Im researching-Torres, Valencia, Del Toro in JIlotlan de los Dolores Jalisco but I can't seem to find records before 1800. Is there another place where I should be looking instead. Is anyone else in this group researching I in that area of Jalisco?
Thanks
Aaron Torres
Nota completa sobre el libro "México insólito en Europa" de Miguel Gleason:
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Saludos Primos! My Name Is Aaron Torres, I live out In Washington State. I am researching on my fathers side Torres Ramos and Cisneros Velasquez from Mazamitla or Valle De Juarez(Valle De Mazamitla). Also on my fathers side I have Valencia, Zepeda, Mendoza from Cotja De la Paz.heres some of the information that I have. I can’t seem to find records dating back before 1800 in Mazamitla or Cotija.
1. Francisco Torres; born abt.1795 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; He Married Maria Carmen Ramos probably around 1825-1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco, Mexico. She probably died around 1890-1895 in Aguililla, Michoacan.
2. Children of Francisco and Maria Carmen are:
3. i. Vicente Torres born abt. 1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; died 1898 in Aguililla, Jalisco.
4. ii. Agapito Torres born abt. 1843 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1909 in Coalcoman ,Michoacan:Married Maria Cisneros married abt 1867-1870; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez
5. iii. Crecencio Torres born abt.1836 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; Married Trinidad Cisneros;daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez;had a son Lorenzo Torres baptized in 1866 in Mazamitla, Jalisco
Baptism record for Lorenso
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GT9K-JT
6. iv. Felipe Torres born abt.1845 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1896 in Aguililla, Michaocan: Married Eusebia Cisneros; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez
Guadalupe Sisneros and Ramona Velasquez also had a son named Manuel(I know this from my 85 year old great uncle) found a record of him being born 1852 but the mother being Ramona Velasco. And a Felipe Torres and Carmen Ramos as padrinos. Found a marriage record on a Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velasco not sure if it the same familiy.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTF9-D?i=127&cc=1874591
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5M98-G3?cc=1874591
This is as far back back as I could go on Torres and Cisneros families, I can’t find anymore information on them.
For the Valencia side from Cotija
I have Vicente Valencia born around 1800 married to Dolores Zepeda born around the same time.They had a son named Geronimo Valencia born abt.1825 in Cotija;died 1893 in Aguililla, Michoacan. married Francisca Mendoza around1854 in Cotija.
I matched with someone on Ancestry dna as 4th-6th cousins having a Tiburcio Valencia and Margarita Zepeda born around the same time as Vicente Valencia im thinking they could be brothers.
If anyone shares any of those surnames and places let me know I would really appreciate the information.
I had found a personality of our pueblo of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:
http://oi64.tinypic.com/jg6zyu.jpg
Original source is on top left:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FS3M-H7?i=9&wc=3JHM-HZ9%3A…
A defunto record of Capitan Juan Sebastian Orenday (Orendain) year 1727. It seems like he was the Capitan Protector of our pueblo Huejuquilla El Alto.
I have tried to look for information on him in the PARS archives and can't find any.
Do any of you out there have any information on him that you can share with me because I want to keep a track of personalities of history of our pueblo and region. Thank you.
Saludos Primos! My Name Is Aaron Torres, I live out In Washington State. I am researching on my fathers side Torres Ramos and Cisneros Velasquez from Mazamitla or Valle De Juarez(Valle De Mazamitla). Also on my fathers side I have Valencia, Zepeda, Mendoza from Cotja De la Paz.heres some of the information that I have. I can’t seem to find records dating back before 1800 in Mazamitla or Cotija.
1. Francisco Torres; born abt.1795 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; He Married Maria Carmen Ramos probably around 1825-1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco, Mexico. She probably died around 1890-1895 in Aguililla, Michoacan.
2. Children of Francisco and Maria Carmen are:
3. i. Vicente Torres born abt. 1828 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; died 1898 in Aguililla, Jalisco.
