Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hello,

My name is Lino Martin. I am the 12 descendent of Blas Martin del Campo tracing back to 1520 from Spain. I follow the lineage of Bartolome Martin del Campo who is the 1st to Nueva Galicia with two borthers. Bartolome settled in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco.

Of further interest, both my father and mother are descendents of Blas, 1st connecting with Manuel Martin del Campo, born in 1765. My mother's great-great grandfather and my father's grandfather were brothers. They say I turned out normal!

If that were not coincidence enough, my mother's mother is also a Martin. Her mother's grandfather is Rafael Martin, married to Maria de la Cruz Barba Franco from La Jolla, Jalisco. Well, it's a small world!

I am unable to trace Rafael back to his connection with Blas. I have posted a file with my findings. Any help connecting Rafael would be appreciated.

By the way, the existing files, emails and other content members have posted have been of great help filling in holes. I have many primos among you! Thank-you to all that have taken the time to contribute.

Anyone related to this families.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mexicodesconocido.com.mx/amp/note/1757

https://www.amazon.com/Los-Altos-Jalisco-Padrones-Parroquiales/dp/15053…

thought some of you might be interested in this book

joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Well, after many years of searching I finally found a record that listed the names of great great grandparents. I am thrilled beyond and beyond.. :) It seems my great grandparents got married in church in 1949 and in Runge, Texas the marriage register lists their date and place of baptism for both my great grandfather and great grandmother. It states that Pilar Valdez was baptized in 1899 at San Miguel Mesquitic, mexico and Romana Tobar was baptized in 1889 Real de Pino, Zacatecas, Mexico. Her parents were Victor Tovar and Maria Guerrero. My problem now is trying to find those records. I have gone through the Zacatecas records in Family Search and found the town of Pino, but not the parish Real de Pino. Can someone tell me if I am even looking in the right place or where I could find this parish? Thanks in advance.

Juanita Torrez Henniger

Hola Jesus ,como estas ? Ojala que bien. Halle una dispensa de Miguel Abalos y Catherina Cordero -rollo #168662 -El ano -1684-1799 Image # 24 donde dice que los padres eran Miguel Abalos y Maria Basquez de Abila ---Fernando Cordero y Maria de Bocanegra. Si vas al la dispensa de Juan de La Trinidad Hermosillo y Maria de La Trinidad Abalos -rollo # 168070 Image # 150 y dice que Maria Abalos se caso Tomas Cordero. Luego que Isabel Abalos y Bernandino Abalos son Abuelos de los prentensos. Todo esto me tiene confundido. No se que es la Abuela/Abuelo de quien ,o Tomas es Fernando Cordero pero Tomas se caso con Maria Abalos y Fernando con Maria Bocanegra. Que piensas ,? Ojala me intiendes porque yo no intiendo .
Ronnie

Hola Marcelina (Fabiola),

He estado buscando la information que me mandaste sobre Los Carvajal pero no Lo encuentro. Te pido que me hagas el gran favor de mandarlo otra vez aqui. He encontrado muchas piezas de el rompe de Cabezas de Los Carbajal y Cuevas y necesito empezar a junta las piezas.

Ya encontre como los Carbajal tienen relacíon con la Casa de Los Mendoza. Tambien he encontrado una lists de mucha de la familia de los Carvajal que vinieron a las Americas.

Gracias,
Ricardo A. Ricci

Perhaps someone has already answered this question. If yes, let me know so I can look in the old posts. If not, does someone know if both Agueda de los Santos Coy and Agueda de Pena are the same. Thanks for the help.

Nicolás de los Santos Coy De la Cerda
1634–Deceased • KHVB-5TD
Maria Velasco Y Pena
1634–1704 • KDMH-LYH
Marriage: 22 Jul 1657
San Luis Potosi, Slp, Mexico
Children (1)
1. Agueda De Los Santos Coy 1659–Deceased • LZZ4-68X cc: Francisco Cardenas

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLF-5J

I found a record for Francisca de Pena hija de Francisco de Cardenas and Agueda Pena
Franca. Pena (b abt. 1680)is married in 1700 in Charcas to Francisco de Rivera Espanol de la cuidad de SLP hijo de Juan de Rivera y de Gregoria de Alfaro

Do you think they are the same Aguedas?

