Angeles
México, Jalisco, Santa María del Valle
México, Jalisco, Santa Rosalía
México, Jalisco, Saucillo
México, Jalisco, Sayula
México, Jalisco, Soyatlán
México, Jalisco, Tala
México, Jalisco, Talpa de Allende
México, Jalisco, Tamazula de Gordiano
México, Jalisco, Tapalpa
México, Jalisco, Tecalitlán
México, Jalisco, Techaluta
México, Jalisco, Tecolotlán
México, Jalisco, Telcruz
México, Jalisco, Temacapulín
México, Jalisco, Tenamaxtlán
México, Jalisco, Tenzompa
México, Jalisco, Teocaltiche
México, Jalisco, Teocuitatlán de Corona
México, Jalisco, Tepantla
México, Jalisco, Tepatitlán de Morelos
México, Jalisco, Tepec
México, Jalisco, Tepospizaloya
México, Jalisco, Tequesquitlán
México, Jalisco, Tequila
México, Jalisco, Tesistán
México, Jalisco, Tesistán San Pedro
México, Jalisco, Teuchitlán
México, Jalisco, Tizapanito
México, Jalisco, Tizapán el Alto
México, Jalisco, Tlajomulco
México, Jalisco, Tlajomulco de Zúñiga
México, Jalisco, Tlalcosahua
México, Jalisco, Tlaquepaque
México, Jalisco, Tolimán
México, Jalisco, Toluquilla
México, Jalisco, Tomatlán
México, Jalisco, Tonalá
México, Jalisco, Tonaya
México, Jalisco, Tonila
México, Jalisco, Totatiche
México, Jalisco, Tototlán
México, Jalisco, Trejos
México, Jalisco, Tuxcacuesco
México, Jalisco, Tuxcueca
México, Jalisco, Tuxpan
México, Jalisco, Unión de Guadalupe
México, Jalisco, Unión de San Antonio
México, Jalisco, Unión de Tula
México, Jalisco, Usmajac
México, Jalisco, Valle de Banderas
México, Jalisco, Valle de Guadalupe
México, Jalisco, Valle de Juárez
México, Jalisco, Venustiano Carranza
México, Jalisco, Villa Corona
México, Jalisco, Villa Guerrero
México, Jalisco, Villa Hidalgo
México, Jalisco, Villa Obregón
México, Jalisco, Yahualica de González Gallo
México, Jalisco, Zacoalco de Torres
México, Jalisco, Zalatitlán
México, Jalisco, Zalatitán
México, Jalisco, Zapopan
México, Jalisco, Zapotiltic
México, Jalisco, Zapotitlán
México, Jalisco, Zapotitlán de Vadillo
México, Jalisco, Zapotlanejo
México, Jalisco, Zapotlán del Rey
México, Jalisco, Zapotlán el Grande
México, Jalisco, Zula

Numbers 1-244 of 244 places contained within México, Jalisco.

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Hola Compañeros Genealogistas;

El motivo de la presente es darles las gracias a todas
las personas que me ayudaron en lo que pudieron sobre
mi solicitud de ayuda para saber donde se encontraba el
rancho "El Lobo", donde nacieron mis Bisabuelos Maternos
y ya encontre el dato, si estaba en el INEGI, pero no lo
habia sabido buscar, asi me entero que el RAncho
"El Lobo" esta en el municipio de Tototlan, Jalisco, y
debe estar cerca de los limites con el Municipio de
Ocotlan, Jalisco, por lo que en el acta de Matrimonio
Civil de mis Bisabuelos deberian haber especificado
que eran "Originarios y vecinos del Rancho El Lobo
de la Municipalidad (o Conprencion) de Tototlan"

Aqui esta el enlace de la Mapoteca del INEGI donde
esta tambien sus estadisticas:

http://mapserver.inegi.gob.mx/dsist/ahl2003/general2.cfm?clavegeo=170796

Tambien doy mis mas sinceras gracias a todas aquellas personas
que me escribieron dandome las condolencias por el reciente
fallecimiento de mi Tia Aurora Gomez Gomez.

