Could some one who has Ancestry.com please try and help on a death record for Faustino Alva. Ancestry.com shows a Faustino Alva death record in 1903,in Guanajuato. However, I can't see it because I do not subscribe to Ancestry.com
Thanks for your help,
Raul Cristerna Luna
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-30549-5550-80?cc=1937239
Registros matrimoniales diocesanos 1813 Caja 163 > image 1087 of 1680
7 September 1813.
Marriage dispensation of Jose Nepomuceno Albares and Maria Josefa Reynoso
Key info:
This tree provides parentage to the common ancestor Diego Reynoso who
was married to Margarita Renteria. Diego de Reynoso y Padilla-Davila
was baptized 5 January 1634. Juchipila linkage as follows:
Juan Nepomuceno Albares stated his age 20, placing birth year circa 1793, born in
Contitlan, Juchipila Parish, Zacatecas, Mexico. He listed his parents as Jose
Antonio Albares (deceased) and Maria Josefa Reynoso.
Maria Josefa Reynoso stated her age as 14, placing birth year circa 1799, born in
Contitlan, Juchipila Parish, Zacatecas, Mexico. She listed her parents as Alexandro
Reynoso and Maria del Carmel de Luna.
The bride/groom were distantly related via Diego Reynoso/Margarita Renteria as follows:
Diego Reynoso was the father of Jose Reynoso, who was the father of Juan Jose
Reynoso, who was the father of Josefa Reynoso, who was the mother of Juan
Nepomuceno Albares (groom).
Diego Reynoso was also the father of Juan Antonio Reynoso, who was the father
of Jose Antonio Reynoso, who was the father of Alexandro Reynoso, who was the
father of Josefa Reynoso (bride).
Hello, my name is Vanessa and I just joined nuestros ranchos. My maternal side is from Jalisco. My grandfather Leopoldo Salcedo Escoto was born in Degollado, Jalisco to Jose Manuel Salcedo Camarena and Delfina Escoto Aceves and my grandmother Francisca Villaseñor Villaseñor was born in La Barca, Jalisco to Salvador Villaseñor Ochoa and Maria Carmen Villaseñor Estrada. I'd like to know more about my family and where I came from and get a better grasp of who they were. I am excited to learn and contribute in anyway that I can.
I have been trying to figure out who the parents of Petronila de Retamosa Macias Valades Gonzalez de Gardea are and still have no real clue. Petronila was married to Joseph Lozano in Teocaltiche 23 February 1666. All other information on her comes from baptism, marriage, info mat., wills, and burials of her children in Aguascalientes. In each record she is listed with a different combination of surnames.
Considering Petronila’s Mestiza/Tresalba status, I am under the impression that she may be a natural daughter of an Espanol father just as her mestizo husband Joseph Lozano was.
Her use of Gonzalez and Gardea hint that she may be descended from Martin Perez de Gardea and his wife Mariana Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba in some way but I am not certain of this. Her use of Macias and Retamosa suggest that she must be descended from Nicolas Macias Valades and his wife Leonor Retamosa in some way. But how?
I thought I was close with the couple Francisco Martel and Ana Macias. Both are descended from Nicolas Macias Valades and Leonor de Retamosa. Ana Macias mentioned having a daughter named Petronila in her 1698 will. Only this Petronila would be too young to be the same Petronila married to Joseph Lozano.
I have been noting the Padrinos and Testigos of Petronila’s children who share surnames with hers for clues.
*A Beatriz Gonzalez is Padrina to the baptism of Petronila’s son Juan Lozano 21 August 1679.
*A Phelipe Gonzalez is a testigo to the marriage of Petronila’s son Juan Antonio Lozano 28 December 1710. Phelipe Gonzalez gives his age as 46 setting his birth at about 1664.
*A Pedro Macias is a testigo to the marriage of Petronila’s son Eugenio Lozano, about 15 January 1697, and to the marriage of Petronila’s daughter Juana who married Sebastian de Ulloa 25 May 1696. Pedro Macias gives his age as 37 or 40 setting his birth at about 1660 or 1656.