4. ii. Agapito Torres born abt. 1843 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1909 in Coalcoman ,Michoacan:Married Maria Cisneros married abt 1867-1870; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez
5. iii. Crecencio Torres born abt.1836 in Mazamitla, Jalisco; Married Trinidad Cisneros;daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez;had a son Lorenzo Torres baptized in 1866 in Mazamitla, Jalisco
Baptism record for Lorenso
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GT9K-JT
6. iv. Felipe Torres born abt.1845 in Mazamitla, Jalisco;died 1896 in Aguililla, Michaocan: Married Eusebia Cisneros; daughter of Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velaquez
Guadalupe Sisneros and Ramona Velasquez also had a son named Manuel(I know this from my 85 year old great uncle) found a record of him being born 1852 but the mother being Ramona Velasco. And a Felipe Torres and Carmen Ramos as padrinos. Found a marriage record on a Guadalupe Cisneros and Ramona Velasco not sure if it the same familiy.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTF9-D?i=127&cc=1874591
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5M98-G3?cc=1874591
This is as far back back as I could go on Torres and Cisneros families, I can’t find anymore information on them.
For the Valencia side from Cotija
I have Vicente Valencia born around 1800 married to Dolores Zepeda born around the same time.They had a son named Geronimo Valencia born abt.1825 in Cotija;died 1893 in Aguililla, Michoacan. married Francisca Mendoza around1854 in Cotija.
I matched with someone on Ancestry dna as 4th-6th cousins having a Tiburcio Valencia and Margarita Zepeda born around the same time as Vicente Valencia im thinking they could be brothers.
If anyone shares any of those surnames and places let me know I would really appreciate the information.
Mr. Clark,
Juan Moscoso y Sandoval is an Ancestor mine. I dont have Baltasar Moscos y
Sandoval in my records can you tell me who he was married to so I can add
him to my tree
Danny C. Alonso
Hello,
I'm hoping someone is related to the Covarrubias family from Cañadas , Jalisco. Or has knowledge of where they are originally from. Especially related to Jose Maria Covarrubias and Tecla Gomez from the 1800's. thanks !
Domingo Perez and Juana de Alva got Married in Aguascalientes on July 24,1707 some of my researchthey had a Daughter born 1720 in Teocaltiche also a son Calletano Perez born about 1735. Calletano Perez Married Maria Ynes Garcia Romo born abt 1725. then on july 10 1754 Married Maria magdalena Chavez her and Calletano had a son Andres Perez born 1770 Arroyo Seco and died 1, January 1830 in Arroyo Seco. Andres Peres was Married to Maria Luisa Villalpand.my question is anyone related to them or have info on them thanks.
Hola a todos.
Estoy investigando si José Guerra Valadéz cc Ana Vázquez Zermeño el 27 de mayo de 1703 en Lagos es el mismo que José Guerra Valadéz cc Águeda Díaz del Castillo, del cual no tengo fecha de matrimonio, pero si la Fe de Bautismo de su hijo Manuel Jacinto Guerra Valadéz (B. 03 sep 1721 Santa María de los Lagos).
Por las fechas es muy probable sean la misma persona, pero no tengo documento que lo compruebe.
Por su parte, entre la descendencia de José Guerra Valadéz y Águeda Díaz del Castillo se encuentran los famosos sacerdotes:
- Pbtro. Miguel Leandro Guerra (B. 01 marzo 1769 Lagos), nieto.
- Primero Obispo de Zacatecas Ignacio Mateo Guerra y Alba (B. 27 sep 1804 Encarnación), bisnieto.
- Segundo Obispo de Zacatecas José María del Refugio Guerra y Alba, bisnieto.
En cambio, la ascendencia de José Guerra Valadéz cc Ana Vázquez Zermeño es la famosa familia Macías-Valadéz:
- Padres: Alonso Guerra Valadéz e Inés Rodríguez Gallardo.
- Abuelos: Mateo Macías Valadéz Retamosa y Catalina Guerra López de Nava.
- Bisabuelos: Nicolás Macías Valadéz y Leonor Vázquez Retamosa.
