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Hello to all,

I am new to the list since last week and in this message I'm presenting my
second main line - Cadena - found in Cuquio, San Antonio de los Vasquez and
San Felipe, all in Jalisco. They were espanoles.

Earliest ancestor found is Manuel Cadena married to Ana Santiaga Jacoba
Gomes (dau. of Joachim Gomes and Maria Gertrudis Vasquez, born ca. 1754, San
Felipe/Cuquio). The only child found of this couple thus far is Jose
Leondardo Esculano Cadena, born Nov 1781 in Cuquio. Working backwards,
Manuel would have been born about 1750, but I've been unable to find a
record thus far. Manuel was dead at the time of son Jose's first marriage in
1806; Ana Gomes died between 1806 and Jose's second marriage (to Maria
Eusebia Vasquez) in 1829.

The name Cadena was quite prevalent in the Cuquio area at this time. Jose's
children were born between 1807-1819 in either Cuquio or San Antonio de los
Vasquez, which lies somewhat east of Ixtlahuacan del Rio. One of them, Maria
Francisca Romana Cadena, ended up marrying in Guadalajara to Raymundo
Gutierres of the Gutierres Rubio line found in and around Tepatitlan.

Is anyone else on the list researching the name Cadena? I'm trying to find
out where the family came from before Cuquio - directly from Spain, or
elsewhere in Mexico? Does anyone know of records besides those of the church
for this area? There are gaps in the church records that have made research
difficult. There is also the possibility that the Cadena were in Guadalajara
before Cuquio.

Thank you in advance for all suggestions.

Susan Cadena

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

could someone tell me what the words are on this baptism for Fernando
Fermin Garcia on the right page near the bottom between cinquenta y quatro
años and baptize y puze los stos oleos

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68X9-W93

Danny C. Alonso

For well over 20 years I’ve been researching my Miramontes family line finally hitting the “wall” years ago. We’ve all experienced this from time to time. I believed I could go no further beyond my 6th Great-Grandfather, Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Sandobal, Great-Grandparents whose names were recorded in their son (My 5th GGparents) Lorenzo Miramontes and Agueda de Jesus Llamas marriage record (Married 14 Jan 1741 in Tlaltenango).

For whatever reason I had a hunch the Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Gonzalez line noted in Arturo Ramos’s “Familia’s Antiguas de Tlaltenango” had some connection. I recall Arturo and I had a short communication many years ago when he was in the midst of his research of the Miramontes descendancy searching marriage records when he generously asked NR members if there was anyone in particular we might be looking for, he would keep an eye out for them. I provided the names of Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Sandoval, named in Lorenzo’s marriage record. He remarked the Nicolas Miramontes he found married to Juana Gonzalez could be the same person I was looking possibly being married to another spouse.

It occurred to me recently to examine the marriage informational records prior to this marriage. In short order these records dated 25 Dec 1740 revealed Lorenzo’s mother as Juana Gonzalez and not Juana Sandoval as noted in his actual marriage record. Apparently using one of either her paternal or maternal surnames in these records. Nicolas Miramontes was living at this time and Juana was deceased. Lorenzo’s grandparents were Matheo de Llamas both and Juana Gonsales, both deceased at this time.

This newfound information led me to the next Lorenzo and Ana Dias de Santiago generation followed by Juan Miramontes and Brigida Ortiz de Urritia.

Now as I’ve studied carefully the Miramontes Family tree in Arturo’s book and the forum discussions concerning the descendancy of the Juan Miramontes and Brigida Ortiz de Urritia to the next generation. I ask the question if it has been established if this Juan is the son of Juan Miramontes and Maria Haro y Saucedo? I have a fair working knowledge of reading Spanish but admit at times have problems following written dialog where someone is explaining relationships from one generation to another.

Any help would be welcome
Thanks

Gus Meza

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what the two words are on this marriage for my
ancestors Carlos Rovalcava and Luisa Rovalcava. The two words are right
before it say "fueron padrinos Hilario Garcia and Dominga Rovalcava"

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VK76-8

Danny C. Alonso

Is there a way to request digital copies of documents listed in PARES that are not digitized? I'm looking to get a document that is one page and looks like its just on microfilm.