*A Joseph Macias Valades is mentioned in the burial record of Petronila’s daughter Juana 20 November 1738.
*A Miguel Martel (perhaps a relation of the Francisco Martel mentioned above) is a testigo to the first marriage of Petronila’s son Manuel Lozano 10 February 1698. Miguel Martel gives his age as 47 setting his birth at about 1651.
*An Antonio Macias Valades is a Testigo to the marriage of Petronila’s son Joseph Lozano 12 August 1716. Antonio Macias Valades gives his age as 40 setting his birth at about 1676.
*Joseph Lozano married Maria Teresa Nunez 12 August 1716. Maria Teresa Nunez is the daughter of Juan Nunez and Teresa Macias Valades. Teresa Macias Valades is the daughter of Gabriel de Castaneda and Maria Valades.
Does anyone know how these Padrinos and Testigos fit in with the descendants of Martin Perez de Gardea and Mariana Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba or Nicolas Macias Valades and Leonor de Retamosa? Has anyone seen Petronila or her children listed as Padrinos or Testigos of their lines? This may help give clues to who her closer relations are, and may help narrow down potential candidates for her parents – or paternity if she is a natural daughter.
I do not know if this Isabel Mendoza that we have been looking for all these years but she does have many, if not all, of the puzzle pieces that we have been using as clues.
While looking for more information on Sancha Sanchez de Velasco's father, Sancho Velasco el comendador, I found a young lady related to the Velasco and Mendoza named Isabel Mendoza, daughter of Antonio Velasco Manrique, Sr. De Salinas del Rio Pisuerga and Maria Manuel Sarmiento.
Her father descends from Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, 2nd Sr. De Hita y Buitrago and Leonor Lasso de la Vega. Many , many years ago, Mr. Navarro, a genealogist that claimed to have seen a Mendoza family tree in the library in Salt Lake City said that she descended from this Diego Hurtado de Mendoza de Mendoza and Leonor Lasso de la Vega but I don't know if he provided every generation until Isabel Mendoza married to Toribio Hernandez Arellano. If he did provide the steps, I don't believe it was this line as this seems as new information to me, though I do recall some genealogists stating that they thought that she was related somehow to the viceroy. They didn't give how she was related. It has been so long that I saw Mr. Navarro's claims that I don't recall his steps. What I do remember was that the Isabel Mendoza that he claimed was the wife of Toribio Hernandez Arellano would have been born to soon so there had to be a mistake in his line.
This Isabel Mendoza that is the daughter of Antonio Velasco Manrique, Sr. De Salinas del Rio Pisuerga and Maria Manuel Sarmiento does fit the time frame and she was the half - sister of Luis de Velasco y Ruiz de Alarcon Ii Viceroy (Virrey) de la Nueva Espana. (born from her father's second marriage and much younger than her half brother)
Antonio Velasco Manrique, was the son of Pedro de Velasco y Carillo de Mendoza and this is where one line of the Mendoza comes from.
Another Mendoza ancestry comes from Maria Manuela Sarmiento. Antonio Sarmiento, Alcalde mayor de Burgos, and Maria Mendoza are the parents of Maria Manuela Sarmiento. This explains why Isabel Mendoza used Mendoza as a surname instead of Velasco as her maternal grandmother was Mendoza.
Isabel's maternal grandmother, Maria Mendoza, is the daughter of Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza, I count of Monteagude and Isabel Zuniga y Avellaneda.
Pedro is the son of Pedro de Mendoza, Señor de Almazan, and Maria de Luna. Mr. Navarro had stated that Isabel descended from a Mendoza Luna line. Through the Mendoza and Luna lines, This sabel Mendoza is a distant cousin to Toribio Hernandez de Arellano.
