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The Villalpando family begins at page 2135, in volume 10, with an entry for 1694.

The book has been OCR'ed, so it is searchable with Adobe Acrobat!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Mónica,

Following the name of the bride "Cayetana Espinosa" the document reads "de
triana" meaning that she was a resident of the old "barrio de Triana" in
Aguascalientes. Today it is known as "Barrio del Encino". It used to be in
the outskirts of town, but today is within walking distance from the
downtown area (Plaza Patria). The document continues "Libre de catorce
años" meaning that Cayetana Espinosa was 14 years old and free to marry. The
poor punctuation makes this paragraph difficult to read. It would have been
better if it read "Cayetana Espinosa, de Triana, soltera de catorce
años...etc."

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

Hi Amalia,

It appears your Tenorio de Alba family moved around a bit, I can relate to this. This is what I have on the following people you are looking for. Leonarda Tenorio de Alba married Nicolas Velarde Abeyta on 19 Apr 1751 in the Catedral de San Francisco, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, New Mexico. She was the daughter of Miguel Tenorio de Alba and Barbara Tafoya Altamirano. Miguel Tenorio de Alba was son of Miguel Tenorio de Alba and Agustina Romero. Somehow Lopez is tied in here somewhere. Like many of these families, they had ties to Northern Mexico. Primarily Zacatecas, Chihuahua, Sinaloa and Durango. They could have very well been merchants and soldiers.

Many trade routes were established as early as the XVI century. I've had experiences with ancestors being merchants and commercialsts and moving around a bit. My mother is from Aguascalientes and her fourth great grandmother was Juliana Ramos de Oviedo, a commercialist family who came in the mid XVIII century from Granada, Andalucia, Spain. These married into families such as Martinez Conde, Mazon, Emazabel, Gutierrez Solana, Ruiz Zorilla, Obregon, Gomez de Leanos. I have no doubt Tenorio de Alba were involved in the trade network of Zacatecas and Aguascalientes.

There were several other family members of Tenorio de Alba in Santa Fe who married around the same time. They could very well be siblings.There was another line of Tenorio de Alba in Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosi and Jalostotitlan. From the late 1600s to the late 1700s. If I remember clearly doing my grandmother's research Tafoya Altamirano was strictly New Mexico research. They did however manage to mingle in Chihuahua in the late 1700s.

Hope this helps,

Daniel

Monica

Typically the language in the marriage ceremony includes the term "case y vele" which means that everything from the matrimonial investigation was in order, and everything required by the Council of Trent for a canonical marriage has been done. Sometimes you will see "case y no vele." I believe this means that there was some "issue," but not sufficient to prevent the marriage. Often, in these cases there will be a "vele" done a few days or weeks later, sometimes longer, after the "issue" has been settled.

I use the earlier date in my records, but also note the second date.

I have never gotten a good sense of what "vele" means. I think the literal translation is "veiled"; perhaps it means having the marriage blessed by the Church. Can anyone provide a better explanation?

The essential purpose of the matrimonial investigation is to ensure that the couple is free to marry (or if young, have their parent's permission), not presently married, there are no impediments such as being too closely related either by blood (consanguinity) or marriage (affinity), they are of both Catholic, if either was married before, if the prior spouse is truly deceased. Witnesses were required for both partners. Initially, this was all written out by hand, in later periods, there was a form that was filled out and sworn to by all concerned.

Notice of the marriage was announced from the pulpit on three successive Sundays (this is the Banns); these dates are often in the marriage record. This is to allow anyone in the parish to come forth and raise issues why the couple should not get married.

The matrimonial investigation will sometimes give data not available in the marriage record: ages, place of birth and residence, parents names, prior spouse (sometimes with death date and burial place, or simply how long ago the spouse died). Sometimes (in later periods), there will be a reference to the baptismal records (parish, book number and page). Some of the witnesses may be relatives, with relationship given.

Ocassionally the names in the matrimonial investigation will differ from the marriage record. The names in the marriage record may get shortened.

In general, this is still done today; although publishing the banns is much less common. Couples still go through the investigation process, may still have to apply for and be granted dispensations in some cases; if not granted they cannot be married in the Church, and must be married civilly.

