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Question regarding my 4th Great Grandmother Manuela Bobadilla' Parents. I've only been able to find her Defuncion Record from 6-19-1828 from Atolinga. It states her parents were Gerardo Bobadilla and Rita Contreras. When I research further I can only find Gerardo Bobadilla married to Rita Saldana. Do any Bobadilla descendants in the forum know if its the same Rita.
Manuela Bobadilla was married to Valentin Delgado.

Thanks
Ruben Rojas Delgado

Can anyone tell me where I can find records of indigenous family members in Mexico. I know there are some listed in the regular archives such as the LDS family history library but is there any other form of registering births, deaths etc of indigenous people of Mexico?
Thank you  Rossana 
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.” Darwin

This is not really an even or announcement, but I was just wondering if the admins knew of a way to code a search function in this site.

For example, I am sure several questions I would like to ask have been asked before, but I am not likely going to read past 20 or so pages of forum topics. Does anyone have the code for the webpage who might be able to put in that function?

Thanks,

Rafa

Would anyone be able to take a look at the record of Jose (at the bottom left of the page) and tell me what are the names of his grandparents? I can't the paternal grandmother's last name, I think her first name is Lucia, and I can't decipher his maternal grandparents' first names aside from his grandmother's Garcia last name.

I would appreciate if you could take a look.

Link:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GBSS-C1?mode=g&i=91&wc=3J6…

Thanks,
Rafa

Does anyone in this group have Haplogroup N.?
On the Gary Felix site there are only 4 people with this N.

I had my maternal Uncle Louis Gutierrez do the DNA test in 2006 and and he has since died. At that time they did not do an ethnic breakdown and after all this time the sample is too degraded to do it now.

All of the match's have been from Finland, Sweden, Russia and China but none from Mexico even though I can trace this Gutierrez line back to 1650 in Michoacan.

Linda Castanon-Long

Gutierrez in Michoacan until 1750 when they moved to Jalisco.

I AM RESEARCHING JUAN MARTIN TORRES, WIFE BEING XASINTA DE SANTOS.FOUND THAT SOME OF HIS KIDS FROM SAN ANTONIO DE LOS VILLALOVOS(MARIA ANGEL 1783) BUT LOOKING TO SEE IF JUAN MARTIN CAME FROM THERE MAYBE AROUND 1755 ,BUT FAMILY SEARCH DOESN'T GO BACK THAT FAR.I DID FIND A JUAN MARTIN TORRES THAT WAS BORN ELSEWHERE BUT HE IS LIST AS BEING ESP. ALL OF JUAN MARTIN TORRES KIDS IN MY LINE WERE INDIO.IF I COULD FIND OTHER REFERENCES WHERE I COULD RESEARCH THEM I WOULD GREATLY APPRTECIATE IT'  .   JOSE TORRES  HERJOE59@YAHOO.COM

I was reading a death record from Mexico City and it said the person (a female) "fallecio de fijo". She was 30 years old. What is "fijo"?

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

English:

Twice I have tried to trace back my last name past 1862, but every time I arrive at a dead end. While I have been able to trace my parents’ other last names further back (Ruiz Velasco, Aguirre, Aguirre), Ramos still remains a mystery for me, and thus I turn to you.

The man in question is Inocencio Ramos. Inhabitant of Sayula, Jalisco. I have struggled to find his birth certificate in order to discover who his parents were.

What I know:

His wedding certificate dated August 24, 1885 with Eligia Alvarez (Padilla). It says he is the legitimate son of Maria Merced Ramos and an unknown father. It says he is 22, putting his birth year in 1862-63. It says Eligia (23) is older than him.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL3G-B?i=685&cc=1874591&ca…

Eligia’s baptismal certificate has her being born in December 1862. Inocencio must have been born afterwards.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G28W-K?i=36&cc=1874591&cat…

Here is where it gets tricky. As follows are the birth certificates of Inocencio and Eligia’s children. They are important mainly because I want to know who Inocencio’s father was.

Margarita Ramos (1887). Paternal grandparents: Maria Ramos & unknown.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL9J-95?mode=g&i=221&cc=18…

Margarita Ramos (1889). Paternal grandparents: Francisco Ramos & Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL9J-TV?mode=g&i=431&cc=18…

Ruperto Ramos (1892). Paternal grandparents: Jose Ramos & Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR9S-7J?mode=g&i=142&cc=18…

Maria Bartola (1894). Paternal grandparents: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR99-RQ?mode=g&i=323&cc=18…

Francisco (1896). Paternal grandparents: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orosco
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRJK-F?i=175&cc=1874591&ca…

Maria Paz (1900). Paternal grandparents: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orozoco
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRJC-8?mode=g&i=549&cc=187…

As you can guess I am confused as to who the grandfather could be. Why was Maria’s last name Ramos before the spouse was known? Could it be that Francisco and Jose Maria are brothers? Are one of them the father? I would appreciate any help in this regard. Maybe a search for Inocencio with a different last name to a mother Maria Merced of a different last name around 1863
.
Thank you!