Isabel de Zuniga is the daughter of Diego Lopez de Zuñiga, I Conde de Miranda, y Guzman and Aldonza Avellaneda D' Aza,
Diego Lopez de Zuñiga y Guzman is the son of Pedro Lopez de Zuñiga y Garcia de Leyva, I Conde de Ledesma. I already posted Pedro Lopez de Zuñiga y Garcia de Leyva's descendancy from Edward III, King of England to Nueva Galicia in a previous post. Pedro Lopez de Zuñiga, 1st Conde de Ledesma is a common ancestor to different lines that I have been working on from Nueva Galicia. He is not the first common ancestor, nor the one with the most descent, that I have found for many of my ancestors from Nueva Galicia. I am looking for all the common ancestors and plan on showing all the connections in my book.
On a side note: Antonio Sarmiento, alcalde de Burgos, has an interesting ancestry himself. He is a descendant of James the Conqueror, King of Aragon through one of his ancestral lines, and through another ancestral line is a descendant of a mulata named Beatriz de Zuñiga. Maria Manuela descends from Saint Fernando III.
R.A. Ricci
Somos Primos, in its Agust 2005 issue published the following contribution sent by Ophelia Marquez. It includes several significant facts about this family:
An entry in the diocesan records of Nueva Galicia, in Guadalajara, relates that in 1702, the leaders of the Indians from San Pedro Susticacan, in the parish of Jerez (Zacatecas), complained to the "visitador". They were unhappy with what the priest, Bartolome Cervantes Negrete and the vicar, licenciado Melchor Marin de Mayorga were charging; "bautizos un peso, matrimonios catorce pesos, defunciones quince pesos, defuncion de angelito cuatro pesos, fiesta titular de Sr. San Pedro cinco pesos y por cada imagen en procesion cinco pesos."
On 16 July 1710 was the burial of Maria Negrete, the widow of Lorenzo de los Reyes cervantes, in Guadalajara,s Church of San Francisco. She had declared her will on the 7th before Bartolome de Castro, "Escribano Real". The will's executors were her sons, Lazaro Cervantes Negrete and the priest "Bartolotne Negrete, cura beneficiado de Jerez".
Lazaro, too, had aspired to the priesthood, for in Guadalajara, in 1691, he presented this information so as to be admitted; Born in Cocula 11 Apr 1674, he was the legitimate son of Lorenzo de los Reyes Cervantes, "Escribano Real de Haciena y Caja" and Maria Negrete y Plaza. Paternal Grandparents; Captain Bartolome de los Reyes y Cervantes and Catalina Lopes de Salazar. Maternal Granparents; Captain Diego de Negrete Cortes and Jacinta Romero y Plaza.
He didn't profess however. Rosa de Chavarria was his first spouse and on 7 May 1713, he remarried in Guadalajara to Antonia Perez Lomelin. She was from Jalostotitlan (Jalisco), the daughter of Manuel Lomelin y Mendoza and Josefa Perez Maldonado y Saavedra. Being a widow upon her death, her burial was 5 June 1729 in Nueva Galicia's capital. One son, Manuel Cervantes Negrete y Lomelin professed for the priesthood in 1741. Two siblings, Basilic and Ignacio resided in Nochistlan (Zacatecas, the original homestead of the Lomelin family. They wed two sisters; Manuela and Maria Duran Ruiz de Esparaza y Gonzalez respectively.
From this lineage was Jose de Negrete, O.F.M. In 1706, he was the Order's "Provincial" (headmaster) in Jalisco.
The most remarkable data is about their ancestors cited in the information Lazaro presented when he "aspired to the priesthood" in 1691.
Does anyone know the reference to familisearch films of this information Lazaro presented?
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Dear Somos Primos and Friends:
This month I was the monthly speaker for the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, SHHAR, a group that I helped co-found thirty years ago. I used to take my grandchildren to heritage events which SHHAR organized or participated in. My grandchildren are now married with their own children. Time certainly passes swiftly, meaningful steps along the way sometimes forgotten.
However, time can gives perspective. My focus has been to seek out our ancestral history with facts and honesty for greater understanding of the present. It has been a slow unfolding, revealing Spain's importance globally. Only recently did I realize the role of the horse in all of it. The more I researched it, the more I saw the role of the Spanish horse in all of it.
