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I'm interested in getting more information about the Gutierrez/
Monroy/Cortes connection, too....My family is Gutierrez & Almaraz and I
understand that the Almaraz family may be associated with the Cortes &
Monroy lineage....Does anyone have further information on that? The
Gutierrez family was from Arandas, Mexico and the Almaraz family was from
Mier....Are they connected to the Monroy/Cortes families? Many thanks for
your help.

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> Hola Josie, Hace tiempo investigué a este personaje:
> https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Guti%C3%A9rrez%20de%
> 20Hermosillo-Descendants-32.
> Tuvo al menos otros dos hijos: Pedro y Cristóbal. Cristóbal también era
> conocido como Cristóbal Muñoz de Hermosillo. Me llama la atención que en
> la Dispensa #3 todos los declarantes mencionan que Melchor y Pedro eran
> hermanos "legitimos". Espero esta información te sea de utilidad, aunque a
> mi también me deja mas dudas que respuestas. Un cordial saludo.
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> Marcelina stated above that Don Martín Cortés "El Viejo" del reino de León
> se casó con una mujer de apellido MONROY en Extremadura y fueron padres de
> los siguientes hijos: 1. Hernando 2. Juan 3. Juan 4. Alonso 5. Martín
> Cortés de Monroy (padre de Hernán Cortés). 6. Leonor 7. María (The
> following is from the web page of Daniel Cortes Gonzales
> http://www.motecuhzoma.de/familia-Cortes.html)as stated above by
> Marcelina La
> hija ilegítima se llamó Inés Gómez de Paz. Desempeñó un importante
> papel en la vida del Conquistador Hernán Cortés. Según testimonio del
> propio Hernán Cortés en 1546, su tía Inés Gómez de Paz era hija natural
> de su abuelo, “habida con otra mujer” fuera del matrimonio legítimo. A
> los hijos de Inés: Rodrigo (Mayordomo), Pedro (Abogado en Espana) y Ana; el
> Conquistador les dio siempre el tratamiento de primos. This is how I
> understood the information
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while researching my Garcia lineage, I can across
this statement: los nombres de los Padres, Abuelos Paternos y Maternos se hallan
en el Libro Reservado. I happen to have the information, Regarding the daughter, Maria Anacleta Teresa Garcia Macias, born July 3, 1861, familysearch , bautismos 1861-1862, IMAGE#158, Aguascalientes, Asuncion de Maria, Parents were, Nicolas
Garcia Reyes and Pantaleona Macias, Macias; paternal grandparents were, Jose Camilo
Garcia Bocanegra and Brigida Reyes Losando; maternal; Jose Macias and YsavelMacias
(batch#) C60483-2 and GS Film number: 299485. what is the meaning of Libro Reservado? Gracias, Arturo de Leon

Se dice que Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo fue hijo natural de Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II y una hermana de su esposa legitima, Ana Gonzales Florida II. Sera cierto? Esto es lo que he encontrado hasta ahora usando en su mayor parte FamilySearch. Honestamente, tengo mas preguntas que respuestas.

Pedro tuvo varios hijos naturales o adoptados… (Pero tubo esposa???). Estos son los hijos de Pedro:

--Maria Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Francisco Gonzales de Robalcaba (hijo de Mateo de Robalcaba y Catharina de Sandoval) en 1684 en Nochistlan (su informacion matrimonial dice que fue originaria de Jonacatlan, vecina de Tacotlan e hija de la iglesia)

--Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Catharina Delgadillo (hija de Luis Delgadillo “El Mozo” y Maria Josefa de Yslas)

--Jose Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Mariana Delgadillo (hija de Luis Delgadillo “El Mozo” y Maria Josefa de Yslas)

--Antonio Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Leonor Ortiz de Robalcava (Nochistlan) en primeras nupcias y con Francisca Gonzales en Tepatitlan en segundas)