In the period before about 1750, the matrimonial investigations are very useful records to have. They become less useful, but then in the later 1800s and into the 1900s are quite useful.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Dear Monica,
Regarding your first question. Yes, if the groom and bride came from different towns, announcements of the intention of marriage, and corresponding documentation was recorded in their respective parish. Regarding the 'informacion matrimonial' it would be the first step to establish whether there were any impediments because of consanguinity or other non filial relationships. If any was to be found, then the bishop would have to provide the 'dispensa'. Finally, the informacion matrimonial may contain valuable informacion other than the parents names. Also, the names of the parents often appear with variations that gives you clues about ancestral relationships. Finally, if a dispensa was required, then you can then search the Mitra for the specific information that generally contains a detailed description of how the couple was related.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

The river "Rio de la mololoa" was the same "Rio de Santa Maria" but the "Hacienda de la Mololoa " is not the same "Hacienda de Santa Maria", booth located on the same river. "Santa Maria" hacienda was aprox. at latitude, longitude : 21.4275, -102.188 (You can search with these coordinates in googlemaps.com) and the "la Mololoa" hacienda must be in unknoed point at noreast, by de small river (which starts approximately at 21.568, -102.0 coordinates)

(Sorry for my english)
Regards from Encarnacion de Diaz.

Hello Monica

La Mololoa is not a town. It is/was a ranch or community or hacienda that I
have seen mentioned in many baptisms and marriages for Lagos. I have
contacted several relatives in Lagos by phone to ask about this place. Since
none of them knew offhand and I couldn't get a hold of two uncles that might
know we'll have to wait for a cousin to investigate and get back with me
about the exact location and size of this place.

If you notice some of the baptisms say La Mololoa and some mention Río de
Santa María. If you read a website about Encarnación de Díaz there is a
mention of el Rio de la Mololoa, llamado por los Españoles "Rio de Santa
María" which served as the limits of Teocaltiche, Jalostotitlán, Santa María
de los Lagos, San Juan, and la Encarnación. The ranch would have been next
to el Río de La Mololoa probably close to Encarnación de Díaz since that is
where many of your ancestors are from.

The website is
http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/Sauces.html

Saludos.
Armando

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:48 PM, wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a question about this baptismal after the parents name it reads
> "Luis Valdez & Anna Lopez de Lara, de la Mololoa???" Is that a town Mololoa?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Monica
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-44999-17?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12506717
>

This name intrigued me, so I did a little research.

There was a publication called the United States Investor, in volume 33, number 1, in 1922, there is a little information about the mining stock (not encouraging!) in two Mexican mines: El Favor and Molola. Unfortunately,it doesn't say where the mines are. Here's the url

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y_4gAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA34&lpg=RA1-PA34&…

The Engineering and Mining Journal, vol 96, no. 4, 1913, has little bit more. Under the heading of Guadalajara, it talks about some work being done at the El Favor and Molola mines: they built a high wall around the mine because of bandits. They have high grade ore (gold and silver) being shipped to Aguascalientes. Here's the url

http://books.google.com/books?id=FJEgAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=el+…

Neither source says where the mine is. Since your baptismal register is from Lagos de Morena, it has to be in that area.

Your people could have been miners. Some people came from the Aguascalientes area to southern Arizona to work in the copper mines there.

On a side issue: I found a company that has an El Favor Mining Company stock certificate for sale. It is dated 1906 (they want $63.00 for it).

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hello Monica,

In the margin on the left it says Manuela Gomez is a castiza which means the
daughter of an español(a) and and a mestizo(a). Wikipedia has good articles
in Spanish http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta and English
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castas on the caste system of Latin America.

Hija de padres no conocidos means they don't know who the parents are. She
was orphaned or abandoned at a young age. The priest likely called her
castiza based on her looks. Mostly European features with some Indian
features.

Saludos
Armando

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:59 PM, wrote:

> In reading the marriage certificate of Basilio Baldes y Manuela Gomes I see
> that it reads " Bacilio Baldes espanol originario y vecino de Santa Maria,
> hijo lejitimo de Luis Baldes y de Anna Lopes y a Manuela Gomes Casta???
> origenaria y vecina de esta villa, hija de "padres no conocidos".
>
> First what is Casta? her name? a label/class? and also does "padres no
> conocidos" mean that her parents had expired, she was an orphan? or they
> just were not present?
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-2506-14?cc=**
> 1874591&wc=12236790
>
> Thanks for any help in advance.
>
> Best regards, Monica Ochoa

