Hi there ,
I would like to have the file .
Thank you ,
Welester
> > For those of you who would like it. I can send a file that supposibly> traces the European Royality back to Adam. It is about 2.6 meg in size.
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That's a good story. I remember my dad (a white German) howling, too, when
the mariachis would sing and play at our church fiestas. He may have had a
beer or two, but he would let out that characteristic howl, can't put it
into words, but I remember that more than the way it is supposed to sound!
I never realized until hearing the Las Mananitas song and in remembering the
mariachis, how much of the Mexican culture was in my upbringing and in my
hometown in So. Cal., mostly connected to my church. I know that the
Catholic church in Mexico was a focal point for villages, as churches used
to be in this country. I loved the activities and people in my church, the
fiestas, the families that kept having baby after baby, the long history
with so many of them from having gone to the same church for years and
years. All the pancake breakfasts, spagetti dinners, potlucks, doing
yardwork around the priest's home, cleaning the altar with my mother every
Saturday morning, praying to the statue of the Blessed Mother after
confession. I would look at the snake she had under her foot and want to
touch it! Those were good times. I'm very glad and very proud of that
heritage, that background. My church was a community rich in Mexican
culture, even though the region was an Italian stronghold (I've heard a lot
of polka music, too!).
Corrine
Hola Bill y Jorge:
Gusto en saludarlos, espero estén bien y les deseo lo mejor.
Yo también les doy gracias a los 2 por sus informaciones ya que
como también yo estudio mi genealogía en los altos de Jalisco, todos
estos datos son muy interesantes y de gran ayuda para mi.
Si yo he oido del ilustre genealogista Don Jaime Holcombe, que
paso gran parte de su vida estudiando e investigando genealogía, eso
me lo han comentado los hermanos genealogistas de la estaca unión
de aquí mi ciudad de Guadalajara, me dicen que como afirma Bill,
a pesar de tener muchísimos conocimientos y documentos
genealógicos nunca publico nada, y al morir sus su tesoro
archivistico quedo a la deriva, que de recién muerto su viuda
ofreció los archivos en venta a los miembros de la Iglesia de Jesucristo
de los Santos de los últimos Días, pero que los ofreció muy caros
y ellos no quisieron comprárselos, y según me dicen, al parecer el
Sr. Holcombe, todabia en vida, había autorizado a IJSUL a microfilmar
sus archivos, y me dicen que se pueden pedir los microfilmes de sus
archivos para investigar en ellos, solo hay que saberlos buscar para
localizar los números de los microfilmes.
Y a fin de cuentas no he sabido que fin tuvieron los archivos
originales del Sr. Holcombe, ojala y no hayan terminado tirados
en el basurero o quemados, y puedan rescatarse, por eso es tan
importante dar a la luz la investigación que tanto trabajo cuesta
reunir, y que no quede truncada y en el olvido toda esa información
que es muchas de las veces gran parte de la vida de un investigador
como lo fue del Sr. Holcombe, y gracias a dios existe este gran
medio de Internet de alcance mundial para y los grupos de disoluciones
genealógicas para dar a conocer lo investigado o realizar un libro en
formato PDF y venderlo electronicamente por internet.
Por cierto Jorge Luis, hace unos días me contacto primero por
correo electrónico y luego hablamos telefónicamente la Sra. Beatrice
Gutiérrez, comentandome primero que hablo con el Sr. Mariano
Gonzalez Leal preguntando por su libro enciclopédico de apellidos
de los Altos de Jalisco, y al parecer la trato muy mal y se subió de
tono esa conferencia telefónica, y me comenta la Sra. Beatrice que
quedo muy desilusionada de Don Mariano.