You've been hearing about the SPANISH PRESENCE IN AMERICAS ROOTS, SPAR Initiative since the start of the year. Our committee of history activists is moving forward, launching a fund raising program to protect a herd of horses in Madera, California whose DNA is traceable back to the Spanish horses first brought into the Americas in the early 1500s.
Hopefully you will be moved to support this effort financially.
The horses are living proof of our Spanish/Mexican/Latino contributions to the very foundation of the United States. Complete information is found under the Heritage Projects section. I compare the Lewis and Clark expedition in 1804-6, with the explorations of our Spanish ancestors from the 1500-1800s, substantiated by a map included under the Early Latino Patriots, El Virreinato de Nueva Espana, and introduce Robin Collins and her great dedication to "her ponies".
May SPAR's spirit peak your interest.
Warmly, Mimi
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On the right side, the first record is the record of Nicolas Robledo
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGG9-KDD
I need help with Nicolas' mother Andrea ??? surname married to Juan Martin Aviles. Does anyone have any knowledge of the Robledos? It is so strange that both Nicolas and Ysavel Maldonado have different named parents. I couldn't find the IM to confirm it was not a double mistake. Thanks.
K8KW-HBJ is the record ID on familysearch.org
I'm really excited to be a part of this web site. I have been doing reasearch on my mothers side of the family.
Her father is Cayetano Jose Reynoso, born 7 August 1888 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico, and died 19 June 1970 in Council Grove, Kansas, USA. He was the son of Demetrio Ariasa Reynoso, born 13 May 1864 in San Miguel, Jalisco Mexico and died15 May 1891. His Mother was Maria Engrasia Deanda born 16 April 1870 in San Juan De Los Lagos and died 20 May 1932. Demetrio and Maria married on 29 April 1885. After the death of Demetrio Maria married a gentleman with the last name of Hurtado.
My grandmother was Anastacia Hurtado Guerra was born 14 August 1899 in San Jullian, Jalisco, Mexico, and died in Topeka, Kansas, USA. She was the daughter of Florentino Hurtado Hurtado, born 17 October 1855 in San Julian and Tomasa Guerra, born 1864.
I am hoping other may have some information on these families.
Hola Every One , I am stuck , I am looking for the connection of Jose Clemente Ramirez(baptized 10 dec 1784 San Juan de Los lagos) son of Joaquin Ramirez and Carmela Garcia . Jose Clemente Ramirez married Ermenegilda Ramirez ( daughter of Joseph Eugenio Ramirez (born 05 feb 1755 San Juan de los lagos ) and Rosalia Prudencia Ornelas (born 14 may 1758 San Juan de Los lagos) .
Jose Clemente Ramirez married Ermenegilda Ramirez 08 feb 1809 San Juan de Los Lagos (Matrimonios-1797-1823 Image # 265 ) -Parientesco de Tercer Grado.
The only hint I have is Ermenegilda Ramirezs Parents -of whom I have mentioned ,but have also their Parents
Joseph Eugenio Ramirez-born to Jose Ramirez(son of Antonio Ramirez and Josefa Vasquez) and Ramona Justa Limon(parents -Miguel limon and Clara de Ornelas) married 08 april 1742 San Juan de Los lagos -Matrimonios-1722-1770 # Image 222
Miguel Limon son of Diego Limon and Marta de Ornelas.
Rosalia Prudencia Ornelas daughter of Antonio George Ornelas and Manuela Olivares
I hope I didn't confuse any one
thank you for your time
Ronnie
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
This question is really meant for Mary Lou, but if anyone else knows the answer that would be good too. I was recently reading about Maria de la Ruelas on Mary Lou's dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yop1j3tqornd0xh/AABnVNtOvuDJtcuW0Gk5vgBHa?dl…
and I had a question about Ysabel Marin, daughter of Maria de las Ruelas and Andres Martin Camacho. I had no clue she was the daughter until I read the dropbox. I had thought maybe she was related to the Marin de penalozas until today. But now Im wondering where did she get the Marin name. I thought maybe it was a mistake for Martin but I have 2 records that write her name as Marin. Do you know where it comes from.