DISPENSAS

#1 Esta dispensa prueba que Maria y Miguel son hermanos e hijos de Pedro Gutierrez.
Dispensa del Matrimonio de Pablo Jose de Robalcaba y Maria Leonor de Placencia (Yahualica, 4/22/1784)
Pedro Gutierrez (Tronco)
Maria Gutierre – hermana de – Miguel Gutierrez
[+Francisco de Robalcaba] [+Catharina Delgadillo]
Nicolas de Robalcaba -primos hermanos- Gertrudis Gutierrez
[+Petrona de Luna] [+Alejo de Placencia]
Francisco de Robalcaba -primos segundos- Joachin de Placencia
[+Maria Francisca Sanchez] [+Manuela Alvares de la Cruz]
Pablo Jose (pretenso) – Maria Leonor (pretensa)

Testigo: Alexo de Placencia de 82 años dice ”que save, y le consta [que los pretenso] son parientes en cuarto grado de consanguinidad, por haver sido hermanos Maria Gutierrez y Miguel Gutierrez – de Maria Gutierrez vino Nicolas de Robalcaba y de Miguel Gutierrez vino Gertrudis Gutierrez…” etc…
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-653F-4P?mode=g&i=667&wc=3J…

#2 Esta dispensa dice que Maria y Jose son hermanos pero que es dudoso el parentesco.
Dispensa del matrimonio de Rafael Gutierrez y Maria Ygnacia Robalcaba (Cuquio, Dic 12, 1775)
Pedro Gutierrez (tronco)
Josef Gutierrez – hermanos- Maria Gutierrez
[+Mariana Delgadillo] [+Francisco de Robalcaba
Salvador Gutierrez - primos hermanos- Nicolas Robalcaba
[+Catharina de Vargas] [+Petrona de Luna]
Rafael Angel Gutierrez – primos segundos- Francisco Robalcaba
[+Michaela Mercado] [+M Francisca Guillen (Sanchez)]
Rafael (pretenso) – Maria Ygnacia (pretensa)

Esta dispensa pone en duda que Josef y Maria fueran hijos de Pedro Gutierrez. Testigo Don Josef Metrio Gutierrez de Aposol (Jalisco) de 55 años de edad dice “tienen parentesco de consanguinidad dudoso; por que a Josef Gutierrez lo hacen hermano de Maria Gutierrez; cuando esta estubo tenida por huerfana de la casa y cuando fallecio Rafael Angel Gutierrez la dejo un pedazo de tierra; y siendo esto asi, del dicho Josef vino Salvador Gutierrez…” etc…

Testigos: Don Josef Manuel Gonzales de Hermosillo de 55 años de edad y Don Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo de 53 años dicen “hallarse dichos pretensos ligados con parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual: por que Pedro Gutierrez vecino que fue de este partido [Cuquio] crio en su casa a Josef Gutierrez y a Maria Gutierrez a los cuales todo el publico de esta jurisdiccion tubo y ha tenido por hijos del referido Pedro Gutierrez, no obstante el haberlos este declarado por huerfanos en su deposicion testamentaria y que los dichos Josef y Maria Gutierrez se tubieron por hijos del citado Pedro Gutierrez y en la misma conformidad sus decendientes.” [firmas de ambos] Existira todavia este testamento? Esto quiere decir que fueron adoptados?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW3K-Y?mode=g&i=439&wc=3J4…

#3 Esta dispensa prueba que Antonio fue hijo de Pedro Gutierrez y que Pedro fue hermano de Melchor lo cual quiere decir que su padre fue Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II.
Matrimonio de Antonio Gutierrez de 60 años con Francisca Gonzales Flores de 33 años (Tepatitlan, Julio 5, 1723).
Tronco (no info)
Pedro Gutierrez (hermano) Melchor Gonzales
[+????????] [+Beatriz Gonzales de Robalcaba]
Antonio (pretenso)-primos hermanos –Melchor Gonzales
- Diego Gonzales
- Francisca Flores (apellido de la madre) pretensa

Antonio dice “Melchor Gonzales y Pedro Gutierrez eran hermanos, de Melchor provino Melchor Gonzales y de este Diego Gonzales padre natural de Francisca Flores, pretensa y Pedro Gutierres fue mi padre de que se deduce que el segundo Melchor Gonzales es mi primo hermano y siendo este el segundo grado con cuarto...”

