Linda and I have uploaded her genealogy into the searchable GEDCOM database. Her information is also available in her Members' Genealogy folder.
You can view her information by clicking on "GEDCOM" from the main menu and then selecting "Surnames" for a surname listing and selecting her tree "Romero, Linda Ancestors" from the pull down menu labeled "Tree".
Here is the reply I got from my Family History Center manager:
> ps: is that 800 number to the LDS church in SLC available to the
> public? Can I hand it out to the genealogy group i have so they can
Hi,
What type of questions can you ask?
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------
>
> Here is the reply I got from my Family History Center manager:
>
>
> > ps: is that 800 number to the LDS church in SLC available to the
> > public? Can I hand it out to the genealogy group i have so they can
> > contact the "international" desk for occassional questions?
> >
> Yes, anybody is welcome to use it. This might be a newer number:
> 866-406-1830
>
> ==========
>
> If you have specific questions that you can't otherwise find on the
> www.familysearch.org site call the above number and ask for the
> "International" desk or area for Mexico. Please share what you find with
> the group.
>
> joseph
>
>
Thank you for that toll free number. I've been calling Salt Lake City at the regular pay-thru-the-nose land line.
You can ask all kinds of questions. They are very patient, and helpful.
You can ask them to further decribe volumes in their collection, for instance. Sometimes manuscripts are not fully described in the online catalog.
Utah is the most multilingual state in the union because they learn languages to go on their international missions. So they are willing to translate passages for you.
Their librarians specialize in different regions and countries, so you can ask to speak to a specialist for a particular area who might be able to point you in the right direction.
I've had good luck with many respositories, including the Sutro Library in San Francisco. Their genealogical collection is second only to Salt Lake City's.
I'm told there is another major genealogical collection in Indiana.
There was a particular set of books I needed to consult. Salt Lake City had two, or three volumes, and Sutro had two others.
Sutro has gladly read affadavits, and wills in their collection to search for mentions of Petronila Moctezuma for me.
I've held books so old they made me tremble. One set was in the hand of the conquistadores, describing what they found in the Filipinas. It was really creepy because I thought it was bound in human skin. But I was told it was actually pig leather. A very pale, translucent really, flesh-like material.
-
I received the following second message from SLC FHC - It still doesn't
explain why this IGI had only the batch number. I continue to agree with
Rose, that while additions or corrections are in the process of being made,
http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/562769-1.html
Joseph,
Above is a link to a great article on one of your relatives that apparently inherited the Puentes Bros business now headquartered in Salem, Oregon. I tried to copy the article and send it to Ranchos, but you have to register for a password in order to read the entire article (four pages).
When I stayed in a small town in Coahuila as a young teenager, this was the
highlight of pre-determined evenings. We would all dress up, head towards
the plaza with the elders and begin walking (in one direction), while the guys
When I was in Aguascalientes in 1963. I remember
cousins taking us down to the plaza. We sat and watch
the girls going one way and boys walking around the
other way. I had forgotten all about that. Thank you
for bring back that memory for me.
Yolanda
Walking the Jardin in Jerez was a bright spot for my father in 1936 when he was 16 years old. Just like the other towns the girls walked in one direction, the boys in the other with the elders seated around the edges.. My father said a very attractive girl handed him a piece of candy but his grandmother, Nicolasa Reveles dob 1858, saw it happen.. She got up took the candy away and said this girl had a habit of taking the candy to the local bruja and having a spell cast on it. She told my father if he ate it he'd end up marrying her and having to take her back to California.. Needless to say my father did not eat the candy.
Another way of courtship was leaving notes at specified places on the river bank or under a loose adobe brick in the wall around their house. In El Durazno almost everyone had an adobe wall around their home in 1936 and still today. My grandfathers sister, Paula Castanon born in 1896 said when she turned 12 years old her father added extra rows to the adobe wall so the boys could not look at her when she sat outside to dry her hair. She courted her future husband with notes in the adobe wall marrying at age 18, she was the only daughter and her father did not want her to go. When I visited Jerez 3 years ago in March the Jardin was gated and locked because it was being painted for the fiesta the following month so we didn't get to see the custom which is still followed. El Durazno is abt 5 miles from Jerez, the custom was when the bride and groom returned from getting married in Jerez the people from Durazno waited at the river under what they called the marriage tree,
from that point the people complete with mariachi's made a procession back to town for the wedding fiesta at the brides parents home.
Linda
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Mexican women also immigated to China to marry Chinese men.
At least that was the story my mother told me. She said the prospective brides were led to believe they would live a certain way, but that many wound up as concubines, or worse.
There was a large wave of Chinese and Japanese immigration into Mexico at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. In fact, the first border controls between the US and Mexico were put in place only in 1892 and then it was basically one guy in El Paso named Leonidas Giles that comprised the border patrol.
When the U.S. government realized that a lot of the people crossing the Mexico-U.S. border where actually Chinese and not Mexican, they tightened up inspection along the southern border. This was around 1901 and was the first time there were real controls on the Mexico-U.S. border and then only to keep out the Chinese, not the Mexicans.
Arturo, sounds like the Chinese were even more feared and discriminated against than the Mexicans! When I was in Manzanillo in 2003 I went into a mercantile store and owners were Chinese speaking Spanish. I have to assume there were other Chinese heritage families to keep their lines still appearing Chinese. I asked if they had been born in Mexico and they said their family had been in Mexico as long as they could remember. I had forgotten about them until this discussion.
In El Durazno, Jerez Zacatecas I remember my father saying when he visited in 1936 they asked him about "colored" people, if they really were black? These were people not traveled or educated and who had no idea the history of the peoples of Jerez or Zacatecas in general. Slavery in Mexico was something they knew nothing about. Their world revolved around subsisting in their immediate community in those days. They were still in the survival mode and to this day still discuss the revolution that broke up their community and scattered their families. Now they have children and grandchildren living stateside so the world is much larger to them now. I found listening to the seniors in their 80's and 90's was the highlight of my visit there. I found the families there still very clannish. We attended a De la Cueva wedding and the comment was made the bride's family was new to El Durazno, they had only been there 50 years. The old ways still prevailed, the groom was 37
living stateside and the bride was 18 living at home in El Durazno. He had to prove he could provide for her before her parents would consent to the wedding. Some things take a long time to change...
Linda in B.C.
Arturo Ramos wrote:
Emilie:
There was a large wave of Chinese and Japanese immigration into Mexico at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. In fact, the first border controls between the US and Mexico were put in place only in 1892 and then it was basically one guy in El Paso named Leonidas Giles that comprised the border patrol.
When the U.S. government realized that a lot of the people crossing the Mexico-U.S. border where actually Chinese and not Mexican, they tightened up inspection along the southern border. This was around 1901 and was the first time there were real controls on the Mexico-U.S. border and then only to keep out the Chinese, not the Mexicans.
In reference to the Chinese in Mexico.
In 1890 a hotel and restaurant was open in Torreon, Coahuila by a man by the
name of Foon Chuck. This man immigrated to Tamaulipas where he had a
hacienda called the "Hacienda Canton".