En segundo lugar, me comento que ella es la verdadera autora
del libro que últimamente llaman de "Genealogía de Pegueros, Jalisco"
pero que ella por su propio esfuerzo investigo y publico y agoto en su
totalidad el pequeño tiraje de la edición, este libro me comenta, ella
lo publico en honor a su en aquel entonces precien fallecido padre,
y me dice que en verdad se titulo "Descencencia de Isidro Gutiérrez
Robledo (El Mozo) en Pegueros, Jalisco", que este personaje fue
el que fue a vivir y dio forma al hoy poblado de Pegueros, Jalisco y
casi todos los Gutierrez de Mendoza de este pueblo son sus
descendientes, también me comento sobre el famoso "Birrias", que
ya una de sus hermanas hablo con el, y que en verdad es
impresionante la lucidez de conocimiento que tiene sobre la
genealogia de Pegueros, en especial de los Gutiérrez de Mendoza
que en verdad es una enciclopedia viviente sobre el tema, me dice
que se apellida Gutierrez también y que al parecer se le puede
encontrar en el cementerio de Pegueros ya que hace trabajos de
albañileria alli en el Cementerio que tiene entre 35 y 40 años de
edad.
Jorge: Cuéntame como estuvo el certamen de Señorita Pegueros.
Saludos desde Guadalajara:
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.
El día 15/06/07, Bill Figueroa escribió:
>
> Hola Jorge,
>
> Disculpa la tardanza, pero me costó un poco encontrar la fuente de
> información que me pediste. Adjunto encontrarás un recorte de un documento
> escrito por el genealogista Jaime Holcombe que dice entre otras cosas:
>
> *"Los abuelos paternos del esposo fueron Alonso Rangel, Conquistador
> y Luisa Velásquez de Salazar quienes vivieron en la ciudad de Zacatecas. Hay
> un pueblo en los Altos de Jalisco donde descendientes de este linaje
> tuvieron tierras; se llama "PEGUEROS"."*
>
> Como tú sabes, Jaime Holcombe es considerado uno de los grandes
> genealogistas mexicanos de los últimos tiempos. Jaime dejó muchísima
> información genealógica, casi toda en cartas y otros documentos. Escribió
> algunos artículos pero no creo que haya escrito libros. Además de la
> veracidad de su información, casi siempre respaldó sus datos con fuentes
> de información fidedignas. Me imagino que cuando dice que los descendientes
> del linaje Pegueros tuvieron tierras en ese pueblo, puede haberse basado en
> documentos que encontró en el *Fondo de Tierras y Aguas del Archivo
> Público del Estado de Jalisco*, el cual conocía muy bien. La verdad es
> que éste origen se me hace más lógico que el de los atascaderos causados por
> la confluencia de los ríos Guayabo Arriba y Guayabo Abajo.
>
> Bueno, esa es solo mi opinión. A ver tú que opinas.
>
> Un saludo,
>
> Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ramírez"
> To: "Genealogia de Mexico"
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:42 AM
> Subject: [Genealogia.org.mx] 12056 Re: 12038 Que Significa "circa".
>
>
> Hola Bill, me podrías decir porque dices que los descendientes de los
> Rangel Peguero tuvieron tierras ahí en Pegueros, ¿Tienes algo que me
> pueda aclarar el asunto?
>
> Lo que pasa es que en Pegueros se dice que Pegueros antes se llamaba
> Pegaderos, porque en tiempos muy remotos se juntaban el Río Guayabo de
> Arriba y el Río Guayabo de Abajo y se hacía un atascadero de lodo en
> ese lugar, y a la hora de pasar las carretas y animales, todo se
> quedaba pegado y es por ello que se llama así.
>
> También había escuchado que podría ser por los Rangel Peguero, pero se
> dice que la teoría mas acertada es la de Pegaderos. Te lo comento
> porque el 02 de junio estuve en Pegueros, en el Certamen Señorita
> Pegueros 2007, y ahí se mencionó el origen del nombre de Pegueros.
>
> Si tienes información de lo que mencionas y me lo puedes proporcionar
> te lo agradeceré muchísimo.
>
> Saludos Bill.
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
>
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Saludos desde Guadalajara:
Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez
I wanted to thank everyone for helping me with those translations. I
realize more and more how important it is to go beyond literal
translations. Learning the history not only brings into the equation the
setting and purpose to the words being used the way they were, but also
enriches our understanding of our ancestors' lives.