Testigo Joachin de Cervantes de 54 años dice “Antonio Gutierrez es hijo natural de Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo... hermano legitimo que fue de Melchor Gonzales de Hermosillo…”

Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II, padre de Pedro, tuvo un hijo llamado Melchor que se caso con Beatriz Gonzales de Robalcaba.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6Y5G-7?mode=g&i=368&wc=3J4…

Hello fellow members,

I missed the boat on PAF format being discontinued. All my information is in that format. Anyone have any suggestions on safely converting to GEDCOM? I hesitate because I don't want to lose my info. We are talking about 5 years of going through un-indexed records. Any suggestion would be helpful.

Thanks in advance,
Andelmo

In this Matrimonio de Ypina (Ypinas have a history with several Coronados names unknown) he reveals to son of Don Antonio de Campa y Cos that he had an affair with a relative of his that he did not find out until later it was his relative and had to reveal this to him. The Son of Campa y Cos states that his father had a natural child named Juana whose mother was a Mulata de Fresnillo. Juana de la Campa had a child named Gertrudis who was with Ypino and is therefore cousin to his pretensa.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SN-5W

I believe this is the family

Juana de la Campa
Deceased • K8TL-KH8 (Familysearch.org)
Married to Marcelo Flores Coronado
​

Does anyone know if this book is available for purchase and download online? I am looking for my Roman ancestors and am hoping this book could help.

Thank you!

I have not been successful in locating any information about the Patrons outside of what I have found in their records. They have been around the Nueva Galacia area since the 1640's and it appears they were in Guanajuato and possibly Mexico City. They were not mentioned in Diccionario Biografico de Antiguos Pobladores de San Luis Potosi by Rafael Morales Bocardo or any other record I know how to locate. Although, I did see on Wikitree Danny Alonso having some connection with the Padons. I have included those connections for him.

Where would I look for their possible Testaments?

It seems Sebastian Padron has a brother named Bartholome Padron (abt 1633) married to Maria del Castillo with some of their children born Guanajuato, Santa Maria del Rio and Villa de Reyes, San Luis Potosi both of those mentioned possibly.

1. Sebastian Padron (abt. 1635) m. Francisca Gonzales (they could’ve married in Guanajuato – san diego de la Union, San Felipe, or Acambaro, or in Santa Maria del Rio, San Luis Potosi, or Villa de Reyes, San Luis Potosi, or even Pinos, Zacatecas. They have, it seems, history in all of those locations but mostly in Santa Maria del Rio. They Married into the Del Castillo, Gonsales, and Torres (Thorres del Rancho de Joseph Thorres)

2. Marcos Padron (abt. 1665) 1st m: Agustina Gutierres 4 December 1687
2nd m: Michaela Martines Espindola 28 Jun 1706

3. Lucas Antonio Padron m: Phelipa Joepha de Torres 10 February 1709

4. Ma. Anta. Gertrudis Padron Baptized 2 Feb 1733 1st m: Roque Francisco Hernandes 5 Jan 1749
2nd m: Joseph Antonio Gonzales 15 Jan 1766

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GGZ-L2C

5.Maria Anastacia (Atanacia) Gonzales m: Antonio Alexandro Colunga (1759–)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGG9-DQ4

Antonio Alexandro Colunga is brother to Miguel Colunga who is married to Bacilia Gonsales Sister to Maria Anastacia Gonsales

Before you read further be aware that there might be content within this email that you don't agree with. In fact you might be terribly opposed to some of the ideas. I'd recommend that you contact Mimi and request to offer your rebuttal to any of the content with which you disagree. Aside from that please just be ready to click DELETE before moving forward. Thanks,

Joseph

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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:21 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos "We are cousins." February 2017

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2017/spfeb17/spfeb17.htm

Dear family, primos and friends:

Hope you are greeting the new year with hope and peace. I keep learning new things which brightens my days. The world is such a miracle of balance, with extremes in every direction. We feel separate from one another and yet when you trace your family history, you see how you must be related on some level with everyone.
Under the DNA section, you'll find a mathematical graph of ancestry. If you take your pedigree back to the 1400s, you have 1,073,741,825 great, great, great, great, great grandparents; however, there were only 450,000,000, and you go back to two.