Thank you

Alex

Hace algunos meses Paco Romo inicio un proyecto bien importante en Nuestros Ranchos para transcribir testamentos de Aguascalientes (http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/Indices/Fondo_Notarial/Tes…). El listado eventualmente sumo 760 testamentos, y varios miembros de NR decidimos colaborar. Yo transcribi dos la primera semana, y luego, nunca recibi respuesta al enviar el tercero. Alguien sabe como contactar a Paco, que nos sea pacoromog@hotmail.com? Tengo deseo de continuar transcribiendo testamentos cuya informacion puede servir para resolver varias ramas conflictivas.

A few months ago Paco Romo started a very important project in Nuestros Ranchos to transcribe last wills from Aguascalientes (http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/Indices/Fondo_Notarial/Tes…). The list eventually included 760 wills, and several NR members began collaborating. I transcribed two the first week, and then, never got a response after submitting the third. Does anyone knows an alternative way to contact Paco other than pacoromog@hotmail.com? I wish to continue transcribing wills since the information contained therein could help us solve several road blocks.

Leonor de Hermosillo sale en el padron de Jalos de 1650 con la edad de 9 en la estancia del Br. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo y de Leonor de Hermosillo madre del Bachiller y esposa de Miguel Gutierrez Rubio. Esta Leonor aparece en los padrones de Jalos en los 1670s como esposa de Diego de la Mota y Padilla. Depues de la muerte del Br. Lazaro Gtz de Hermosillo, dueño de la estancia de la Nascapiloya (cercas de San Miguel el Alto, Francisco Gtz de Hermosillo su hermano y Diego aparecen como herederos del bachiller (esta informacion la herencia la encontre en una carta de poder en los protocolos de Jose L. Ramirez en 1688 y 1689).

Mi pregunta para todos ustedes, sera Leonor de Hermosillo hija de Leonor de Hermosillo y Miguel Gutierrez Rubio o hija del Bachiller Lazaro?

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Has anyone heard of this couple before Estaban de Aguiar y Quiroga and
Maria Guadalup de la Vega y Rivas or sometimes just Rivas. They're from a
place called Ayo El Chico in Jalisco. They baptised a son and daughter in
1721 and 1722, but i dont know when they were married or if they have more
kids. they probly were born about 1697 or so. I havent been able to find
anything on them except their two kids.

Danny C. Alonso

Danny C. Alonso

I am working to organize a chapter here in Utah for the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society. Anyone interested in being a part of this get in contact with me. Currently there are two chapters in California. I hope to get this off the ground by this summer.

Hello, is there a connection between the names Velasco and Villalbazo? Last night when I was working on my 3rd great-grandmother's family, I discovered that she had children before my 2nd great-grandfather. When my 2nd great-grandfather Manuel Asebes was born, her name was listed as Maria Urzula Villalbazo and her father was shown as Francisco Xavier Villalbazo. It was shown this way for Manuel and his younger siblings. But when I found older siblings last night her name was shown as Maria Urzula Velasco and her father was Francisco Velasco. This was in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico in the early 1800s. I appreciate any thoughts you might have about this. Thank you.

Ventura Muñoz and Rita Martinez de Orozco fathers of Santiago Muñoz married with Andrea Solís.
This two couple were in Villa de Cos, Zacatecas from 1755 to 1815.

I found at the same years in the same town a marriage (1766) between Anacleto Apolinario Martinez de Orozco y Maria del Refugio Muñoz Marquez. She says born in Charcas, SLP. The parents of Anacleto were "padrinos" in a baptism of a son of Ventura.

Do we are in front of two brothers married with two brothers? Does somebody knows this family? Refugio says she is a daughter from Nicolas Muñoz and Manuela Gertrudis Marquez. The Parents of Anacleto are Juana de Betancourt and Eugenio Martinez de Orozco "padrinos" of baptism to Maria Estefana Muñoz Orozco a daughter of Ventura y Rita in 1777.
This is my Munoz lineage. I´m looking for the Ventura parents.
Thanks.

