Rosa Maria de Fonseca parents

Hello forum,

Rosa Maria de Fonseca married Juan Garcia de Miranda (Felipe Vasquez de Lara's grandson) in Santa Maria de los Lagos on June 30 1693. She died on June 02 1702 in the birth of their son Felipe.

Juan tried to get married again on 1710. In the information he presented he stated he was the widow of Rosa Maria de "Ysas" (Isassi).

There was a married couple: Domingo de Fonseca and Felipa de Isassi whose children were born in the same time frame Rosa Maria was born. One of them: Blas, married Leonor Gutierrez de Hermosillo in Tepatitlan on June 02 1704. Leonor was granddaughter of Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo, natural son of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo.

The clues point Rosa Maria was the daughter of Domingo and Felipa. If so, the same Fonseca's were nearly related to Garcia de Miranda and Gutierrez de Hermosillo lineages.

Does anybody has information confirming it, or information about who her parents were?

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Last year I tried to go to Pinos to look at the records but too many cousins
to visit in San Luis Potosi. So glad you made it to Pinos and are generously
sharing your hardwork. I wish I had known you 1996, I went many times to San
Luis during this time period, and I could have learned from a master!! Oops,
with your records, I am! Thanks.

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Member Introduction

Hola Primos y Vecinos,
I am searching for information or relatives on the Paternal side of my family.
The Locations are all in Los Altos de Jalisco: Teocaltiche, Atepoca, Ajojucan, San Andres, Belen, Ojo de Agua, and Tequesquite, although there are some mentions of Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.
The Surnames are: Alvarez; Aguilera; Cruz; Chavarria; Flores; Gonzalez; Garcia; Gutierrez; Moran; Ramirez; Reyes; Sanchez; Tejeda.
Sources are primarily: FamilySearch.com and their Church records from Nuestra Senora de Los Dolores in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
My genealogy was submitted on June 15, but I already need to edit the data, once I figure out how to do so.
I started with my father,
1. Elias Gonzalez Tejeda son of
2. Lazaro Gonzalez Aguilera and
3. Cresenciana Tejeda Cruz
4. Patenal GF, Andres Gonzlez Moran (Hermosillo?)
5. Paternal,GM, Adelaida Aguilera Garcia
6. Maternal GF, Macedonio Tejeda Ramirez
7. Maternal GM, Onesima Cruz Sanchez
More information is available in my file, which I don't know how to attach.
I look forward to a cordial and productive relationship with the members of Nuestros Ranchos and hope you will have a lifeline for me and that my data can help you in your quest.
Sincerely,
Hija del Charro

Searching for information on Antonio Pantaleon or Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez

Hi everyone.

Looking for help in finding records on:
(1) Antonio Pantaleon &
(2) Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez (Antonio's owner and possible father).

I believe my ancestor that "started" the Gutierrez family is: Antonio Pantaleon, a slave of Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez and son of Maria Antonia (last name is not mentioned), also a slave. Antonio Panteleon's father is listed as "unknown."
(Fascinating)!

In this recorded:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XY1Y-5?i=133&wc=3J45-3TL%3…

Antonio Pantaleon is mentioned as marrying Anna Maria Placenia, daughter of Jossefa Ruiz and her father's name I can't make out on February 26, 1772

I believe Antonio Pantaleon changes his last name to Gutierrez because other records show his children with the Gutierrez surname. In this following recorded, their son Jose Maria Norato Gutierres Placiencia, christened 17 Feb 1787 at SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO,JALISCO,MEXICO reflects that change as follows:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBJP-JP5
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60329-1
System Origin: Mexico-ODM
GS Film number: 279422

BACKGROUND STORY:

Antonio and Anna Maria are the parents of Jose Maria Norato Gutierrez

Jose Maria Norato Gutierrez and Maria Caludia Gamez are the parents of Julian Gutierrez

Julian Gutierrez and Sabina Gutierrez are the parents of Jose Albino Gutierrez

Jose Albino Gutierrez and Amada Guerrero are the parents of Jose Genovevo Gutierrez, my grandfather born January 3, 1884 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico per this record:

http://interactive.ancestry.com/60018/MM9.3.1_2FTH-1942-21159-22465-78/…

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Any help in Spanish or English would be greatly appreciated.
Good day to everyone!