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Saludos,
Daniel
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ivraga@prodigy.net.mx
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:25:06 -0700
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>
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Yes, they were required to ensure the previous spouse was indeed dead. Dispensas are a valuable tool and probably the most valuable document in a family besides Ejecutorias de Nobleza o Hidalguia, often naming several generations of one's family, others include Limpieza de Sangre. Anytime an Ultramarino (foreigner) was to marry in the americas, he/she would require to go under investigation. The audencia usually named the pretenso, parents, grandparents and if any hijosdalgo by blood existed. Another instances where dispensas would be issued would be the obvious consanguinity, where two people were too close to marry and would require a special license (dispensa) with a very nice limosna. Some other cases included issuing a divorce or seperation would require a special dispensa. A last example is when two people of very affluent status desired to marry for example the Condesa de San Mateo de Valparaiso and the Conde de la Valenciana or when people from different jurisdictions
were to married, a person of New Spain and a person of Nueva Galicia. A person from Nueva Vizcaya and the Obispado de Michoacan. Hope this gives you some insight on the value of dispensas.
I'm still looking for two dispensas one for Medina/Ramirez de Oliva from Calvillo, Ags issued in 1774 and another of my ancestor Capt. Joseph Victor Nicolas de Camino y Trasgallo as ultramarino issued in 1784. In case anyone runs into these before I do,
Daniel Mendez Camino

Monica,
Dispensas were necessary to confirm that the former spouse was actually deceased.

Jaime Alvarado

These people are Indians (Yndios) and don't have last names. They have two first names
and the second names are abbreviated such as Pasql for Pasqual, Magda (for Magdalena?), Migl. for Miguel, etc.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: buga1138@bears.unco.edu
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:01:35 -070,
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] wedding certificate help
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> while looking at a wedding certificate I could not decipher the mathernal last names for both mothers of the bride/groom and of the mathernal dad, i was hoping that someone could help me this is the link
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15261-31250-22?cc=1410092&wc…
>
> thanks for the help!

Hello Monica,

The image is located at the following
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-108577-7?cc=1410092&…

Armando

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:28 PM, wrote:

> Hello,
> I cannot seem to locate this image and have not yet figured out the
> shortcut to finding them with the given information that some of you
> seasoned researches have found. I would appreciated guidance in locating the
> marriage information for:
>
> Groom's Name: Sisilio Barrientos
> Groom's Birth Date:
> Groom's Birthplace:
> Groom's Age:
> Bride's Name: Cayetana Espinosa
> Bride's Birth Date:
> Bride's Birthplace:
> Bride's Age:
> Marriage Date: 04 May 1834
> Marriage Place: El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,**Aguascalientes,Mexico
> Groom's Father's Name:
> Groom's Mother's Name:
> Bride's Father's Name:
> Bride's Mother's Name:
> Groom's Race:
> Groom's Marital Status:
> Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
> Bride's Race:
> Bride's Marital Status:
> Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
> Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60486-3
> System Origin: Mexico-ODM
> Source Film Number: 299839
> Reference Number:
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Monica

Monica

I was actually able to find this record without too much trouble. The location is at the end of this post ... but first ...

The Family Search Reference gives you the film number for Aguascalientes marriage records which is important, but actually is not too helpful for the Aguascalientes records as the online images do not include the film numbers. For some areas (generally the more recently posted images) the film numbers will be on the first or second image. For these it is real important to have the number: it will tell you that you are looking at the right film!

From the online listing of Aguascalientes records, go to the marriage record that includes this period. This is 1833-36. The way I start is I initially assume the records are in chronological order. This film has 349 images covering 1833 to 1836. 1834 is about in the middle so I start at an image about the middle: I choose image 150. The date was May 1834 (it is really an accident to hit this close on the first try). If the date weren't near the time of interest, I would move forward or backward, how far depends on how far the date is off, and how many images on the film (far off, lots of images means a bigger jump). In this case the date was real close, so I moved just one image back, image 149, and there it was!

Sometimes, the records for a chapel associated with the main church in a town will be included as a separate list at the end of each month. So, if you are looking at the right month and day, and its not there, go to the end of the month and there may be a new listing.