Me llamo Victor Eduardo Hernandez Triana​ de Colonia Hidalgo, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, y estoy formando el árbol genealógico de
mis familias. Me estoy enfocando en el apellido Triana, y los apellidos de el lado de mi madre.

Los apellidos por las que me he estado enfocando son:
Triana, Vitela, Vidaña, Fraire, Rueda, Bueno, Magallanes
La mayoría de mis descendientes vienen de:
San Miguel del Mezquita​l(Juan Aldama)
Miguel Auza
Sain Alto
Sombrerete
en el estado de Zacatecas​.

Algunas pistas que tengo sobre la familia Triana de la segunda generación, dos hermanos, el
padre de el General Martin Triana Guzman, Exiquio Triana, y el padre de el Coronel Emiliano
Triana Gomez, Gregorio Triana, fueron parientes de mi abuelo Quirino Triana. Se rumora que
eran primos hermanos. Martin Triana Guzman, Emiliano Triana Gomez, y Cipriano Triana
fueron primos hermanos, tal vez primos segundos de mi abuelo Félix Triana Vidaña por alguna
manera. No sabran como es que son parientes?

Tambien quiero averiguar es si alguno de ustedes tiene mas informacion sobre quien fue Pedro Triana, esposo de Maria Rudecinda Vitela. Sus hijos fueron Quirino Triana Vitela, y Maria del Refugio Triana Vitela.

Si son parientes de las familias Rueda, Bueno, o Magallanes de Sain Alto y Juan Aldama/Miguel Auza Zacatecas, cual quier informacion seria muy agradecida. Si quieren informacion sobre mis investigaciones de estas familias, preguntenme de cual familia y se las dare.

Aqui esta la lista de mis decendientes por la Familia Triana. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/eduardotriana

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

In Ancestry trees they have a drop down box for marriages that says MArriage Bann, Marriage License and Marriage Contract, does anyone know what the Informacion Matrimonial is? is it a marriage bann, marriage license or marriage contract? i thought maybe it was a marriage contract, but then i thought maybe a dowry was a marriage contract. ?

Danny C. Alonso

I am having a difficult time trying to locate Nicolas Garcia Reyes baptism, I have his matrimonio at Asuncion de Maria Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, 1846-1853, image 667 of 773= In this image it states that he was from el barrio Salitre Ags, I also know according to the Book written by my great grandcousin Antonio de La Torre Garcia, titled Cuatro Valores Aguascalientenses, where he write about my greatgrandfather Jose Angel Garcia Macias his brother Rafael and Angel's son Antonio. In this book, the year birth of Nicolas is 1830, his father's first name Zacrias.But according to the matrimonio, his father's name is Don Camilo Garcia and his mother Brigida Reyes, his bride is Pantaleona Macias. On the baptism for Maria Patricia Garcia, Bautismos 1841-1842, Asuncion de Maria Image 351 of 481, the parents are Camilo Garcia and Brigida Reyes, Abuelos paternos Jose maria Garcia y Vicenta Bocanegra, Maternos: Antonio Reyes y Josefa Losando. In Bautismos de castas ; 1807-1812 Images 272 and 273 of 573, July 9, 1809, bautismo de Jose Camilo Garcia Yndio hijo legitimo de Jose Maria y de Vicenta Aguilar, Paternos; Jose Bartolo Garcia y Maria Margarita Salas, Maternos; Jose Dionicio Aguilar Y Maria Eucevia Vocanegra. All this information makes it difficult to confirm without the documentation. Is there some Garcia Bocanegra (Vocanegra)Reyes or Losando that can provide light at the end of this tunnel. Gracias primos.