Corrine Ardoin
I am aware that the Northern California (NorCal) group had a meeting in March, but don't remember seeing a follow-up report - did I miss it? where would I find it?
Are there any other regional meetings being planned this year ... just in case I might be in your area at the same time as a planned meeting - I'd like to join in, if possible. Just trying to plan ahead ; - )
Gracias,
Natalie in VA
My name is Paula Wakefield and I am searching for maternal ancestors---any help will be appreciated. Thank You
Octaviano Castorena and Refugio Macias are my GGgrandparents. ( Maternal --moms' dads line) I have no info on them other than the following children.
MARIA MARCOS CASTORENA MACIAS-b.4/25/1853--C.-4/26/1853--Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
FERNANDO CASTORENA MACIAS-b.-5/30/1854-C.-5/31/1854--Sagarario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jalisco,Mexico
TEOFILA CASTORENA MACIAS-C.-1/10/1856--Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
MARIA VICENTA DE LOS DOLORES CASTORENA MACIAS-C.-7/20/1857-Santa Fe, Guanajuato, Guanajuato, Mexico
JOSE HIGINIO CASTORENA MACIAS-C.-1/11/1859-Nuestra Senora de La Soledad, Irapuato, Guanajuato,Mexico
ANASTACIA CASTORENA MACIAS-C.-4/26/1862-El Sagrario or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas,Zacatecas
REFUGIO CASTORENA MACIAS--( this was my Ggrandmother ) C.-6/28/1864--Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
I don't know why this family moved so much--as I said I can't find anything on the parents-Octaviano Castorena and Refugio Macias.
Refugio Castorena married HILARIO HERNANDEZ- son of Ramon Hernandez and Maria Zenobia Guerra. This family was from Guanajuato, Mexico. The only child I can find whose parents were Hilario Hernandez and Refugio Castorena was
MARIA HERNANDEZ-B.-5/25/1892--c.6/5/1892--Sagrario, Aguacalientes,Aguacalientes,Mexico
I know there were at least 5 older sibs--these included my grandfather
I was able to get a copy of Marias' Baptismal record-It names both sets of grandparents, that is how I was able to go back another generation but I am blocked--I even went through 5000 Castorena surnames and no luck with Octaviano. For that matter I can not find his wife Refugio Macias nor my other set of GGrandparents-Ramon Hernandez and Zenobia Guerra.
Any help to trace my ancestors is truly appreciated. I'd have a séance but--if it did work they probably wouldn't show up there either.
Thank You
Paula
Sorry it took so long Welester, but I have finally uploaded the pictures
I was suppose to upload back in early May.
these pictures are fabulous and everyone should see what our ancestors
were up to many many hundreds of years ago:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16075
joseph
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Hi Joseph ,
Glad you liked them and I'm sure the members will like them as well . I will try and get fotos of the petroglyphs , they show a lot of creativity .
Welester
> > Sorry it took so long Welester, but I have finally uploaded the pictures > I was suppose to upload back in early May.> > these pictures are fabulous and everyone should see what our ancestors > were up to many many hundreds of years ago:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16075> > joseph>
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Victoriano,
I can think of various translations of the verb "velar."
1.- [common] To stay awake, not to sleep; even as when "working the 'third
shift.' "
2.- [religion] To keep vigil. As in Rosaries and accompanying the body
throughout the night in funerals.
3.- [variant] To keep watch (hacer guardia).
4.- [figurative] To veil, to obscure, to hide.
In the instant case, I am convinced that it is a variation of number 4, and
relates to that integral portion of the catholic marriage ceremony where
the face of the bride is "unveiled" by the priest, and in modern ceremonies
commonly performed jointly by the best man and the maid of honor. In this
same context, we can note that "veiling ceremonies" sometimes were
conducted, at sites separate from where the marriage ceremony was
conducted, in such cases as when the bride and groom were 'vecinos' of
different parishes.
Hope this is not too confusing.