I had assumed in California, everyone knew a little Spanish and understood that the translation of Somos Primos meant, we are cousins.
I was surprised recently when a third person told me that they thought Somos Primos was saying . . . we were FIRST, which could be a little offensive.

Let suggest when you invite non-Spanish speakers to visit Somos Primos, you explain, we are not saying we are number one, or first, instead we are saying we are cousins, related, connected.

We may be diverse and visually different, but we are connected, sharing this very unique earth. Hopefully we can each make the world a little bit better, within our sphere of influence.

Among the photos are eleven photos, with only the date and location, for identification. Those are from a collection of tinted photochromes from the dawn of the 19th century. These were published by the Detroit Photographic firm (which no longer exists), their firm's photographers traveled the country snapping the sights of North America to be printed on postcards and sold to the public. These photos were among the Beinecke rare books and manuscript library. The Photo collection was
sent by Eva Booher EVABOOHER@aol.com

God bless America, may we continue to be a light to the world.

Mimi

01/26/2017 07:50 AM
TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
YouTube: President Trump's entire inaugural address Learn the Protection Granted You in the United States of America Constitution Students arrested for giving out copies of the US Constitution - Freedom to read Students reprimanded for expressing personal opinions - Freedom to think 5-minute Video: School choice Election Facts: Deduct California, and Trump won the popular votes 51.3% to Hillary's 48.7%.
Latino Representation in California (1849-2017) by John P. Schmal, January 15, 2017 Jose Antonio López: The Seven Sisters of Texas (Las siete hermanas de
Tejas)
The Roots of the Matter: Multiracial individuals celebrate at Mixed Remixed Festival Remembering A School 40 years later, a Fight for Equality His Players Disrespected The National Anthem, What This Coach Does in Response

HISTORIC TIDBITS
Españoles olvidados de Norteamérica by Jose Antonio Crespo-Frances How a US Republican President and a Mexican Youth Ended a Monarchy By Michael Hogan
1883 Texas land sells for 50 cent an acre

HISPANIC LEADERS
Jonathan Sanchez: Assoc. Publisher/COO, Eastern Group Publications Bishop Joseph J. Madera, The Roman Catholic Diocese of Fresno,

AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Borinqueneers "Year in Review" and Message from National Chair, Frank Medina

EARLY AMERICAN PATRIOTS
North Carolina State Archives, copies of:
October 18, 1777, 2-page letter From Patrick Henry to the General Bernardo de Galvez November 8, 1779, 4-page letter from Thomas Jefferson to General Bernardo de Galvez

SURNAMES
Naming system in Spain by Jack Carmena

FAMILY HISTORY
Back to 1400s You Have 1,073,741,825 great, great, great, great, great grandparents Six Things to Look for in Family Search in 2017 My Father Made Everyone Laugh at His Own Funeral by Jesús Ramírez New Resource: MyHeritage.com

EDUCATION
First Generation College Student Guide
Undocumented Ph.D. Makes History at UC Merced by Sasha Khokha

RELIGION
God Changes the Heart of ISIS Leader
United Nations Resolution 2334, based on inaccurate history Christian Clergy Welcomes Islam in Church, Then Bows to It by Giulio Meotti

CULTURE
Does Mexican Music Have German Roots? By Gerald Erichsen Political Salsa: Chicano music and los trovadores by Salomón R.
Baldenegro
History of the Tortilla... Latortilla Loca The Power of LARED-L, a National Network by Moderator Roberto Franco Vazquez María Teresa Márquez and CHICLE: The First Chicana/o Listserv Network

BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
Latino 247 Media Group . . . Formerly Latino Print Network Breaking and Bleeding of a Macho Man by Isabel Delia Gonzalez Dogged Pursuit: Tracking the Life of Enrique Garfias, First City Marshal of Phoenix, AZ Return to Arroyo Grande by Jesús Salvador Treviño We Became Mexican American: How Our Immigrant Family Survived to Pursue the
American Dream by Dr. Carlos B. Gil Beneath the Super Moon by Dr. Irene Blea El Censo de 1680 de la Gomera y El Hierro by Julio C. Vera

Hola Raza , I was cruising through Matrimonios-Jalostotitlan-1717-1748 Image # 261 (left hand side) ,and can't figure out where/how about the parents of Miguel Gutierrez-Coronado -son of Joseph Gutierrez-Coronado and Mariana Hermosillo . The other side is a Theresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo daughter of Geronimo Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Mathiana or Mariana Lomelin. Both Miguel Gutierrez- Coronado and Theresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo married 20 of Jan. 1731 . I can't figure where/what the Parents of these two belong .