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Espanol

Dos vezes e tratado de buscar mis antepasados mas alla de 1862, pero cada vez no puedo. Aunque mis otros apellidos an sido mas facil (Ruiz Velasco, Aguirre y Aguirre), me atoro siempre con Ramos, y por eso les pido ayuda.

El hombre que me confunde es Inocencio Ramos, originario y vecino de Sayula, Jalisco. E tratado (sin logro) buscar su registro de bautismo o nacimiento civil.

Lo que se:

Su registro de matrimonio en el 24 de Agosto, 1885 con Eligia Alvarez (Padilla). Dice que es hijo legitimo de Maria Merced Ramos y de padre desconocido. Dice q tiene 22 anos de edad. Eso pondria su nacimiento en 1862-63. Dice que Eligia (23) es mayor que el.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL3G-B?i=685&cc=1874591&ca…

EL registro de bautismo de Eligia la tiene nacida el Diciembre 1862. Ynocencio seria nacido despues.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G28W-K?i=36&cc=1874591&cat…

Aqui es donde se pone complicado. Siguen los registros bautismales de sus hijos. Son importantes por su referncia a los abuelos paternos.

Margarita Ramos (1887). Abuelos paternos: Maria Ramos & unknown.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL9J-95?mode=g&i=221&cc=18…

Margarita Ramos (1889). Abuelos paternos: Francisco Ramos & Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GL9J-TV?mode=g&i=431&cc=18…

Ruperto Ramos (1892). Abuelos paternos: Jose Ramos & Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR9S-7J?mode=g&i=142&cc=18…

Maria Bartola (1894). Abuelos paternos: Jose Maria Ramos & Maria Merced Orosco.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR99-RQ?mode=g&i=323&cc=18…

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Does anyone have any information on Miguel Gomez and Maria Martel from
Aguascalientes, born probly around 1680. The only thing i know is there
names from their daugters informacion matrimonial that that gives there
names. There daughter Gertrudis Gomez also used the name Maria Martel like
her mom:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYM7-NTY

Danny C. Alonso

Estimados amigos de nuestros Ranchos:

Después de muchos años de investigación, he podido formar mi Árbol Genealógico, bien documentado hasta Mateo Navarro, casado con Gerónima Briseño Gaytán que a finales del siglo XVI vivían en Zamora o Tlazazalca, Obispado de Michoacán, Nueva España.

De los padres y abuelos de Mateo Navarro, tango información que aún no se ha podido documentar, según la cual sus padres fueron: Pedro Navarro nacido en Pátzcuaro y Catalina de la Cerda.
Sus abuelos: Mateo o Matheo Navarro, soldado español, casado con una hija del último emperador de Michoacán Tangaxoan II. La novia recibió el nombre cristiano de Catalina de la Cerda, por haber sido el padrino el Capitán Juan de la Cerda. Me imagino que la bautizaron antes de casarla.

Las preguntas que tengo, con la esperanza de que alguien de nuestro grupo me ayude a contestar son:

1 - Hubo dos Catalinas de la Cerda ? Una Purépecha (Tarasca), esposa del soldado Matheo Navarro y otra española, esposa de Pedro Navarro ?

2.- Alguien más sabe de la boda del soldado conquistador Mateo o Matheo Navarro con la hija del Cazonci o Calzontzin, que llevó el nombre cristiano de Catalina de la Cerda ?
Esto último según entendí sucedió entre 1522 y 1525. Lo leí hace como diez años y no tuve el cuidado de anotar la fuente, ahora no recuerdo si fué en un libro o en el internet. Entonces no puse atención,
pues núnca me imaginé que fuera mi antepasado.
Hace tres años compré un libro del cronista de Tepatitlán Don Francisco Gallegos Franco, titulado "Apellidario" y en él se menciona la dicha boda. Ahora sí me incumbe ya que mi Árbol Genealógico ha
llegado hasta el siglo XVI y existe la posibilidad de que mi Mateo Navarro sea descendiente de ése matrimonio.