Aprovecho tambien el presente, para solicitarle a Samuel Sanchez
que me conteste sobre mi requerimiento para solucionar el problema
del faltante de la firma en la forma de recoleccion de ADN de mi
sobrino Carlos Alberto Villegas Gomez y saber si recibio satisfactoriamente
los 30 Archivos Genealogicos ya sin Signos Diacriticos de las muesras
y saber cuando las va a enviar al Instituto Sorenson.

Desde Guadalajarra:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

El día 12/09/07, Eventos Genealogicos, de Historia y Publicaciones
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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Does anyone know what "hijo de estado chico" means in a church document? We have in particular a marriage between Francisco Godoy and Maria Rosa Llamas, where it states that Francisco is "hijo de estado chico" de Nicolas Godoy y Brigida Ortiz...

See the document scan at:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/showmedia.php?mediaID=124&medialinkI…

Any information about Don GABRIEL ORDOÑEZ RIFARACHE Clérigo Presbítero. I
know that "Don Fray Juan de Valle y Arredondo (Obispo 1608-1617) le
presentó al oficio de Pánuco y villa de Aguascalientes y después al del
Fresnillo".
Please anyone that runs across information on him, please let me know.
Thanks

Sylvia H Corona

The familysearchindexing.com site has recently put up the Aguascalientes section of the 1930 Mexico census up as a project!

Given that most people in this group are computer saavy and that this state is smack in the heart of our area of research, we should try to get as many people involved in helping out with this indexing project. You can volunteer to index as little or as much as you want and you can do it anytime you want over the internet.

Sign up for an account and start indexing today! I just did a couple of batches and it was quite simple.

http://www.familysearchindexing.org/en/index.jsp

Raul, I don't know if you have this information but I do have some of your line from Los Haros, Jerez Zacetacs that shows it a couple of generations further back than you posted in your file on both the Santiago and Haro families. My records only have 3 children for Jose Maria Hurtado and Maria Matilde Santiago, they are Pascuala 1889, Fabiana 1900 and Benigno in 1903.

Baptism: 19 March 1872 in Jerez
Matilde born in Los Haros Jueves 14 March 1872 4pm
Parents: Catarino de Santiago and Luisa de Haro
Pat grn: Ant. De Santiago and Trinidad Mercado
Mat grn: Basilio de Haro and Margarita Roman
Pad: Pilar de Santiago and Maria Benita de Luna
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C607172 1871 - 1873 0439854 Film NONE

I"m in the process of updating my information on Rootsweb.com since I find that site very easy to read. If you'll put in Matilde Santiago's birthdate it should pull up the file on this family plus her husbands family too. I will postpone updating until Monday evening since updating usually pulls it of line for a couple of days.. If I can be of any further help just let me know.

Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

Hola Primos! (Note: the rest of this message will be in English)

Well - was cruising the WEB - just looking - when I came across this site:

http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/group_detail.cfm?key=1253&gke…

and thought I would share. It isn't necessarily about our Ranchos area, but it is about our shared heritage - and since this is the time of year to recognize (nationally) our Heritage (whatever they choose to call it) I thought it might be of interest to you.
You also might be interested in this other Smithsonian site:

http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/educators/resource_library/hispanic…

How will you celebrate?? (I think Joseph will be looking for some MENUDO q;-) )

If you will be in Washington, DC during this time period, click on the Heritage Month Calendar for activities sponsored by the Smithsonian.

Food anthropologist...that is what she was....if I could re-live my life,
that is exactly what I would have been!!! It has been said that food is one of
the last vestiges of a culture to totally disappear when there is a dominant
cultural take-over (wars, conquerors, etc). I am so jealous Arturo.....I
would have loved to heard her lecture. I have often wondered how tamales were
made before the introduction of lard...which is definitely European....and yet
I've read that it is one of the oldest recipes in Mexico!