Thank you for time

Ronnie

I have been trying to find my grandparents Teodoro Duran and Anastacia Viramontes they may have been born about 1830's thank you to anyone that can help me out.

Hello everyone, I've been away from my research for a few years and have recently started in again. I was wondering if anyone could help me with the translation on the link I've included. I have gotten out of practice in these three years I've been inactive. My ancestor, Refugio Berumen on the right page was always referred to as "hija natural ". This is the only document that named her father as Cayetano Gonzales, but I would have expected "hija ilgitima", instead it's another word that I've not seen before and can't quite make out. If anyone is familiar with it please let me know.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K3X-GD?mode=g&cc=1804458

I hope this is the right place to introduce myself. I am here because of my children and grandchildren, descendants of the Bernals from Aguascalientes. Most of the ancestors are from Asientos, but other Ranchos (I think they're ranchos) are the following: Jaltomate, Santa Rita, Chalchihuites, San Jose de Garcia, Rincón de Romos, Rancho La Carreta, Tepesala, and Sierra de Pinos. The information about the family can be found here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jking2000

On a personal note, I lived in Mexico for 20 years (12 in México, DF, and 8 in Xalapa, Veracruz) where I played with several of the symphony orchestras. I am living in Canada since 1986. My children were both born in Mexico City. My son and his 3 boys live in Australia, and my daughter, here in Canada, with her son and daughter. We all adore Mexico and return whenever we can.

I hope to find out more about the Ranchos, of course. I've started reading....

Por cierto, hablo español. Me da gusto que me hayan acceptado a este grupo. Muchas gracias! Thank you!

Joan King (Spouse Antonio Leopoldo Bernal Krizman, deceased)

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone help me and tell me what this says about my ancestor Antonio
Escoto y Tovar. The writing on the Jalostotlilan records are very hard to
read

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FM9R-2Y?i=65&wc=3J4Y-DP8%3…

Danny C. Alonso

Danny Aonso: Unos de mis bisabuelos fue:

Toribio Hernández de Arellano
1534–

BIRTH 1534 • Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
DEATH UNKNOWN • Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico

Marcy Marquez Dulka

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2. Re: Possible Toribio Hernandez (Danny Alonso)----------------------------------------------------------------------
2Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 18:34:43 -0800From: Danny Alonso To: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Possible Toribio HernandezMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Daniel and Mr. Ricci,i've always enjoyed all of your theories and Daniel, I actually have a lotof questions about some of the ones about some of the families I come from,but about the Hernandez de Arellano family, i was wondering what you boththink the reason is that no one is named after Toribio. in the Romo deVivar's theres a bunch of people named Diego and in the Martin deSotomayor's a bunch name Andres, but in the Hernandez de Arellano family icant think of one person name Toribio, doesnt that seem strange?Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Im trying to find the parents of don Joseph de Villalobos and Doña Melchora
Gutierrez. They had children in the 1690s and probly earlier too. she died
in 1711 in aguascalientes but it doesnt name her parents. theres a death
record in 1699 for a joseph de villalobos that was married to a melchora
but it doesn't name his parents either. im just wondering whether anyone
knows the parents for this couple.

Danny C. Alonso

Alguno de ustedes de casualidad tiene los padres de la pareja formada por Felipe Lopez y Francisca Gonzalez cuyo matrimonio fue el 1 de julio de 1662 en Teocaltiche.

Ellos tuvieron como hijos al menos a:

-Juan, bautizado el 8 de febrero de 1681 en Teocaltiche y casado el 22 de mayo de 1707 en Aguascalientes con Isadora Ramirez Ramirez.

-Maria Bautizada el 14 de Octubre de 1685 en Teocaltiche

Gracias.