Agradecería mucho si alguien me contestara con más información al respecto. Ojalá que se lleve a cabo en agosto de éste año el Coloquio de la UAA en Aguascalientes y que allá podamos vernos otra vez.

Saludos afectuosos para todos desde el Edo. de Nueva York.

En México - Bertha E. Medina Navarro de Boehm
En USA - Bertha Boehm

www.boehm-chronik.com

Need some advice, I had my DNA through AncestryDNA, since then I have accumulated a serious list of Extremely HIGH, Very HIGH and HIGH, and GOOD and Moderate. My problem whenever I contact the DNA MEMBER(S), I get a negative response or none at all, even when our trees reveal common ancestors. My tree is PUBLIC, which is easily accessible. I have notice several have their tree listed as private, or listed NO TREE in their DNA MATCH results, but, not all are PRIVATE, so I am able to access their tree and review it. Question? Is there another DNA testing entity that facilitate easier confirmation
of relation so that I or other can connect the dots, before our expiration date? I am
75 and I would love to get my tree to a respectable level. In particular my father's
lineage. What I have discovered is that we are practically related with the majority of
the founders and Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes surname. My father is another matter.
Thank you in advance. Arturo de Leon Garcia

If anyone sees jolude on your DNA matches, that's me! Would you be willing to contact me so we can help each other grow our family trees?

Thank you! 3/10/17

Hello,

My name is Vanessa Lopez and this is my first post. My paternal grandmother's line was relatively easy to trace through Zacatecas and Jalisco. I worked diligently to build her family tree in preparation for an upcoming family reunion in May. Every once in a while, I like to just google an ancestor. I did just that for Juan Chrisostomo Hurtado (1722-) and to my surprise, I discovered this amazing tree, https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Hurtado%20de%20Mendoza-Family-Tree-11, which extended back to Spain (a first for me in all of my 7 years of research.) I would like help in any of the following ways...

Do we share common ancestors based on this (unconfirmed) wiki tree? How do you feel about wiki trees in general? I am considering opting for a pro-genealogist to confirm this wiki tree information because 1300s Spanish genealogy is way beyond my capabilities.

Are you related to me (based on the attached tree segment)? I have my DNA on Ancestry and GedMatch ready for comparison.

What kinds of records are common in Spanish genealogy? I can read Spanish, but I'm only familiar with Mexican records and history.

Thanks for reading!

-Vanessa

Primos,

It occured to me that some of the NR members might be listed as DNA matches on my Ancestry DNA account. This would help locate specific lineages, and may be mutually beneficial. Please, check and see if sa2fay, Elida Gonzalez, is one of your matches, and let me know. Ancestry states I have about 448 matches for 4th cousins or closer.

La punsada que soy:)
Elida

In case you missed it, MEXICO has won its first GOLD medal of the 2012 Olympics in Mens Soccer/Football.They defeated Brazil.
Bien hecho! (Today, August 11, 2012.)

This question is from another genealogy site and I'm hoping someone can help this gentleman. The records are from Guanajuato, Mx -sorry. This is a copy & paste of his question.*****Hi everyone. I’m hoping some of you might be able to give me some insight into the listing of race on death records in Guanajuato in 1913 and 1914. I have recently found death certificates for two relatives - a great uncle and a great-great aunt, both of which listed race. They are both listed as Indigena con negra (Indigenous with Black). My initial understanding was that, at least in church records, after 1827 race was no longer indicated unless provided by the family. This is a civil registration and looking through the other records in the database, they all seem to list a race. All are listed as ______ con _______. I can’t find any pattern to how they are listed, such as x race is always listed first, y race is always listed before z, etc. I’ve also noticed in some records a race may be listed twice, such as negra con negra. It would seem to me that it is indicating parental lines, but I can’t find any online source explaining this. I would greatly appreciate any insight anyone might have on how this was recorded or should be interpreted.

Does anyone know of any websites to look up documents online that is stored at the Real Audencia of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico?

The list of names answered a question that my cousins and I have had for decades about our aunt's nickname, 'Cheva'. Her real name is Josefina. I saw that the nickname for Josefina is "Chepa". I can see how easily it would be to substitute the "p" for a "v". I wonder how you get from Josefina to Chepa, though.

Darlene
Yorba Linda, CA

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what the parents names are on this marriage for Juan Almirante and Dolores Valenzuela:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6X2S-991

Danny C. Alonso

My children are half Mexican and my son's DNA (haven't had my daughter tested), showed 2% DNA from Senegal.I was looking at the Ancestry website and reading how that is the most common African DNA.NOW...I have to use this to help me. I am fairly certain the African DNA is not from my children's Casillas line (their paternal grandmother) but it could be in the Rodriguez line (their paternal grandfather.) I have that line in the Ahualulco area. Wondering if anyone else has had any success in tracing their African ancestry in Mexico.
Katrina Link

Hola!