Efrain
> [Original Message]
> From: victorianonavarro
> To:
> Date: 6/12/2007 8:16:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Latin in Marriage Record
>
>
> A non literal translation could be:
> "After doing all I was supposed to do according to the Catholic rites, I
marry and watch over before the Church (or in the front part of the
building, as conrique says) these persons..."
> Or:
> "after the formalities and examination of the christian doctrine I marry
and I watch over before the Church, this guy and his bride...."
> Regards,
> VN
I had some difficulty translating a couple of phrases found in parish
marriage records. I discovered they are Latin phrases that seem to be
terms used in parish documents that have specific meaning. I found some of
them in a law dictionary. One of these phrases is "in fasie eclesia." In
fasie, in the law dictionary, means "in the presence of," so the term, I
concluded, since "eclesia" refers to the church, would translate as "in the
presence of the church."
The next phrase is "inter missarum solemnia." The word "inter" means
"among" and "solemnia," looks like "solemn," so this term would translate as
"among solemn....." Well, that's all I figured out so far. This is in an
1896 record. But, as I recall, even in the 1960's when I attended my
Catholic church in Southern California, the mass was still in Latin, so I
guess it shouldn't come as any surprise to find Latin terms as recent as the
late 1800's.
One of the sentences I am having particular difficulty with, I was hoping
someone could help me with. The document starts out with the usual
introduction of where it is and who is writing the document. Then it goes
into what was done there, saying, "previas las diligencias de estilo y
examen de la doctrina cristiana caso y velo in fasie eclesia, a ....."
Then, it gives the grooms and brides names, their information, etc. So far,
I have translated it as "foresaw the formalities and examination of the
christian doctrine marry and watch over in the presence of the church,
to...." But, this doesn't make any sense. Anyone have any ideas?
Corrine Ardoin
Being new to this group, I am somewhat hesistant to post anything and, thereby, annoy the membership! However, it doesn't make any sense to join and then sit back and wait...Anyway, I can find no more info on my great-grandparents and thought someone here might have some suggestions on how to find something when the information is so sparse. So, here goes...
Here is what I know:
My Grandmother was Guadalupe Otila Macias, born in Durango, Mexico on April 12, 1912, died October 29, 1980 in San Antonio, TX. She was the daughter of Margarita Garcia Alvarado and Pablo Macias Baldez. (Baldez could have been Valdez, but my mom seemed to think it was Baldez)
Guadalupe’s parents were from Central Mexico around Zacatecas and Guanajuato. They were:
Pablo Macias Baldez, son of Francisco Macias and Isabella Baldez. Isabella’s father was Ponuceno Baldez.
Pablo Macias was born June 20, 1872 in (to the best of my knowledge) Aguascalientes, Mex.
Died August 1961 – buried in El Carmen Church Cemetery in Cassin, TX. His home was in Cassin, TX.
Margarita Macias was born October 18, 1895 in beautiful San Miguel de Allende, Mexico Died May 1957.
She was the daughter of Victoria Alvarado and Pilar Garcia. Margarita supposedly had a twin sister named Josephina. And brothers named Alejandro, Jose, and Sylvestre.
Pablo and Margarita had 13 children
1. 1st born died at age 3. Frank?
2. Berula aka Belda
3. Guadalupe born in Durango, Mex
4. Isabel born in Rockdale,TX. 4/13/13. Margarita was pregnant with her when she moved
from Mex to Tex. Isabel was nicknamed Chabella
5. Frank
6. Juanita born in Cassin, TX March 14, 1918 (my mom, Aunt Janie) there was no birth
certificate issued for her as she was born at home. So one was issued years later and
they put the wrong year of 1917.
7. Jesse
8. Pablo (he was also Jesse or Jesus on record, but was called Pablo and Paul).
9. Jose(Joe)
10. Maria (
11. Margarita (Maggie)
12. Pedro born 10/20/31 (Pete)
13. Pilar (pilo)
Also, Pablo had a brother named Nieves Macias who lived in Bryan, TX, and two sisters named Antonia (Tonia) and Manuela Macias. Manuela also lived in Bryan, Tx.
If any of this means anything to anyone, please respond. If you have any suggestions, that would be great. Thank you in advance!
