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On the marriage certificate for Nicolas de Robclaba y Juana Ruis de Luna, I can read all the information except the name of Juana's mother. It looks like Ma - but then I can't make out the next word. Any ideas are appreciated. It's the certificate in the upper left.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XXC3-88K?mode=g&i=143&wc=M…

And is anyone familiar with either of these families? I can't find an earlier certificate for Nicolas and Maria Dias, so I don't know who his parents are.

Thank you.

Does anyone nave information on this Hacienda or know of any books on subject?
Looking for information on Cubillos, De LA O, Mares, Briones surnames.

Hello everyone. My name is Xochitl Cruz Gomez. My fathers family (Cruz) comes from Teocaltiche Jalisco and my mothers family (Gomez) is from Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I am very excited to join this group and look forward to learning, helping and contributing to this wonderful site. I am an open book with any information I have.

I have been doing extensive research for a little while now (3 months). Every free moment I get, I am researching every site I can find. I have discovered exciting facts which I share with my family. It makes me happy when I can find one more generation. I'm sure you all know the feeling. I have been able to trace some family back to 1700 - "Espanoles nacidos in Nochistlan" which is super exciting.

I have hit a brick wall, I hope you all can help with. My 3rd Great Grandfather Narciso Arellano is from Teul de Gonzales, Nochistlan. Narciso Arellano was born abt 1826. He married Juana Villareal who was born abt. 1835. They were married about 1853 In Teul de Gonzales and had a son named Refugio Arellano in 1854 in Teul de Gonzales. I can not find any further information on Narciso Arellano (1826) or Juana Villareal (1835). Any help you can give me would be very appreciated.

Again, I am excited to read the forums and hopefully provide some information to others here.

Somos primos,
Xochitl

Buscando una dispensa de uno de mis antepasados me topé con esto.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18686-69135-84?cc=1874591&wc…

¿Alguien que sepa frances?

Parece ser un soldado y estar en México durante la segunda intervención francesa y se casa con una mexicana.

sorry i haven't been updating it that often. there are three reasons for that: 1. i've been busier with college 2.i've been getting addicted(for a lack of a better word) to some fb games 3.i've been feeling less motivated to do them since i haven't been able to find new records there relevant to my family tree

but i haven't given up on them yet, but i'll probably continue to be inactive in regards of indexing this collection.
if you are interested in volunteering, feel free to message me.

Hello Everyone,

Please review attached Ancestor report and let me know if we have any connections or information that could help me fill in the gaps. Thank you!

-Erika

A lady in one of my other genealogy groups asked if there is a way to trace one's family back to the Aztecs. Any and all information will be appreciated.
Thanks, Gloria

Hallo everybody:

As I have understand in Wikipedia in spanish, The Caxcans were one of the 7 Aztlan tribes, so they were related with Aztecs.

The spanish version is very complete, take a look :

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caxcán

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caxcan in english.

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I'm hoping to find information on a Adolfo Martinez B. who was (a judge?) in charge of documenting entries for civil records during 1916 records I found. He was probably the scribe for many years, however, I have not researched how many years he was there. He is father to a Martinez line on my family tree. The Martinez families were merchants and probably well known community Dons.

In some entries there is mention of Hacienda El Carro where the Martinez family lived, not sure what years these were. I looked for information on this Hacienda but did not find specific history of the people living there. I'm looking for information about the people who worked there such as the ranch foremen, servants and so on. Some Martinez folks are identified as mixed.

I'm hoping to find information on a Adolfo Martinez B. who was (a judge?) in charge of documenting entries for civil records during 1916 records I found. He was probably the scribe for many years, however, I have not researched how many years he was there. He is father to a Martinez line on my family tree. The Martinez families were merchants and probably well known community Dons.

In some entries there is mention of Hacienda El Carro where the Martinez family lived, not sure what years these were. I looked for information on this Hacienda but did not find specific history of the people living there. I'm looking for information about the people who worked there such as the ranch foremen, servants and so on. Some Martinez folks are identified as mixed.

I'm hope you can help me. This is a continuation to a previous post. I'm trying to find Rosario Arellano parents. Any insight you can provide would be appreciated.

