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I see these in the sagrada mitra files. What are Cofradias

Hello all. I am Jesús Rodríguez. I am new to this endeavor, and am constantly learning new things. My main area of interest is the municipalities of Valle de Juarez (formerly known as Valle de Mazamitla), Mazamitla, and Quitupan in the state of Jalisco. La Barca and the rest of Los Altos are also of great interest. The last names I am researching are Vega, Cisneros, Chavez, and most importantly, Rodriguez.

My first goal is to trace my Rodriguez patrilineal line all the way to Spain. I am aware of how great a task that could be, especially for a surname that has been as thoroughly diffused as Rodriguez. Nevertheless, I have made some progress. Using the 1930 Census, other civil records, Church records, and help from relatives, I have been able to trace back my ancestry beyond any reasonable doubt to 1873. First, there is my grandfather, Pascual Rodriguez, born in 1902 in Valle de Juarez and son of Sostenes Rodriguez and Maria Vega. Siblings include Manuel Rodriguez (b. 1904) and Maclovia Rodriguez (b. 1906). Sostenes Rodriguez was born in 1873, baptized in Mazamitla on 1 December, and was the son of Manuel Rodriguez and Trinidad Silva, and grandson of Jose Rodriguez and Teresa Martinez.

The details get hazy from Manuel Rodriguez onward. According to the 1930 Census in Valle de Juarez, Manuel Rodriguez was 75 years old, putting his birth year at around 1855. Also according to the Census, Trinidad Silva was 70 years old, putting her birth year at around 1860. However, that would make her only 13 when she gave birth to Sostenes Rodriguez, yet she is documented everywhere else as his mother. I have yet to find any other pertinent records for Manuel Rodriguez, Jose Rodriguez, and Teresa Martinez.

Of note are some physical features of both Sostenes Rodriguez and his father Manuel Rodriguez. Sostenes and Manuel were pale, freckled, and had red hair and green eyes, for which it was rumored that they were actually Spaniards. The features that still appear in much of my family today are the clear greenish eyes and the very light skin.

I would appreciate any help or guidance in advancing my investigation and tying up any loose ends. Thanks!

TAMBIEN HABLO BASTANTE BIEN EL ESPAÑOL, ASI QUE AGRADEZCO TODA AYUDA POSIBLE SEA CUAL SEA EL LENGUAJE. GRACIAS!

Hi Everyone

There is one word I cannot read in a baptism entry:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K79Y-YV?i=398&wc=3JD4-829%…

In the entry for Joseph Miguel, mulato esclabo:

What is the first word in line 8, just before “de Petra…”?

I need to know for sure if it identifies Petra as the mother of Jose Miguel. If so, I can try to follow her line.

Very exciting! first historical documentation of African genes!

Regards
Denise

Hi Everyone

Quick question:

Does the letter "C." in front of a man's name mean Capitan?

This is a link to the document, marriage of Juan Salas and Sabina Gonzalez in Cienega de Mata in 1900:

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60436/004839513_00467/11404958?bac…

There is a "C." in front of Juan's name.

Regards
Denise

where can i go to find a marriage dispensation or something of the relevance for a jose domingo cervantes who had married maria nieves terrones on may 2,1798 in cinega de mata , jalisco mexico. 8 childrens name were found in records pertaining to cinega de mata mexico such as maria diega , antonio , feliciano just to name a few names. mothers name in marriage record of maria terrones and or domingo only lists jose cervantes mother as juana? no maiden name to her or anything has been found on as yet and they are of my 6th great grandparents.

Hello everyone,

Para Uds. que investiguen sus antepasados PADILLA en Jalostotitlan, encontré esta dispensa de 1797 para el matrimonio entre:

JOSE MANUEL DE LA ENCARNACION PADILLA JIMENEZ (baptised 08 April 1777, San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco) y RAFAELA PADILLA MUNOZ

The source is:

Marriage Dispensation: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1995 // Guadalajara // Diócesis de Guadalajara // Matrimonios 1797

Film 168098, beginning on image 292.