Me encantaría tener la información y los documentos que comprueben que ambas líneas son la misma.
Saludos.
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Hello to everyone.
I am searching if Jose Guerra Valadez cc Ana Vázquez Zermeño at may 27 of 1703,Lagos, is the same one as José Guerra Valadéz cc Águeda Díaz del Castillo, couple from wich I don´t have marreige date. However I do have the chistening of their son Manuel Jacinto Guerra Valadéz (sep 03 1721 Santa María de los Lagos).
It is highly probable that both Jose are the same person, due to the dates, however I don´t have any documento that proves it.
By the way, between the descendants of José Guerra Valadéz and Águeda Díaz del Castillo are the famous priests:
- Pbtro. Miguel Leandro Guerra (B. march 01 1769 Lagos), grandson.
- Zacatecas first Bishop Ignacio Mateo Guerra y Alba (sep 27 1804 Encarnación), great grandson.
- Zacatecas second bishop José María del Refugio Guerra y Alba, grandson.
Instead, the ancestry of José Guerra Valadéz cc Ana Vázquez Zermeño is the famous family Macías-Valadéz:
- Parents: Alonso Guerra Valadéz and Inés Rodríguez Gallardo.
- Grandparents: Mateo Macías Valadéz Retamosa and Catalina Guerra López de Nava.
- Great grandparents: Nicolás Macías Valadéz and Leonor Vázquez Retamosa.
It would be wonderful if someone has information or documentos about it, and with that prove that both lines are teh same one.
Cheers and sorry about my english.
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Dear Primos and friends:
In celebration of July 4th, may the profound importance of the American Revolution fill you with gratitude and thankfulness for our great nation and the continuing sacrifices being made to maintain the freedoms we enjoy.
With special thanks to Dr. Carlos Campos y Escalante for the considerable information he sent for the July issue on the many successful voyages and global travels of early Spanish explorers. He also gathered data on the DNA of Mexico, the Indigenous, and the British, showing our connected historic humanity. You will find an enthusiasm and growing involvement in heritage projects, which is really exciting. Do search them out and get involved in one or more heritage projects. We all benefit.
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Probably some of you already know about a book that has just been released about some sephardic families living in northern Mexico, here is a copy paste of the info:
En las instalaciones del Archivo General del Estado se llevó a cabo la presentación del libro "La Herencia Sefardí: familias y sus descendientes que vivieron en la parte más oriental del valle del Guajuco, lo que ahora es Allende, Nuevo León”, a cargo del coordinador del libro, Jorge Salazar Salazar y de la investigadora Mónica Montemayor Treviño.
Durante esta presentación que fue posible gracias al gobierno del estado de Coahuila y al archivo mismo, se contó con la presencia de un público que gusta de la historia, entre ellos, historiadores, genealogistas y estudiantes.
Lucas Martínez, director del archivo, dio la bienvenida a los presentes destacando la publicación a presentar como un gran logro de quienes intervinieron en la obra y cuyos resultados fueron los esperados y con el objetivo cumplido de haberlo realizado.
También adelantó que próximamente se presentarán nuevas publicaciones que engrandecen la investigación histórica de la región.
En su intervención, Mónica Montemayor destacó que este libro es el resultado de un proyecto que se realizó para que una familia tuviera la posibilidad de adquirir el certificado Sefardi, del cual orgullosamente puede mencionar se obtuvo gracias a esta publicación, en donde fueron varias personas que participaron en ella para su elaboración.
UNA COMPLETA INVESTIGACIÓN
"Es una obra de 608 páginas, que abarca a 1262 personas de quienes se detallan actas de nacimiento, matrimonio y defunción, es decir 185 árboles genelógicos graficados de manera descendente y lineal, al presentarse también la investigación familiar de las esposas y el modo en como se relacionan entre sí las familias”, comentó.
Se puede apreciar que la herencia sefardí existe en especial en pobladores que habitaron lo que hoy es Allende, Nuevo León, pero que también abarca áreas como Montemorelos, Linares, Villa de Santiago, General Terán y Monterrey, dijo.