The Chinese were thrown out of the US. These Chinese went to Mexicali,
Guaymas, Mazatlan, Chihuahua and Tampico to name a few. They went to work in
the haciendas and the railroad.
By the 1910's many Chinese had married mexican women. In 1925 a law was
passed prohibiting mexican women marrying Chinese men.
There is a great story about the Chinese and Torreon, very interesting!
Mickey
I have just posted a picture of a church in the Albums/Ranchos y Ciudades/Nochistlan, Zacatecas section. I received this photo from a primo about a year ago and have since lost contact with him. Does anyone recognize this church, and/or know it's name. According to my primo this is where my great-grandparents, Victo Jauregui and Petra Huerta, were married in Nochistlan, Zac.
Olivia
The church in the photo you posted is La Capilla de Guadalupe. It is a few blocks south from the center of town - where the Jardin de Morelos, La Presidencia (city hall), the Parian and San Francisco Church.
Nochistlan maintains its own website, it is: www.nochistlan.gob.mx
At this website you will find old photos of modern day and old photos of life in Nochistlan. Enjoy
Enrique
Enrique, thank you so much for this information. I really appreciated it.
Olivia
enriquelegaspi wrote:
Olivia
The church in the photo you posted is La Capilla de Guadalupe. It is a few blocks south from the center of town - where the Jardin de Morelos, La Presidencia (city hall), the Parian and San Francisco Church.
Nochistlan maintains its own website, it is: www.nochistlan.gob.mx
At this website you will find old photos of modern day and old photos of life in Nochistlan. Enjoy
Enrique
Malaga, Spain, Tino and I vacationed there years ago, just down from
> Torremolinos. It's a beautiful area of Spain. I don't recall
> Benalmadena,
> nor the feria being mentioned. We were there August 1989.
Alicia,
Thank you for the website for Benalmadena. I didn't remember it, but after
looking at a map, we had to have passed it on our way to and from the resort
where we stayed. La Orquidea is located in Calahonda, down the "road," from
Benalmadena.
Loved your story about the Fiesta de San Agustin, and the traditional
courtship practices. Reminded me of what we heard about the Zocalo in
Mexico City, by day the laborers gathered with their tool boxes, and signs,
waiting to be hired for "odd jobs," and by evening, the Zocalo became the
social hub, with old and young gathering. In the "fast pace," of life that
we now experience, it's refreshing to know that some traditions continue
on...
Pat
> Pat and Nuestros Ranchos;
>
> Here is the link to the Benalmadena calendar of events of Malaga España in
> case anyone is interested.
> http://www.andalucia.com/calendar/benalmadena.htm
>
> It makes me want to hop on a plane to one of these festivals.
>
> The month of June reminds me of la Fiesta de San Agustin in my pueblo of
> Tlachichila Zacatecas. During the two week celebration every night the
> singles in the town gather in the evenings around La Plaza. The females
> walk or strut around the courtyard in one direction to the tune of the
> music and the males march in the opposite direction also around the
> courtyard or plaza. The males come prepared with fresh flowers and when
> they see a female that particularly catches their eye they will hand her a
> flower as they pass, this is how she knows that he is interested in her.
> If at the next passing she is interested in him she will accept another
> flower, otherwise she will just pass him by. If he is very intersted and
> she does not respond and if he's persistent, he will begin to throw
> flowers in her direction. Mom and dad used to talk about this and I did
> not really believe it was still going on. Guess what? It is and it is a
> beautiful but provincial ritual or tradition.
>
> Alicia
The tradition of going to the "jardin" as decribed below, with the young men and women walking around in oppositve direction to face each other is "alive and well" in Nochistlan and most small towns in Mexico. I've had the fortune to do it as a kid and teenager in Nochistlan, Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes - a really big town! I was in old Mazatlan two years ago. At the Plazuela, I was delighted to find that they did it too!
Gardenias, carnations, confetti and "serpentinas"are used to demonstrate your attraction to the lady. If she is interested in having the company to "platicar" - old fashion, traditional chat, with a chaperone of course! One gets to walk with her.
papagaia2 wrote:
Alicia,
Thank you for the website for Benalmadena. I didn't remember it, but after
looking at a map, we had to have passed it on our way to and from the resort
where we stayed. La Orquidea is located in Calahonda, down the "road," from
Benalmadena.
Loved your story about the Fiesta de San Agustin, and the traditional
courtship practices. Reminded me of what we heard about the Zocalo in
Mexico City, by day the laborers gathered with their tool boxes, and signs,
waiting to be hired for "odd jobs," and by evening, the Zocalo became the
social hub, with old and young gathering. In the "fast pace," of life that
we now experience, it's refreshing to know that some traditions continue
on...
Pat
> Pat and Nuestros Ranchos;
>
> Here is the link to the Benalmadena calendar of events of Malaga España in
> case anyone is interested.
> http://www.andalucia.com/calendar/benalmadena.htm
>
> It makes me want to hop on a plane to one of these festivals.
>
> The month of June reminds me of la Fiesta de San Agustin in my pueblo of
> Tlachichila Zacatecas. During the two week celebration every night the
> singles in the town gather in the evenings around La Plaza. The females
> walk or strut around the courtyard in one direction to the tune of the
> music and the males march in the opposite direction also around the
> courtyard or plaza. The males come prepared with fresh flowers and when
> they see a female that particularly catches their eye they will hand her a
> flower as they pass, this is how she knows that he is interested in her.
> If at the next passing she is interested in him she will accept another
> flower, otherwise she will just pass him by. If he is very intersted and
> she does not respond and if he's persistent, he will begin to throw
> flowers in her direction. Mom and dad used to talk about this and I did
> not really believe it was still going on. Guess what? It is and it is a
> beautiful but provincial ritual or tradition.
>
> Alicia
Barron certainly appears to be a common name in Mexico for some time so the England story is suspect.
Here are a couple of IGI listings that look somewhat interesting as far as Rosario's parents though neither is an exact match. I suppose Rosario died to early to be listed in the Social Security death index. Do you have any idea which border crossing he would have used to come to the U.S.?
Arturo,
I checked this record out, and it looks promising. Prisciliana's age of 20
in 1879 and 60 on the 1920 Fed. Census fits.
Thank You,
Pat
HILARIO BARRON
Marriages:
Spouse: PRISCILIANA FERNANDEZ
Marriage: 16 OCT 1879
Nuestra Senora Del Refugio, Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas, Mexico
Husband Age at Marriage: 35
Wife Age at Marriage: 20
Batch M601749 Film 0639882
Arturo,
Thank you for the IGI listings, I'll check them out. I found the info on
Macaria Perales on LDS - IGI Batch I048833 for Jesus, Zacatecas, Zacatecas.
No dates/film # was noted for that batch number.
My son-in-law's father from North Carolina will be visiting next week...
hopefully between the two of us, we'll be able to extend the Barron line/s.
I pretty much thought the same about the England theory, but one never
knows. I have traced the paternal paternal line back to Scotland, it's
possible that the verbal history was referring to that side of the family
and not the Mexican paternal maternal lines.
Pat
Pat,
below you refer to Batch I048833 usually batch numbers start with C's or
J's or K's where did you find this?
joseph
papagaia2 wrote:
>Arturo,
>Thank you for the IGI listings, I'll check them out. I found the info on
>Macaria Perales on LDS - IGI Batch I048833 for Jesus, Zacatecas, Zacatecas.