LT
I have just uncovered an ancestor who was married prior to her 12th birthday in the early eighteen hundreds. My genealogy software keeps giving a warning on this record. It seems many women were married around 15 or 16 years old during this time. This is the first one that was so young, but I know that it happened in Appalacian Mountains even up to the 1900's. I have not ordered the films yet to check for the accuracy and whether this is the right family, but has anyone else run across marriages where the bride was so young?
Maureen Bejar
Does anyone know anything about this Family in aguascalientes. I had a Diaz line in Jalisco which eventually made it self back to Aguascalientes into the compund surname diaz de tiscareno:
HEre is my information
Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno
Born ca. 1703 in Villa de Aguascalientes
Greetings All,
Does anyone have any of the above surnames in their genological tree in the Chalchihuites, Sombrerete, Zacatecas area? What I have so far is:
Jose Goitia married Dolores Zamora around 1865.
Children:
Dolores, Florencio, Manuel, Nicolasa, Romanita, Sabino, Santiago, & Sebastian.
Bernardo Paez married Rafaela Romero about 1870.
Children:
Jose Maria, Francisco
Jose Maria Paez Romero married Dolores Goitia Zamora around 1898.
Any help would be appreciated.
By the way, this site has been very useful and informative. Congratulations!
Gilbert Paez
Joseph,
Do you have a Gregorio RObles somewhere in there circa 1670 +/- 20 years. I believe my Gregorio might have come from Tepetongo, Zac to Saltillo. He married a Maria Sanchez. I have no clue where he was from. I believe Jalisco or Sombrette are other possibilities.
Esther A. Herold
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> Well the genealogies he covers in depth are: De la Torre, Robles,
> Correa, Sanchez, Nava, Gonzalez, Murillo, Carols, Rodriguez, Mejia,
> Zuniga, and Salazar. Not Gutierrez. I went through and tried to find
> Maria Ignacia de la Torre (1780) but the genealogies are very very very
> user unfriendly and it would take a major research session (maybe a few
> days worth) to search each page. Sorry,
>
> joseph
>
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>
>
>
> Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> > I'm wondering if someone can do a look up for me in the book by Mr. De la
> Torre Berumen on Tepetongo. I'm trying to find ancestors or other family
> members for this Gutierrez family in Tepetongo and Jerez. I had this book but
> sold it to a group member, thanks in advance.
> > Linda in Everett
> >
> > 1 Vicente Gutierrez 1777 - b: Abt. 1777 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
> > . +Maria Ignacia de la Torre 1780 - b: Abt. 1780 in Tepetongo, Zac
> > ........ 2 Domingo Gutierrez 1802 - b: Abt. 1802 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
> > ............ +Guadalupe Oyarzabal 1805 - b: Abt. 1805 in Jerez, Zac ? Father:
> Jose don Oyarzabal Mother: Clara do
The source I found was published so it must be somewhat true, At least that's what I believe.
This is what the book is called
Enciclopedia de Navarra. Tomo IV. pp. 403-404 ESPARZA
Here is a small part of it in transalation
ESPARZA, Lineage - The first mention of this lineage (stock) goes back to 1046 when Garcia de Esparza, 1st lord of Esparza and Escaroz, made a donation to Leyre and to the bishop Don Sancho of the monastery erected at Escaroz.
Belonging to or having relationship with the line: Lope de Esparza, who in 1238 left
Navarra to fight in the conquest of Valencia (against the Moors) together with Jaime I (F!
Conquistador). As a reward he received from Jaime the place Benafar (in the province of
Valencia). Monseñor Rodrigo de Esparza, chamberlain (camerlango) of Carlos III deceased in
1423; and captain Ramón de Esparza, Lord of Esparza, Artieda, Vesoya y Escaroz, Almirante of
the valley of Salazar and Aalmiradío de Navascués, which he received from monarchs Juan and
Catalina (of Navarra) from the property of Orazeati in 1497.