Rosario Arellano (abt. 1805) was married to Norveta Flores and/or/aka Catalina Flores about 1825 since their son Narciso Arellano's birth is in 1826. I suspect Rosario Arellano was born bat 1805 in Teul de Mohuay, Zacatecas because that is where his son Narciso married his wife Juliana and where Narciso's children were born. I understand families tend to stay in the same pueblos.

Rosario Arellano (my 4x great grandfather) and Catalina Flores's son Refugio Arellano, (my 3 times great grandfather) died in 3/23/1908 in Tequila, Jalisco, Mexico. Narciso Arellano's death certificate indicates hilo legitimo de Rosalio Arellano y Catalina Flores however other grandchildren have Norveta Flores as Paternal Grandmother

I have searched through Ancestry, Family Search, I have reviewed the geneology charts posted here on Nuestrosranchos and have not been able to get past Rosalio Arellano.

This is where those missing Mexico church records are crucial because I feel I then need to make a judgment call on what I find that closely matches my situation. I have a hard time doing that. But perhaps with your insight we can make a more accurate lineage. Any help is much appreciated.

Rosalio Arellano
M5JY-BM9
​
Narciso Arellano
KZSJ-ZJ8
​
Gracias

Xochitl

Here is a message I sent along to be posted either entirely or partially on
the NGGS facebook page (you all might want to start talking about the last
two sentences):

One day in 2002 while recovering from a terrible car crash that my wife and
I were in (we both fully recovered), I was fooling around on the internet,
bored, and just decided to google "Puentes". Well lo and behold there was a
hit on "someone" looking for information about my father, his brothers and
my grandfather Julio Puentes from San Jose, CA. That day changed my life. I
contacted the person who posted the question and it turned out to be my
cousin Marty Puentes. I just want to acknowledge publicly that Marty is the
main reason I started doing genealogy which led me to starting the
http://nuestrosranchos.org group in 2003 which gathered people together
researching Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes that eventually led to
the fabulous group: Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
(http://www.nuevagalicia.org/). Thank you Marty, you have advanced our
family's history in your search for answers to our past.

Marty Puentes is the grandson of my Uncle Martin (dob 1912) brother to my
father, Antonio Puentes (1914) two of 8 children of Julio Puentes (1886) and
Virginia Diaz (1886). Virginia Diaz is in picture one and six of the slide
show (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/history/article71081497.html). In the
first picture she is sitting next to her mother Antonia Santa Maria (1862)
with my father Antonio on her lap and my uncle Martin to the far left along
with various other Tio's and Tia's. In the pistolero picture you see my
grandmother Virginia sitting with a sibling on her lap but the man holding
the pistola is my Great Grandfather Francisco Diaz (1862) with his mother,
my GG Grandmother, Andrea Torres (1833) to his left. Notice that Antonia
Santa Maria is also holding a pistola (on Francisco's right).

Hello NGGS you all are doing great things in advancing your own genealogical
family history and sparking wide spread interest in OUR rich history via
outlets like: Facebook, http://www.nuevagalicia.org/,
http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/,
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com, and just via word of mouth from one
interested person to another interested person. Thank you for all your hard
work and all you have done. In the near future I'm going to be retiring from
helm of the http://nuestrosranchos.org group. So don't be surprised if soon
you are asked to do MORE if that group is to be continued. . .

Sincerely,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

I was looking at old post on sharing when i found a comment that I made about hitting a dead end with Salvador Clemente De la Torre and his wife Maria Alexandra De La Torre. This post was originally dated 2009. I reposted it and want to provide an update to it. Through the help of Claudia Casillas, I was able to find not only the normal dispensa but also a diagram explaining the blood relationship of the bride and groom. This find connected me to the work I had done on Miguel Hidlago and that is how I descend from Luis (Lucino?)Lomellini.
It was only through Claudia Casillas sharing her work that I was able to get this information. I had been looking for it for decades with only negative results.

R A Ricci

Included below are some links to marriage dispensations and associated family trees recently found that will benefit several Reynoso families that are from Moyahua/Juchipila parishes. I believe it will extend several branches of these Reynoso families.