My husband's diet sounds very much like your father's...but it is out of
choice...he was raised in a small village where meat was/is not readily
available. (Most of the homes of the poorer people did not have electricity until a
few years ago!). Me, on the other hand, grew up in a household where a meal
was not complete unless there was meat and some sort of pasta/rice dish.
Beans were not served often...but I so enjoy them...and they enjoy messing with
me (smile).

Esperanza

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And then again many people would be resistant to the idea that during the conquest, the Mexicans(Aztecs) ate the españoles, their conquerors.

To anyone faint of heart, do not read beyond these words because I have quoted from Bernal Diaz del Castillo's History of the Conquest of Mexico.

Alicia

During the conquista while they were at war with each other the Aztecs would capture los españoles, cage them alive, fatten them and then carve out their hearts while they were still living and feed the warm hearts to their gods, the rest of the body they would eat. But then they complained that the españoles were too bitter to the taste and I quote from "The History of the Conquest of Mexico by Bernal Diaz del Castillo.(page 342)

"We all directed our eyes thither and shocking to relate! saw our unfortunate countrymen driven by force, cuffs and bastinades to the place where they were to be sacrificed, which bloody ceremony was accompanied by the mournful sound of all the instruments of the temple. We perceived that when they had brought the unfortunate victoms to the flat summit of the body of the temple, where were the adoratories, they put plumes upon their heads, and with a kind of fan in hand of each, made them dance before their accursed idols. When they had done this, they laid them upon the bricks, on the stone used for the purpose, where they cut out their hearts, alive, and having presented them, yet palpitating, to their gods, they drew the bodies down the steps by the feet, where they were taken by others of their priests. Let the reader think what were our sensations on this occasion"

If at any time I begin to bemoan the Spanish Conquest all I have to do is read the history of the conquest and and it puts my mind at ease knowing that we were better off after the conquest, not perfect but better.

----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:04:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vegeterian Mexican Cooking

I moved over to the general list.

thanks Arturo and Marge. Can you imagine how they must have been eaten
by the mosquitos if they were also eating them in quantities large
enough to form bricks.

Arturo if your memory triggers the names of those guest lecturers I'd
love to contact them to see if they'd be willing to do a podcast on that
subject for the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com site.

thanks again very interesting reply from both of you.

dogs, huh, I betya a lot of Mexican folk would resist the idea that our
ancestors ate them. Then again a lot of folks are resistant to the idea
that the Mexican population has a significant African blood line mixed in.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

arturoramos wrote:
> Joseph:
>
> I applaud you on your conviction and resolve to make the conversion. I tried vegeterianism for a while in college and converted back.
>
> My father, for health resasons, is largely a vegetarian as of several years back. He eats some fish and a bit of chicken but nothing else. He gets to eat nopales, frijoles, calabazas, elotes, huitlacoche, tunas and all sorts of other foods that he loves. The problem is more social since my mother and most of his acquaintances still eat menudo, pozole and tacos de carnitas. To my mother's credit she has started making chicken pozole.
>
> Anyhow, in college I had a course on pre-Hispanic Mexican history and anthropology and we had a guest lecturer for a couple of classes on the historic gastronomy of Mexico and given that turkeys and dogs were pretty much the only domesticated animals in Mexico... yes Mexicans ate dogs... little ones that looked like Chihuahuas but fatter because they force fed them corn... the diet was largely vegetarian.
>
> Beans, huitlacoche and fresh water algea and moss provided rich vegetarian protein sources.

Greetings,

As I am new to Nuestros Ranchos, please forgive me if I am not upto date. However, I have been reading about the person looking to understand what "Hijo de Estado Chico" means.

If I am not mistaken, in the old days one was described due to their economical status. Although "Estado" could mean or describe someone "status" lets not forget it also stands for "State" as in location. The word chico could mean "minor" meaning under age, but it could also stand for "small" as in someone from a small state/town. I think when they announce Estado Chico, it could mean someone from a small town/ranch, someone without large economical status or resources, maybe a humble person, etc......