3 Family trees are listed to show the cosanguineidad beginning on image 297.

TRONCO COMUN #1:
José Covarrubias casó con Margarita Martín

Destos nasció:

1o: Anastasia Covarrubias casó con José Jimz. de Mendoza = 1o. Xaviera Covarrubias se casó con Juan Padilla

2o: Anna Maria Gimenes se casó con Joaquín Padilla = 2o. Rosalía Padilla se casó con Agustín Muñoz de Nava

3o: Manuel de la Encarnación Padilla, pretendo = 3o: Juana Muñoz se casó con Juan Padilla

= 4o: Rafaela Padilla, pretensa

_______________________________________________________

TRONCO COMUN #2:
Cristóbal Padilla casado con Triana Gutierres
Destos nasció:

1o: Josefa Padilla se casó con José Jimenez de Mendoza = 1o: Juan Padilla se casó con Ana. Martín

2o: José Jimenez se casó con Ana María Covarrubias = 2o: Juan Ante. Padilla se casó con Ana. Gertrudis Muñoz

3o. Ana María Jimenez se casen con Joaquín Padilla = 3o: Juan Padilla se casó con Juana Muñoz

Manuel de la Encarnación Padilla = 4o: Rafaela Padilla, pretenda

_______________________________________________________

TRONCO COMUN #3:
Cristobal Padilla y Ma. Luisa Gutierrez
Destos nasció

1o: Francisco Padilla se casó con Ana Muñoz = 1o: Juan Padilla se casen con Ana. Martín

2o: Cristobal Padilla se casó con Agueda Martín = 2o: Juan Ante. Padilla se casó con Ana Gertrudis Muñoz

3o: Joaquín Padilla se casó con Ana. Ma Jimenez = 3o: Juan Padilla se casó con Juana Muñoz

4o: Mnl. Padilla, pretenso = 4o: Rafaela Padilla, pretensa

Saludos de
Kassandra

Jose urbano married Guadalupe lopes in 1857 a dispensa was needed for 2nd with 3rd anyone know where i could find san luis potosi during this period?

Jose urbano married Guadalupe lopes in 1857 a dispensa was needed for 2nd with 3rd anyone know where i could find san luis potosi during this period?

Presentación personal / Personal Introduction

Saludos a todos / Greetings everyone,

I am new to the group, although not so new to doing Los Altos genealogical research. My name is Kassandra Brenot; I am the great-grand-daughter of a Los Altos couple who came to the U.S. during the cristero war.
About 25 years ago I began researching my family roots in Los Altos, thanks to my Marquez cousins and the Somos Primos group in the greater Los Angeles area (including Mimi Lozano and Mary Lou Montagna and the stellar work they all got me going on, for which I shall be forever indebted). While my professional and family duties have pulled me away from my passion for genealogy over the course of the past twenty years or so, through some recent unexpected encounters through my work I have reconnected with my Los Altos roots...

I am the head of an all girls, Catholic boarding school in Monterey, California and have discovered that a few of the families at my school are Los Altos families! Knowing the prevalence of endogamia amongst los alteños, I figured we must be related so.... during my summer vacation, I dug back into my old files and jumped online and have been helping these families get started on researching their lines.

Lo and behold, we are related and we are now looking to start a small Los Altos research group here on the Monterey Peninsula. We had our first mini-get together last night with a small group that represented Ramirez, Loza, Campos and Gutierrez. Some of the members of these families immigrated only within the past 20 years, while others immigrated in the 1950s, settling in the Salinas Valley. As for my own family, it was my great-grandparents María Gonzalez Muñoz and José Lorenzo Loza Muñoz who emigrated from San Miguel el Alto to Carpinteria, California in 1926. Some of the names I am researching farther back in my lines (in the areas of Jalostotitlán, San Juan, Aguascalientes and Ayo el Chico) are the following:

Baeza
Becerra
Camacho-Riquelme
Fernández de Rueda
García de Miranda
González de Rubalcava
Hernández de Arellano
Hurtado de Mendoza
Lomellini
López de Fueresclava
Muños de Nava y Estrada
Loza y Linares
Lozano Vásquez
Machuca
Ornelas
Vásquez Cermeño

Through this group, I hope to fill in a few holes I have in my chart, as well as to help guide some of these families as they begin discovering the joy of researching their Los Altos family history. What I also hope to learn more about through this group is the rich history and traditions of the Los Altos region: I was only about 8 when my great-grandmother died so what little I know about Los Altos is what I have read about, found online, or heard about through cousins, grandparents and family friends.