Por su parte, Jorge Salazar Salazar, especialista en Historia Familiar y coordinador de la obra, mencionó en este trabajo tuvo la colaboración de varios especialistas, por ejemplo Benicio Samuel Sánchez García, que es el presidente de la Sociedad Genealógica y de Historia de México; Yuri Saldívar Parra, que es vicepresidente de la Sociedad Genealógica, así como del estudiante Eduardo Ríos, y Mónica Montemayor Treviño.
Para este trabajo y como resultado se puede apreciar en el contenido los árboles genealógicos, costumbres, tradiciones, un panorama de los fundadores, el lenguaje que era un español ladino, las comidas, entre otros aspectos.
Benicio Samuel Sánchez García, por su parte, comentó también parte de la realización de la obra, la cual se prolongó por más de un año de trabajo.
14 GENERACIONES
De igual manera se aprecia en este libro un estudio entre los años 1600 a 1990, cuyo resultado son 14 generaciones de pobladores con herencia sefardí, es decir descendientes de los judíos que habitaron y vivieron en España, y que al residir en México lo hicieron en lo que antes se llamaba El Guajuco, hoy Allende, Nuevo León. El nombre de sefardí responde a un orígen bíblico.
El capitán Juan Cavazos y su esposa, Inés Garza fueron los pilares de esta investigación, la cual tardó más de un año y cuyo resultado, luego de su presentación del libro en España, fue la obtención del cerfícado sefardí.
Entre los vestigios de la investigación, la expositora comentó hay varios apellidos que son de herencia sefardí, tales como Salazar, Marroquín, Garza, Montemayor, Carrasco, entre otros, por lo que se recomienda consultar el libro, pues las ventajas de obtener un certificado sefardi es la oportunidad de la nacionalidad española y de la Comunidad Europea, lo que brinda oportunidades en distintas áreas.
Finalmente la expositora mencionó algunas tradiciones de la comunidad sefardí, y que hasta el momento pueden continuar, tales como las reglas al cocinar, que son en una vajilla especial y en vasijas especiales para cada guiso, el lavarse las manos hasta el codo, o incluso después de ir a un funeral regresar a casa y bañarse, entre otras, finalizó.
El libro está diseñado para que quien lo desee lo pueda consultar y si se cuenta con abuelos con origen norestense, es mayor la posibilidad de obtener un certificado sefardí, obviamente bajo las investigaciones sobre el árbol familiar de cada uno.
Hola primos,
Alex M and I have been collaborating on our early Nochistlan lines, going through partidas, dispensas and padrones. This is an edit of an email I sent him, regarding the Benavides-Cortes lines, and trying to reconcile some dispensas we’ve found with what Don Mariano Gonzalez-Leal has in “Retoños,” and with what Don Jaime Holcombe proposed in his “Varias Cartas.” Since many of us descend from these lines, I thought I might share it here.
Some of this has been touched upon in earlier NR threads, this one in particular: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20210
My main objectives are:
1) To solve the “Geronima de Benavides Riddle,” determining which one was married to (A) Francisco Paez, which one was married to (B) Gonzalo Yañez and which to (C) Diego de Aguayo, and determining how each descends from Diego de Benavides;
2), To determine the pedigree of Catalina (or Catarina) Cortes, who was married to Juan Moscoso y Sandoval;
3) To determine whether Luis de Benavides was the son of Diego de Benavides (as per Retoños) or of his son, Geronimo de Benavides (as per various dispensas);
4) To determine how the Aramburu/Arambula descend from Diego de Benavides.
Here are 10 dispensas that I’ve picked through, with my notes. Please compare with your trees & notes: comments, corrections and insights are all welcome, this is an open collaboration. I am also working on Delgadillo de Frias, which I hope to post before summer’s end.
Gracias y saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
BENAVIDES-CORTES
Cast of characters:
Diego de Benavides and Pedro Cortes, early Spanish settlers in Mexticacan; names of wives, unknown (N.N.).