--Mario Gutierrez

Registros Parroquiales 1648 - 1961 (includes Huejuquilla El Alto)

This "Registros Parroquiales 1648 - 1961" says it includes Huejuquilla El Alto.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/registros-parroquiales-1648-1961/oclc/866…

Says:

El item 3 del volumen 12 en el rollo no. 1506859 incluye partidas de Tabasco, que ahora se denomina Refugio, y de Huejuquilla el Alto, una localidad del estado de Jalisco

Is this online in familysearch.org?????

Defunciones Zacatecas, Zacatecas. 1683-1686

Hola a todos. Agradecería información acerca de opciones de consulta de DEFUNCIONES en la ciudad de Zacatecas entre 1683-1686. He tratado en familysearch pero no existen registros en línea. Estoy buscando la defunción de Nicolas de Ascarraga ó Nicolas Peres de Ascarraga. Si alguien tiene información se los agradecería.
Saludos.

Lopez de la Serda

Hi Everyone,
Lopez de la Cerda came up in a previous email and I want to ask if anyone
in the NR forum has any information on the grandparents of Phelipe Lopez De
La Serda Marin , who married Juan Perez de Frias Flores on May 29 1749
(vecinos de Rio Chico, Teocaltiche). I have Phelipe's parents listed as
Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin.

Does anyone have information on Matheo and Jacinta's lineage?

Thanks and I look forward to your response.

Regards,
Juan Aguayo

Member Introduction - Flores Jimenez, Azeves Velasco, Ramirez Oliden, Vizcarra Curiel

Hello, My name is Minerva. Thank you so much for allowing me to be part of this group- I am a new researcher since only last year I started my investigation into my father’s ancestry from Los Altos de Jalisco.

A sample of my father’s genealogical line has been saved in this folder: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/mflores - I am expecting to add additional information to this folder soon.

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I am researching the individuals below at the moment and would greatly appreciate any information you might have about them:

1) Plutarco Flores Jimenez (or Flores Aceves?) from Coyotes, Zapotlanejo, Jalisco, who was married to Petra Davalos Guzman (bef 1815- bef 1877) from Encinos, Zapotlanejo, Jalisco. They both lived in Corralillo, Zapotlanejo, Jalisco at some point as well.

I estimate Plutarco was born before 1814 and died in 1876. I have found some sources that list Plutarco's father as Guadalupe Flores and other sources as Valentin Flores. His mother is referenced as Dionicia Jimenez or sometimes Dionicia Aceves. I am kind of stuck at Plucarco.

I am not sure if this helps, but Plutarco is the second-grandfather of Coronel Gabino Flores Torres who fought during the Cristero war. Here is a link to information about Gabino: http://guardianacionalcristera.com/cabalgata-cristera-coronel-gabino-fl…

2) Sebastian de Azeves married to Maria de Velasco from Ayo el chico, Ayotlan, Jalisco. Sebastian and Maria are parents of Francisco Xavier Aceves, who married Maria Guadalupe Valdivia in Ayo el Chico on June 02, 1755.

3) Antonio Joseph Ramirez married to Maria Petra Oliden. Antonio and Maria are parents of Ignacio Julian Ramirez Oliden born on March 16, 1773 in Coyotes, Zapotlanejo, Jalisco.

4) Josepha Polonia Curiel married to Fernando Vizcarra in 1766 in Tonala, Jalisco. I believe her parents were German Curiel and Rita Gutierres they were all from Rancho del Populo, Tonala, but I am not 100% sure yet.

Any information about the ancestors of any of these people is much appreciated.

Looking forward to reading much more of the vast information the group has provided on the website (I have a lot of catching up to do), and hopefully there might be something I can help you guys with as well.

Best Regards,
Minerva

Francisco Xavier Macías

Hola a todos:

He estado buscando los padres de mi abuelo quinto Francisco Xavier Macías, de quien tengo los siguientes datos:

Se casó el 20 de abril de 1776 en Santa María de los lagos con María Victoria de Córdova Batch M604184.

2.- Vivieron en El Meson, Encarnación de Díaz.