(Hablo español)

Saludos a todos,
Kassandra

i have a miguel martin married to efigenia de lira several children were born to them such as bernardino, lucas, bernabe rosa and or lugarda martin. all children were baptized around cinega de mata, mexico searching for parents of miguel martin and i think his birthdate is around 1700 roughly as marriage for him stated it was in 1790 in cinega de mata, mexico. i found a record for the time period and would like to know if this is him ?https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…~

Hello,
I am looking for any information about this hacienda. It seems it was a large on in Aguascalientes,Jalisco. The people had to travel to Cienega de Mata to register births, marriages, and deaths. I would like to learn more about this hacienda and it's people/workers. Does anyone know where I can look for this information? I would really appreciate it.

Estoy buscando informacion sobre la Hacienda de la Punta. Si alguien me puede ayudar en donde puede ver la vida y las personas que Vivian alli. Te lo agradezco.

Virginia

my search so far has taken me to the 9th great grandparents of me known as francisco de lira and or barbara perez. their daughter was efigenia de lira who had been born roughly 1702 and was baptized: Cinega De Mata, Jalisco, Mexico. she had married my bernandino martin and had known children names such as lucas, bernabe or lugarda martin. still having hard time trying to find out anything about bernandino martins parents who was a miguel martin. a marriage record was found concerning miguel martins marriage as 1719 in cinega mexico. dna matches me to perez sanchez and many other names associated to me. where can i go to find older records as im stuck in some areas ? thanks and god bless stephanie

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

Thank you Jon I hope members of the group take advantage of this well taught (I say that because I know you are teaching it) webinar,

joseph

From: Jonathan Walker [mailto:mexicanfhr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes; joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Mexican Research Webinar

Joseph,

I am sending this email to you directly, because the last few times that I have tried posting to the group, I haven't seen the message go through.

Legacy Family Tree puts on research webinar every Wednesday, on August 23rd, they are putting on a webinar titled "How to do Mexican Research and be Successful". The website is www.familytreewebinars.com . I will be the presenter. It might be something that Nuestros Ranchos, might be interested in.

Thanks,

Jon Walker

Can anyone help read this record?

I read Diego mason de rutia cc Maria de Sotomayor parents of
Joan born 2 July 1602

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GG2L-1BS

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

i have a question about Luisa de Villegas that is married to Pedro macias
valadez. i'm trying to find out who her parents are and ive seen on
Nuestros Ranchos that there are posts that say she's the daughter of
Francisco Solano de Villegas Calderon and Francisca jimenez Altamirano. Ive
also seen trees that say that but i never seen a record that shows that and
im just trying to see if there is some record that says that.

Danny C. Alonso

Alguien tiene informacion, referencias o tips sobre la Hacienda de San Jose del Maguey en Fresnillo 1800-1850? listas de pobladores o trabajadores o su historia, DONDE CONSULTAR.
Gracias
Humberto Pro
frio@prodigy.net.mx

Hello,
I am new to this site. Doing research on my great grandmother and her family from Aguascalientes area. My grandfather was born at a place called Hacienda de la Punta to an Apolonio Gallardo and Magdalena Victorino Rico. Does anyone know if this place still exists? I would love to visit if it does. His birth was registered at Cienega de Mata.
Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Virginia

HOLA COMPAÑEROS

En la búsqueda de mis ancestros, encontré en family search a esta persona MARIA INES PEGUERO ROSALES, quien seria como mi 11 abuela en varias ocasiones le han cambiado la madre.

según la madre se llama MARÍA MANUELA CORTES DE MOCTEZUMA. Hija de ISABEL MOCTEZUMA I Y HERNAN CORTEZ.

