Nuestros Ranchos Site

Is there a list of the available Mexico records for Ancestry.com by
state, municipality, year, etc? Do they offer the actual images or
just the database results? Are there NEW images of films added here
not available on FamilySearch.org?

Their 14-day "free" access doesn't let you see details of the
results--all it does is give you vague results, and then asks for you
credit card information. I ran a search for Catarina Banegas, born
1660, in Tlaltenango, and when I clicked on one of the records, here's
what it gave you: "Index Only Record. Source Information
Ancestry.com. Mexico, Select Baptisms, 1560-1950 [database on-line].
Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data:
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
"

I don't have a paid account on Ancestry, but I suspect their records
are merely duplicates of FamilySearch.org.

Please correct me if there's any value to this site for Mexican records.

Thanks, Arturo

Hello friends, I'm having trouble reading the name of this town. Each time, I google it, I can find anything. I honestly don't even know if it was in Nueva Galicia.

http://i.imgur.com/X7sclew.png

I'm hoping someone could read it.

Thanks.

First of all I'd like to thank Nuestros Ranchos. If it wasn't for this web site I would never have been in contact with the person that inadvertently "resolved" what had been my 16 year genealogical dead end; Miguel BELTRAN.

I had gone back to a great grandfather Jorge JAIME born sometime in the late 1600s in Aguascalientes "de padres no conocidos." Every document I had pulled on him had said the same about his parents. However, I knew that someone had to know because ever document insisted that he was "Espanol." Which everyone that is familiar with that time period knows that it would not be a claim to be taken lightly.

Miguel BELTRAN discovered Jorge's parents while looking the marriage investigation record of one of Jorge's grandchildren; Tadeo Antonio JAIME. Which states that Jorge's parents were Diego JAIME with Maria SANDOBAL ORIBARRI. And so I went off to investigate Diego JAIME.

Several years ago I had submitted my YDNA to FamilyTreeDNA.com in an effort to get a hint or clue where Jorge JAIME may have been from. Several years of waiting generated nothing substantial. That is until several weeks ago..

A few weeks ago I was informed that I had a "perfect" with three other people. When I logged on to see who the were I was surprised to discover that they were all ROMO, all doing research in this (Nuestros Ranchos) area. The same that I had been researching for over 20 years. After I analyzed the data I came up with a rough time period of us all having a common ancestor in the 1600s. But then begged the question. How did the surname change from ROMO to XAIMES in the 16000s? I had all of my documentation for all of my ancestors going back to the 1600s. Or did I? Then it hit me like a ton of bricks. All but Jorge JAIME born sometime in the 1600s"de padres no conocidos" in Aguascalientes were the ROMOs had already made a name for themselves.

• So who was it?
• Was Maria SANDOBAL OLIBARRI with more than one man?
• Did Maria SANDOBAL OLIBARRI know that the real father was a ROMO DE VIVAR?
• Did she know it was ???? ROMO DE VIVAR but in an effort save the ROMO DE VIVAR family from scandal blamed a "nobody," like Diego XAIMES?
• Was she scared of what would happen to her if word got out that it was a ROMO DE VIVAR?
• And which ROMO DE VIVARs would be likely candidates?

Well for the last question I can say that it could be:

• Diego ROMO DE VIVAR (b.1589, d.1650)
• Juan ROMO DE VIVAR (b. Abt. 1632)
• Pedro ROMO DE VIVAR (b. 1632)
• Diego ROMO DE VIVAR (b. Abt. 1630)
• Geronimo ROMO DE VIVAR (?)
• Francisco ROMO DE VIVAR (b.1644)

Recently, Armanco Antunano was assigned as Administrator for the FamilyTreeDNA.com web site group called "Nueva Galicia DNA Project", which I strongly urge everyone to join. (I'm not paid by them to promote it) As it holds the potential to reveal similar situations like mine. After joining the group Armando analyzed my YDNA and concluded without a doubt that I am a ROMO DE VIVAR. YDNA does not lie. Go figure...

Why Diego JAIME was listed as the father of Jorge JAIME in those marriage investigation records, we'll never know. But I would like know which ROMO was Jorge XAIMES' father to finally bring closure to years of research. In an effort to do this, I would like to know if there is any ROMO on this site that can trace their ancestry to any of these men, and has also submitted their YDNA.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Luis (JAIME?)