Thank you for allowing me to give my input

Vivian, I have this record that seems to be from your family. I was tracking Mejia family trying to tie it into mine. Also, some records read Murillo and others read Morillo so you may want to check out both spellings.

#182 birth registration 19 Feb 1887 in Jerez
Juana Sotelo born in Tetarrona 8 Feb 1887
parents: Natividad Sotelo age 23 jornalero and Cecilia Escobar age 24
pat grn: Roman Sotelo and Mucia Morillo
mat grn: Jacinto Escobar and Maria Mejia
wit: Vidal Gomez and Bernabe Hernandez
source: 1081913 Jerez civil birth record

This record will take you back further than what you have posted in your file. I also have this family back further in my files posted on Rootsweb.com.. Just put this name and date and is will pull up the family in my files. If I can be of any help just let me know.

Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

I hope someone can help me since I can't seem to get into most of the files of the Nuestros Ranchos members. When I try to access the file it says error report, any idea what I'm doing wrong? I'd really like to see and read what's posted.

thanks for any suggestions,

Linda in B.C.

Not all microfilms have batch numbers. Only the microfilms that have been
extracted. I might also add that in order anyone to search those batches they
have to be in the IGI database (you may also want to search the Vital Records
Index). The easiest way to find a batch number (if it's not in the Nuestros
Ranchos database already) is to search the IGI for a generic name, then see if
any any of the results on the results page are for the town you are researching.
If the entries are from batches, then you will be provided a batch number and
years covered (and from which microfilm the information was extracted from).

-Lynn

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Hello! If I have a film number, how could I get the batch number, been the case
I don?t have a name nor a surname?
per example, I have a film number for Silao, Gto., FHL INTL 291844 baptisms
1670-1717, what would be the batch number?

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From: Marionicia
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I have on loan two films, one for Jes?s Mar?a, Jal. baptisms 1908-1916, other
one for Arandas, Jal. baptisms 1910-1913, I can do a look up glady.

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
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Have you ever looked at:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

there you will find batch numbers, at least that is how I found all of mine.

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:18:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leticia Leon
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ??how could I get the batch
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Thank you.

I found film numbers as well, but how do I get the batch?

Please, try to find the batch number for this films: 291844, or 291845, or
291846 related to baptisms from Silao, Guanajuato

As you see I need steps, so tell me how.

Do all films have a batch number?

Any help appreciated. Thank you again.

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Hello All,

There is a batch number listing on microfiche that is called "Parish and Vital Records List". The copy I have has the date July 1998.(I only copied a portion of the film I needed). I believe that is the last time the LDS church put it out before becoming computerized. Before computers the IGI was on Microfiche....and most family history centers keep on file the old fiche.

If you go in and ask for the Parish and Vital Records List don't be surprised if the volunteers don't know what your talking about. Most have only been trained on how to work the computer, help fill out order sheets and the like. Most of them do not know about using the old microfiche or what the library has in stock regarding records....unless that have worked on their genealogy and are familiar with their center.

If you don't find the help you want, start looking in the micro sheet drawers.

The Project is the batch number

Here is an example of what this microfiche has on it.........hope this comes out correctly in this posting

Mexico Parish and VItal Records List July 1998 Page.....

County Town/Parish Period Recd Printout Project Source
From - To Type Call No. Call No.

AGS Calvillo, San Jose 1798-1806 CHR NON J60267-2 0635762

Not all batch numbers are on the IGI, only ones where films were extracted. Above the batch number is J602672, if this does not work try K602672 or C602672. Sometimes early on the sex of the child was seperated by either J or K. Later the church combined them into using C in the beginning of the numbers.

Hope this helps.