Que Tal a Todos, Mi nombre es Juan Michel, Soy originario de la Ciudad de Guadalajara y al igual que Todos interesado en encontrar cada vez mas información de nuestra Familia, Desde ya hace muchos años he tenido contacto con documentos y personas que me han acercado en poco a poco ir descifrando algunas dudas, mismas que muchos tienen, Principalmente sobre el origen de los Michel, hablando exactamente de los Neo gallegos, Familia Fundadora de Guadalajara.

Sabemos Que venían Con Españoles, sin embargo en muchos documentos Tanto Diego de San Martin y Juan Michel son nombrados como Portugueses, y hablantes de una lengua o dialecto extranjero, , sin embargo en aquel Tiempo los españoles tambien llamaban ¨Portugues¨ a alguien venido del Puerto o bien ser Extranjero, no precisamente Nacido en Portugal.

Recientemente he encontrado algunos datos que dan un pequeño giro a lo que todos sabíamos hasta ahora sobre el origen de nuestros Famosos Ancestros.

Existe un documento fechado en 1511, de un viaje a Indias de un par de Hermanos, a la isla de Puerto Rico llamados Juan Michel y Diego Michel (coincidentemente se llama Diego) según libros ellos Recibieron vecindades el mismo año en la isla y fueron encomenderos, en el caso de Juan Michel tuvo el cargo de Gobernador de Algunas ciudades como La isla de San German y San Juan (actual capital Boricua) al parecer estuvieron Muchos Años en aquellos lugares.

Otros Documentos Detallan sucesos Como la petición de una Licencia al Rey por parte de aquel Juan michel para llevar de Puerto rico a España a un Chico de 18 años llamado Cristóbal (coincidentemente se llama Cristóbal)en aquel documento detallan que es un Indio Naboria, sin embargo en otra petición de licencia detalla perfectamente y menciona y explica que Cristóbal el chico de 18 años no es indio, sino Español, tanto en aspecto, como en acento y que por ello debe viajar a España.

En lo personal Creo que hay muchísima coincidencia con los nombres y fechas y Podria ser posible que aquel Juan michel realmente fue tio de cristobal y cristobal hijo de Diego Michel ( Posible Diego de San Martin) quien También es padre de Nuestro Fundador Juan Michel, eso coincide con los datos de que Diego de San Martin y Elvira Ordoñez tuvieron 2 hijos Juan y Cristobal.

Otro dato importante es que en muchos documentos de la fundación de Guadalajara se mencionan a dos Juan Michel, incluso en la lista de fundadores se menciona a un Juan Michel como Portugues y al otro como Montañez, eso podría justificar que el Juan michel Portugues podría haber sido el que estuvo en Puerto Rico y hermano de Diego Michel quien también es denominado Portugues y el otro Juan Michel seria el hijo de Diego y Elvira, y sobrino del otro Juan Michel.

Algo muy importante es que encontré en un libro llamado silent heritage algunos datos sumamente claros que constatan que Nuestro Juan Michel Nacio en Genova Italia y es hablante de Italiano, claramente menciona que es hijo de Diego de San Martin y Elvira Ordoñez, lo menciona en varias partes, asi como hermano de cristobal.

También explica en el mismo que según datos Diego de san Martin se caso 2 veces, primero con Elvira y después con Maria Corral, y al parecer Tambien Elvira contrajo segundas nupcias con Sebastian de Grijalva, con quien procreo a Juana Velazquez, (media Hermana de Juan y Cristobal) esposa de Diego Vazquez de Buendía (importante fundador) se sabe que Juana Velazquez y diego Vazquez fueron el primer matrimonio de Españoles celebrado en Guadalajara.

como podrán darse cuenta esos nuevos datos aportan una nueva idea sobre el origen de nuestra ilustre Familia,

Seguire Escribiendo poco a poco sobre lo que he encontrado.

un saludo

Juan Michel B.

In the familysearch.org website now you can view such things as testamentos, escrituras online. You click on the link such as testamentos, the scroll down to see the list and dates. On the far hand right there will be a camera symbol that you click on and you are taken right to the documents:

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bautho…

Resulta que estoy buscando a mis ancestros Contreras, llegue a un punto donde ya no encuentro información, me acabo de dar cuenta que ya no hay registros en FamilySearch de Calvillo antes de 1770 , encontré porque antes de esa fecha la parroquia a la que pertenecian era la de Tabasco Zacatecas, pero ahora tanto Calvillo como tabasco tienen otro nombre, Calvillo era Valle de Huejucar y Tabasco era Valle del REfugio la Mecatabasco.

y se sigue complicando también hay registros en TEocaltiche de las misma Familia, por lo mismo de Tabasco solo hay de 1750 en adelante apreoximadamente.