Catalina Cortes “I” daughter of Pedro Cortes & N.N., married to Geronimo de Benavides.
Catalina Cortes “II” married to Juan Moscoso y Sandoval.
Geronima de Benavides “A” married to Francisco de Paez.
Geronima de Benavides “B” married to Gonzalo Yañez del Monte.
Geronima de Benavides “C” married to Diego de Aguayo.
Geronimo de Benavides, son of Diego de Benavides and N.N.; Married to Catalina Cortes I.
Juan de Benavides, son of Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes I; m. N.N.
Luis de Benavides “I” son of Diego de Benavides and N.N. (as per Retoños); m. N.N.
Luis de Benavides “II” possible son of Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes I; m. N.N.
Maria de Benavides, daughter of Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes I; m. Carlos Lomelin.
DISPENSAS
1. Thomas de Paez con Francisca de Torres (Geronima de Benavides A)
2. Bernardo Gonzalez Dominguez con Josepha Lozano (Geronima de Benavides B)
3a. Gaspar Lomelin con Maria Medinilla (Geronima de Benavides A or B)
3b. Nicolas de Carvajal con Maria Medinilla (Geronima de Benavides A or B)
4. Diego Delgadillo con Ysabel de Aguayo (Geronima de Benavidez C)
5a. Carlos Carrillo-Duran con Magdalena Sandoval-Bezares (Geronima de Benavides C)
5b. Juan de Sandoval-Bezares con Maria Duran-Ruiz de Esparza (Geronima de Benavides C)
6. Juan de Esquibias & Maria Yñiguez (Geronima de Benavides B)
7. Manuel Lomelin-Aramburu con Antonia Ximenez-Delgadillo (Geronima de Benavides B)
8. Lucas Lomelin con Juana de Esquibias (Geronima de Benavides B)
DISPENSA 1. THOMAS DE PAEZ CON FRANCISCA DE TORRES (Geronima de Benavides A)
27 Mar 1686 Jalos; 3o con 4o de consangunidad por dos lados iguales, Paez y Lomelin; Hermosillo)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18418-15365-43?cc=1874591&wc…
Summary: this one establishes that Geronima de Benavides A, daughter of Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes I, was married to Francisco de Paez (or Paz) from Mexico City, corresponding with what’s in Retoños:
Tree 1i.a TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes I
Maria Benavides-1-Geronima Benavides A
Domingo Lomelin-2-Francisco Paez
Joseph Lomelin-3-Thomas Paez
Francisca de Torres-4
1i.b PARENTESCO 2
Micaela Hermosillo-2-Ana Muñoz
Francisca Torres-3-Francisca Sanchez
- - - - - - - - 4-Tomas Paez
DISPENSA 2. BERNARDO GONZALEZ DOMINGUEZ CON JOSEPHA LOZANO
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23385-39?cc=1804458&wc…
5 May 1680, Nochistlan
Dispensa 4o con 5o consanguinidad; Yañez y Sandoval
tt Juan de Alba, Esp casado y vzo de Mexticacan 44; Sebastian Yñiguez Esp casado y vzo de Mexticacan 50; Lorenzo Mexia Esp Vdo Vzo desta Felig Dueño de Labor de Trigo 72.
Summary: this dispensa is probably one of- if not the source of the genealogy that Gonzalez-Leal gives in Retoños. The pretensos are descended from two siblings, Luis de Benavides and Geronimo de Benavides, but the dispensa is confusing, because the notary changes Geronimo de Benavides’ gender on img232-L, about 1/3 of the way down: <<…-ente Cattalina Cortes Difunta hija legitima que fue de la dtha Geronima de Benavides abuela de la contrayente>>
Here’s the parentesco:
2i. TRONCO: Diego de Benavides & N.N.