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

Hola Otra vez amigos Genealogistas:

Se me olvido escribir lo siguiente:

No se si algun genealogista que visite este sitio se
encuentre actualmente revisando o investigando datos
en Ocotlan, Jalisco, que pudiera hacerme el favor de
buscar el Matrimoio de mis ya mencionados Bisabuelos
Ignacio Gomez Villarruel y Antonia Gomez Flores, que
se casaron civilmente el 26-Nov-1901, supongo que
el matrimonio Religioso debe estar alrededor de esa
fecha, me interesa mas que nada la INFORMACION
MATRIMONIAL de mis Bisabuelos, ya que siempre
se ha sabido que se casaron siendo Parientes,
pero he preguntado a mi familia y no han sabido
explicarme exactamente como era ese Parentesco
entre mis Bisabuelos, y ese punto debe estar bien
explicado en la Informacion Matrimonial o Dispensa
de Matrimonio por Cosanguinidad, en los registros
Civiles, hasta ahora, yo no he encontrado expicacion
o datos sobre parentescos de cosanguinidad, parece
ser que en los Matrimonios Civiles no es importante
o no se contempla el problema de la Consanguinidad
entre las parejas a casarse.
Por lo que necesito saber la informacion sobre
su parentesco en el matrimonio de mis Bisabuelos.

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Dejo aqui la siguiente Informacion:

Hace unos dias Murio mi Tia Abuela Aurora
Gomez Gomez, la ultima hermana viva que
quedaba de mi abuelo Jose, era religiosa.

Sor Clementina Del Sagrado Corazón de Jesús.
*06-Oct-1918 = +31-Ago-2007

Sus Hermanas Religiosas, Primos, Sobrinos y demas
familiares que la acompañan lo participan a Ud. y le ruegan
elevar sus Oraciones a Dios Nuestro Señor por el Eterno
descanso de su Alma.

Agosto 31 del 2007.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sor Clementina profesó en la Orden de las "Hermanas
Carmelitas Descalzas del Sagrado Corazón", fundada por
la "Madre Luisita" en Atotonilco El Alto, Jalisco. Nacio el
06-Oct-1918 en Tototlán, Jalisco, fue la penultima de 6
hermanos ( José 1907-1988, María 1909-1986, Ma. de Jesús
1913-2004, Angela 1915-1980, Soledad 1922-1995) y fue
Bautizada con el nombre de Aurora, sus padres: Ignacio
Gómez Villarruel y Antonia Gómez Flores. Inicio su vida
religiosa dedicandose a las misiones en varios lugares de
México y después se dedico a la enseñanza educativa.
Murio el 31-Ago-2007, en su Hospital-Convento de
Atotonilco El Alto, Jalisco.

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--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Hola amigos Genealogistas:

Escribo para ver si pudieran ayudarme en lo siguiente:

Mis Bisabuelos Maternos Ignacio Gomez Villarruel y
Antonia Gomez Flores, se casaron en Ocotlan, Jalisco el
21-Nov-1901 en Ocotlan, Jalisco, segun las actas de
Presentacion y Matrimonio Civil que encontre y tengo
en mi poder copias, alli dice que los 2 eran originarios
del Rancho "El Lobo" pero no dice que pertenezca al
Municipio de Ocotlan, aunque yo asi lo supongo, la cosa
es que mis Bisabuelos vivieron casi toda su vida en el
Rancho "Lobo Chico" (Luego le cambiaron el nombre
por Rancho "La Peregrina" y aclaraban en varios
documentos "antes Lobo Chico").
Mi duda es: Que el municipio de Totolan colinda
con el de Ocotlan, y no se si el mencionado Rancho
El Lobo, pertenezca a Ocotlan o a Tototlan, que
alguien me saque de la duda, y me diga exactamente
donde se localiza y si hay algun mapa que pueda
consultar para ver su ubicacion, ya fui a la pagina
del INEGI y no pude encontrar nada.
Yo supongo que "El Lobo" esta en Ocotlan y
que mis bisabuelos fueron a vivia a Tototlan y en
honor y recuerdo del Rancho donde Nacieron le
pusieron al suyo "Lobo Chico", no se donde pudiera
encontrar informacion al respecto.
--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Hello! If I have a film number, how could I get the batch number, been the case I don´t have a name nor a surname?
per example, I have a film number for Silao, Gto., FHL INTL 291844 baptisms 1670-1717, what would be the batch number?