Danny C. Alonso
Research, like life, takes us through unexpected paths in our journey. I had previously stated that I believed the following erroneous statement on a previous post:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17766?page=1
"I want to address how Tello de Alfonsez Castilla's daughter that I descend from, Maria Tellez de Castilla, who has been called illegitimate by many genealogists because a prominent genealogist once referred to a certain document as proof of her illegitimacy. That document instead should have been given as proof of her legitimacy because it talks about her half sister being illegitimate, that they are half sisters and the way it is written, strongly implies that Maria Tellez de Castiila is legitimate. Maria Tellez de Castilla's Is most likely Juana de Lara's daughter.
I know that many people will dispute this because of the often repeated comment that she died childless, but the document clearly treats Maria de Tellez de Castilla as a legitimate daughter while stressing the illegitimacy of the half sister. If this document is The evidence for determining legitimacy than she must be considered legitimate. "
I continued researching looking for evidence to back up the theory that Maria Tellez de Castilla was the legitimate daughter of Juana Nunez de Lara. I was wrong. But it was a good thing that I went thirough this whole process of trying to prove this erroneous statement. It was in my search for this evidence that I found a record that clearly states that Maria tellez de Castilla is not her daughter. That sounds like bad news after putting in so many hours of work looking to prove the opposite. But at the bottom of the record, in very Small lettering, I found the threads that pointed me in the direction of finding the ancestry of Pedro Ledesma, and to a descent from King Edward III of England.
R.A.Ricci
I have just finished reading a very interesting book, "Genealogical Fictions - Limpieza de Sangre, Religion, and Gender in Colonial Mexico." This is basically a history of the concepts of racial purity in Spain and their evolution into the casta system in colonial Mexico.
There is a little discussion of the status of descendants of the former indigenous nobility, including the descendants of Moctezuma, in Mexico.
This has some implication to proving the ancestry of Petronila de Moctezuma, provided the relevant documents exist and can be found. These could be the information de limpieza de sangre it the probanza de limpieza de sangre.
Chimalpahin, which is mentioned only briefly in Genealogical Fictions, gives some details on the Valderrama de Moctezuma lineage, noting that some of the daughters became nuns, and at least one son became a priest. Perhaps an informacion or probanza exists for one of them. Chimalpahin also refers to five other children whose names are not known.
Petronila is not named in Genealogical Fictions, nor in Chimalpahin's history. Perhaps she is one of the five unnamed children
I've looked at the PARES website, as well as the AGN Mexico City website without success for digitized versions of these kinds of documents.
Does anyone have insight to where these documents of these types could be found?
George Fulton
Pleasanton
I just read an interesting post entitled, "Beware The Sale of Your DNA – Just Because You Can Upload Doesn’t Mean You Should," and thought I would share the link with the group.
https://dna-explained.com/2016/05/25/beware-the-sale-of-your-dna-just-b…
Throughout the last few years I know several of us have been looking for the parents of Pedro Enriquez del Castillo (assumed to be son to Hernando and Maria de Cuellar)... and I too believed that but the following dispensa I found just yesterday says that Francisco Enriquez's mother is a "Petronila Gonzalez", sister to Christobal Gonzalez (who I have on my tree and have proven exists)... who is Petronila and why does it not say that "Ysabel" is Francisco's mom, Pedro's wife?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6D9V-RX?i=542&wc=3J4M-HZ9%…
Davis wrote the following in an earlier post:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
"Marquez de los Olivos/Hurtado de Mendoza
Submitted by The Genealogist on Tue, 2015-09-01 18:48.