>No dates/film # was noted for that batch number.
>
>
Joseph, when I did an IGI search for Macaria Perales, this record came up:
Macaira Perales, Christening: 24 Mar 1889
Jesus, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Parents:
Father: Luis Perales
Mother: Victoriana Rodriguez
Source Information: Batch No. I048833 (alpha letter I, not number 1) no
dates nor film number listed... though under type: Film is noted.
Pat
this is very interesting. I wonder what its about. Maybe worth making a
call to SLC and asking at the international desk
I don't have the phone number handy does anyone on the list have the
toll free phone number to SLC Family History Library? Or you can go to
the familysearch.org site and at the bottom there is a "contact" URL.
You have to be a registered user (easy to do) but they do answer
questions sent in.
joseph
papagaia2 wrote:
>Joseph, when I did an IGI search for Macaria Perales, this record came up:
> Macaira Perales, Christening: 24 Mar 1889
>Jesus, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.
> Parents:
>Father: Luis Perales
>Mother: Victoriana Rodriguez
>Source Information: Batch No. I048833 (alpha letter I, not number 1) no
>dates nor film number listed... though under type: Film is noted.
>
>Pat
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joseph Puentes"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:50 AM
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat's Batch ???
>
>
>
>
>>Pat,
>>
>>below you refer to Batch I048833 usually batch numbers start with C's or
>>J's or K's where did you find this?
>>
>>joseph
>>
>>
>>
>
>
When I have come across batch numbers with no film or dates, it generally
means they are in the process of entering new information into the IGI.
Sometimes the old batch numbers on microfiche have been altered. For example
the film number could be C123456, but as SLC is entering the new information
into the IGI they could change it to J123456 or K123456 and vise versa. I
have played with batch numbers over the years from the microfiche and have
been surprised.
Rose
>From: Joseph Puentes
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat's Batch ???
>Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:56:11 -0500
>
>this is very interesting. I wonder what its about. Maybe worth making a
>call to SLC and asking at the international desk
>
>I don't have the phone number handy does anyone on the list have the
>toll free phone number to SLC Family History Library? Or you can go to
>the familysearch.org site and at the bottom there is a "contact" URL.
>You have to be a registered user (easy to do) but they do answer
>questions sent in.
>
>joseph
>
>
>papagaia2 wrote:
>
> >Joseph, when I did an IGI search for Macaria Perales, this record came
>up:
> > Macaira Perales, Christening: 24 Mar 1889
> >Jesus, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.
> > Parents:
> >Father: Luis Perales
> >Mother: Victoriana Rodriguez
> >Source Information: Batch No. I048833 (alpha letter I, not number 1) no
> >dates nor film number listed... though under type: Film is noted.
> >
> >Pat
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joseph Puentes"
> >To:
> >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:50 AM
> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat's Batch ???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Pat,
> >>
> >>below you refer to Batch I048833 usually batch numbers start with C's or
> >>J's or K's where did you find this?
> >>
> >>joseph
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
I sent an e-mail to SLC FHC, their reply is posted below. Rose, I agree
with what you wrote, since all the entries for this batch are for females
for the years 1888; 1889 and 1890.
The film number that was mentioned is not in the film number series for
Jesus Parish. I thought that maybe the 248201 number was a typo. There's a
245201 listed, wonder what's on that film... I'll post their reply to my
second e-mail, requesting additional information for the 248xxx film
series...Pat
Dear Particia,
The film number is 248201. It is a microfilm of the record "Registros
parroquiales, 1881-1933 Iglesia Católica. Jesús (Zacatecas, Zacatecas)".
Registers of baptisms, marriages and deaths from Jesús Parish in the city of
Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. You can order it at a family history center
for a nominal fee and then view it at the center when it arrives Each
center has unique hours of operation, so be sure to telephone your local
center for their scheduled hours before you visit. There are three ways to
find the nearest family history center:
- See our web site at www.familysearch.org and type in your locality in the
field labeled "Find a Family History Center Near Your Home".
- Telephone us at 1-800-346-6044
- Check your local telephone directory under the name "The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints."
We hope this information is helpful and wish you success in your research.
Sincerely,
Family History Research Support
familyhistory@support.familysearch.org
FCH/dld
Long before I became interested in genealogy, I was aware of family lore
that there was a Chinese ancestor in my maternal family. In the 1980s I
determined to resolve the issue. As such, I visited the FHC in Yuma, AZ and
My son-in-law's paternal maternal great-grandfather, Rosario Barron (Paura) worked the Quik Silver Mines in what was known as the Redwood Township Almaden Precinct of Santa Clara Co. CA. in the 1920s.
Pat,
I presently live in the Almaden Valley which was named by the Spanish settlers and about 2 miles from where I live is what is now called New Almaden. It was named new Almaden after the original Almaden in España. There is a Feria de Benalmadena in Malaga España and takes place from June 24 thru the 31st.
The spaniards were brought here to work in the quicksilver mines. We are surrounded by many creeks, dams and hills. Loma Prieta is on the southwest side and the Santa Teresa Hills on the southeast side. Loma Prieta is where the quake of 1989 was centered, quake of "89" is the earthquake where everyone saw the car that dropped off into the collapsed portion of the bay bridge.
In these creeks and dams fishing for food consumption is still banned due to possible mercury or quicksilver water contamination as a result of the mining.
Alicia
To all of you Californios:
It is interesting for me to read your reminisces about old times. I am
founder and former director of a Latino museum in Denver, Colorado and
really appreciate reading about your individual histories. We all need to
preserve those stories and, of course, our genealogies for future
generations.
I can relate in a limited way to your stories. My brother, Al Aguayo, was
superintendant of the Alum Rock School District in the early 1990s, I
believe. My oldest daughter was a graduate student at the University of
California at Santa Cruz in 1989. When the earthquake occurred, she tried
to apply what little disaster training she had learned in Colorado. Here we
have tornados and we are told to get under a piece of heavy furniture or
under a door frame for safety. She told us that she tried to stand under a
door frame on the campus but the door frame kept moving! Keep the
interesting stories coming. I enjoy them.
Jose Aguayo
Alicia,
I remember New Almaden. We used to go to dinner at the French restaurant there, and I loved going to the little museum there. I grew up with many of the descendants of the early Californios: the Bernals, Fatjos, Chaboyas, etc. There were stories of haunted places there and I always would get an eerie feeling looking over the hills where the quicksilver mines were. They said that Joaquin Murrieta would hide out there. They said that if you dug around the foundation of one of the older homes you could hear a baby cry, etc. It would be interesting to see where these Californio families originated in Mexico. When I used to talk to the descendants about their family history, they did not seem interested in the genealogy, but they did know they were 8th generation Spanish Californians, which towns, etc their ancestors had founded, but they didn't know where in Mexico they originated. They probably thought they were Spanish and not formerly Mexicans. To them, they were early Spanish pioneers, and several had married into the early American settlers' families and were members of Sons and Daughters of the Golden West societies.