3.- Fueron padres de:

1768 15 de abril Joseph Norberto, bautizado en Santa María de los lagos C604133
1776 10 de abril María Francisca, bautizada en Santa María de los Lagos batch C604135
1779 28 de junio Antonia Margarita
1781 8 de agosto José Ventura, bautizado en Encarnación de Díaz batch C6026691
1783 26 de octubre María Antonieta, bautizada en Encarnación de Díaz
fecha desconocida: Máximo, casó con Eusebia Gallegos Valdés.
fecha desconocida José Ascención Macías casado con Rita de Herrera.

Pero al buscar a Francisco Xavier encuentro varios homónimos, variando sólo el segundo apellido.

Gracias por leer ésta petición. Saludos

Marcelina

Margarita Ramirez or Sosa

Hello Nuestro Ranchos Forum,

I read an old post about Margarita Ramirez that marries Francisco Tiscareno in Februry 25 1690 in Aguascalientes . It said she was also known as Margarita de Sosa and That her mother was also margarita de sosa. But then someone on the post said they didn't know margarita Sosa and made it seem like it wasn't true. Does anyone know this person. Here she is:

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ram%C3%ADrez-541

Danny C. Alonso

Pasiano Amaya Nieto

I had been searching for Jacinto Paisano LKDX-GCH on familysearch.org​ (4th greatgrandfather) married to Maria Carmen Amaya.

I came across an IM for Joseph Jacintho Payzano married to Maria del Carmel Nieto. They had the time period correct, names basically the same, and place of birth in San Luis Potosi.

Maria del Carmel Nieto parents are Nicolas Gregorio Nieto and Maria Rosalia Amaya Roxas.
Does anyone have any info on them to confirm or disprove my theory that they are the same?

One other note, the whole family has had their names corrupted (escovedo changed to Escobar) or reversed (ventura paisano became ventura escareno and her husband Rafael Escareno became Rafael Paisano), and children of michaela Rodriguez and Tiscareno have children passed her birth but they have their names listed as parents.

Thanks, Sarod77

Finding a Roll Number vs Film Number

Hello friends,

How do I find a specific "Rollo" on FamilySearch. I know how to search under "film number," but someone documented a source using the Roll number and not the film number and I am trying to follow their research back.

My source says the document was at the Archivo del Arzobizpado de Guadalajara, Roll 2989, 1611-1699 and that it is a Capellania. So, I went to the films under those dates at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DG9H-6F?owc=3JW2-3TG%3A171…
but lo an behold there is no such roll number, the Capellania that is 1611-1699 is Roll#2986, and the one that is 1611-1854 is roll #2990, both of which are REALLY close, but are not the right number, which again is #2989.

I also looked at the Indexes that Kati Brecht has kindly put together, but I am not finding it. Maybe it has not been digitized?

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Sergio

PS Here is the link to the source I am following, p 99, footnote 20 https://books.google.com/books?id=Uc81YwxijI0C&pg=PA99&dq=D%C3%A1valos+…

"Abuelos incognitos"?

I recently ran across a church baptismal record on familysearch.org that stated "abuelos incognitos". This doesn't seem to me that the grandparents were unknown but for some reason are unlisted.
Has anyone run across this before? Why would the grandparents not be named? Any ideas?
Thanks in advance for any insight.

Cindy (Barela) Fahrbach
email: genie_research@hotmail.com
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Researching: Banegas, Barela, Cutler,
De La O, Fahrbach, Jimenez, Keller,
May, Navarro, Starnes, Utley, Ybarra
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Hacienda Espiritu Santo

Looking for Joesph Maria Cardona 9QCK-QDT (www.familysearch.org)
​married to Maria Ynes Espinosa (espls)First child born in 1775.

Their children were baptized in Pinos, Zacatecas, they later moved to Charcas, San Luis Potosi, on one of sons marriage records he states he was originally from Hacienda Espiritu Santo (?) and a resident of Mingole in Charcas. Thanks for any information.

Epifanio Mercado

I am in search of a photo of my great grandfather Epifanio Mercado son of Ricardo Mercado and Silvestra Vargas date of baptism, April (21 maybe) 1871, born in Rancho Virgenes, Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas died on June 29, 1943 in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas.