I'm asking for help from my fellow Rancheros. I have family line to Joseph Manuel Alvarado and Perfecto Alvarado. Both have daughters one named Maria Dionisia Alvarado the other Maria Daria Alvarado. I found birth and marriage records that are so confusing and seem to point to possibly Joseph Manuel and Perfecto are the same person. However, documents show how the scribes constantly crossed reference the wrong Daria Alvarado or Dionisia Alvarado. They both married a Tello who were cousins.

Can someone help me confirm if Daria/Dionisia may have married the other cousin once the husband passed away. I will need to send the records for your review to help establish a definite conclusion and solve the confusion. I will be glad to communicate via personal email to better submit the records.

Thanks.

Yolie

Acta original del entierro de don Juan González de Hermosillo, quien falleció el día 6 de enero de 1666 en Juanacatlán, pero su cuerpo traído a Jalostotitlán para enterrar.

[Foja 14 vuelta] "1666 a.s - Ju.o gonçales de hermosillo =
En seis de henero de mill seisçientos y sesenta y seis años, traxeron a enterrar de la Ju.on de XonaCatlán a Juan Gonçales de hermosillo, resçivió de mano del P.e Fr. P.o de San andrés el S.to dio confesso no pudo resçivir el S.to viático avía hecho en la enfermedad, muchas veçes. testó Juntam.te con su muger ana gonçales ante el B.r Gaspar Cortés hurtado de mendoça, correxidor que fue de Colimilla en veinte de febrero del año pasado de mill seisçientos y sesenta y çinco; declar tener pasadas las mandas forçosas tener dichas las misas q.e por dho testam.to avía mandado deçir y lo rrebocó = dexa una manda de çient pesos a María de hermosillo, su yja viuda = no dexa otra obra pía, erederos sus yjos. mandóse enterrar en este pueblo de Xalostotitlán; enterréle con vig.a cantada y missa cantada de cuerpo presente = díxoce la misa de la cofradía del S.mo S.to con vig.a cantada = díxozele la de las ánimas y la de la soledad, con vigilias cantadas = . . . Fr. Ju.o Góm.s de Santiago (rúbrica).”

Aquí la misma acta pero transcrita con ortografía moderna y sin abreviaturas...

[Foja 14 vuelta] "1666 años- Juan González de Hermosillo =
En seis de enero de mil seiscientos y sesenta y seis años, trajeron a enterrar de la Jurisdicción de Juanacatlán a Juan González de Hermosillo, recibió de mano del Padre Fray Pedro de San Andrés el Sacramento dio confesso no pudo recibir el Santo viático había hecho en la enfermedad, muchas veces. Testó Juntamente con su mujer Ana González ante el Bachiller Gaspar Cortés Hurtado de Mendoza, corregidor que fue de Colimilla en veinte de febrero del año pasado de mil seiscientos y sesenta y cinco; declar tener pasadas las mandas forzosas tener dichas las misas que por dicho testamento había mandado decir y lo rebocó = deja una manda de cien pesos a María de Hermosillo, su hija viuda = no deja otra obra pía, herederos sus hijos. Mandóse enterrar en este pueblo de Jalostotitlán; enterréle con vigilia cantada y misa cantada de cuerpo presente = díjose la misa de la cofradía del Santísimo Sacramento con vigilia cantada = díjosele la de las ánimas y la de la soledad, con vigilias cantadas = . . . Fray Juan Gómez de Santiago (rúbrica).”

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18450-50456-97?cc=1874591&wc…

Suerte primos...
SFHL

Christoval Gomes b. 1680 m. Dona Maria Rodriguez *(Familysearch.org LRH4-N4C)
​

Juana Gertrudis Gomes b.abt.1701 most likely Agostadero Pinos, Zac.
m. Don Joseph Vicente Morquecho Quixas b. abt. 1688 with a dispensa Primer Grado in 1732

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B39L-2G

(Son) Francisco Bonifacio Morquecho Gomes b. 1734
m. Maria Dionicia Delgado P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior(5xG)

(Son) Juan Thomas Morquecho Gomes b.1742
m. Maria Josepha Raphaela Delgado P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior(5xG)