Emilie
What a small world, My parents owned the Warburton's Tamales and Enchilada Shop in Santa Clara and bought about 500 tortillas weekly from Puentes Bros. They used to make their own tortillas while the shop was in Santa Clara, but when they bought a restaurant in Mountain View, they took to buying their tortillas from Puentes Bros. That would have been the mid 50s. I just talked to my Mom and she remembers either your Mother or Aunt's birthday being on St. Patrick's Day. My brother took over the Tamale business in the early 80's and I am not sure where he was buying the tortillas then. Warburton's is now closed but my twin and I still get together and make the tamales and enchiladas. To celebrate the business's 100th anniversary, in 2004, Mom gave out the recipe to all our cousins. My parents were Bud and Aileen Chiono in case your family remembers them.
Wow that makes a bunch of us that could have crossed paths as children:
Me, Alicia, Emilie, John, Kitty. I was notorious for biting when I was a
little kid. . .good thing we might have not been friends back then or
you might have grown up to hate me. (not that I was mean I just think I
was curious about how people tasted).
I just sent out an email to a cousin asking her to ask my 90 year old
uncle Manuel Puentes if he remembers the Chiono family. His memory is
not what it used to be so we'll see.
the migration went like this:
The Puente(s) family started back in Zacatecas, Zacatecas back in 1749
and went to Sombrerete, Zac. and then to ranchos close to Villanueva,
Zac and then to ranchos close to Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco
where they hung for several generations before starting their migration
with the Diaz family to Chihuahua. Then my grandfather Julio and his
brother Concepcion made it into the US working in mines in and around
Globe and Miami Arizona right around 1911 while the main group of family
was in the Chihuahua, Chihuahua area or maybe in Santa Barbara,
Chihuahua. Then as Julio my grandfather was going back home he somehow
found out that Virginia Diaz and family were in El Paso and he never
again went back to Mexico. He stayed with them and eventually married
Virginia. They moved to the Limonera Ranch in Santa Paula where they
worked and started a family. They eventually bought a little
bar/restaurant and then in the late 40's early 50's started Puentes
Bros. Tortillas in SJ, CA The store wasn't orginally on 10th but I think
somewhere on Almaden (not positive).
My dad was the first to go dying Oct. 5, 1974 and then we found out that
the brothers were good at starting a business but not at sustaining a
business. They basically has it set up so that the last surviving
brother would "take all." So my mom was left with an insufficient
insurnace policy settlement that didn't last until she passed in 1992.
I was born in 1953 and moved from CA in 1979 and lived in MD until 1998.
My wife Figen and I married in 1995 (no children) and we moved to our
current location very close to Durham, NC where I'm a Postal Worker for
the Durham Post Office.
if you look here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14718 you'll see
what the Puentes Bros Tortilla package used to look like. On the back
are 6 guys that were the 6 brothers. The guy sitting peeling husks with
glasses was my Dad, Antonio Puentes dob: 1914 Santa Paula, CA.
joseph
kitty_cortez wrote:
>What a small world, My parents owned the Warburton's Tamales and Enchilada Shop in Santa Clara and bought about 500 tortillas weekly from Puentes Bros. They used to make their own tortillas while the shop was in Santa Clara, but when they bought a restaurant in Mountain View, they took to buying their tortillas from Puentes Bros. That would have been the mid 50s. I just talked to my Mom and she remembers either your Mother or Aunt's birthday being on St. Patrick's Day. My brother took over the Tamale business in the early 80's and I am not sure where he was buying the tortillas then. Warburton's is now closed but my twin and I still get together and make the tamales and enchiladas. To celebrate the business's 100th anniversary, in 2004, Mom gave out the recipe to all our cousins. My parents were Bud and Aileen Chiono in case your family remembers them.
>
>Kitty Chiono Cortez
>Rocklin, CA
>
>
>
>
A couple of people have asked me about Indian kidnappings, and life on the unsettled frontier in general.
Of course, I don't mean to demonize the Indians who were only protecting their families, homes, and land. But the story is almost always told from the European perspective.
Not a real big deal now but lets try to keep the messages on the right
lists:
for things directly related to research use: research@nuestrosranchos.org
for things of a general nature use: general@nuestrosranchos.org
I have just posted a picture of a church in the Albums/Ranchos y Ciudades/Nochistlan, Zacatecas section. I received this photo from a primo about a year ago and have since lost contact with him. Does anyone recognize this church, and/or know it's name. According to my primo this is where my great-grandparents, Victo Jauregui and Petra Huerta, were married in Nochistlan, Zac.
Joseph,
I had been meaning to ask you about that picture of the men in front of the "Puentes Bros" store.
My husband and I were brought from the Southwest to San Jose as children right after WWII (he from El Paso, age 12, and me from New Mexico's Mesilla Valley, age 8). We lived there, went to school (St. Joseph's, Washington Elementary, Wilson Jr. High, SJ High, SJCC, SJSU), worked there, and retired there before moving up to the Northwest in 1996. Our families in San Jose always bought the corn tortillas at Puentes Bros. since Safeway didn't sell any Mexican products, and I remember my mother would pick up the masa, chiles, etc. for tamales there too.
There have been quite a few new members that have joined the list since
we moved to the new site.
If you haven't had a chance yet please do introduce your self on the
Research list: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Hi, My name is Patricia (Pat) Silva Corbera. I'm not new to genealogy research, spending over 10 years researching my Portuguese roots from the Island of Madeira. It's now time to devote that same "energy," to my husband's "family tree." I look forward in sharing and learning from members of this group.
Visit my webpage, scan down and click on "Casita Corbera," www.geocities.com/papagaia2, to learn a little more about our Corbera family.
Areas and Surnames
El Sagrario, Aguascalientes - surname Andrade
Rancho de Los Pintos Parroquia de Momax, Zacatecas
Surnames - Corbera/Corvera/Serrano/Salamanca/Gonzalez
Rancho de La Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas
Surnames - Perez/Aguirre/Andrade/Delgadillo/Lopez/Contreras/Plasencia/
Pat, you got my attention! Andrade from Aguascalientes, are they part of the family I posted on the Nuestros site?
Linda in Everett
Patricia Silva Corbera wrote:
Hi, My name is Patricia (Pat) Silva Corbera. I'm not new to genealogy research, spending over 10 years researching my Portuguese roots from the Island of Madeira. It's now time to devote that same "energy," to my husband's "family tree." I look forward in sharing and learning from members of this group.
Visit my webpage, scan down and click on "Casita Corbera," www.geocities.com/papagaia2, to learn a little more about our Corbera family.
