Nuestros Ranchos Site

Jonathan:

The conference is not until the 15th of May so it is a bit more than a month away. I just went on the website and saw some interesting seminars, etc. I am now considering going for a day since I don't think I can take more than that off work and since it is only a few hours from Washington DC.

For anyone interested, below is the website:

http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/2007/

There is nothing Mexican or Hispanic/Latin themed at all but some of the more technical seminars on standard of proof, technology, etc. seem very useful.

Hi Linda, I just send you a privete email . I have no idea why it was in the refuse place. But I also notice that I can't log on or maybe I don't know how. I would like to add to my family tree for all to see but I can.
Have a nice weekend all.

Mary

Alicia,
I was planning on going with all my cousins who live
in LA, but it turns out my niece is doing her
confirmation that same weekend in Benicia. I really
hate to miss out. Sounds like fun. Oh well, maybe next
year.

Let me know if you decide to go.

Loulou

--- Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Loulou,
>
> Will you be going to this event? Or for that matter
> will anyone else who's from that region be going to
> this celebration in April? I don't know if I can but
> it sounds like it would be a nice opportunity to
> meet up with people from our region.
>
> Thanks Loulou for posting this!!
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Loulou_R
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:39:53 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sèptimo Aniversario del
> Día de Nochistlense
>
>
> Just wanted to pass along the following
> announcement:
>
> La Asociación de Clubes Nochistlenses los invita a
> celebrar el día del Nochistlense los días 28 y 29 de
> Abril del presente año.
>
> http://nochistlenses.org/eventos.html
>

i will be going.

Alicia Carrillo wrote: Loulou,

Will you be going to this event? Or for that matter will anyone else who's from that region be going to this celebration in April? I don't know if I can but it sounds like it would be a nice opportunity to meet up with people from our region.

Thanks Loulou for posting this!!

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Loulou_R
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:39:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sèptimo Aniversario del Día de Nochistlense

Just wanted to pass along the following announcement:

La Asociación de Clubes Nochistlenses los invita a celebrar el día del Nochistlense los días 28 y 29 de Abril del presente año.

http://nochistlenses.org/eventos.html

Mary,

If you want a old map of Zacatecas, I suggest going to www.davidrumsey.com .
They have 2 Maps of Zacatecas , One from 1827 and the other from 1858. Also, I can email you a map of Zacatecas (but it is 5 meg in size).

Jonathan

Mary,

What type of a map, are you looking for?

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Panuco, Zacatecas
Date: 04/01/07 09:40

> I would like to know if someone is doing resarch in Panuco, Zacatecas. I
would also like a map of Zacatecas, can anyone help me with getting one??
>
> I am doing resarch for my g--grandmother, her name is Manuela Mitre and
her father is Maroial Mitre her mother is Juana Sandoval and they are from
Panuco, Zacatecas. It seems that her father got married more than once and
I am having a hard time to know which is which.
> There is to many Manuel's in that area. I found a Manuel Garcia getting
married to a Manuela Mitre, but I don't think that is the one. She is 15
years old when she married and if I am not mistaken she got married in
1869. My Manuela Mitre had a child in 1861.
>
> I also ran into a Robert Mite from Colorado.and his g--grandfather's name
is Tiburcio Mitre and his wife was Refo Diaz. This was the begning of my
confusion. When I did a resarch I found out that both g-g-grandfathers
have the same name, but different wifes.
>
> Monday I will be ordering 2 film from the LDS. One for Birth and one for
Marriages. Maybe I can solve this problem.
>
> Mary
>
>
> mgervassi@earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.

The Portuguese surname practices that you discuss were not unique to the Portuguese. The Spanish in the 1500's and beyond take similar liberty in the use of apellidos. For example, the Santos Coy and the de la Garza Falcon surnames from the Nuevo Leon/Saltillo/Monterey are equally bizarre if you go back to the original paternal and maternal surnames in Spain. Admittedly, these two families had family members in their genealogy tree that were Portuguese and likely Jewish. However, there many other Spanish examples, e.g. Don Juan de Oñate---Basque paternal line and converso maternal line.

I often wonder if the conversos had multiple names (Christian name and Jewish name), thereby making the Christian name less important or not as important. The latter is sheer speculation on my part.

Ed

Alicia, I'm having the same problem with females choosing to use grandparents surnames in the 1600's in Michoacan Mexico making it really hard to put my Alvarez Del Castillo families in the records correctly. They use grandparents surnames on some records and their mothers surname of others and then there is always that one record with their fathers surname in the mix! If a person was not familiar with what doing genealogy entails they would think we were crazy for putting so many surnames into one persons records.

Every bit of information, like the naming practice's of the Portuguese are important for doing research. I'm wondering if Portuguese scribes in early Mexico had anything to do with this too?

Linda in Everett

Linda Castanon-Long

Natalie,

I was the note taker and have not had a chance to transcribe my notes and present to our coordinator.

Hopefully I will have time this weekend and will submit them to Maria Cortez and she will forward them to the group. We had an extremely lively meeting with much participation on everyone's part. It's been the largest gathering to date, we were cozy like sardines in the meeting room and the room was pretty spacious.

Alicia

----- Original Message ----
From: nc_coleman
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:29:58 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] NoCal Genealogy Meeting - will there be a report?

Just curious: How was the meeting of the Northern California Ranchos Group that was held in Sacramento? The agenda looked very interesting. Will you be posting a report?