(Daughter) Maria Phelipa Rosalia (4xG) abt. 1743
m. Julian Delgado Gomes b.1741 P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior

(Daughter) Barbara Morquecho b. abt. 1735
m. Domingo Anastacio Gomes P. Juan Baltazar Gomes Ruiz y Catalina Bernarda Aguilar
Note: Juan Baltazar’s parents are Mathias Gomes de Sotomaior y
Ysavel Ruiz de Villasenor (Abalos)

(Son) Esiderio Morquecho b. 1725
m. Maria Antonia Gomes P. Juan Baltazar Gomes Ruiz y Catalina Bernarda Huerta
Note: Juan Baltazar’s parents are Mathias Gomes de Sotomaior y
Ysavel Ruiz de Villasenor (Abalos)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW1D-X

I have searched for the dispensa that would give Juana Gertrudis age but I did not see find it. Her brothers found are andres Gomes b. 18 FEB 1704 Pinos, and Thoribio Gomes 21 MAY 1705, Pinos. Her son Esiderio b. 1725 is 7 years before the Dispensa which is probably why they had to get a Dispensa.

Does anyone know where else to look for the dispensa? Perhaps someone has or knows of this family and possibly know if Christobal Gomes is part of the Gomes Martin, Ruelas de Sotomaior family and possibly know who Dona Maria Rodriguez is? There are a lot of Rodriguez interwoven in this family as well as Delgado. Thanks, Simona

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He descubierto algo muy interesante, ¿a lo mejor tendra alguien mas informacion sobre esta linea?

En mis lineas tengo a Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, radicados en Jalostotitlan. Desciendo de su hija Maria Alvarez, casada con Joseph Macias de Ayala en Aguascalientes en 1703.

Segun la genealogia dada en el siguiente blog, Diego Magdaleno es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y de Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I es hijo de Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) y de Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno nacio en Tordesillas en el 1554, hijo de Alonso Mejia y de Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Pasaron a Indias Geronimo e Isabel en el 1583, acompañados por su hija Francisca Mejia Magdaleno y su esposo Juan Salceda Andrade. Vivian en Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apell…

Da la misma genealogia Guillermo Lohmann Villena en su “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=ger…

Se base esta genealogia en la Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre de un nieto de Geronimo Magdaleno, el Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda, hijo de Juan Salceda Andrade y de Francisca Mejia Magdaleno. Se realizo la Prueba en el año 1651 y en España, lejos de Valladolid, Michoacan:

ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe

Tengo dudas sobre esta genealogia. En ni uno de los demas documentos encontrados en los PARES-AGIS, tratando de los Magdaleno en Valladolid durante aquella epoca, sale el apellido compuesto "Mejia Magdaleno"; lo que si sale es "Magdaleno de Mendoza."

Y mas, segun la confirmacion de oficio de Geronimo Magdaleno cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en 1602, dice que su padre es FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, que estaba casado con Elvira de Mendoza:

ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo

Hay mas: al mirar los archivos de FamilySearch en Morelia entre los años 1594-1621, ni sale el nombre de Isabel de Soria como esposa de Geronimo Magdaleno, sino el de Maria Cecilia Patiño (hija del Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Ni salen los apellidos "Escudero" ni "Soria," como era normal dar a por lo menos una hija el apellido maternal para no perderlo.

Entonces, ¿es posible que hay dos Geronimo Magdaleno Regidores de Valladolid, Michoacan, con hijas nombradas Francisca casadas con Juan Salceda? Por lo citado, solo hay uno y es hijo de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza y casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño (tal vez con Isabel de Soria en 1o?), y que la genealogia de los Magdaleno dada en la Prueba de 1651 es falsa o por lo menos falta una generacion; que se equivocaron los testigos o mentieron.