Areas and Surnames
El Sagrario, Aguascalientes - surname Andrade
Rancho de Los Pintos Parroquia de Momax, Zacatecas
Surnames - Corbera/Corvera/Serrano/Salamanca/Gonzalez
Rancho de La Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas
Surnames - Perez/Aguirre/Andrade/Delgadillo/Lopez/Contreras/Plasencia/
Hi Erlinda,
This is what I have so far -
Juan is my husband's 3rd ggfather:
Juan Andrade b. abt 1772 m. 23 Jan 1793 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, to Maria Feliciana Lopez b. abt 1775
parents of
Jose Apolonio Andrade bapt 10 June 1808 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes d. bef May 1873 married to Maria Demetria Delgadillo on 13 May 1829 Nochistlan, Zacatecas
parents of
Juan Nepomuceno Andrade bapt 24 May 1835 Nochistlan, Zac. married Maria Senovia Aguirre on 22 May 1873 Nochistlan (Maria's 1st. marriage to Tereso Goncales 18 Feb 1863; he died 1869 ) Juan and Maria -
parents of
Maria Hilaria Andrade (aka Andrea Perez) b. 15 Jan 1875 Nochistlan, Zac
parents of
Maria Rufugio Perez b. 04 July 1903 Nochistlan, m. 28 Apr 1924 Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA to Florentino Corbera b. 15 April 1894 Momax, Zac (my husband's parents)
Pat Silva Corbera
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Pat, you got my attention! Andrade from Aguascalientes, are they part of the family I posted on the Nuestros site?
Linda in Everett
Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
Hi, My name is Patricia (Pat) Silva Corbera. I'm not new to genealogy research, spending over 10 years researching my Portuguese roots from the Island of Madeira. It's now time to devote that same "energy," to my husband's "family tree." I look forward in sharing and learning from members of this group.
Visit my webpage, scan down and click on "Casita Corbera," www.geocities.com/papagaia2, to learn a little more about our Corbera family.
Areas and Surnames
El Sagrario, Aguascalientes - surname Andrade
Rancho de Los Pintos Parroquia de Momax, Zacatecas
Surnames - Corbera/Corvera/Serrano/Salamanca/Gonzalez
Rancho de La Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas
Surnames - Perez/Aguirre/Andrade/Delgadillo/Lopez/Contreras/Plasencia/
Pat, my apologies, I got so excited about seeing Andrade from Aguascalientes I forgot my manners,you are very welcome to the group. I checked out your site, what a wonderful job you've done
It's a very small world since my cousin, Maria Cuevas (De la Cueva) who married Luis Andrade is from Dinuba Ca..Her parents were Donaciano Cuevas (De la Cueva and Paula Castanon, my grandfathers sister, they settled in Dinuba in 1920 and were farmers. All my Andrade research has been done online so my information is very limited, during the same time span I have Luciano Andrade, abt 1810 married to Antonia Montes married 1835 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Unfortunately I won't be able to research this line until Nov since I will be in a location in Canada with no history center until then.. I look forward to comparing records and information in the future with you..
thank you for responding,
Linda in Everett
Patricia Corbera wrote: Hi Erlinda,
This is what I have so far -
Juan is my husband's 3rd ggfather:
Juan Andrade b. abt 1772 m. 23 Jan 1793 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, to Maria Feliciana Lopez b. abt 1775
parents of
Jose Apolonio Andrade bapt 10 June 1808 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes d. bef May 1873 married to Maria Demetria Delgadillo on 13 May 1829 Nochistlan, Zacatecas
parents of
Juan Nepomuceno Andrade bapt 24 May 1835 Nochistlan, Zac. married Maria Senovia Aguirre on 22 May 1873 Nochistlan (Maria's 1st. marriage to Tereso Goncales 18 Feb 1863; he died 1869 ) Juan and Maria -
parents of
Maria Hilaria Andrade (aka Andrea Perez) b. 15 Jan 1875 Nochistlan, Zac
parents of
Maria Rufugio Perez b. 04 July 1903 Nochistlan, m. 28 Apr 1924 Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA to Florentino Corbera b. 15 April 1894 Momax, Zac (my husband's parents)
Pat Silva Corbera
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Pat, you got my attention! Andrade from Aguascalientes, are they part of the family I posted on the Nuestros site?
Linda in Everett
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Linda, this is wonderful... My husband and his sister thought that their parents were married in Mexico, so what a surprise when they learned about Dinuba. I was going through vital records that my sister-in-law had, when I came across my in-law's marriage record. I didn't know where Dinuba was located, had to look it up on a map.
Researching my husband's roots has been difficult for me. It took years before I felt comfortable reading the Portuguese vital records. I do not speak nor write, but understand the spoken Portuguese language. I fumble through the vital records of Mexico checking almost every word with my handy Spanish/English Dictionary.
Thank you for the kind words about my website. It's a labor of love. Yesterday when I came across the NuestrosRanchos website, it rekindled my interest in continuing with researching Tino's Hispanic roots. I'm so pleased that finally there's a site that I can learn, plus share what I have in order to link with family members. A great deal of what I have on the Perez line came from a very helpful online friend, Deena Ortiz. We have a local FHC here, and I have ordered film, but it's been a while ago. Pat
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Pat, my apologies, I got so excited about seeing Andrade from Aguascalientes I forgot my manners,you are very welcome to the group. I checked out your site, what a wonderful job you've done
It's a very small world since my cousin, Maria Cuevas (De la Cueva) who married Luis Andrade is from Dinuba Ca..Her parents were Donaciano Cuevas (De la Cueva and Paula Castanon, my grandfathers sister, they settled in Dinuba in 1920 and were farmers. All my Andrade research has been done online so my information is very limited, during the same time span I have Luciano Andrade, abt 1810 married to Antonia Montes married 1835 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Unfortunately I won't be able to research this line until Nov since I will be in a location in Canada with no history center until then.. I look forward to comparing records and information in the future with you..
thank you for responding,
Linda in Everett
Patricia Corbera
wrote: Hi Erlinda,
This is what I have so far -
Juan is my husband's 3rd ggfather:
Juan Andrade b. abt 1772 m. 23 Jan 1793 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, to Maria Feliciana Lopez b. abt 1775
parents of
Jose Apolonio Andrade bapt 10 June 1808 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes d. bef May 1873 married to Maria Demetria Delgadillo on 13 May 1829 Nochistlan, Zacatecas
parents of
Juan Nepomuceno Andrade bapt 24 May 1835 Nochistlan, Zac. married Maria Senovia Aguirre on 22 May 1873 Nochistlan (Maria's 1st. marriage to Tereso Goncales 18 Feb 1863; he died 1869 ) Juan and Maria -
parents of
Maria Hilaria Andrade (aka Andrea Perez) b. 15 Jan 1875 Nochistlan, Zac
parents of
Maria Rufugio Perez b. 04 July 1903 Nochistlan, m. 28 Apr 1924 Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA to Florentino Corbera b. 15 April 1894 Momax, Zac (my husband's parents)
Pat Silva Corbera
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Pat, you got my attention! Andrade from Aguascalientes, are they part of the family I posted on the Nuestros site?
Linda in Everett
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I had the 12 marker DNA done by my Uncle Louis Gutierrez, my mothers brother, who was born in Tamazula Jalisco in 1924 but the genealogy has the Gutierrez family in Chilchota Michocan in the mid 1600's to 1780 or so when they migrated to Jalisco. To my surprise the results came back Haplogroup N. Group N comes from China and Mongolia then into Siberia... My mother was one of 8 children who all were very fair skinned but do all have small slanted eyes. As a child my mother was teased about her blue "Chinese eyes." and my cousin who is an art instructor is always greeted by Asians as one of their own.. he said he believed the Gutierrez DNA would prove he had Asian blood... he's the only one not surprised by the results.. The other thing that surprised me was that in looking through Gary Felix's site there were no other Haplogroup N participants.. that dissappointed me. I had shared earlier that my MTDNA was Haplogroup A which I thought explained our families slanted eyes...
just thought I'd share, Linda
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Linda:
This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.