My husband has Villasenor ancestors from Jalisco.  His Ancestry DNA results show 19% Italy/Greece.  It was not broken down any closer.  I will have to do more work on that family.Melinda Lambaren  

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone look at this baptism for Jose Monico Miguel Almeida and tell
me if all 3 couples are the padrinos or if 2 of the couples are
grandparents. its right after where it says Jose Monico Miguel hijo de
Refugio Almeida y de Maria Antonia Peres.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65G9-GGH

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

on this marriage for Antonio Ramos and Maria Robles it starts on the left
page and finishes on the right. could someone tell me what the
sentence says after it says resultado impedimento ninguno canonico:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT75-JD

Danny C. Alonso

Greetings all.

My name is Ricardo Contreras Infante. Genealogy has been a passion of mine for over five years. This all started back in 2010, when my paternal grandfather passed away. At the time of his death, I did not know how he looked nor what his name was. The same goes for my grandmother who died prior to me being born. After finding my father's birth certificate, which listed the names of my grandparents, great grandparents, and where they lived, I became interested in ancestry. After years of searching through every single microfilm in the San Sebastian Del Oeste archives on Familysearch.com, I was able to use this information to find the names of my grandparents's family. In 2015, I traveled to San Sebastian Del Oeste on my own to locate potentially family members. Despite not speaking Spanish well enough, I was able to track down my grandmother's last living sister, who also lead me to my grandfather's surviving siblings who now live in Mexico city. I take solace in that despite not meeting my grandparents, I got to know them through their family and through visiting the rancho.

Though I've barely opened an account here, I've actually been a frequent viewer of this site. I greatly appreciate the users here in the past who have posted very informative information here concerning genealogy for Jalisco and Aguascalientes.Through this website, I have wider grasp on things such as the Casta system used by the Spanish and the terms one has to be knowledgeable when reading records.

After years of research,I was able to trace my lineage back to Xptobal(Cristobal) De Contreras and Catharina Sanchez of Mascota, Jalisco. Both individuals were born in the late 1600s and fathered a son named Xptobal De Contreras Sanchez, who was born around 1702 and whom later went on to live in Santiago De Pinos in the San Sebastian Del Oeste municipality. Unfortunately, the records for Mascota only go to the 1800s. I also believe that Mascota may not have had a church in the 1700s as evident by all the people who lived there who would go to San Sebastian Del Oeste to get married and to baptist their children. However the most of the records for the early 1700s and the 1600s in San Sebastian are missing. It's my belief that they were lost in an earthquake in 1868 when the church was damaged.

Anyway, what got me to make an account here is what a user said in this topic: Gmotovar :"Este Alonso de Contreras sería el genearca de varios de ese apellido en la región (antigua Provincia de Avalos)" http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20132?page=3

It is my belief that my oldest ancestor, Xptobal De Contreras of the village of Mascota, Jalisco, is possibly a great great grandson of the Conquistador. Alonso De Contreras Lerma. This conclusion is based on the on what Gmotovar said as well as researching the whereabouts of Alonso known descendants whom lived in areas like Autlan, Cocula, Zacoalco, Tljaomulco, Tecolotlan, and Sayula. All these locations are very close to Mascota.

If anyone can confirm that Alonso is the ancestor of the Contreras family members, who settled in Western Jalisco in the early 1600s, that would be greatly appreciate.
If anyone can give me any hints on where to look for baptism records for people in Mascota for the late 1600s, I would be very grateful.

Thanks
Ricardo

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Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 11:33 AM
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Organized in Escondido, California some fourteen years ago, the Hispanic Heritage Project helped archives that housed Hispanic colonial documents.Income was at first generated from proceeds earned by taking care of and selling produce from a city-owned avocado and orange grove. Later when the old grove could no longer provide the funds needed they sought donations and later launched their second enterprise, selling Hispanic books online.

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I cannot locate the record for the marriage of Juan Antonio Ruiz and Maria Josefa Ysaguirre. It was 2 September 1798 in Rio Verde, San Luis Potosi. There is 1 record for that date, but it is not for these two. I am sure it is in this book (709241) somewhere, but I can't find it. Any help will be apprectiated! Here is the record for the date: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGGQ-S6P?i=444&cc=1860864

Esteemed genealogist Tony Campos passed away today, November 18, 2016. His primary genealogical focus was in the State of Michoacan. In the 1980s Tony, together with Ophelia Marquez, Mimi Lozano and Raul Guerra, co-founded the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research. This genealogical organization published the SHHAR Research Journals and Somos Primos Newsletters. We will always be grateful for his wonderful contributions.

Mary Lou Montagna

The number of people researching their roots in Mexico is ever growing. What I wonder is, do people who were born in Mexico and still live there have any interest in genealogy. On another forum, I read a post by a member who voiced his disappointment that there doesn't appear to be any genealogy interest and that it would be great if someone cared enough even for something like Find a Grave in the US. I responded that maybe they are so close to their past and ancestors that it isn't that important or resources are easily accessed which did not help this person's attitude at all. What are you thoughts?