At the beginning of the XVI century there came the linkage of the lineages of Esparza and Elio by the marriage of Ana de Esparza, likewise, Lady of Esparza, Artieda, Vesoya, Escaroz, Ugarrón y Guerendiáin, with Luis de Elio y Goñí, Lord of Elío. who died in 1525 in the battle of Pavía, serving Carlos I.
Gaspar Piñeiro de Elío, Esparza y Artieda, served Felipe IV, Carlos II, was master of the field of the Tercios@ de Navarra and as a result wounded in Fuenterrabía. In 1689, in the edition of the Anales@ (annals) of Padre Moret, is read the approval of the work done by José Piñeiro de Elío, master of the field of the Spanish infantry.
The offspring of the lineage remained in the village, appear frequently among its principals, especially in reference to the Lord of the Apa1acio de Cabo de armería de Esparza@, (literally,palace at the end of the armory (gunsmith) of Esparza). Lope Sanz de Fsparza was alcalde (mayor) of the valley in 1125; in 1488, Lope de Esparza was a noble exempt of any payment of the cuarteles (barracks). an exemption granted the palace of Esparza in 1429; in 1599, Lope de Fsparza y Artieda appears as a perpetual Almirante of the Valley of Salazar and the almiradio de Navascués; another Lope de Esparza appeared before, in 1537, as beneficiary of an Acostamiento of 50,000 maravedises for services rendered to the crown in Italy, Flanders and Portugal; he was the brother of Francisco de Esparza y Artieda, lieutenant of the castle of San Telmo in Naples. JAG
My name is Paula and I am searching maternal grandparents and back two generations. I am looking for --Castorena/Macias-----Hernandez/ Castorena and Hernandez/Guerra.. The records I have ( all from Mormon Family History site ) show these families in Aguacalientes, Zacatecas and Jalisco. Do these names sound familiar to anyone ?
Thank you
Paula-------ropawa@msn.com
I just ran across this article, which I believe someone had mentioned previously by reference to an article that talked about it. I am a bit of a math nerd so reading the actual article and its modeling assumptions is quite interesting.
It is amazing to think that the most recent common ancestor of ALL human beings may have lived as late as 2000 years ago. Perhaps more surprising is the fact that all people who lived just 2000 or 3000 years before that are either (1) the ancestors of EVERYONE on earth today; or (2) have no descendants living today.
http://tedlab.mit.edu/~dr/Papers/Rohde-MRCA-two.pdf
I suppose we should not be surprised that we are finding so many common ancetors among ourselves 200 or 300 years back.
I have found some new names to add to my family tree on my mother's side. I
got them from the parish records for the Santuario de Nuestra Senora de
Guadalupe Catholic church in Guadalajara, Jalisco. Film number is 0038507
and they are for marriages 1868-1898.
However, even though the records say they are of "matrimonios," I am having
trouble translating them to determine if they are the actual wedding day
record, or some say "dispensa" and some say "infacie ecclesia."
Nevertheless, here are the records I found to add to my ancestral chart:
Juan Manuel Rodriguez, 27, and Maria Silvestre Robles, 21; October 30, 1870;
groom's parents are Juan Jose Rodriguez and Simona Pancardo, both deceased;
bride's parents are Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera, both living, my
great-grandfather, Alberto Martin del Campo's, grandparents, his mother's
parents. Maria Silvestre Robles was his aunt, his mother's sister.
Juan Martin del Campo, 23, and Maria Hilaria Meza, 19; July 16, 1874;
groom's parents are Tomas Martin del Campo, deceased and Nievez Muniz,
living, my great-grandfather, Alberto Martin del Campo's grandparents, his
father's parents. Juan Martin del Campo was his uncle, his father's
brother; the bride's parents are Jesus Meza and Leandra de la Cruz.
Ysmael Martin del Campo, 20, and Rita Robles, 24; February 9, 1875; groom's
parents are Tomas Martin del Campo and Maria Nieves Munis, both deceased;
bride's parents are Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera. Ysmael and Rita were
my great-grandfather Alberto's parents.