The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.
Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/con…
The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as "Chinos." 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20
Arturo, thank you so much for taking the time to share the article and your thoughts. My ethnic world, knowledge and curiosity expands daily on this genealogy site! Asians in Mexico before 1650 never even entered my thoughts..
Like Ernie I'm beginning to feel like a child of the world not limited by borders or surnames.. how wonderful! I haven't had my Castanon DNA done yet but nothing will surprise me now. I thought the biggest surprise for me and my family was when I found Mulato ancestors but Asian is even a bigger surprise.. I was also surprised that I didn't find anyone else with Haplogroup N in Gary Felix's site.. Nice to be the first.
Linda in B.C.
arturoramos wrote:
Linda:
This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.
The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.
Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/con…
The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as "Chinos." 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20
Arturo,
I'm not sure where or if I'm supposed to post my Gutierrez YDNA but these are the numbers:
FTDNA Haplogroup
Haplogroup
Tests
N
-
Your Haplogroup has not been determined by a specific test. Use the Haplogroup link on the left to find out about it, and if we were able to predict it.
FTDNA DYS markers
We provide the actual scientific Allele values and DYS #'s for your results unless the markers were discovered at the University of Arizona and do not have a publication schedule. When that situation occurs we provide your results in "scores" to allow us to use the marker without compromising the discoverer until publication dates have been established.
We are pleased to report your results below:
Understanding your results.
Locus
DYS#
Alleles
1
393
14
2
390
23
3
19*
14
4
391
11
5
385a
11
6
385b
14
7
426
11
8
388
12
9
439
10
10
389-1
14
11
392
14
12
389-2
30
*Also known as DYS 394
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Arturo,
I find this very interesting, and I was wondering what my father was talking about concerning "chinos" in Mexico. When I was in high school and college I would invite Filipino and Chinese fellow students (young men) that approached me to our home. I think they thought I was Asian at first. My father later said, "what is wrong with you, bringing these Filipinos and Chinos here?" I told him I found them interesting, intelligent, and that we were interested in each others' ethnicity, etc. Then I asked him why he didn't like them, and he said, "Because they came to Mexico and started marrying our women". (My father was very provincial in his thinking despite having lived in the US since he was 10 years old in 1913). Was there a period of Asian immigration to Mexico around the turn of the 20th century that he would have heard about? He only lived in Jerez for 10 years, from his year of birth to 1913.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
Patricia,
Welcome to the group, I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do. I have met some wonderful people that have become very good friends.
You said you have been researching your Portuguese roots for 10 years, do you have any ancestors with the surname of Abelar or Avelar? Avelar is my maiden name and every Avelar I have encountered that is not a known member of my family has been Portuguese. I live and worked in Silicon Valley and came into contact with many Portuguese people with this surname.
Now to your husband's ancestry, you list his areas of research as "La Jabonera" in Nochistlan Zac. I have a book on loan which is titled, "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. Much of the history and geneaology within this book is from Rancho La Jabonera, most of the focus is on "Duran" but like all Geneaology it branches off to many other surnames.
How much research have you done to date on your husband's family. I have probably around 2,000 plus entries in my database and who knows, we may have some connections.The only surname that we have in common is Aguirre which is on my husband's side. The surnames of Perez, Delgadillo and Lopez are indirect family ties.
I look forward to hearing from you Patricia.
Saludos,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos de Carrillo
Alicia, thank you for the "warm welcome." I don't have Avelars in my family, my husband's, 6th ggfather, was a Luis de Avalos b. abt 1697 Mexico; died bef 1750 m. to Maria Perez daughter of Nicolas Mexia Estrada and Mariana Isla Sandobal. Maria and Luis were the parents of Maria Teresa de Avalos, not sure if this is just one of those spelling variations of a surname that so often is found. We're almost neighbors, I live in Tracy. The publication that you noted, Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas, "on loan," from a local library? Tino (my husband) has Duran ancestors from Nochistlan. I would love to see that book. His maternal ancestry resided in Nochistlan for over 300 yrs. It's his paternal line of Corbera that proven to be difficult for me. I only have about 300 in my computer for his family, but there's a lot of siblings that I didn't add. I bet with your Portuguese ancestry you and I probably are related. I just recently
had my mtDNA tested, and I'm in the process of talking my husband into getting his mtDNA and yDNA tested. How exciting it would be to find a common ancestor in Tino's lines with you or your husband. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
Welcome to the group, I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do. I have met some wonderful people that have become very good friends.
You said you have been researching your Portuguese roots for 10 years, do you have any ancestors with the surname of Abelar or Avelar? Avelar is my maiden name and every Avelar I have encountered that is not a known member of my family has been Portuguese. I live and worked in Silicon Valley and came into contact with many Portuguese people with this surname.
Now to your husband's ancestry, you list his areas of research as "La Jabonera" in Nochistlan Zac. I have a book on loan which is titled, "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. Much of the history and geneaology within this book is from Rancho La Jabonera, most of the focus is on "Duran" but like all Geneaology it branches off to many other surnames.
How much research have you done to date on your husband's family. I have probably around 2,000 plus entries in my database and who knows, we may have some connections.The only surname that we have in common is Aguirre which is on my husband's side. The surnames of Perez, Delgadillo and Lopez are indirect family ties.
I look forward to hearing from you Patricia.
Saludos,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos de Carrillo
Patricia,
As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
Saludos,
Alicia
Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
Sincerely,
Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
Saludos,
Alicia
Alicia,
From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
to be continued
Pat
Patricia Corbera wrote:
Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
Sincerely,
Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
Saludos,
Alicia
Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there's a lot that I need to learn about my husband's ancestry, but I'm more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years....This meeting in Brentwood California?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera wrote:
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there's a lot that I need to learn about my husband's ancestry, but I'm more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Hello Enrique: Yes, this meeting will be held in Brentwood, CA, in Contra Costa County. If you are interested in meeting this awesome group of researchers, we can put you in touch with Maria Cortes, the awesome organizer.