Proposed linage:
1-Francisco Reynoso/Mariana de Padilla y Davila, was the father of
2-Diego de Reynoso y Padilla Davila, who is the "proposed" father of
3-Sancho Reynoso y Renteria, who was the father of
4-Diego Ysidro Reynoso y Garcia, who was the father of
5-Sancho Reynoso, who was the father of
6-Francisco Reynoso, who was the father of
7-Miguel Reynoso, who married Potenciana Flores.
The rest, I believe is well documented after that in Moyahua/Juchipila parish
records.

I have found some info that looks to support that Sancho Reynoso, was the son of Diego Ysidro Reynoso.

In 1745, Mezquital del Oro, Zacatecas, Mexico; Lorenzo Reynoso married Anna Maria de Aro. Lorenzo listed his parents as Sancho Reynoso and Juana Garsia. Lorenzo stated he was 31 years old in 1745, placing his birth around 1714. He stated in 1745 that he resided in Contitlan, Juchipila, Parish, (Zacatecas, Mexico–very near present day Juchipila/Moyahua villages). Side Note: From what I have found with regard to Juchipila Parish, is that until other parishes were established in the region Juchipila Parish encompassed a much larger area then present day.

Lorenzo was actually born on 20 March 1712, and baptized on 28 Mar 1712 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico. At that time he lived in Papalote, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico. In this Mezquital marriage record, he stated he resided in Contitlan, (Juchipila Parish), Mexico. The link for this Lorenzo Reynoso and Ana Maria marriage is shown below:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15212-22303-28?cc=1804458

Also the Jalostotitlan baptism record of Lorenzo Manuel Reynoso y Garsia (2nd entry on right side of page)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-18288-28?cc=1874591

I looked further, and into this Sancho Reynoso/Juana Garsia, and they had 4 other children besides Lorenzo Reynoso born in Jalostotitlan, and they are:
1)-Juan Manual Reynoso (born 1703),
2)-Diego Ysidro (born 1705),
3)-Josepha Efigenia (born 1707),
4)- Margarita de Guadalupe (born 1709), and
5)-Lorenzo (discussed above).

Here are my assumptions, so take with a grain of salt:

1.Diego Reynoso and Margarita Renteria were the parents of Sancho Reynoso (Senior), based on correct age (about 1680). The Reynoso families born in the 1720/1770 time-frame in the
Moyahua/Juchipila areas specifically used the Reynoso y Renteria surname.

2. Sancho Reynoso (born ca 180) was the father of Diego Ysidro Reynoso, born 1705 in Jalostotitlan, who was the right age to be the father of Sancho Reynoso (born circa 1725) and Christoval Reynoso (born circa 1725). Let’s consider this Diego Ysidro Reynoso. Why: He is the correct age to have been the father of both Sancho and Christoval. This Diego Ysidro Reynoso thought enough of the elder Sancho Reynoso, to name his son Sancho after him. We only know of one son of Sancho Reynoso (born circa 1725), Francisco Reynoso (born 1754 in Contitlan, Juchipila. Assuming Sancho was born around 1725-1735, it is the correct time-frame.

Much more is known of Christoval Reynoso, the other presumed son of Diego Ysidro
Reynoso. 7 descendants are known to be children of Christoval Reynoso and Ana Maria
Rubalcaba; and another most likely. The years of birth of the children of Christoval
Range from 1745 to 1771. This also fits nicely into Diego Ysidro Reynoso, born
1705, being married around age 20, presumed to have married around 1725. Sancho
and Christoval both fit in to this scenario.

If this is correct, we have solved many of the Reynoso’s lineages in and around Juchipila
and Moyahua parish.