Hello everyone:

I've been a member for about two weeks. In going through some old pictures, I decided to get serious about charting out my family history, and through good ole Google, came across this Web site. In going through old pictures my late parents left me, I also found a typed family history of the paternal side of my family, which is from Ejutla, Jalisco.

A bit of background on me: While my name is Roberto Garcia Michel, that's really my father's surnames. He was a Garcia on his fathers side, and Michel on his mothers. When he immigrated to the US in the early 1950s, they put down his last name as Michel, and his middle as Garcia. I'm proud of my father's accomplishments and his reputation in Illinois where I grew up, so I've kept the Michel name, though my mother's father's name was Flamenco, so in Mexico, I'd be Roberto Garcia Flamenco. (I do like the sound of that name.) For the past four years, I've lived in Wisconsin, right outside of Madison.

So I see from this Web site that people are serious about their research, and I want to start looking up some of film references mentioned, to really document the typed family history my mother handed down to me. I've retyped that family history, and posted via my Create Content function. The Microsoft Word document is called: Genealogías de la familia García Michel.

I believe other members can access this document. I details the family history on both sides of my father (Moises Garcia Michel) back to the 1700s. Names mentioned include Garcia, Michel, Medina, Gonzalez, Covarrubias, Tejeda, and several others. There are many references to dates and a few mentions of "Libros" in which records can be found. I'm going to try to find some of those records. Anyway, this simple text history might be interest to others, so I've posted it.

One initial question I have is whether Ejutla and San Miguel are one in the same. It appears that at one time, Ejutla was called San Miguel, but the name was changed in the late 1800s. I found a Jalisco state government Web site that indicates as much:

http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/srias/sgg/ceem/Monografias/Ejutla.html

For now, I'm glad to be a part of this group, and will seek to really document some more of my family history as time goes on. I haven't been to Ejutla since 1988, but hope to go back some day, so I'll see what I can find out from online sources.

Roberto Garcia Michel

I have on loan two films, one for Jesús María, Jal. baptisms 1908-1916, other one for Arandas, Jal. baptisms 1910-1913, I can do a look up glady.

Pedro:

The films listed in the database are all available through the Church of Latter Day Saints and you can order them at any one of their family history centers located throughout the US and the world for a nominal fee of $5.50. Some films are on permanent loan to group members and those who are willing to do ad hoc lookups for other members have listed their names next to the corresponding films.

Many of the films have been indexed by the LDS and those that have will have a button labeled "IGI" for International Genealogical Index or "VRI" for Vital Records Index just after the description and date ranges. If you click on the button, it will take you to familysearch.org where the indexed information is available to search online free of charge.

I would suggest that you (and any other new member) donwload two very important documents that are available in the Files section of the site under Reference Materials:

1. Nuestros Ranchos User Guide
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

2. Guide to Mexican Church Records
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14701

Angie,

Thank you so much for all the Romero information. There's a 100 year
gap between your Romero's and what I know about mine. Maybe they
connect somewhere in that 100 years. I copied the information and am
putting it in my Romero file. In the event I connect the two
families through further research, I will let you know. Is there
anything more you would like to know about my Romero family from
Tepatitlan?

Thanks again for all the information you so willingly shared.