Members will be attending from the Sacramento, and San Jose areas also, from a few hamlets in-between. Hope you can join us. Helyn
enrique legaspi wrote:
I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years....This meeting in Brentwood California?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there's a lot that I need to learn about my husband's ancestry, but I'm more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Alicia,
>
> From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>
> Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>
> Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>
1) log in
2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description
3) go to "create content"
4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format
5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives
6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"
7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process
9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
step for you and then #'s 5-8]
hope this wasn't too confusing,
joseph
>
> to be continued
> Pat
>
>Patricia Corbera wrote:
> Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>Sincerely,
>Pat
>
>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>Patricia,
>
>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>
>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>
>Saludos,
>Alicia
>
>
>
>
Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my "thinking cap," on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow... Pat
Joseph Puentes wrote:
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Alicia,
>
> From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>
> Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>
> Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>
1) log in
2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description
3) go to "create content"
4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format
5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives
6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"
7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process
9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
step for you and then #'s 5-8]
hope this wasn't too confusing,
joseph
>
> to be continued
> Pat
>
>Patricia Corbera
wrote:
> Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>Sincerely,
>Pat
>
>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>Patricia,
>
>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>
>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>
>Saludos,
>Alicia
>
>
>
>
If you or anyone on the list has any trouble at all please let me,
Arturo or Rosalinda know you need help. Email:
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org and one of us will get the message.
thanks,
joseph
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my "thinking cap," on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow... Pat
>
>Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
>Patricia Corbera wrote:
>
>
>
>>Alicia,
>>
>>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>>
>>Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>>
>>Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>>
>>
>>
>1) log in
>
>2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
>format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description
>
>3) go to "create content"
>
>4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format
>
>5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
>Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives
>
>6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"
>
>7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
>
>8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process
>
>9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
>"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
>step for you and then #'s 5-8]
>
>hope this wasn't too confusing,
>
>joseph
>
>
>
>>to be continued
>>Pat
>>
>>Patricia Corbera
>>
>>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>>Sincerely,
>>Pat
>>
>>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>>Patricia,
>>
>>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>>
>>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>>
>>Saludos,
>>Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
Thank you...Pat
Joseph Puentes wrote: If you or anyone on the list has any trouble at all please let me,
Arturo or Rosalinda know you need help. Email:
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org and one of us will get the message.
thanks,
joseph
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my "thinking cap," on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow... Pat
>
>Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
>Patricia Corbera wrote:
>
>
>
>>Alicia,
>>
>>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>>
>>Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>>
>>Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>>
>>
>>
>1) log in
>
>2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
>format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description
>
>3) go to "create content"
>
>4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format
>
>5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
>Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives
>
>6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"
>
>7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
>
>8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process
>
>9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
>"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
>step for you and then #'s 5-8]
>
>hope this wasn't too confusing,
>
>joseph
>
>
>
>>to be continued
>>Pat
>>
>>Patricia Corbera
>>
>>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>>Sincerely,
>>Pat
>>
>>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>>Patricia,
>>
>>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>>
>>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>>
>>Saludos,
>>Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
Alicia, I have a personal copy of the book. i can scan some pages and emailed them ot you..what would you be interested?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera wrote:
Alicia, thank you for the "warm welcome." I don't have Avelars in my family, my husband's, 6th ggfather, was a Luis de Avalos b. abt 1697 Mexico; died bef 1750 m. to Maria Perez daughter of Nicolas Mexia Estrada and Mariana Isla Sandobal. Maria and Luis were the parents of Maria Teresa de Avalos, not sure if this is just one of those spelling variations of a surname that so often is found. We're almost neighbors, I live in Tracy. The publication that you noted, Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas, "on loan," from a local library? Tino (my husband) has Duran ancestors from Nochistlan. I would love to see that book. His maternal ancestry resided in Nochistlan for over 300 yrs. It's his paternal line of Corbera that proven to be difficult for me. I only have about 300 in my computer for his family, but there's a lot of siblings that I didn't add. I bet with your Portuguese ancestry you and I probably are related. I just recently
had my mtDNA tested, and I'm in the process of talking my husband into getting his mtDNA and yDNA tested. How exciting it would be to find a common ancestor in Tino's lines with you or your husband. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
Welcome to the group, I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do. I have met some wonderful people that have become very good friends.
You said you have been researching your Portuguese roots for 10 years, do you have any ancestors with the surname of Abelar or Avelar? Avelar is my maiden name and every Avelar I have encountered that is not a known member of my family has been Portuguese. I live and worked in Silicon Valley and came into contact with many Portuguese people with this surname.
Now to your husband's ancestry, you list his areas of research as "La Jabonera" in Nochistlan Zac. I have a book on loan which is titled, "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. Much of the history and geneaology within this book is from Rancho La Jabonera, most of the focus is on "Duran" but like all Geneaology it branches off to many other surnames.
How much research have you done to date on your husband's family. I have probably around 2,000 plus entries in my database and who knows, we may have some connections.The only surname that we have in common is Aguirre which is on my husband's side. The surnames of Perez, Delgadillo and Lopez are indirect family ties.
I look forward to hearing from you Patricia.
Saludos,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos de Carrillo
I've run across a surname that does not comply with the traditional Mexican progression of surnames. In other words, the name of the person is not followed by the surname of the father, then the surname of the mother.
Ernie,
One of my ancestors in Zacatecas was named Marcelino Suriano/Soriano/Zuriano. That sounds very Italian to me (they use the "ino" like the Spanish use "ito"), and I read someplace that there were quite a few immigrants from Portugal and Italy in Zacatecas.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
if you saw a little boy running around the store sometimes then it might
have been me. Then again it could easily have been one of my many
cousins. You never know but you and I might have met or as little kids
Arturo,
I just noticed that Linda's messages regarding her new DNA test results
aren't listed in the Ranchos website.
Previously I also noted that one of my posts apparently was truncated on the
Arturo,
I just noticed that Linda's messages regarding her new DNA test results
aren't listed in the Ranchos website.
Previously I also noted that one of my posts apparently was truncated on the
way from my email client to the Ranchos website.
Just wanted to bring this to your attention so you can check if there's
something wrong and if there are any other instances where this is
happening.
Saludos,
Victor
Victor et al:
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. After a bit of sleuthing, I have found Linda's message. It is the last of a very long list of messages in a thread called "Introductions"
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14531?from=20&comments_per_page=10
What happens is that messages that are recognized as replies to previous postings are compiled as comments to the first posting of the given topic. What happened in this case is that the topic has changed several times but the messages keep getting appended to the same topic nevertheless.
In order to avoid this, members should not reply to a message unless the new message is actually a reply to the message being replied to. If you are posting a new topic, please create a new message without using your reply button. Any messages composed as replies carry a marker of the original message being replied to and the site uses this to organize messages by topic.
Thanks for the reply and explanation, Arturo.
Any idea what could've happened with my message that got truncated?
It wasn't anything of great importance but I was just curious from a
technical perspective.
The following link shows the part of the message that made it to the forum:
( http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14655#comment-9863)
After that I posted a reply again and that went thru just right.
Thanks again.
Below is a copy of the message that got truncated as it was originally sent:
(Copied from my sent email folder)
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On 7/10/06, Stuart Armstrong wrote:
>
> <<>>
(For any who are not familiar with the rules, Spanish words are always
accented on the last syllable, with only 3 exceptions -- unless it
ends with S, N, or a Vowel. If it ends with one of those it is
accented on the next-to-last syllable. If it is pronounced any other
way, an accent mark is used to specify how it is to be pronounced.
There's another rule about what to do with words that end in two
vowels, but I'm a little fuzzy about that one.)
"Mongolian blue spots are common among darker-skinned races, such as
Asian, East Indian, and African. They are flat, pigmented lesions with
unclear borders and irregular shape. They appear commonly at the base
Thank you for that defniniton. A much better explanation than I could have offered. I only know what I've seen. I live in Monterey Park, the Chinese Beverly Hills. The world's first suburban China Town. So I see a lot of Asians.
The only thing I can add is that the Mongolian blue spot is a life long condition for Asians. But, for Native Americans, and mestizos it can disappear after infancy.