Christoval Reynoso and Ana Maria Gonsales de Rubalcaba’s known children were:
1)-Pedro Jose Reynoso – born circa 1745 (stated to be the son of Christoval (Sancho's brother)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18425-76593-34?cc=1874591

2)-Diego Reynoso – born circa 1748 (stated to be son of Christoval Reynoso and brother of
Pedro (noted as son #1) – This Diego married Maria Plasencia
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-13625-21?cc=1874591

3)-Alejandro Mariano Reynoso – born circa 1753, known to have been the son of Ana Maria
Gonsales de Rubalcaba in many dispensation trees, but until Christoval Reynoso was found in
the provided link; did not know the husband of Ana. We do now. This Alejandro (there were
many) was the Husband of Maria Paulina Suares de Estrada.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18423-31291-93?cc=1874591

Thank you, Danny, Manny, Paige, Chris and Armando for introducing me to Dropbox. I’ve created a folder "Juan Montañez Testament" and scanned my 2003 transcription of his 1648 testament. An archivist read from the original while I wrote in pencil in a small 6 x 9.5 spiral notebook. There were gaps and missing portions. Look at page four. You can see a small sketch that gives you an idea of the deteriorated condition of the document. There are twelve pages of my transcription. Some of these files are .pdf and others are .jpg. The scanner did this automatically.

I first saw the will on 4 July 1996 and reported on it in the SHHAR Genealogical Journal Vol. IV 1998 compiled by Ophelia Marquez and me. A copy of that research paper is also included in this link.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8c743np18qj1oa5/AABKfo6y64THKEKu9NduSZ1La?dl…

Regards,
Mary Lou Montagna

If anyone is looking for the 1904 death certificates for Jesus Maria, Municipio del Nayar, Nayarit, you can find them under La Yesca civil registration (1889-1911). Pages 1500-1512.

Si busquen las actas de defuncion del ano 1904 de Jesus Maria, Municipio del Nayart, Nayarit, las encontraran en la registracion civil de La Yesca, Nayarit (1889-1911). Pagina 1500-1512.

Regards/Atentatment,
Andelmo Perez

Here is a message I sent along to be posted either entirely or partially on the NGGS facebook page (you all might want to start talking about the last two sentences):

One day in 2002 while recovering from a terrible car crash that my wife and I were in (we both fully recovered), I was fooling around on the internet, bored, and just decided to google “Puentes”. Well lo and behold there was a hit on “someone” looking for information about my father, his brothers and my grandfather Julio Puentes from San Jose, CA. That day changed my life. I contacted the person who posted the question and it turned out to be my cousin Marty Puentes. I just want to acknowledge publicly that Marty is the main reason I started doing genealogy which led me to starting the http://nuestrosranchos.org group in 2003 which gathered people together researching Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes that eventually led to the fabulous group: Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society (http://www.nuevagalicia.org/). Thank you Marty, you have advanced our family’s history in your search for answers to our past.

Marty Puentes is the grandson of my Uncle Martin (dob 1912) brother to my father, Antonio Puentes (1914) two of 8 children of Julio Puentes (1886) and Virginia Diaz (1886). Virginia Diaz is in picture one and six of the slide show (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/history/article71081497.html). In the first picture she is sitting next to her mother Antonia Santa Maria (1862) with my father Antonio on her lap and my uncle Martin to the far left along with various other Tio’s and Tia’s. In the pistolero picture you see my grandmother Virginia sitting with a sibling on her lap but the man holding the pistola is my Great Grandfather Francisco Diaz (1862) with his mother, my GG Grandmother, Andrea Torres (1833) to his left. Notice that Antonia Santa Maria is also holding a pistola (on Francisco’s right).

Hello NGGS you all are doing great things in advancing your own genealogical family history and sparking wide spread interest in OUR rich history via outlets like: Facebook, http://www.nuevagalicia.org/, http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/, http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com, and just via word of mouth from one interested person to another interested person. Thank you for all your hard work and all you have done. In the near future I’m going to be retiring from helm of the http://nuestrosranchos.org group. So don’t be surprised if soon you are asked to do MORE if that group is to be continued. . .