Luis de Benavides-1-Geronimo de Benavides
Geronima Benavides B-2-Catalina Cortes II
Maria Yañez-3-Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval
Luis Gonzalez-4-Josepha Lozano
Bernardo Gonzalez-5
Though it establishes that Geronimo de Benavides had a brother named Luis, from whom the Yañez descend, this contradicts other dispensas, which have Catalina Cortes II as daughter of Juan de Benavides-Cortes - in which case, the pretensos would be at 5o grado, and the dispensa wouldn’t be necessary:
Katy Brecht, Claudia Casillas and Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton have done amazing work indexing the Guadalajara dispensas.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23858
I made this post yesterday looking for a dispensa from 1708, which is when I realized not all dispensas in Guadalajara up to 1799 have been indexed. I made a list of FS films which have NOT been indexed to help everyone.
FS # Years
168360 1708-1709
168609 1773-1783
168060 1779-1795
168062 1779-1795
168610 1782-1789
168611 1787-1789
168612 1789
168080 1789
168081 1789
168613 1791-1792
168614 1792-1795
168090 1794
168615 1795-1796
168616 1796-1798
Also 168366 1723-1724 is indexed and on guadalajaradispensas.com but it is not listed in the site index. Here is the direct link.:
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2013/03/1723-1724-fhl-source-film-1…
Thank you so much for your work Katy Brecht, Claudia Casillas, Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton and the other associated volunteers. I owe a lot of my tree and many saved hours to you!
Alex
Hola a todos los compañeros del foro,,, por desgracia hay muchas partidas matrimoniales que se destruyeron por un incendio en la parroquia de Jalostotitlan por esos andes de 1700 no se encuentra nada de Jalostotitlan y San Juan y San Miguel el Alto Jalisco,,, nos apoyamos para poder abanzar nos ayudamos en el libro de Gonzalez leal y de Dispensas de Luz Montejano, pero esto no esta 100% completo, asi que necesitamos revisar las dispensas a continuacion pondre una lista de los rollos que ya fueron revisados por Luz Montejano y otros que no para que nosotros nos pongamos de acuerdo y entre todos los compañeros de nuestrosranchos hagamos los indices ya una compañera Claudia Casillas ya tiene una pagina donde tiene unos indices podriamos mandarselos a ella para que los subiera a su pagina,, no se que piencen
años de rollo rollo fojas hojas rollo estatus de revision
Matrimonios 1635-1692 167971 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1636-1699 593
Matrimonios 1638-1699 168604 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1653-1829 167989 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1662-1688 167977 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1664-1730 167982 652 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1676-1829 167990 617 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1681-1687 167972 341 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1684-1799 168662 474 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1686-1800 168111 616 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1687-1749 167988 620 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1689-1796 168112 614 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1690-1691 167978 102 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1690-1709 167979 938 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1693-1712 167981 394 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1694-1796 167991 557 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1696-1733 168113 344 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1699-1707 168358 615 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1700-1705 168605 625
Matrimonios 1701-1712 168043 617
Matrimonios 1705-1720 168606 630
Matrimonios 1707 168359 512
Matrimonios 1708-1709 168360 725
Matrimonios 1709 168361 201
Matrimonios 1710 168362 425
Matrimonios 1710-1712 168363 627
Matrimonios 1712-1718 168364 205
Matrimonios 1712-1721 167972 670
Matrimonios 1713 167983 115 luz montejano claudia casillas
Matrimonios 1713-1715 167984 936 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1716-1718 167985 623 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1717-1718 167986 506 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1720-1723 168607 619
Matrimonios 1721-1723 168385 402
Matrimonios 1722-1748 168608 460