Hello Rick,
You can get a copy of Holcombe’s Letters by following this link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6invajbk0zzo4jm/Letters%20Edited%20for%20Dist…
The marriage you are referring to is on page 91. I do not have an original copy of the marriage record and only have Holcombe’s notes to go on here:
Holcombe’s letters Page 91:
“In the same volume of marriages from the Sagrario(Cathedral) parish in Mexico City (not microfilmed) … is this matrimony:
Entry No. 140: 2 July 1570. Joseph Márquez, a son of Joseph Márquez and Luisa de Acosta, and María de Lerma, daughter of Diego Hurtado and María de Lerma.. “Testigos fueron el Sr. canónigo García Machuca, sedero y Cristóbal Rodríguez Proaño.” Could be the parents of you know-who [referring to Joseph Marquez de los Olivos (husband of Maria de Ornelas)]. Suggest you see if pasajeros a Indias data for the parents of both is in the digests and look for christenings of the married couple’s children in the Sagrario, to see if they had a son Joseph (he’d be the third in a row). [If] … not in the Sagrario, try the Santa Veracruz parish.”
As he says the record is not microfilmed so presumably one would have to go to Mexico City to thoroughly research this reference. Until then, we will not know if Maria “de Lerma” is really a misreading of Maria “de Luna.”
As for a connection between Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza and the Marquez de los Olivos line. Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza was a grandmother of Maria de Ornelas (wife of Joseph Marquez de los Olivos). This couple had a son Diego Marquez de los Olivos, whose progeny spreads through Lagos de Moreno. It still needs to be determined if Capitan Miguel Marquez de los Olivos, whose progeny spreads through Colotlan, is a son of this couple, or a natural son of the husband, or the son of a different couple all together.
Some food for thought:
It also still needs to be determined if Joseph Marquez de los Olivos (husband of Maria de Ornelas) is the son of Joseph Marquez and Maria de Lerma/“de Luna?”. If he is, and if Diego Hurtado (father of Maria de Lerma/“de Luna?”) is also the same Diego Hurtado (father of Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, whose paternity I feel still needs to be more solidly determined), than Joseph Marquez de los Olivos and Maria de Ornelas would be cousins once removed. If this is the case, theoretically there could be a dispensa hiding somewhere for their marriage, 28 April 1614, Lagos de Moreno.
There are still many “if’s” to be flushed out here, but I hope this helps.
Regards,
David"
My response:
I took a look at Jaime Holcombes and believe that he has done tremendous work. I have been a student of his wonderful work for decades. However, I do not believe that he is a hundred per cent correct in his findings. I disagree in his assumptions on Toribio Hernandez, and believe that he may be combining two Diego Ochoa when he talks about two marriages.
I will not be traveling to Mexico City so I won't be able to check the Mexico records on Diego Hurtado de Mendoza and Maria Lerma(Luna?)
If someone that lives in Mexico City takes on this task they may find the missing pieces as to to who Isabel Hurtado de Mendozas parents are.
Rick A. Ricci
I dont know how to link to PARES but to find the document, you search FRANCISCO DE COVARRUBIAS under Archivo General de Indias -> CONTRATACION. The document is dated 1563.
The description states "Expediente de información y licencia de pasajero a indias de Francisco de Covarrubias, sedero, natural de Granada, hijo de Gaspar de Covarrubias y Margarita Quijada, con su mujer María Ramírez, natural de Ecija, hija de Martín Bermudo y Catalina de Osuna, a Nueva España"
I don't know spanish and Im having a hard time trying to read the record. I was hoping someone could transcribe or extract information from the record for me. Here's what I'm looking for, if it is in the record:
Approximate age of Francisco
Where he was born and living
Parents names
where they are living
a "gist" of what the record is about
Any other genealogically relevant information
(I know some of the info is in the description above but I would like to verify that's what is written in the record)
Also any info regarding Maria Ramirez or her parents isn't too important to me. Its beacuse descend from Francisco's second wife, Maria Colio, so I prefer any efforts into helping me go to Francisco. FYI this the arrival record for Francisco Covarrubias, future contador of Jalisco who married Diego Garcia de Colio's (first wave of conquistadors) granddaughter Maria.