Sincerely,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Here is a message I sent along to be posted either entirely or partially on the NGGS facebook page (you all might want to start talking about the last two sentences):

One day in 2002 while recovering from a terrible car crash that my wife and I were in (we both fully recovered), I was fooling around on the internet, bored, and just decided to google “Puentes”. Well lo and behold there was a hit on “someone” looking for information about my father, his brothers and my grandfather Julio Puentes from San Jose, CA. That day changed my life. I contacted the person who posted the question and it turned out to be my cousin Marty Puentes. I just want to acknowledge publicly that Marty is the main reason I started doing genealogy which led me to starting the http://nuestrosranchos.org group in 2003 which gathered people together researching Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes that eventually led to the fabulous group: Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society (http://www.nuevagalicia.org/). Thank you Marty, you have advanced our family’s history in your search for answers to our past.

Marty Puentes is the grandson of my Uncle Martin (dob 1912) brother to my father, Antonio Puentes (1914) two of 8 children of Julio Puentes (1886) and Virginia Diaz (1886). Virginia Diaz is in picture one and six of the slide show (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/history/article71081497.html). In the first picture she is sitting next to her mother Antonia Santa Maria (1862) with my father Antonio on her lap and my uncle Martin to the far left along with various other Tio’s and Tia’s. In the pistolero picture you see my grandmother Virginia sitting with a sibling on her lap but the man holding the pistola is my Great Grandfather Francisco Diaz (1862) with his mother, my GG Grandmother, Andrea Torres (1833) to his left. Notice that Antonia Santa Maria is also holding a pistola (on Francisco’s right).

Hello NGGS you all are doing great things in advancing your own genealogical family history and sparking wide spread interest in OUR rich history via outlets like: Facebook, http://www.nuevagalicia.org/, http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/, http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com, and just via word of mouth from one interested person to another interested person. Thank you for all your hard work and all you have done. In the near future I’m going to be retiring from the helm of the http://nuestrosranchos.org group. So don’t be surprised if soon you are asked to do MORE if that group is to be continued. . .

Sincerely,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Here is a message I sent along to be posted either entirely or partially on the NGGS facebook page (you all might want to start talking about the last two sentences):

One day in 2002 while recovering from a terrible car crash that my wife and I were in (we both fully recovered), I was fooling around on the internet, bored, and just decided to google “Puentes”. Well lo and behold there was a hit on “someone” looking for information about my father, his brothers and my grandfather Julio Puentes from San Jose, CA. That day changed my life. I contacted the person who posted the question and it turned out to be my cousin Marty Puentes. I just want to acknowledge publicly that Marty is the main reason I started doing genealogy which led me to starting the http://nuestrosranchos.org group in 2003 which gathered people together researching Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes that eventually led to the fabulous group: Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society (http://www.nuevagalicia.org/). Thank you Marty, you have advanced our family’s history in your search for answers to our past.

Marty Puentes is the grandson of my Uncle Martin (dob 1912) brother to my father, Antonio Puentes (1914) two of 8 children of Julio Puentes (1886) and Virginia Diaz (1886). Virginia Diaz is in picture one and six of the slide show (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/history/article71081497.html). In the first picture she is sitting next to her mother Antonia Santa Maria (1862) with my father Antonio on her lap and my uncle Martin to the far left along with various other Tio’s and Tia’s. In the pistolero picture you see my grandmother Virginia sitting with a sibling on her lap but the man holding the pistola is my Great Grandfather Francisco Diaz (1862) with his mother, my GG Grandmother, Andrea Torres (1833) to his left. Notice that Antonia Santa Maria is also holding a pistola (on Francisco’s right).

Hello NGGS you all are doing great things in advancing your own genealogical family history and sparking wide spread interest in OUR rich history via outlets like: Facebook, http://www.nuevagalicia.org/, http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/, http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com, and just via word of mouth from one interested person to another interested person. Thank you for all your hard work and all you have done. In the near future I’m going to be retiring from helm of the http://nuestrosranchos.org group. So don’t be surprised if soon you are asked to do MORE if that group is to be continued. . .

Sincerely,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Here is a message I sent along to be posted either entirely or partially on
the NGGS facebook page (you all might want to start talking about the last
two sentences):

One day in 2002 while recovering from a terrible car crash that my wife and
I were in (we both fully recovered), I was fooling around on the internet,
bored, and just decided to google "Puentes". Well lo and behold there was a
hit on "someone" looking for information about my father, his brothers and
my grandfather Julio Puentes from San Jose, CA. That day changed my life. I
contacted the person who posted the question and it turned out to be my
cousin Marty Puentes. I just want to acknowledge publicly that Marty is the
main reason I started doing genealogy which led me to starting the
http://nuestrosranchos.org group in 2003 which gathered people together
researching Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes that eventually led to
the fabulous group: Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
(http://www.nuevagalicia.org/). Thank you Marty, you have advanced our
family's history in your search for answers to our past.