Matrimonios 1722-1799 167973 90 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1723-1724 168366 623
Matrimonios 1724-1725 168367 622
Matrimonios 1725-1726 167994 556 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1727 168369 348
Matrimonios 1727-1729 168370 616
Matrimonios 1727-1734 168054 648 indice paguina 20
Matrimonios 1728 167995 731 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1729 168371 620
Matrimonios 1729-1731 168114 721
Matrimonios 1729-1733 168372 621
Matrimonios 1730 167997 862 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1731-1732 168116 456 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1731-1735 167999 715 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1732 168117 617
Matrimonios 1733-1734 168055 288
Matrimonios 1733-1740 168773 262
Matrimonios 1735-1819 168000 278 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1743-1754 168374 346
Matrimonios 1745-1746 168001 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1746-1747 168003 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1747 168004 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1747-1749 167987 582 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1748-1750 168006 630 luz montejano claudia casillas
Matrimonios 1749-1750 168007 534 luz montejano claudia casillas
Matrimonios 1751 577210 801
Matrimonios 1752-1753 168009 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1752-1754 168011 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1753 168010 luz montejano
Matrimonios 1754 168375
Matrimonios 1754-1755 168375
Matrimonios 1754-1760 168012
Matrimonios 1755-1759 168377 379
Matrimonios 1756 168015
Matrimonios 1757-1758 168017 448
Matrimonios 1757-1759 168022 629
Matrimonios 1757-1762 168026 837
Matrimonios 1757-1772 168024 953
Matrimonios 1758 168018
Matrimonios 1759-1760 168020 675
Matrimonios 1759-1761 168021 623
Matrimonios 1760-1766 168013 614
Matrimonios 1761-1762 168034 1313
Matrimonios 1762 168379 625
Matrimonios 1762-1763 168032 233
Matrimonios 1762-1764 168028 621
Matrimonios 1762-1766 168031 377
Matrimonios 1762-1768 168380 621
Matrimonios 1763 168033
Matrimonios 1763-1766 168030 395
Matrimonios 1764-1765 168029 615
Matrimonios 1765, 1795 168036 140 claudia casillas claudia casillas
Matrimonios 1766-1771 168014 168
Matrimonios 1766-1773 168040 469
Matrimonios 1768 168381
Matrimonios 1769-1770 168382 639
Matrimonios 1769-1775 168383 625
Matrimonios 1770, 1773 168044 326
Matrimonios 1770-1776 168045 622
Matrimonios 1772-1773 168051
Matrimonios 1772-1784 168047
Matrimonios 1772-1794 168048 628
Matrimonios 1772-1798 168041 623
Matrimonios 1773-1774 168053 581
Matrimonios 1773-1783 168609 777
Matrimonios 1773-1785 168049 625
Matrimonios 1773-1786 168050 532
Matrimonios 1775-1776 168384 199 claudia casillas
Matrimonios 1775-1795 168046 818
Matrimonios 1776 168385 928
As part of the indexing work we're doing with the dispensas in the Obispado de Michoacan, I stumbled upon a dispensa:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-6Z9H-5Q?i=32&cc=1883388&ca…
It's for the marriage between:
Juan Jose de la Cueva and Maria Manuela Ochoa from Tamazula, Jalisco. The dispensa was filed for the following reason
"Dispensa de tercer grado de afinidad por copula licita."
Here are the specifics on the groom and bride:
Juan Jose de la Cueva, hijo legitimo de Juan Francisco de la Cueva y Josefa Arias Maldonado, orginario de Jiquilpan y viudo de Josefa de Villasenor y Jaso
Maria Manuela de Ochoa, hija legitima de Juan Francisco de Ochoa y Gertrudis de Barragan y Balbuena, originaria de este mismo pueblo de Tamazula.
Among the witnesses we have Antonio de Villasenor who states the following:
Tronco: Juana de Villasenor, quien se caso dos veces:
* En primer matrimonio con Dn. Bartholome Mollinedo con quien tuvo a Maria Mollinedo y Villasenor. Maria Mollinedo y Villasenor tuvo a Leonor de Munguia, madre de la difunta Da. Josefa de Villasenor y Jaso
* En segundas nupcias se caso con Dn. Diego Martin Barragan y tuvo por hijo a otro Dn. Diego Martin Barragan. Este tuvo a Da. Gertrudis de Barragan, madre de Maria Manuela de Ochoa
Now, if I fill in some of the blanks with some previously known data we have a tree that looks like this:
Bartholme de Mollinedo(1) --- Josefa de Villasenor --- Diego Martin Barragan(2)
(1a) Maria de Mollinedo y Villasenor cc Antonio Munguia
(1b) Leonor de Munguia cc Felix Gerardo Villasenor y Jaso
(1c) Josefa de Villasenor y Jaso cc Juan Jose de la Cueva
(2a)Diego Martin Barragan cc ??