For some towns the marriages are mixed up, and may have gaps. This is more time consuming as you'll need to find the portion of the film that has the records of interest. The brute force approach is to look at every image from the beginning. This can be tedious. What I sometimes do, will start at the beginning and jump through the film 25 or 50 pages at a time; this will give you a sense of the periods covered, and where the gaps are. When you find the part of interest, then do smaller jumps, or go image by image.

It is often useful to look at the Family History Library card catalog (do a film/fiche search for the film number from Family Search). When you get the record, go to Film Notes. This will often, but not always, provide details on what periods are covered, and what gaps are present.

I have ocassionally found Family Search references for which I cannot find the original records. Sometimes a page may be out of sequence, especially if the book is in poor shape. You can get a sense of this by how the images look. Perhaps the image did not get digitized, but I think this has be to really rare.

Going through a film image by image can be tedious, especially of the images are hard to read.

Sometimes the Family Search reference will give a page or record number; this is not the case for Aguascalientes. When this happens, finding the record is usually pretty easy. I have ocassionally seen registers with more than one page number on each page, you just have to guess which one to use, and hpe the extractor was consistent!

Finally, the url for your record is

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-108577-7?cc=1410092&…

Good luck in your future searches!

George Fulton

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hola Raúl:

Podrías decirme brevemente que temas o regiones de Jalisco aborda cada tomo? Sé que el primero es acerca de Los Altos, pero desconozco el tema a tratar en los otros.

Gracias de antemano y dependiendo de tu respuesta quizá si te pediría el favor de envíarmelos.

En cuanto están vendiendo la colección?

Saludos
Armando

2011/10/20

> Ya compré los libros, es una colección de 10 libros y ya se están agotando!
> No venden libros solos, únicamente por colección completa.
>
> Si alguien está interesado en adquirirlos comuníquese conmigo y yo se los
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> dirección) por correo a ivraga@prodigy.net.mx y les envío mis datos para
> que los verifiquen.
>
> Saludos
> Raúl Hurtado Pérez saludos desde Tonalá, Jalisco, México
>

can you share given names and dates for Jerez?  If you have a spouse name that would help even more.  I am researching district of Jerez and have Reveles, Garcia and de Casas in my lines.
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

________________________________
From: Manuel Torres
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cristobal Torres

Hello,

My name is Manuel Torres and I am new to NR. I’ve just started researching
my ancestry about two months ago. It is amazing the amount of information
I’ve already learned considering my parents barely knew anything about their
own grandparents, much less anyone older than that. The surnames that I will
be researching are:

Torres - Zacatecas (Ojo Caliente, La Blanca, Panfilo Natera)

Castillo Tepechitlan, Zacatecas

Carrera - La Blanca, Zacatecas

Morales - La Blanca, Zacatecas

de la O - La Blanca, Zacatecas

Lueretara - La Blanca, Zacatecas

Sandoval - Tepechitlan, Zacatecas

Casas - Jerez, Zacatecas, La Hacienda del Cuidado

Garcia - Zacatecas (Jerez, Cienega)

Vargas - Jerez, Zacatecas

Reveles - Jerez, Zacatecas

Amaro - Jerez, Zacatecas

Right now, I am looking for information on my Great Great Grandfather and
Great Great Grandmother Cristobal Torres and Trinidad Morales. They had a
child by the name of Margarito Torres in the year 1900. So I’m guessing
Cristobal was born around 1878 and Trinidad around 1880. According to the
1930 census, Margartio Torres was born in Ojo Caliente, Zacatecas and his
wife Teresa Carrera, was born in La Blanca Zacatecas, so I’m guessing
Cristobal and Trinidad would have been from around that area. Unfortunately,
I was unable to find a birth record for Margarito Torres. I also came to a
dead end when I looked for birth records for Cristobal and Trinidad, and I
also couldn't find a record of their marriage. So I was unable to get any
more leads at this point. This is where I’m hoping one of you can help me
out.