Natalie in VA

Natalie,

Thanks for this info. It is very interesting. I also tried the link to the Immigration Museum, and it doesn't work, perhaps because that museum is still in the planning stage or has been put on the back burner? I did try the "more" link, and I really found all the links very interesting as regards sites about the Southwest and Mexico.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: nc_coleman
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "El Paso del Norte"

I came across this site and thought I would share with y'all in case you had not yet seen it (the site):

http://www.espinosaproductions.com/development/norte.html

I tried to connect to the museum site, but the URL wasn't any good.

Natalie in VA

What type of Hispanic conferences are you looking for?

There is the annual Texas conference in September, also there is the Legado Latino Conference in Salt Lake in October or November. Also a good place to keep an eye on, is the calender at the "SHHAR" website (aka: Somos Primos).

Jonathan

for those who want to take the class, you need to goto the website www.familyhistoryliveonline.com and do 2 things, first of all subscribe and then download the viewer program. Then install the viewer onto your computer.

Then when the class is taught you need to log into the class about 5 to 10 minutes before it starts. Because the class is on a first come first served basis, with a limit (for right now) of about 15 people.

Jonathan

I just wanted to let everyone know, I will be teaching my class on Sunday Evenings from 7:15pm to 7:45pm (MST). Starting this coming Sunday. And then I will be doing online support (answering questions) 8pm to 11pm, Sunday evenings. For information, you can e-mail me at jonathan@mexicanfhr.com or you can goto www.familyhistoryliveonline.com

Jonathan

The class will be taught weekly, for the next couple months, and if the need arises there will be a second class taught.

Jonathan

Corrine,

I moved this thread over to the research list.

Also I will be looking for the new members to submit their genealogies
by 31 Jan 2007 I'm sure by then you'll have a made great progress in the
group with regards to your Martin del Campo surname, but if nothing else
what you have submitted here would be enough to meet the sending in your
representative tree requirement. So when you are ready you can put the
following into a "Word" document. Make a folder for yourself following
the exact format you will find in the "Files" and "Members Genealogies"
area of the group and enter the Word document. By doing that you will
never have to worry about whether or not your have met the requirement
for membership in the group because it will be done.

As for Martin del Campo sorry I'm not one or from the Los Altos area but
there are many good researchers in the group that are.

joseph

Corrine Ardoin wrote:

>Hello, Everyone and Fellow Martin Del Campo researchers:
>
>
>
>I have begun reading the archival messages (2003, so far) and wanted to add
>to my introduction, now that I have a better idea of the Martin Del Campo
>research being done by other members. The earliest I have goes back to the
>early 1800's in Jalisco. This is from my grandmother, Magdalena Martin Del
>Campo, so I have yet to research this information from her to verify it.
>She is now deceased. What she provided is the following: (I would be very
>interested to know if any other members are related or have additional info
>that dates further back than what I have. I am still trying to catch up to
>what all has already been discussed and have not yet read any of the family
>histories others have contributed on their Martin Del Campo ancestries.)
>
>
>
>TOMAS MARTIN DEL CAMPO was of the Tepatitlan Martin Del Campos.
>
>Married NIEVES MUNOZ AVILES. They resided in Guadalajara.
>
>
>
>Children:
>
>ISMAEL, b. abt. 1853, became a shoemaker
>
>TOMAS, who became a tailor
>
>
>
>ISMAEL MARTIN DEL CAMPO
>
>Married RITA ROBLES RIVERA (I have a copy of their civil marriage record,
>February 3, 1875), daughter of EMIDIO ROBLES and MANUELA RIVERA, who lived
>to be over 100 years old, Rita's brother was JUAN ROBLES and he was married
>to a woman named REFUGIO.
>
>
>
>Children of Ismael and Rita:
>
>ALBERTO MARTIN DEL CAMPO ROBLES, b. abt. 1882, d. July 31, 1941 (I have a
>copy of his death certificate from Guadalajara).
>
>DOLORES "LOLA" MARTIN DEL CAMPO, owned a shoe store on the main plaza in
>Guadalajara, which burned in the Revolution. She died in Los Angeles.
>
>
>
>ALBERTO MARTIN DEL CAMPO ROBLES
>
>Married FRANCISCA CABRAL GONZALEZ, b. abt. 1882 in Guadalajara to BENIGNO
>CABRAL (a sailor from Portugal) and PIOQUINTA GONZALEZ FIGUEROA, (b. 1836,
>d. 1916; born in Madrid, Spain of nobility, had eloped with Benigno to
>Zacatecas from Spain to escape family's disapproval); Francisca died October
>20, 1936 and is buried in the Guadalajara Municipal Cemetery next to her
>husband. I have photos of their headstones. Benigno's and Pioquinta's
>other children were: Daniel, Jose Maria, Refugio, Miguel, Virginia, Juana,
>Luz, then Francisca, and Isabel.
>
>
>
>Children of Alberto and Francisca:
>
>ALBERTO
>
>ROSARIO, later became ROSARIO ROMERO
>
>MAGDALENA, b. May 25, 1907 in Guadalajara, d. February 9, 1988 in Glendale,
>Ca. (my grandmother, who married Jesus Demetrio Frias of Ciudad Guerrero,
>Chihuahua).
>
>JOVETTIA, died in childhood
>
>VICTOR, died in infancy
>
>MARIA LUISA
>
>ALFONSO, died in childhood
>
>MERCEDES
>
>CARMEN
>
>
>
>I hope it is okay to post this information in a message. I have not yet
>verified all of this information yet, other than what I have specifically
>mentioned, so I wanted to wait before I made any official contribution as a
>family history file.
>
>
>
>Thanks to Janet Iglesias for telling me about this wonderful group and
>thanks to Joseph Puentes for welcoming me into the group.
>
>Corrine Ardoin
>