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

On this baptism for Lorenso de esqueda could someone tell me what it says
after fueron sus padrinos Salvador Ruiz de Esparza:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-1DP

Danny C. Alonso

The FamilyTreeDNA 2016 Winter Holiday sale has started. They are giving coupons out that can be used on top of the discounted prices reducing the price of the tests even more. The coupons can be shared and once someone uses the coupon you get another coupon that is a better deal. If you do not plan on using the coupon please share the coupon code so other people can take advantage of it.

If you have changed your email address you need to login to the site to see the coupon code. If you lost you login info you can contact FTDNA to have your password reset.

I have wondered at the "end of the line" origins of m Family surname, (ORNELAS) and am now down to about 5 serious contenders, all in the Galician region (Northern Spain/Portugal), and talking to several people who are absolutely certain that THEIR research and findings are accurate. We have Fornelas,(spain) Hornelas, Ornelas, and a few others with common phonetics from the region.

Realizing, that for a lot of us, some of our surnames come from a mother culture that is Galician, and regional, rather than strictly nationally Spanish or Portuguese, I began to wonder when the two languages formally separated, and found this interesting article.
https://www.quora.com/At-what-point-did-Portuguese-and-Spanish-become-d…

I am interested in what some of the older and more experience researchers here think, and looking to learn more.

Thanks.
Piero

I have messaged others, but either I have had something go wrong with my browser, or there is not a simple inbox for messages between members.
Thanks.

P.S. is anyone else getting this PHP error screen like I am? I get something similar to it on every NR page i visit.
"Creating default object from empty value in PHP?:
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PO

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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:19 PM
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Somos Primos, November 2016 Click here: Somos Primos http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2016/spnov16/spnov16.htm

Dear Friends and Family:

November 1-2 are observed as Dias de Los Muertos , honoring the memories of our loved ones.
and November 11th is Veteran's Day, set aside to honor our Veterans.

Words can not express my gratitude to those men and women who dedicate
their lives to protecting our country. As I view the brutality and
devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars, I realize that we can never repay our veterans for the horrors forever etched in their memories. Please pray with me that our in-coming government will attempt to provide for all the needs of our Veterans, and we will fulfill our obligations to them will be set in place.

I give thanks for being born in the United States of Mexican Heritage with a proud history of 500 years of familia contributions to the development of the Americas.
I give thanks for the technological and scientific developments which have provided the means for me to learn of my roots and appreciate mis antipasados, for their sacrifices and accomplishments.
I give thanks for the Christian foundations of our nation, and our inspired Constitution.
I give thanks for our varied/ diverse educational systems, giving all opportunities to improve their lives.
I give thanks for family and friend who strengthen and support me.
I give thanks to you, readers of Somos Primos, who encourage my efforts and share information.

Let us all pray that the Lord will have His Hand on the outcome of the election.
God bless America that it will continue to be a stabilizing force in the world.

Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS, November 2016

UNITED STATES
ACLU Outrage: A Mountaintop Christian Victory Over the ACLU Chapman University’s third annual Survey of American Fears Pew Research Center Report: Individual income tax statistics, by income group Smithsonian Latino Center 2015 Annual Report

Mexican “Repatriation” of the 1930s: 45 Years of Advocacy by M.
Guadalupe Espinoza
Open Letter of Concern to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Administrators, Voters, The NFL, Sportswriters and the General Public from Dr. Mario Longoria

Don Eleuterio Escobar, Seed planted in 1915 for Liga Pro-Defensa Escolar / School Improvement League by Gilberto Quezada Domingo E. Pena, Memories by daughter, Rose Everett Alonso S. Perales, Civil rights lawyer-fighter for Mexican Americans by Gilberto Quezada "El Mexico Americano y la Politica del Sur de Texas" Lic. Alonso S.
Perales, Octubre 1931

7th annual Digital Media & Learning Conference at UCI, Digital Dreamers by Mimi Ko Cruz Convention of States held September 26th Defaced dollar bill should be refused Spanish language is the oldest non Indian language spoken of the United States

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Horses & Heroes by Robin Collins
CAREM / El Camino Real de las Californias as World Heritage Site Update Latinos in Heritage Conservation: Reunion 2016, November 18-19 Houston, Texas America's Most Endangered Historic Places

HISTORIC TIDBITS
Photo: Policemen inspect a 'lumber truck' during prohibition (1926) Los Esclavos Olvidados de America, Los Irlandeses
Irish: The Forgotten White Slaves

HISPANIC LEADERS
Regardless of their faith, terminal patients find comfort with Sisters of the Servants of Mary

AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Photo: US soldier offering his hand to a woman leaving a cave
Unreal: Pentagon Demands Soldiers Repay Bonuses WWII Spitfire Pilot

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Spanish and Mexican Land Grants by Joe Perez Who was the “Protector and Defender of U.S. independence"? by José Antonio López Judge Edward F. Butler, 37th TX Hispanic Genealogical & Historical Conference

SURNAMES
IX Reunion Internacional de los Elizondo Apellido Pastor Apellido Bonis

DNA
Genes and Mestizos by Carlos López Beltrán Genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula

FAMILY HISTORY
Twile Integrates with FamilySearch

EDUCATION
Educators fight textbook that vilifies Mexican Americans by Sabrina Holcomb Pórtate Bienwritten by Sylvia Castañeda Reaching their STEM potential by Nina Agrawal

CULTURE
Sacred Image Cast Through Several Lenses by Antonie Boessenkool Conjunto & Orquesta: Music and Tejano Identity: "What Are We?
Historia de 'Adelita' la personaje del famoso corrido.

BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
The International Latino Book Awards
The 2016 NAHP Convention, Allen, Texas, October 19-22, Jose Marti Publishing Awards Recognizing Rudolfo Anaya, the Godfather of Chicano Letters by Rigoberto Gonzalez Irma's Story Irma's Story, American by Birth Hispanic by Choice by Peter B . Gawenda Cuando Éramos Invencibles por Jesús A. Rojo Pinilla White Cargo by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh Mujeres de la Edad Media: actividades políticas, socioeconómicas y culturales
co-authors: Maira del Carmen Garcia Herrero y Cristina Perez Galan La Cruzada Océano José Javier Esparaza

I am trying to find the parents of Juan de Anda, and to determine if he is part of the Anda Altamirano family.

Juan married Maria Ortega Espinosa on 28 Jul 1658, in Lagos de Moreno, the record gives her parents, but not his. Of their six children, Juana de Anda married Nicolas Macias Valadez in Lagos de Moreno on 16 Sep 1680.

Any help would be appreciated.

George Fulton

I truly need help find my 8th generation grandparents Juan Antonio Thorres de Escobar married to Getrudis Codero. They were from San Juan Bautista, Sombrerete, Zacatecas Mexico.

I also need to find Ysidro Placencia married to Gertrudis Rodriguez around 1712.

Mil gracias

Olga Placencia Torres

Hi! Are there any resources that cover the population and history of Sayula, Jalisco, in the 1800s? Does anyone know who I would contact in Sayula that might know that kind of information? Thank you!

Researching Aceves, Lopez, Cuevas, Villalbaso, Velasco, Luna, Lugo ...

I just found out that the book "Ameca, Protofundacion Mexicana" by Jesus Amaya Topete is now available to view on Google books. It has lots of information on the founding families in the Ameca valley. I am so glad I'm able to read it online, especially because it contains lots of information about a branch in my family tree, the Enriquez Topete. Here's the link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=8IpnAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=en…

Saludos,

Steve in NC

I tire of the right wing screed that is Somos Primos.

But first, let's talk about terrorism. It's not like the Muslims have a
corner on this market. Most terrorism in the USA is by white Christian
males. Shall we talk about the atrocities that our own soldiers have
committed? In the ME, in Vietnam? Here's the legacy of our involvement
in Vietnam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj72E8Xr_xw Look at those
children and tell me we have no blood on our hands.

As Christ himself said, "Let the one among you who is without sin be the
first to throw a stone."

Let's revisit 2000 years of Christian history and come up with examples
of Christians doing horrific things. I'm sure we could fill volumes.

lg

On 11/01/2016 3:06 pm, general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

I just came across the term "Ambrotype" and it was an old way of taking photographs on glass.

It is amazing how they looked back then in the mid 1800's. I hope to find some of people from our town in Mexico.

Hello, I'm wondering if someone can help me read this marriage record. I am not yet able to read this type of writing well, especially the abbreviations. What I'm particularly interested in are these: On the third line between Lopez and de este Pueblo; On the fourth line what is his mother's name? Also, what are the words between Ana Luisa Diaz and hija. Also, in the column on the left, what does the bottom line say? Thank you!

Babette

buenas tardes a todos nuestros amigos compañeros de este foro
de investigación genealógica
alguien a podido encontrar alguna pista sobre el linaje de
Petronila de Moctezuma esposa de Martin navarro de gabai ?
o alguien sabe noticia sobre el libro de de don Guillermo Tovar de teresa
donde menciona el documento donde se comprueba el linaje de Petronila con el emperador Moctezuma?
esperemos muy pronto encontrar noticias sobre su linaje
saludos a todos
que tengan un excelente día