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for Jose
Maria Saavedra. It's on the bottom of the page on the right and it's the
two words immediately after it says 68 años

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P58-4D3

Danny C. Alonso

these two people are my great,great,great grandparents I think Teodoro was born 1830 could be off Anastacia is born in 1830 Zacatecas state area one of their kids was Jose Trinidad Duran born about 1851 married to first wife : Maria Trinidad Alvarez then second wife : Gregoria Munoz. thanks for reading

Joseph,
Glad to hear you've recovered from the car accident. Sad to hear you're
retiring from managing the website but I'm sure it will free up time for
you to enjoy doing other things.

Thanks for all you've done to get the website up and running. It's been an
amazing source of information for me and I've directed many people to this
website who've reached out to me because of potential DNA matches.

Wishing you the very best in your new world of retirement!
Sylvia Cruz Lottes

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> One day in 2002 while recovering from a terrible car crash that my wife and
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> bored, and just decided to google "Puentes". Well lo and behold there was a
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> father, Antonio Puentes (1914) two of 8 children of Julio Puentes (1886)
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> with my father Antonio on her lap and my uncle Martin to the far left along
> with various other Tio's and Tia's. In the pistolero picture you see my
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> the pistola is my Great Grandfather Francisco Diaz (1862) with his mother,
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Does anyone know who the parents are to Teresa de Herrera Quijas married to Domingo Martin(es) de Sotomayor. They were married Marriage: 25 APR 1666 Aguascalientes, Mexico

Domingo Martínez de Sotomayor His Parents (Andres and Maria de Islas)
Deceased • M31V-WV3
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Theresa de Herrera y Quijas Deceased • MGML-4D9
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They have a son named domingo martinez de Sotomayor married to Maria Cervantes (I haven't checked to see if she is part of the Cervantes family that married into the infamous Avalos family.

Thanks!

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm trying to locate the parents of Manuela Mireles and Pedro de Arias.
There children were from San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas, but these people
got married in a place called Nuevo Leon, i don't know how close that is or
where it' is. it says they live on the rancho of Domingo Mireles. Does
anyone know who Domingo Mireles is, i'm thinking he might be her father or
relative.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS24-TB

Danny C. Alonso

HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS QUE ESTAN BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE ANTEPASADOS EN AGUASCALIENTES LES COMENTO QUE TODOS LOS DOCUMENTOS NOTARIALES DE LA EPOCA DE LA COLONIA ESTAN YA EN LA RED, TESTAMENTOS, CARTAS DE DOTE MATRIMONIAL Y ESCRITURAS. SOLO TIENEN QUE INGRESAR A LA SIGUIENTE PAGUINA DE INTERNET ES www.sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx un saludo todos

hi im searching for the parents of isabel martin who is my 3rd gr grandmother. she was born about 1825 in mexico and death dates is unknown at this time. her father is a lucas martin and a woman by last name of gregoria. i would like to know the mothers name as im currently working on my family tree. any help would be appreciated. i currently have a folder on here that anyone can view as follows http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/stephmartinez316

thank you for your time my name is stephanie martinez

To me it looks like the word is "herrero," which means he was a blacksmith by occupation. If you look at adjoining deaths, you will see the priest enters the occupation of the deceased immediately following his age.
Stella Cardoza

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for Jose Maria Saavedra. It's on the bottom of the page on the right and it's the two words immediately after it says 68 años

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P58-4D3

Danny C. Alonso

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It sounds like (Hebrew)

*Hevreo indigena*
Maybe someone else knows different.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
>
> Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for
> Jose Maria Saavedra. It's on the bottom of the page on the right and
> it's the two words immediately after it says 68 años
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P58-4D3
>
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Sent from my iPad

R.A. Ricci,

I was trying to contact you, but I do not think the e-mail link at Nuestros Ranchos is working. What is the best e-mail address that I can reach you at to talk about genealogy?

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm looking to see if anyone in the forum has information on Juana Manuela
Lozano that was married to Bartholome Martel. she married Bartholome Martel
probly around 1720 or earlier. She would be born probably around late
1600 I guess. I really mostly just want to know who her parents are.

Danny C. Alonso