(2b) Diego Martin Barragan cc ? Balbuena
(2c) Gertrudis de Barragan y Balbuena cc Juan Francisco de Ochoa
(2d) Maria Manuela de Ochoa
Questions:
* Does anyone happen to know what Villasenor branch, Josefa de Villasenor(who married twice) comes from?
* Does anyone know if Dn. Bartholome Mollinedo and Josefa de Villasenor are the parents of Lorenza Villasenor y Mollinedo cc Juan de Cobian? (Based on the surnames in play here?)
* Lastly does anyone know if Antonio Munguia and Maria de Mollinedo y Villasenor are the parents of Juan Carlos Munguia cc Maria Teresa de Coria y Villasenor? (This is just a hunch given this baptism record Rick Ricci pointed out a few months back and the fact that Leonor de Munguia appears to be of the same generation as Juan Carlos Munguia and both were in Tamazula at the time):
Carlos Juan Munguia Mollinedo
Gender Male
Christening Date 18 Dec 1691
Christening Place SAN FRANCISCO,ANGAMACUTIRO DE LA UNION,MICHOACAN,MEXICO
Father's Name Antonio Munguia
Mother's Name Maria De Mollinedo Villasenor
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N216-L7Z : 12 December 2014), Carlos Juan Munguia Mollinedo, 18 Dec 1691; citing SAN FRANCISCO,ANGAMACUTIRO DE LA UNION,MICHOACAN,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 608,779.
Thanks!
Daniel Serna Valencia
I'm searching for the baptismal record of an ancestor and the book Baustimos 1805-1821 is missing years 1812-1820 starting at image 351. There are 3 records from 1814, 1 from 1815 and 1 from 1818 so it looks like no pages are missing, just content. Is anyone aware of where these records might be recorded or is this a loss cause?
Thank you for any knowledge you can share in this mystery.
Sylvia L.
I am trying to figure out the connection between the Roman Family and the Palomino family. I have found a marriage record that says the marriage took place in Chihuahua, MX and on the record it says Natividad Gonzales is from Aguascalientes. The record also mentions the partido Lerdo... is that the Liberal party? I am a bit confused and would appreciate some assistance with this record. If anyone can help me out with the translation that would be amazing. The record is for the marriage of Antonio Palomino and Natividad Gonzales.
Link: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60442/007641842_03085/3043073?back…
Thank you !
Several days ago I tried to just say thanks a lot to Daniel Méndez Camino and Kathy Brecht for their job on Valladolid dispensas; for some glitch the message just didn't go into the cyberspace but here I go again, I'm really thankful because thanks to Daniel I finally found the origin of my 5th paternal grandparent, I'had waited for that for more than 10 years!!!
The mystery was finally solved by the dispensa gocen to my 5ths in the year 1748
Me encontré con una página que trae la información sobre las dispensas matrimoniales, de Guadalajara, estoy muy contenta me ayudó mucho, pero hay años que aún no tienen información, alguien que conozca sobre esto le agradecería, que me diera tipo de como buscar porque son sin orden, busco 1876 9 de febrero calvillo.
Saludos.
I have been in search of my Grandmother's birth certificate. She was born in Guadalajara around 1934-1938, or so she thinks. Her mother died in Guadalajara in 1937 and left her an orphan to fend for herself and she was never ever able to find out her real birth date. I am pretty certain she was registered, it was pretty important to her family, every woman has been registered. I have located birth certificates since 1862 in the civil registries of Zapotlan del Rey where her family was originally located. The question is, does anyone know if there is a database i'm missing where I can look through the images for Guadalajara. I can't request is through the Gobierno website because I do not have an exact date.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GAPMblP1BRzbSogFN1qGjnTxXyEY_Bj6wNQ…
here's a list of yet to be indexed film. am i missing any in the list? i didn't include 1825 ones since i'm slowly working on them