Busco mas datos en la historia sobre estos personajes y no encuentro.

Alguien que me pueda ayudar a descifrar por donde investigar esto.

https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LVQC-SV6/details?parents=L6DG-FLT_…

HOLA COMPAÑEROS

En la búsqueda de mis ancestros, encontré en family search a esta persona MARIA INES PEGUERO ROSALES, quien seria como mi 11 abuela en varias ocasiones le han cambiado la madre.

según la madre se llama MARÍA MANUELA CORTES DE MOCTEZUMA. Hija de ISABEL MOCTEZUMA I Y HERNAN CORTEZ.

Busco mas datos en la historia sobre estos personajes y no encuentro.

Alguien que me pueda ayudar a descifrar por donde investigar esto.

https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LVQC-SV6/details?parents=L6DG-FLT_…

When a marriage record say this "Ambos dispensados por el Sr. Provisor en este Obispado en la nominacion conciliar" Does it mean that there is a marriage dispensation?

Tengo esta información sobre Petronila:

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Source: http://gw.geneanet.org/mfdelaf?lang=en&p=francisca+ana&n=gabay

http://gw.geneanet.org/jeandelage1?lang=en&p=petronila&n=arias+de+valde…

From the book Moctezuma's Descendants in in Aguascalientes:

"In addition to locating the baptism of Ana in 1553, we discovered a 1594 marriage document from the Archdiocese of Mexico City which provides the following information: "X'poval [Christobal] Sotelo Valderrama natural de esta ciudad hijo legitimo de Diego Arias Sotelo y Don Leonor ---- [unreadable] - difuntos [deceased]." Christoval was the brother of Petronila Sotelo alias Petronila Moctezuma, who represents the next generation of this family."

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Parece que mis hijos tambien son decendientes. Sus ancestros son, en su mayoría, del estado de Aguascalientes. Tenemos el BigY de dos de mis nietos, y FamilyFinder para ellos, una sobrina nieta mia, y mi nieta (hija de mi hija), todos de la misma familia. Disafortunadamente, las líneas maternales de ellas no son de México. Sería interesante comparar…

GedMatch:

T894954

T228105

T755319

T615792

GENERATION 4: PETRONILLA MOCTEZUMA (born 1552)

PETRONILA SOTELO MOCTEZUMA was probably born around 1552 in Mexico City. It is believed that in 1571 she was married to MARTIN GABAI DE NAVARRO, also known as MARTIN NABARRO. A marriage of Petronila and Martin has not been located yet, however, they were referenced several times as an ancestral married couple "Martin Nabarro" and "Petronila Montesuma" in a 1703 Diocese of Guadalajara informacion matrimonio document for a marriage that took place in Nochistlán. The known children of Petronila Sotelo (alias Moctezuma) and of Martin Gabai de Navarro are shown below:

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 20:19:49 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] petronila de moctezuma

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Buenas noches a todos los miembros de este foro un cordial saludos todos los interesados sobre la dinastía Moctezuma yo desciendo de lope ll ruiz de esparza y ana franca gabay por 6 hijos de esta pareja , ana francisca gabay hija de martin gabay el navarro y Petronila Moctezuma. alguien sabe sobre algún documento donde se demuestre que Petronila Moctezuma es bisnieta del emperador Moctezuma? esperemos resolver este misterio sobre la ascendencia de Petronila de Moctezuma agradezco la atención prestada muchas gracias

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Alguien me podría decir donde es Arroyo SECO, actualmente en Teocaltiche.

Hay manera de comparar DNA? Se supone que mis 3 nietos y una sobrina nieta son descendientes de Moctezuma por medio de mi marido, pero hace muchas generaciones, desde luego...

FTDNA

703926 21277 609379 521437

GedMatch

T894954 T228105 T755319 T615792

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Una gran parte en este grupo descendemos de Moctezuma. Daniel

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