Quisiera pedir su ayuda en cuanto a los ancestros de Andrés Díaz de León, que era originario de Asientos y que falleció en 1777 en Aguascalientes, estuvo casado con Antonia Francisca Báez Perales, tuvieron 6 hijos: Juana María de la Santísima Trinidad Díaz de León Báez (1752-1784), María Josepha de la Santísima Trinidad Díaz de León Báez (N. 1755), María Lorenza Díaz de León Báez (1757-1783), Eusebia Gertrudis Díaz de León Báez (N. 1760), Ignacia Marcelina Díaz de León Báez (1762-1777), Luis Díaz de León Báez (M. 1786). Los hijos eran originarios del Soyatal de Maroyazgo y vivieron en Ciénega del Rincón, el Soyatal y en Aguascalientes. Me gustaría pedir de su ayuda para encontrar más información de la Familia Díaz de León. Encontré un Andrés Díaz de León Durón, también originario de Asientos, pero el falleció antes de 1775 y estuvo casado con María Estefania Carrillo Díaz de León y se casaron en Sierra de Pinos y tuvieron descendencia en las misma fechas en la Hacienda de Letras y de Encinillas. Si alguien tiene el árbol genealógico de la Familia Díaz de León y no lo pudiera compartir, se lo agradecería mucho, Gracias.

I have found the location of the 3rd panteon (Cementary) of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

On page 63 of Defunciones 1771-1785, 1787-1833 of Huejuquilla El Alto in familysearch.org.

This one defunto record gives the location as the Priest says:

"En el Cementario de esta iglesia detras del osario" year is 1779:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/1sochc.jpg

Looks like there was an old cementary behing the San Diego Parroquia Church.

This is a picture of the San Diego Parroquia Church. The one marked with blue arros is the San Diego Parroquia Church. So the old cementary would have been behind the church.

The green arrow marks the San Diego Capilla Church. Since there are two San Diego Churchs. One is the Capilla, which is small and the other the Parroquia, the larger church:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/awc6kh.jpg

So now there are three known pantones at Huejuquilla.

The current one which seems to have started around 1870's when the defunto records began to be recorded by civil records as well as the Catholic Church Records.

Then there was another one that was older that was on the edge of the town (east side) along the road and they say a school was built there. It is also behind where the hotel "Moras" is. That panteon was torn down in the 1970's.

And the third panteon is the one that seems to be during the 1700's behind the San Diego Church as the record indicates.

​Hola primos y primas,

I have this person in my lines (various times), and I’ve been racking my brains on him for the last couple of years. I think I’ve finally accumulated enough information to formulate a theory (albeit a very loose theory), which I’d like to air-out here, for review and discussion.

These are the 3 documents I will be referencing and dissecting:

I. IM: Juan Antonio Gaitan and Maria Manuela Muñoz, 15 Jun 1748, San Matias, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BPDG-3?mode=g&i=572&wc=3PS…
II. Dispensa: Nicolas de Castañeda and Maria Gomez, 9 Jun 1712, San Matias, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW39-LV?mode=g&i=489&wc=3J…
III. Dispensa: Nicolas Alonso and Petra Delgadillo, 02 Apr 1723, Teocaltiche, Jal.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6YLN-2?mode=g&i=5&wc=3J44-…

I. IM: JUAN ANTONIO GAITAN & MARIA MANUELA MUÑOZ 15 Jun 1748, San Matias, Pinos

These are my g5's, Juan Antonio Gaitan-Delgado and Maria Manuela Muñoz-Gomez. Upon first reading this IM, I was blown away, because I learned that the pretensos were 4th-cousins, and the ecclesiastical authority (bless their eternal souls!) thought it was important enough to mention​.​ They even give a tree, going back an unbelievable 4 generations:

Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas-1-Juan Gomez de Ruelas
Maria Gomez de Ruelas-2-Blas Gomez de Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan-3-Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor
Francisco Xavier Gaytan-4-Maria Dolores Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan-5-Maria Manuela Muñoz

Testigo #1 is grandfather of the bride, Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor, age 66 (ca. 1682, Zacatecas, Zac), owner if Santa Rita, and Testigo # 2 is father of the groom, Francisco Xavier Gaitan (b. 1691, Irapuato, Gto), silver miner. I'm not convinced their genealogy is accurate, due to the number of years and generations involved, and the ages of the testigos (their info is likely 2nd-hand).