It is a subcutaneous deep purple birth mark about the size of a hen's egg at the top of the nalgas! To put it indelicately, at the top of the ass crack. At least that's where I've seen it with my own two peepers.
No offense intended.
My children had the mongolian spots - a day care center actually reported me
to DCFS - they came, and had to give the day care center a cultural
indoctrination. Poor me, when my first born came to the world, I thought I had
somehow hurt him during the birthing process - the Filipina nurse simply laughed
and said - "honey, that means he is not white."
Anyway, I know that Mexico had many cultures (Chinese included), and wanted
to share the China Poblana story, and found this wonderful web site---check
out also the history of Zacatecas!
_http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/main.html_
(http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/main.html)
What a wonderful story! Thanks for telling us about it. I'm glad it had a happy concluison.
The Mongolian blue spot does look exactly like a bruise.
We certainly are talking about he most personal things in our lives, and on our bodies. It feels good to open up like this. Like we were on big support group:)
this one is full of relatives from Jalisco, Zacatecas and Chihuahua
joseph
ps: you'll have to have Windows Media Player to view. . .sorry Mac folks,
but if you have QuickTime you can try this: http://blip.tv/file/15482,
Hi Alicia:
I could have written your message "verbatim" about the Puentes Brothers
Store in San Jose!
I lived in San Jose's Alum Rock area from 1951 to 1956 and visited the
store, with my parents, just about every week-end. The "Guadalajara" store
was our second choice.
Your message has brought back a lot of happy and pleasant memories...I
attended Grant School on Empire St. between 10th and 11th streets. I
believe the school is no longer there. I also attended Roosevelt Jr. High
on Santa Clara and 20th St. on the east side of Coyote Creek. That school
was turned into a park. The last school I attended in San Jose was James
Lick High, on Alum rock Ave. and White Road.
Thank you for bringing back so many happy memories of my youth.
"Recordar es volver a vivir"
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
in that video you remember the second or third picture was of me when I
was 3 years old with my arm bandaged? The next picture is titled "my
little butt." Well when I was 3 I was working (playing) in my dad's (his
brothers and my grandfather's) store right there on 10th st. Puentes
Bros. Inc. and I reached up on the conveyor belt for a nice warm freshly
made tortilla and got my pinky finger tip (which looks like a little
butt) chopped off. A week later I went back and found my pinky tip on
the floor way in the corner of the store. . .hmmm, good thing it didn't
get mixed in with a tortilla huh, Can you imagine the horror story of
someone finding my finger in a package of tortillas. Well it never made
it but onto the floor and I found it and we gave it a proper burial
complete with prayers and a ceremony in the back yard. At that time we
lived on 18th street on the corner of 18th and ???well I can't remember
the cross street but right where 18th gets cut off from the freeway.
joseph
ps: Well if you were going to the store when you were a little girl then
if you saw a little boy running around the store sometimes then it might
have been me. Then again it could easily have been one of my many
cousins. You never know but you and I might have met or as little kids
looked at each other way long ago.
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Joseph Puentes
>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 3:26:40 PM
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another Homevideo
>
>
>http://blip.tv/file/15484
>
>Joseph,
>
>I just had a chance to view this video and it brought back many long forgotten memories. In one of the photos on this video there is a Puentes Bros store. Is that the store that was formerly on 10th street and Hedding in San Jose or near 10th street. I recall that mom or dad would ask me to go with my sister Lucy who had to drive across town to buy tortillas & pan dulce, chiles or other condiments that only Puentes Bros had. This was the only local Mexican market in town back in the late 50's early 60's. When the new mexican markets such as Ozuna's and La Guadalajara were opened they took much business from Puentes Bros.
>
>I recall that every Sunday after mass, our outing was to Ozuna's to buy tortillas, pan dulce and Menudo and other Mexican delicacies, winter time was tamales. We would run into everyone else from church who also made it a habit to go to Ozuna's, the new local Mexican hangout. When the new kid on the block arrived mom would say the tortillas were better than Puentes Bros. But Puentes Brothers had been good enough for oh so many years.
>
>Thanks for helping to bring up these old times and memories of San Jose.
>
>Alicia
Linda with DNA the geographical areas are easier to cross and still make connections. A great
database has already been set up and it would be good to make your contributions there on
Gary Felix' site.
That is the main premise of that site. To compare DNA to establish ties with verified surnames.
But that's not my reason for being there, or for my y and mt DNA testing.
I am interested in the research for its own sake. To see where it takes me.
I have completely transcended my own surname. Its handy to have one, but virtually irrelevant to me from a genealogical perspective.
What I like about the Mexico Surname project, and I do recommend you check it out, Gary Felix is very helpful. What I like is how it shows what genetic diversity we Chicanos and Mexicanos have within our veins. Semitic, Hebrew, African, you name it!
I just discovered the first Jew in my lineage. A distant relation that doesn't make me feel Jewish, but interesting just the same. Her name was Maria Simona Caro.
Through the Caro Family Forum on Genealogy.com I discovered that the name is a Jewish one.
When our beloved Catholic Monarchs, Ferdinand and Isabella, gave their Jews three choices in 1492, conversion, expulsion or death. Many members of the Caro family chose conversion and changed the spelling of their name to Caro.
Those that chose expulsion to Algeria, Morocco and Tunisis (Al Magreb), retained the original spelling, Karo.
Many stayed in Spain and resisted conformity.
And at least one brave branch sought the anonymity of the vast expanses of Nueva Biscaya, modern day Chihuahua, where this woman married into my maternal Montoya line.
My curiosity isn't limited to a name. That to me is just a stating point. A sign post. We are all so much more than our names.
Thank you for your input. I am familiar with Gary Felix's website
and belong to the Mexico DNA research group. I was just trying to
touch all bases and encourage researchers to add DNA to their list of
resources.
Researching other surnames is a viable option for me because I have
no proof that my ancestor's surname was not changed along the way or
that there may be another spelling. Romero may seem like it couldn't
be mistaken for another surname, but if my ancestors came from Italy
or Greece instead of Spain, it could have been Romano or Romeo or
whatever. I do not know when my ancestors came to Mexico nor do I
know the circumstances of their departing their previous homeland.
My J2b1b haplogroup leaves my ancestry open to much speculation.
Thank you again for your input. You are correct in steering
researchers to Gary Felix's Genealogy of Mexico Project. It is one
of the best on the net.
Linda
On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:27 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:18:21 -0500
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA: The Genealogy of Mexico Project
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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> Linda with DNA the geographical areas are easier to cross and still
> make connections. A great
> database has already been set up and it would be good to make your
> contributions there on
> Gary Felix' site.
>
> See: The Genealogy of Mexico
> http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm
>
> For genealogical purposes "I Think" that the main use of DNA is to
> compare your Y-DNA with others
> that have the same last name to see if they compare. Others that
> are more fluent on DNA results can
> more likely give a better explanation.
>
> joseph
>
>
In reference to Chinese immigrants in Mexico prior to 1650... one of the most Mexican of traditions originates with an Asian immigrant...
http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/lachina.html
ASIAN INFLUENCE IN MEXICO STEMS FROM SEVENTEENTH CENTURY
FHL Phone Number: 866-406-1830