Linda Romero

On Sep 9, 2007, at 2:56 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:
> Linda,
>
> Yes, I do have more information on Francisco Xavier ROMERO. He and
> his first wife are my 7th great-grandparents. They originally
> lived in Durango and then moved to Colotlan, Jalisco in the
> 1740's. Here is his family information from both his first and
> second wife.
>
> Francisco Xavier ROMERO married (1) Francisca NORIEGA ALDANA
> daughter of Francisco DE NORIEGA and Luisa DE ALDANA DE LA RUA on
> 11 Feb 1703 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango,
> Durango, Mexico. Francisca was christened on 23 Oct 1672 in El
> Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
>
> They had the following children:
> i. Petronila Maria de los Dolores ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on
> 27 Jan 1704 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango,
> Durango, Mexico.
> ii. Lorenso Hipolito ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on 29 Aug 1707
> in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
> iii. Dominga Maria ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on 23 Aug 1710 in
> El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
> iv. Joseph ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on 20 Jan 1716 in El
> Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
> v. Petronila Maria de los Dolores ROMERO NORIEGA was christened on
> 6 Mar 1718 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango,
> Durango, Mexico.
> vi. Juan Joseph ROMERO.
> Juan married Juana Maria DE ORTEGA daughter of Joseph DE ORTEGA and
> Leonoron DE CHAVES on 1 Mar 1737 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
> Mexico.
> vii. Joachin ROMERO.
> Joachin married Maria Dominga Josepha DE LA TORRE daughter of
> Phelipe DE LA TORRE and Antonia DE LA SENA on 12 Feb 1741 in San
> Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. (My 6th great-grandparents!)
> viii. Juan Manuel ROMERO.
> Juan married Ana Maria DE CASAS on 14 Feb 1745 in San Luis,
> Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
> ix. Agustina ROMERO.
> Agustina married Marcos DE ORTEGA son of Joseph DE ORTEGA and
> Leonoron DE CHAVES on 21 Jun 1745 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
> Mexico.
>
> Francisco Xavier ROMERO married (2) Maria de la Trinidad RAMIREZ on
> 4 Sep 1718 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango,
> Durango, Mexico.
>
> They had the following children:
> x. Paula de los Dolores ROMERO RAMIREZ was christened on 9 Jul 1719
> in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico.
> Paula married Gregorio MARQUES son of Pedro MARQUES and Clara DE
> CHAVES on 5 Apr 1739 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
> xi. Antonio Tiburcio ROMERO.
> Antonio married Margarita Josepha MARQUES GAMBOA daughter of Joseph
> Antonio MARQUES and Juana Francisca GAMBOA on 29 May 1748 in San
> Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. Margarita was christened on 10 Aug
> 1727 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
> xii. Juana Anttonia ROMERO RAMIREZ was christened on 5 Jul 1733 in
> San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
> Juana married Mathias Nicolas MARQUES RAMIREZ son of Francisco
> MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS and Theresa RAMIREZ DE LA ROSA on 10 Jul 1748
> in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. Mathias was christened on
> 12 Apr 1722 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
>
> I couldn't find any information on the couple you mentioned.
>
> Angie Godina
>
>

Does anyone have the following records on permanent loan from SLC and
will look up a couple of records for me?

Source 0218457, Batch C603711
Source 0218529, Batch M603739

I am looking for information on Serapio Romero and Petra Pena, their
children and parents.

Manuel Romero's wedding is in Source 0218457, Batch C603711. I
have a copy but it is very hard to read.

If someone can look these up and either copy them or tell me what
they say, I would be very grateful. I don't speak Spanish, so if
there is a chance that they can be translated, I will be very, very
grateful.

Thank you for your help.

Linda

Hello Everyone,

I am trying to find information on the Hacienda de las Gallinas, The Rancho del Peñuelo and the Rancho del Pueblito, all located in Pinos, Zacatecas. How to find out who owned them around 1860-1918.

Thank you.

My ggggrandfather was named Juan Jose Acevedo or (de Asevedo), he had

3 sons, Jose Toribio born @ 1773, Jose Maria born @ 1785, and Bernardo born

about 1787, I found all 3 marriage records for them but could not find their birth

records, it appears they were probably all born in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

Juan Jose (their father) was married to Maria Manuela de la Vega.

If anyone out there has any information that maybe would help me find out more I

would be very gratedful.

Thank you,
Aida Garralda

garralda@cox.net