La pregunta es como buscar , con que nombre y en que estado , ya que Teocaltiche es JAlisco , Tabasco es Zacateca y Calvillo es Aguascalientes.
t turns out that I am looking for my ancestors Contreras, I reach a point where I no longer find information, I just realized that there are no records in Calvillo's FamilySearch before 1770, I found because before that date the parish to which they belonged The one of Tabasco Zacatecas, but now both Calvillo and tabasco have another name, Calvillo was Valley of Huejucar and Tabasco was Valley of REfugio the Mecatabasco.

And continues to complicate also there are records in TEocaltiche of the same Family, so from Tabasco there are only from 1750 onwards approximately.

The question is how to search, with what name and in what state, since Teocaltiche is JAlisco, Tabasco is Zacateca and Calvillo is Aguascalientes.

Daniel

My cousin and research partner, Dave has Saucedo's from Teocaltiche:

Juan Zacarias Saucedo was baptized in Teocaltiche on the 16th of June 1721. … Juan, the legitimate son of Xptoval Sausedo and of Feliciana de Udabe. The godparents were Isidro de Udabe and Maria de La Serda and all are mestissos… The godparents Isidro de Udave and Maria de La Serda are Juan Zacarias’s maternal grandparents.

Some of the Saucedo's moved to Calvillo.

Rose

Do we know who were/are the original owners of these "ranchos?

I have ancestors with the last name "Si" also attached to the last name of Trexo (Trejo} from El Salto de Los Trexos, Tlaltenango Sanchez Roman.

Two questions:

1) Is the last name "Si" Chinese? This surname first appears attached to Jose Tomas Trejo Si, born in 1807, whose parents were Jose Antonio Crecencio Trejo Robles and Juana Maria Si.

2) Was there a large ranch whose name was El Salto de Los Trexos within the Tlaltenango?

Alguien sabrá donde es Rancho Seco Teocaltiche, actualmente.

The descent from Cerdic, 1st King of Wessex to King Edward III to Margarita Gutierrez Rocha

1. Cerdic, 1st King of Wessex
2. Creoda
3. Cynric, King of Wessex
4. Ceawlin, King of Wessex
5. Cuthwine
6. Cuthwulf
7. Ceolwald of Wessex
8. Coenred of Wessex
9. Ingild of Wessex
10. Eoppa
11. Eafa
12. Ealhmund of Kent
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13. Egbert King of Wessex
14. Aethelwulf, King of Wessex
15. Alfred the Great, King of Wessex
16. Edward the Elder, King of England
17. Edmund I, King of England
18. Edgar, King of England
19. Ethelred II (Ethelred the Unready) King of England
20. Edmund II (Edmund Ironside), King of England
21. Edward the Exile, heir to the throne of England, died two days after arriving at England, leaving the throne bare.
22. Saint Margaret of Scotland, Queen of Scotland
23. Edith of Scotland, Queen of England
24. Empress Matilda (Maud)
25. Henry II, King of England
26. John "Lackland" King of England + Eleanore, Countess of Provence, Queen E.
27. Edward I, King of England +Leonor, Princess of Castile, Queen of England
28. Edward II, King of England + Isabella, Princess of France, Queen of England
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29. Edward III, King of England (aka Edward of Windsor) b.13/Nov/1312, Windsor Castle.
+ Elizabeth of Suffolk
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30. Elizabeth (Isabel) (illegitimate daughter of King Edward III)
+ Sancho Martinez de Leiva (Iron Arm/el Braso de de Hierro) Sancho was highly appreciated by King Edward III for his service in combat. He was a favorite of both the King of England and the King of Castile.
Sancho descends from King John Lackland's sister, Queen Eleonor of Castlie.
Elizabeth and Sancho are fourth cousins. Edward I's wife was a first cousin to Sancho's great grandfather which is the closest relationship. Edward III was a third cousin to Sancho's mother, as she also descended from English and Castilian royalty.
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31. Juana Garcia de Leiva
+ Diego Lopez de Zuniga, Sr. De Frias y de Bejar, Justicia Mayor del Rey,