Marty Puentes is the grandson of my Uncle Martin (dob 1912) brother to my
father, Antonio Puentes (1914) two of 8 children of Julio Puentes (1886) and
Virginia Diaz (1886). Virginia Diaz is in picture one and six of the slide
show (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/history/article71081497.html). In the
first picture she is sitting next to her mother Antonia Santa Maria (1862)
with my father Antonio on her lap and my uncle Martin to the far left along
with various other Tio's and Tia's. In the pistolero picture you see my
grandmother Virginia sitting with a sibling on her lap but the man holding
the pistola is my Great Grandfather Francisco Diaz (1862) with his mother,
my GG Grandmother, Andrea Torres (1833) to his left. Notice that Antonia
Santa Maria is also holding a pistola (on Francisco's right).

Hello NGGS you all are doing great things in advancing your own genealogical
family history and sparking wide spread interest in OUR rich history via
outlets like: Facebook, http://www.nuevagalicia.org/,
http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/,
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com, and just via word of mouth from one
interested person to another interested person. Thank you for all your hard
work and all you have done. In the near future I'm going to be retiring from
helm of the http://nuestrosranchos.org group. So don't be surprised if soon
you are asked to do MORE if that group is to be continued. . .

Sincerely,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

From: JOSE L. Zambrano [mailto:itzcoatzin@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:50 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Hello

Joseph Puentes:

I am hoping you could help me out. I am making a video about the Zambrano surname origin, and it will have sources for all the Spanish surnames. I was hoping you could share this witht eh group.

I need to fund 500usd to make the video people can pre order the video for 10 usd.

her eis a sample of a finished work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNtMwrjB0nc &index=1&list=PLCnUdeI0HmLNzdhsEweT8viFaL0itQV9w

I will publish in your tube on a private channel accessible only to them and will send them a hd dvd wiht the product.

I will do this very trasperant and will show the pay pal trassaction. Th evideo will be made in 3 wroking days since i have done the reasearch for 10 years now.

Thanks you in advance for both positive and negative responce.

THe main surname sin my work ar Zambrano mendoza, lopez to name a few.

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/history/article71081497.html

joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Has anyone recently added films to group (or not so recently). If so can you take a look at how to accomplish the requested task?

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Hi,

I want to participate in adding missing films. I am interested in the Arandas, Informacion matrimonial. I added the name, not realizing I can't add the information.

How can I go about doing that? You might also want to delete the film titled Marriage information 1791-1797. I can't seem to remove it.

No hay ninguna informacion sobre el bautizo de Pedro de Ledezma en Zamora España por que las partidas de bautizo no fueron documentadas hasty despues de el Tratado de Trento a mediados del siglo XVl. Pedro si hay informacion de Pedro de Ledezma funcionando como un Notario Publico en Zamora España. Esta informacion la recibi de los Archivos Historicos de Zamora España.

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> Encontre en geneanet a el padre de Clemente de Ledesma De La Torre era Juan Ledezma hijo de Pedro de Ledezma y de Catalina Mejia De La Torre .
> Juan de Ledezma se caso con Isabel Santos de Ruvalcaba ella nacio en Teocaltiche el 31 de Marzo de 1582 y murio el 6 de Junio de 1652 en Mexico.
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To my knowledge, up to this point I have not seen and evidence that the parents of Melchora de los Reyes(m. Luis Delgadillo) are Rodrigo de Caravajal and Melchora de los Reyes. Jaime Holcombe in his Diversas Cartas proposes an ancestry where both Melchora de los Reyes are the same person, married at some point to both Luis Delgadillo and Rodrigo de Caravajal. Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias correctly states Melchora de los Reyes is the daughter of Melchora de los Reyes and Rodrigo de Carabajal in Chapter 16 of "Genealogia de Nochistlan...", however does not provide any proof. Vazquez's Chapter 79 discusses Rodrigo de Caravajal and Melchora de los Reyes (which I do not have a copy of). With the assistance of the aforementioned works, I believe I have found proof of Melchora de los Reyes parents.