Thank you so much for any assistance
Alex
I have been building our family tree for some years and I have come across
this document. It is a marriage entry for Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo
Español to Maria Catharina Bueno. For over two hundred years Carrillo has
been the family name, now this appears. Does the word alias mean the same
then as today. Does it have other meanings. Pedro and Catharina went on to
have two sons carrying the name Carrillo Bueno. Should I now view the Ruiz
lineage from this point on into the past as my lineage? Am I reading and
translating this correctly? Can anyone help address my confusion? Thanks
Juan Manuel Carrillo
Here is the link to the document:
http://interactive.ancestry.com/61089/MM9.3.1_2FTH-1-18578-30740-31/135…
I would like to know what years Zacatecas did censuses. On Guadalajara dispensas website I found one in 1850, which was great and a random find to me. I know these sensus lists were very valuable to me in finding my Mier ancestors.
If someone know what years they were done--and maybe has a link to share? That would be great.
The same info is needed for Jalisco and Aguascalientes.
Thanks
Recien acabo de encontrar una informacion que confirma que Elvira Gil de Lara la madre de Martin Vazquez de Zermeño (esposo de Ana Garcia de Miranda o Arrona)es LA MISMA que la madre de Juan Sanchez (esposo de Martha? Sanchez de Mendoza-en el registro matrimonial aparece María-)
Este interesante dato lo encontre en un libro recien publicado por don Mario Gomez Mota, Cronista de Lagos de Moreno, llamado "Bautismos, matrimonios y defunciones en el primer siglo de Santa María de los Lagos".
Dear Mary Lou,
A couple of years ago I did some research on the Venzor surname(line). Today I was looking through items in your Dropbox when I came across a family group sheet and was very surprised to find Diego Venzor as a son of Juan de Llamas and Elvira Ruiz Paez.
I put away all my Venzor research so it is not available right now. I do not descend from the Venzor family but am curious to find out if they are related to my lines through a Rubio ancestry. Do you have additional information on this family?
Venzor was spelled a few different ways so the question mark with "( sp ) "was not a surprise.
Do you have all the names of all of Diego Ochoa's children that Jaime Holcombe claims he had?
Thank you very much for sharing, your Dropbox is a treasure trove.
Rick A. Ricci
I am searching for Jose Pedro Raigosa who was born 28 Aug 1897 in Tepic his father was Pedro L Raigosa born 1860 in Tepic, Nayarit.
I believe that Jose Pedro immigrated to the US around 1912 and helped my grandmother Francisca Torres get across the border by saying she was his wife and my aunt was his daughter. I also show that he registered in San Francisco for the draft. No other known relatives. He listed the following address in one of his documents:
16 Morelos, Santiago, Tepc, Tepic Mexico. Thanks for any info
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
I can't read the name of the bride's parents. Her name is Maria Teodora
Garcia. it's the first one on the right. Could someone tell me her parents
names
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6YF8-R1
Danny C. Alonso
I noticed some of the Dispensas don't have the little magnifying glass to search for names. Does that mean that those catalogs have not been integrated into the search feature and therefore won't show up as potential information. I've been going through each one year by year, page by page trying to find more information about my ancestors. Am I missing something or is this what I need to do. I couldn't find a marriage certificate for one of my ancestors so I'm hoping to find the Dispensa, it may be a long shot, but I need to try. I've exhausted just about every clue via "testigos, pardrinos, abuelos. Just want to make sure I'm not missing something. Thanks.
Hello! I am looking for more information on the origins of two families of Ponce or Ponce de Leon from Nochistlan and Mexticacan:
Sebastian Ponce de Leon who married Juana de Medina or Medinilla on 24 November 1667 in Nochistlan.
They had quite a few children:
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…~
One of them, Catarina de San Juan married Miguel Nunez de Miranda and were dispensated. There is a link to and explanation of the dispensa on nuestros ranchos:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21417
The other family in the same period (but as without a document based connection as of yet) is that of Diego Ponce de Leon and Josefa Chavez Moya who lived in Nochistlan, Mexticacan, and Teocaltiche. They had children baptized in both Nochistlan and Teocaltiche.
There seems to be a connection with the Fernandez de Vaulus/Siordia family and the Jaugerui families of Nochistlan. I will post more information on the children of Sebastian and Diego soon, but does anyone know of a connection between these two or the origin of the Ponce de Leon families of Nochistlan? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Richard Ibarra