32. Pedro de Zuniga, Conde de Ledesma y Plasencia, Justicia Mayor del Rey and Alguacil mayor del Rey,
+ Isabel Guzman

33. Diego Lopez de Zuniga
+ Aldonza de Avellaneda

34. Isabel de Zuniga y Avellaneda
+ Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza

35. Juan Hurtado de Mendoza, 5th Sr. De Moron

36. Rudy Diaz de Mendoza
+ Catalina Arellano del Rio

37. Maria Mendoza
+ Luis Marin (b1491)

38. Mariana Mendoza m.1550
+ Cap.Juan Zaldivar (born 1520-1525)

39. Maria Zaldivar Mendoza m.abt.1554
+ Balthazar Temino de Banuelos

41. Anna Maria Banuelos m. Aft.1543
+ Francisco Figueroa de Carbajal b.abt1520

42. Francisca Figueroa Temino de Banuelos b.1548
+ Rodrigo de Carbajal, I (b.1535)

43. Rodrigo de Carbajal II
+ Melchora de los Reyes Rodriguez

44. Rodrigo de Carbajal b.abt 1603, m. 12/Sep/1628
+ Juana Lomelin y Benavides abt 1610 daughter of Italian Carlo Lomelini

45. Leonor Carbajal Bracamonte b.abt.1631, m.abt 1660
+ Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (b.1635, d.24/June/1699)

46. Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Carbajal
+ Esteban Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza

47. Micaela Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza (c.29/May/1698) m.10/Feb/1716
+ Jose Munoz de Nava ((b.abt1698)

48. Jose Antonio Munoz de Nava
+ Gertrudis Garcia de H. y Franco (Aka Gertrudis Ramirez y Franco)

49. Juan Manuel Munoz de Nava
+ Apolonia Marquez

50. Maria de la Trinidad Munoz de Nava m. 20/Aug/1821
+ Jose Francisco de la Trinidad Martin del Campo

51. Jose Luis Deonicio Martin del Campo c.17/Oct/1822, m.29/May/1844
+ Maria Vicenta Florencia Pedrosa

52. Maria Campos y Pedrosa, m. 9/Feb/1859
+ Felipe de Jesus Gutierrez y Munoz

53. Maximiana Gutierrez y Campos b.1876, d. 13/Nov/1934
+ Ciriaco Rocha (b.1871)

54. Margarita Rocha Gutierrez, b.1910,
+ Pablo Lomelin, b.5//Jan/1905

Source book mygenes2000 by R.A.Ricci

Ya me para en la búsqueda de mis ancestros, llegue hasta Juan Jose Contreras que su esposa fue Maria Antonia Gonzalez, sus primeros hijos son Juan de Dios Contreras Gonzalez y Luciana Maria Contreras Gonzales sus registros de bautizo son de Teocaltiche Jalisco, de alli los siguientes aparecen en Colomos Calvillo, pero no encuentro registro ni el calvillo, ni en Teocaltiche de Juan Joseph Contreras, solo he buscado de FamilySearch.

Agradecería mucho que me comentaran como puedo seguir con la busqueda.

I saw this book that is interesting called the Mapping of New Spain:

http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo3626921.html#.WRpD…

I have the marriage records of another pair of brothers married to another pair of sisters. The sisters are Catharina De la Paz y Cortez and Francisca De la Paz y Cortez. The brothers are Manuel Antonio Perez Franco de Paredes and Joseph Joachin Perez Franco de Paredes.

Manuel Antonio Perez Franco married Catharina de La Paz y Cortez, and Joseph Joachin Perez Franco married Francisca De La Paz y Cortez.

Both couples married on the same day, on the fifth of June in 1737. The brides are the daughters of Antonio De La Paz y Cortez and Antonia Frias de Ybarra.

The brother's father's surname is Perez Franco but I am unsure of the first name. Their mother is Gertrudis de Hermosillo.

Here is the link to the marriage records: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYQT?mode=g&i=380&wc=3J4P-…

I believe that Antonio de La Paz y Cortez descends from the Geronima Benavides/Cortez and Paez (Paz) lines.

The brothers and the sisters are related through "tercer con quarto grado " so there should be a dispensation for both marriages.

Thank You,
Rick A. Ricci

Happy Morther's Day!