Dispensa #1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-669W-N1?mode=g&i=263&wc=3J…

1727, Nochistlan: This dispensa is for the marriage of Joseph Diaz to Nicolasa Delgadillo h.l. of Joseph Delgadillo and Juana Yanez. This dispensa is important because is illustrates Melchora de los Reyes (m. Luis Delgadillo) is sister to Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal (important later).

Relationship disclosed:

Melchora de los Reyes..(sibling)..Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal
(m. Luis Delgadillo)..............(m. Ana Maria, indian)
Hernando Delgadillo......(2)......Melchora de los Reyes
(m. Andrea de Rodas)..............(m. Antonio de Villalobos Alcaraz)
Joseph Delgadillo........(3)......Maria Villalobos
(m. Juana Yanez)
Nicolasa Delgadillo......(4)......Joseph Diaz

Parenthesis added by me.

Thus it is proven that Melchora de los Reyes is a sibling to Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal.

Dispensa #2
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6V9S-89?mode=g&i=314&wc=3J…

1725, Nochistlan: This dispensa is for the marriage of Manuel Rodriguez h.l. Gaspar Rodriguez and Geronima Munoz to Ana Diaz h.l. of Sebastian Diaz and Ana Villalobos. This dispensa is important because is tells us the two children of Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal and that the mother of his children is an indian named Ana Maria.

Relationship disclosed:

Ana Maria, mother of
Gaspar Rodriguez.....(sibling)...Melchora Rodriguez
(m. Geronima Munoz)..............(m. Antonio de Villalobos Alcaraz)
Manuel Rodriguez.......(2).......Ana de Villalobos
.............................................(Sebastian Diaz)
...................................(3)......Ana Diaz

Parenthesis added by me.

Now we know that Juan Rodriguez de Carabajal had two children with an indian woman, Ana Maria.

Marriage record of Melchora de los Reyes and Antonio de Villalobos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH4S?mode=g&i=186&wc=3P9N-…

This marriage record provides further proof as it states, 19 April 1670 Nochistlan, Antonio de Alcaraz married Melchora de los Reyes hija natural of Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal.

So at this point we know that Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal had two children with an indian woman, Ana Maria, and has a sister, Melchora de los Reyes (m. Luis Delgadillo)

Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal's marriage record
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH8Y?mode=g&i=217&wc=3P9N-…

13 June 1674, Nochistlan: Juan de Caravajal, single, h.l. Rodrigo de Caravajal and Melchora de los Reyes marries Ana Maria, widow of Juan Bartholome. Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal gets married for the first time after his natural daughter! Typically this would throw some red flags but his death record sheds some light on the situation.

So now we know Juan Rodriguez de Carabajal's parents are Rodrigo and Melchora, which at least one of them must be Melchora de los Reyes (m. Luis Delgadillo) parents for Juan and Melchora to be siblings.

Juan Rodriguez de Caravajal's death record
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TT5T?mode=g&i=38&wc=3P9K-T…

16 June 1674, Nochistlan: Juan de Caravajal, age more than 70 years, married to Anna Maria, indian. He has two hijo's naturales (3rd to last line).

So Juan dies 3 days after getting married. The two hijo naturales are Gaspar (m. Geronima Munoz) and Melchora (m. Antonio de Villalobos Alcaraz) who we know to be their mother Anna Maria. As Holcombe said "Juan married to ease his conscience"

So there you have it. The proof that the parents of Melchora de los Reyes (m. Luis Delgadillo) are most likely Rodrigo de Caravajal and Melchora de los Reyes. Additional proof can be seen based on the use of the name "Melchora de los Reyes" throughout Luis and Melchora's descendants. Luis and Melchora also had a daughter, Maria (who married Diego Moscoso y Sandoval) who used the surname Rodriguez for two of her children's baptisms.