Mira, de la Prueba de 1651, sale el arbol asi:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, ella 1560, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (paso a Indias en 1583, ya casada, ¿cuando su madre tenia 23 años?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (27-30 años en 1651:b. 1621-1624)

Y de mis investigaciones, mis fuentes siendo PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, y "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" por Heriberto Moreno Garcia, parece asi:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian en Valladolid, Mich; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño. En Mexico, 1590-1600 (aunque puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, hacia 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda (b. 1621-1624)

Falta una generacion en la genealogia de la Prueba de 1651, y que no es posible que Juan Salceda y Francisca Magdaleno ya estaban casados en 1583, cuando solo tenia la madre de ella 23 años. Mas, su hijo Nicolas Salceda tenia 16 años cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en el 1658 (b. 1641-2).

Para orientarnos:

Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño bautizaron a:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.

Se ven sus nombres y los de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza con frecuencia en los bautismos y matrimonios en Morelia entre 1597 y 1611, como padrinos o testigos.

There was a question on another genealogy site regarding a baptism record. In the margin under the child's name was, C.A. The record read: Ynft ciud. Agr. I've never seen wording like this before-Ynfante Ciudadano Agraciado(?) In other records people were listed as C.d E- Ciudadano del Estado? I don't know where the record in from but still would like your input. Thanks.

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

does anyone have information where the informacion matrimonial are for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon. the matrimonios go back to 1600s but the informacion
matrimonials start in 1888. they have to be somewhere else. does anybody
know where theyre at?

Danny C. Alonso

Hello, I am interested in the couple Jose Antonio Castellanos & Maria Luisa Navarro. They are my fifth great-grandparents and I am having trouble finding any information on them. M. Luisa is especially important as she is the furthest line in my mtDNA that I've been able to track. Here is what I know:

Maria Luisa Navarro was born abt. 1787 near Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. She married Jose Antonio Castellanos (same age estimates) around 1806 near Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. I was able to locate two daughters: i. [Maria Primitiva Castellanos Navarro (born about 1811 in Santa Clara, Ocotlán) who married Jose Abato Padilla Ortega on 25 Mar 1829 in Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. They had three sons I could locate: Fermin Padilla Castellanos (6 Jul 1833, Ocotlan), Jose Catarino De Jesus Padilla Castellanos (24 Nov 1838, Ocotlan) and Benigno Padilla Castellanos (12 Feb 1841, Ocotlan)...]

ii. [&&& my 4th maternal great-grandmother Magdalena Castellanos Navarro (born about 1816 in Santa Clara, Ocotlán) who married Jose Camilo Navarro Vargas (BIRTH ABT 1810 in Pochote, La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico) on 29 Jul 1830 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. They had two children I could locate: M. Francisca Navarro Castellanos (3 Apr 1833, La Barca) and Antonio Navarro Castellanos (abt 1836, prob La Barca)]

Both daughter's marriage records as well as their daughter's children's maternal grandparents are named as some variation of Jose Antonio Castellanos & Maria Luisa Navarro.

I have seen a record for a Maria Carlota Castellanos Navarro whose baptism date was 14 Oct 1805 in Ocotlán but the parents are listed as only Jose Castellanos and Maria Navarro. Those were common last names so I don't want to assume.

Also, I found a record with an Antonio Castellanos who married a Magdalena Navarro on 9 Jan 1780 in Ocotlán and had a daughter named Magdalena on 27 Jul 1784 also in Ocotlán. However, none of Antonio and Luisa's children's or grandchildren's records show Luisa listed as Magdalena so again I don't want to assume.

Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Vanessa

Hola a todos nuestros amigos de nuestros ranchos. Hoy quisiera preguntar si alguien tiene alguna informacion acerca de esta hacienda llamada san bartolome en aguascalientes. se que el dia de hoy existe una con el nombre de san bartolo al sureste de la ciudad de ags. Me pregunto si es la misma que tiempo de la colonia tenia el nombre de san bartolome. Mi pregunta es por el motivo de que al casar en santa Maria de los lagos Mi primer ancestro conocido con el apellido cardona. Llamado Francisco de Cardona que caso en 1673 con Luisa Gonzales o de Rodas. comenta ser originario de esta hacienda en la villa de Aguascalientes y ser hijo de Otro Francisco de Cardona y la mama lleva el apellido Carvajal. Gracias por su ayuda de antemano y seguimos en contacto.

I need help reading a document. Can someone help me please.

I have attache the file. The one for Hernandez Sabino please.

Thanks

Maria Cortes