Many people have the parents of Alonso Perez Toriello as Andres Perez and Maria Torillo. Many years ago, Jaime Holcombe gave different information in his submissions. He gave two siblings to Alonso, along with the different sets of parents. I was confused by Jaime Holcombe's submission, as he was the only one in the family with the Peres Toriello surname. After much research I discovered that the father that Jaime Holcombe said was Alonso's father had Portuguese ancestors with the surname Perestoriello, which had many explorers and sailors in the family. A few generations before Portugal, they resided in Italy, and the surname was Pallestrelli. Jaime Holcombe had not known about the father's ancestor's Perestrello connection. Was it just a coincidence, or was Jaime Holcombe correct in this case?

Until I see the evidence, I will not have parents listed for Alonso Perez Toriello, and have notes showing that there are two lines of thought as to his parents.

At this time, I seem to be the only genealogist that still has Jaime Holcombe's claim as Alonso's possible parents. There must be some evidence that Alonso's parents are Andres Perez and Maria Torillo other than that the two surnames conveniently combine to make Alonso's surname. I hope someone would just show me the evidence for these claims so that the identification is finally settled.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Are these two Juan de Dios the same person?

Juan De Dios Bernal Marmolexo (there is a sanchez as well before bernal)

Vs.
Juan de Dios de Encalada

• Both are married to women name Ydelfonsa Delgado
• Ydelfonsa and Juan de dios bernal Marmolejo have a son named Juan Bernardo Bernal Delgado 15 SEP 1699

• Juan de Dios de Encalada and Aldonza have a son named Juan Bernardo Bernal Delgado abt 1705 cc 10 Feb1723 Micaela de Salas Zapata

• They both have a daughter named Teresa 1700 One is bernal Marmolejo and the other Maria Thereza de Encalada

Thanks for the help!

Juan Delgado son of Eusebio Delgado and Pascuala cc Teodora de Ollavides (dif spellings)
He is from Pinos and she is from Asientos, Aguascalientes.

They have an IM in Pinos

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B39Q-5P

and I just found one in Asientos. In the declaration of Juan Delgado it states hL de Joseph Asebio del Gado y de Pascuala de ??? can anyone decipher surname?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PHQ-R8W

thanks for the help!

We’ve run into a challenge I’ve never encountered before. Does anyone have experience finding records from a “RESERVED” church ledger?

I’m helping a cousin research a possible mutual relative, Maria Guadalupe Romo, born 12 Dec 1893, daughter of Margarita Pedroza and an unknown assailant.

We have a civil registration in Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco dated 13 Dec 1893, for a Maria Guadalupe, no surname or parents listed. Her mother was from this area. The other hint that we’ve found the right record is that a corresponding baptismal record 14 Dec 1893 mentions that the names of the parents and grandparents are listed in the "reserved book." I suppose a child born of a criminal act might qualify for this kind of confidential treatment.

Can someone advise how we might to get information from the reserved book? Does anyone have historical contacts in Encarnación de Díaz that might assist?

This research is for an elderly aunt who is getting up in her years. We would really like to help her shed more light on her family history, including this ancestor, her grandmother.

Replies here or to myclue4u@mac.com are greatly appreciated.

I need help. I am looking for the marriage dispensation of Mariano Olivares and Maria Catarina de Avalos.

While searching on the internet I found:

[ http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2011/09/
0404 mariano olivares & catariba avalos / san juan ... 0708 mariano jimenez de sandi & juana maria ... 1085 #698 juan jose hernandez & maria catarina ...]

I can't find "0404 Mariano Olivares & Catariba Avalos." They were most likely married in the 1780's as their daughter Maria Gertrudis Olibares Avalos was baptized 27 Nov 1787 according to the following record:

Name Maria Gertrudis Olibares Abalos
Gender Female
Christening Date 27 Nov 1787
Christening Place SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Mariano Olibares
Mother's Name Maria Catarina De Abalos
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVRZ-7FF : 2 January 2015), Maria Catarina De Abalos in entry for Maria Gertrudis Olibares Abalos, 27 Nov 1787; citing SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 220,648

I am also looking for the marriage dispensation of Jose Flores and Maria Guadalupe Flores, (also from San Juan de Los Lagos).

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Is there a more likely interpretation of the date of birth when a baptism record describes an infant's as as "de xxxxx dias de nacido"? xxxxx is a number, siete, quatro, un, etc. I'd like to calculate DOB, but might be wrong by a day if my assumption is wrong. So, generally, was a child "de un dia de nacido" born today or yesterday?

Gracias,

Eduardo
San Jose, CA

Not sure if someone already posted these 480 pages. Lagunillas is a town that I had been searching since their records are damaged but not sure if there are two Lagunillas.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VYDP-T