GONZALO GOMEZ

I’ve been unable to find anything on Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas, but I have located his daughter, Maria de las Ruelas aka Maria Blanca. She married Joseph Gaitan-Castañeda, of SLP, some time between Oct 1649 and 01 Sep 1653, when they first appear together as padrinos, in Villa de Reyes, SLP. They would baptize 5 children in Sagrario SLP, between 1654-1665, and then move to Charcas, SLP, around 1670. They both died and were buried in Sagrario SLP. I still haven’t located their marriage records, so I don’t know where she’s from. They are the parents of Miguel Gaitan cc Antonia Arias de Bedoya, who arrived in Sierra de Pinos 1706-1708.

JUAN GOMEZ NIETO

I managed to track ​Juan Gomez de Ruelas back to Santa Fe, Gto; he was married to Teresa Guerrero aka Maria Teresa Martin/ez, and they baptized a number of children in different parts of Guanajuato, from 1654-1670. He died by 1683. On the baptism record for their first child, Juan Gomez is listed as "Juan Gomez Nieto." They might also be Juan Nieto and Maria Paredes aka Maria Mendoza, who baptized 2 sons in Nstra Sra de Gto, but I still haven't seen "Paredes" nor "Mendoza" anywhere else, so they're tentative. There was also a Juan Gomez Nieto and Teresa Pacheco whose daughter, Maria Gomez, married Juan Lopes de Cardenas 4 Aug 1669 in Sta Catalina Martir, DF. Also tentative (their timeline does allow all 3 dates).

GOMEZ DE RUELAS Y SOTOMAYOR

Juan Gomez and Teresa Guerrero are the progenitors of the "Gomez de Ruelas" and "Gomez de Sotomayor" surnames in Sierra de Pinos. Descendants also used "Gomez de Ruelas y Sotomayor," and various combinations of the 3 component surnames. Of their 7 confirmed children, most would migrate to Pinos, the first arriving in 1689; one branch settled on Guadalupe de los Pozos, another on Santa Rita, and another on Bocas, near Ojuelos. One daughter, Matiana Gomez de Ruelas (b. 12 Mar 1670, Nstra Sra de Gto), was married to Nicolas de Carrion. Note: "Gomez de Sotomayor" is also a dynastic surname originating in Spain, and appearing in other parts of Nueva Galicia. I don't know if there is a link.

II. DISPENSA: NICOLAS ALONSO & PETRA DELGADILLO 02 Apr 1723, Teocaltiche, Jal.

This one caught me eye, because the names “Gonzalo Gomez” and “Maria Blanca Gomez” appear, which can't be a coincidence - there must be a link between these 2 FGs. This dispensa has been referenced in other NR threads, and Don Jaime Holcombe cites it in his “Varias Cartas” (p 76).

A tree is given (I’ll include spouses' names):

Gonzalo Gomez-1-Maria de Islas y Moctezuma
(Augustina de Ruelas) (Andres Martinez de Sotomayor)
Antonio Gomez Garcia-2-Margarita de Sotomayor
(Francisca Flores de la Torres) (Joseph de Leon)
Maria Blanca Gomez-3-Rosa Manuela de Leon
(Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos) (Pedro Delgadillo)
Nicolas Alonso-4-Petra Delgadillo

Most read this as, Gonzalo Gomez and Maria de Islas are siblings, hence, Gonzalo Gomez is a son of Benito de la Isla-Lavezaris, who would be the tronco. I don’t agree with this interpretation.

Here is the link to a very interesting article on the Negro in Mexico:http://www.upi.com/Analysis-Mexicos-missing-blacks-Part-3/6062102091027…

here is some info on my cousins Godoy family. Please contact me and I'll
put you in touch with him if you see a connections:

Francisco Xavier Godoy who married Maria Anttonia Casas daughter of
Manuel Casas and Ygnes Guerra in Sept 14, 1741 in Tlaltenango Sanchez
Roman Zacatecas. I also show him married to Juana Maria Miramontes who
parents are Antonio Miramontes and Maria Tereza Munos on Feb 14, 1734
Francisco Godoy parents are Francisco Godoy and Maria Rosa Llamas. Same
person or brothers? I hope to find out in the next few months. I have 5
children for Francisco and Anttonia Casas, Jose Antonio, Francisco
Tehodoro, Gertrudis Polonia , Maria Francisca and Jossept Dionicio.

joseph

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