Corrine Ardoin
David,
Yes, the baseline for inquiry/research for (Toribio and Isabel) birth dates
is 1520 to 1530, and we need to recognize that, this was the very start of
the colonization of the Nueva Espana (Mexico). So, availability of records
in Mexico for that time is almost nonexistent; - - - and it is also quite
likely that Toribio and Isabel were born in Spain.
[Cuauhtemoc's surrender occurred in 1521]
[The Viceroyalty was not created until 1523, and the first Viceroy did not
arrive until 1535]
Therefore, like all genealogical investigations about this era, it would
seem best to pursue this research with a bi-directional strategy: (1)
births, marriages, and transit from Spain (into Mexico), during the
approximate 1500 to 1550 time span, --- and (2) looking for ancestry
information in the very sparse Mexican records of events from about 1540
or so.
Since we believe that Toribio and Isabel were from "noble" families, it
might also be fruitful to look for information about them --- and their
families --- in historical and migration "writings" about that era.
These are the areas where I will be looking/researching, --- but you may
get there first !! In any event, we can share our findings along the way.
Good luck !
Efrain
> [Original Message]
> From: mormonboy74
> To:
> Date: 6/3/2007 9:04:16 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Where can i Find her info?
>
>
> Hello Efrain, Thanks for your help, I was wondering since I have extra
time
> where would or where do you think her records would be also that of
Toribio Hernandez? Mexico City, or Aguascalientes? since its ca. 1530 it
should me Mexico City or in that region.
> Daniel Alejandro Mendez del Camino
perdon , pero estoy investigando mi arbol genealogico y gran parte de mi familia segun lo que he investigado esta en jalisco y zacatecas pero me atore, si alguien tiene datos que me pudieran ayudar acerca de las siguientes personas se los agradeceria:
gorgonio avila ruiz, guillermina robles gonzalez , eulogio robles, m. jesus gonzalez, serapio avila, m. merced ruiz, estevan euron, , paula padilla, luz lopez, felipa aguilar, pero lo que mas me interesa y es donde tengo menos datos es de luisa gonzalez nacida en 1905 al parecer hija de hilario gonzalez y refugio elizondo, se que hay algo que mi Padre no quizo decir u ocultar en esta rama por lo tal quiero seguir investigando y formar mi arbol de la mejor forma para que mis descendientes lo aprecien.
p.d. han de disculpar por tanto texto, pero me gusta investigar.
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Interesting quote from the movie "The man who wasn't there", by the Coen brothers, with Billy Bob Thorton:
I found myself, more and more,
going over to the Abundas's.
It was a routine we fell into
most every evening.
I even went when Walter was away
on his research trips.
He was a genealogist,
Had traced back his side of the family seven generations,
His late wife's eight.
It seemed like a screwy hobby,
But then maybe all hobbies are.
Maybe Walter found something there
in the old county courthouses,
Hospital file rooms,
City archives, property rolls,
Registries.
Something maybe like what I found listening to Birdy play.
Some kind of escape.
Some kind of peace.
Does anyone know who Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza is? She would of been born around 1530 in Mexico City. Her father was said to be Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, a Spanish Conquistador, and the grandchild of
Rodrigo Hurtado de Mendoza, the Marquis of Cenete. Other sources said this is inaccurate and there is no evidence for this. I think many of us on Ranchos descend from Isabel de Mendoza through the Ruiz de Esparza and Lopez de Elisalde lines. Is there any Mexico City Records or anything during that period that could prove this? and find out who she exactly is? Any assistance is helpful. Thanks. -Daniel Mendez del Camino
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Dear Somos Primos reader:
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and heritage materials, or ideas.
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Does anyone know this surname, as far as I have seen its not very commen in Aguascalientes but there are A LOT in Jalisco and Michoacan Area. I have never heard the surname de Ordorica before until know. I think My Ordorica line migrated to Aguas in the mid 1740's. Here is my Ordorica line.
Maria Rita de Ordorica born ca. 1775 in Ciudad Aguascalientes, Ags., Mexico and married Hipolito de Soto around 1795 and had Mateo de Soto y de Ordorica who is my 4th great grandfather. Any help is appreciated. Thanks for all your help in the past.