He was married to my great grandma Catalina Robles on March 4th, 1925.

His first marriage was to Casimira Vargas of which they had 6 children: Jose Francisco Mercado, Aurelia Mercado, Maria Soledad Mercado, Maria Concepcion Mercado, Gilberto Mercado and Ediberta Mercado. Most likely a picture could be found by his descendants from his first marriage or from close living relatives of Epifanio.

Thank you for your help in tracking down a photo or more information regarding our family lineage.

Mercy
mercy.huizar@gmail.com

araiza, araisa, arais, araiz

There is an applicant to the group that wants to know if anyone is doing
research on these names: araiza, araisa, arais, araiz

Hay un aplicante que quiere saber si hay algunos en el grupo haciendo
investigacion de estos appellidos: araiza, araisa, arais, araiz

joseph

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FW: Somos Primos July 2016

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Please copy and paste: http://somosprimos.com/sp2016/spjul16/spjul16.htm
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Dear primos, friends, and readers:

On July 4th, we will all be celebrating the birth of our country. As Latinos we should take great pride in our mestizo ancestors who formed the foundation, "the roots" of the nation, 500 years exploring, riding on the backs of their horses.and settling throughout the Americas.

April 10th, 2008, the United States Senate passed a bipartisan bill to make the vision of a National Museum of the American Latino a reality.
As we know the Latino museum has not become a physical reality. Sadly, it appears, the direction has been to simply produce a virtual online museum.

However, in 2008, I met Robin Collins who gave me hope. She has real, physical, concrete evidence, living reality of the Spanish/Mexico contributions to development of the United States in . . . a herd of unique horses in Madera, California.

The DNA of these horse have been studied by universities both in California and Texas, substantiating the entry into the Americas of Spanish horses and their continual presence since then.

Since January of this year, in every issue of Somos Primos I have included information on the importance of the Iberian horse/Wilbur-Cruce under the SPAR initiative, the Spanish Presence in Americas Roots.

In this issue you will read about CAREM, A.C. binational effort to trace the Corridor Stories of Baja and Alta California, in collaboration of a UNESCO, World Heritage Initiative. The goal to identify Camino Real de las Californias as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

As readers you know that Somos Primos has been online for 17 years. I have never requested or asked for funds for Somos Primos. My mission has always been to promote the good, positive accomplishments of our community. Last month was the first time that I ask for support and it was for the Heritage Discovery Center and Robin. To those who responded, thank you very much.

Robin Collins, who is not Latino, long ago recognized the nobility, character and usual intelligence of this specific breed. For 26 years she has been dedicated, telling their story to all who would listen.
Robin has never received any grants or funds. Relying on her own resources, Robin has cared for the need of her "ponies", 7 days a week,
24 hours a day. Because of the drought in California, the herd which
has now reached 65 can no longer use natural greenery to feed on. It costs approximately $5,000. a month.

Robin, in great despair said, If the Hispanic community does not invest in preserving these Iberian horses, there will be no recourse but to disband this rare genetic resource, inevitably resulting in the gradual disappearance of these distinct, valuable Iberian horses and a terrible loss of a unique scientific opportunity to study them.

I feel that through DNA research, these horses will greatly clarify the age of exploration, evidence and proof of the contributions made by our Spanish explorers . . with their horses, our ancestors, and will finally receive the respect due them.

Adapted quickly, our indigenous ancestors added the Spanish horse to their communities. To the indigenous the horse became "big dog," their other four-footed companion. The Spanish, indigenous, and horse together shaped the Americas, and profoundly affecting the entire world.
That is our history. That is the history of the United States.

This morning I received another bit of information which I found fun and fascinating.
Robin Collin's birthday is July 4th!!! How about that . . . Send
Robin a Happy Birthday message that you care.
The history of the Iberian horse is our history.
Please help save them, and our history which is embedded in their DNA.
Any donation, even a dollar would be appreciated. Thank you . . .
Mimi

Heritage Discovery Center, The HDC is a 501 (c) 3 non-profit
organization.
Partner with Robin Lea Collins, go to www.ranchodelsueno.com,
and send a donation through Paypal or mail to: 40222 Millstream, Madera,
93636.

For further information, contact:
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