Thanks in advance,

Manuel Torres

Hello Deedra,

I assume you are looking for something to prove who the parents of Diego de
Villalobos and Ana Jimenez were. The answer to the parents of Diego de
Villalobos can be found by using the dispensa on 3 Feb 1786 microfilm 168070
for the marriage of Miguel Ignacio López and Teresa de Villalobos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18401-10098-46?cc=1874591&wc…

That shows he was the son of Francisco de Villalobos Pérez and María Macias
[Valadez] (alias Vázquez de Retamosa daughter of Gaspar Macias Valadez and
Mariana de Torres or de la Torre) married 22 May 1640 in Teocaltiche.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19053-2891-27?cc=1874591&wc=…

There is another dispensa, on April 1727 in microfilm 168370, for the
marriage of Ignacio Villalobos to Catarina Villalobos who married 27 May
1727 in Aguascalientes that shows that Diego de Villalobos was a first
cousin of Pedro de Villalobos [Macias Valadez] Pedro was the father of
Ignacio Villalobos and son of Tomás de Villalobos Pérez and Catarina Macias
Valadez y Villegas. That proves Tomás was the brother of Francisco, meaning
were the sons of Cristóbal de Villalobos and María Pérez Madaleno o
Magdaleno married 19 October 1594 Santa Veracruz, Santa Veracruz, Distrito
Federal of which I have a copy. Thanks to a find by Luis Nuñez Gornes
brought to my attention by Celestino Villalobos, who also published this
info here on NR recently, we believe Cristóbal was born 18 April 1567 in
Mayorga de Campos, Valladolid, Castilla y León, España. María Pérez Madaleno
seems to be the daughter of Cristóbal Pérez López and María Magdaleno
Hernández married 19 December 1577 Santa Veracruz, D.F

A dispensa June 1755 microfilm 168376 for the marriage of Juan de Villalobos
to Catarina Rosalia Lechuga Flores shows that Ana JImenez was the daughter
of Catarina Carrillo who was the sister of Teresa Carrillo who was the
mother of María Díaz who was the mother of Miguel Lechuga husband of Maria
Flores Oliva and father of Catarina Rosalia. The name Teresa might be an
error because the only Carrillo I can find that had children with a Diaz is
Jacinta Carrillo with Diego Díaz Montañez. I know there was a Teresa
Carrillo but she married Nicolás de Villalobos Macías Valadez on 27 April
1664 in Teocaltiche. Although she could have remarried a Diaz. Catarina
Carrillo married Juan Jiménez on 21 January 1648 in Teocaltiche. That record
shows her to be the daughter of Diego Carrillo [de Sandi] (the son of Alvaro
Carrillo and María Alvarez de Sand) and María López.

Hopefully someone else here can provide missing info about these families.

Saludos
Armando

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, wrote:

> I'm trying to locate the Informaccion Matrimonial entry for Diego
> Villalobos and Ana Jimenes who were married in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes.
> I found the marriage: Image 67. It seems the dates on both possible books
> lead up to this date: October 1676 then suddenly lead off to a much later
> date.
>
> For anyone looking I found some entries in the Informacion Matrimonial
> 1671-1678 that are actually dated 1685-1696 on images 144-205.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
> Deedra Corona
>

Deedra

There are many gaps in the early matrimonial investigations for Aguascalientes, as well as the documents not being in chronological order.

There are none at all for 1676; I have indexed them all through 1729. The indexes for 1720 and before are posted here at NR. I am currently working on the next 10 years (I'm presently working on the volume for 1730). The volume for 1730 has numerous MIs from 1731 and 1732 (almost all indios), as well as those for 1730.

Please see http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014

The two files are pdfs (searchable) with the investigations in chronological order. I have generally kept the original spelling, keep in mind the old spellings (b and v may be interchanged, also j and x, and so on).

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Thank you so much Leticia for sharing this with me. If I am remember correctly, I descend from the Cos y Leon twice on my father's side. One from Joseph de Aguirre and Leonor Theodora de Cos y Leon and Joseph de Cos y Leon whose line went to Numaran, Michoacan, later settling in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato.
Daniel

La acta de matrimonio de Juan de la Rosa y Narcisa Acosta se encuentra en la
siguiente página
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15670-43531-10?cc=1410092&wc…

Armando

2011/10/7

> Estoy buscando la linea paterna de mi abuelo, sus abuelos maternos fueron
> Juan de la Rosa y Narcisa Acosta o Sandoval, se que se casaron el
> 28/Oct/1872 en Fresnillo, Zacatecas, en el family search no aparecen los
> nombres de sus padres y estoy detenida ahi, alguien tiene acceso a ese film?
> es el M600825 / 439842
>
> Tampoco aparecen en los archivos del registro civil, supongo que solo se
> casaron por la iglesia, tiene sentido?
>
> Gracias de antemano!
> Monica