Danny I just got a chance to view your submission, what a wonderful job you did of putting together your lineage and to have so many family photos is amazing. You have obviously worked very hard to collect and document.
Donde estan los Santillan-Quesada de nochistlan y mexticacan levanten la mano,
Saludos
Antonio Santillan
I was looking at a film in the 1741 time frame for Zacatecas, Zacatecas
for Confirmations. Was the person sponsoring the person being confirmed
also called a Padrino? I thought that was just for Godparents at the
Joseph,
In the Catholic faith during confirmation an individual-by his own will and concience- accepts the Catholic Faith and renounces to evil in presence of a Bishop, appearing with only one padrino or madrina, who was responsible for helping the ahijado(a) prepare in the doctrine of Church including an understanding of the the Confirmation cermony. Back in the old days in Mexico, that sponsor generally was an adult, often a relative, but not necessarily, and in many occassions it was the same Padrino from baptism. Interestingly, prior to the Second Vatican Council, there was no specified age for confirmation. Thus, for instance I was confirmed as a baby following my baptism (so much for me deciding one way or another).
Today, at least in the US, the name of godfather or godmother for confirmation appears to have been replaced with 'sponsor'. The sponsor has to be a confirmed Catholic. It can be a relative or a close friend, -even of the same age as the one being confirmed- my son who was confirmed, became the sponsor of his best friend the following year. They were about 12. In my case, back in the 70's I was the Padrino of my best friend in Mexico City. We were both 15, and neethless to say, the Bishop was not amused. He asked me a few questions, realized that I was well versed in the precepts of the Catholic faith, and continued the ceremony.
Hope this helps
Jaime
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:04:37 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ahijados ???
I was looking at a film in the 1741 time frame for Zacatecas, Zacatecas
for Confirmations. Was the person sponsoring the person being confirmed
also called a Padrino? I thought that was just for Godparents at the
baptism? The records I was looking at mostly only had a single person
sponsoring them wasn't there suppose to be two sponsors? Was the sponsor
a serious commitment like it was to be a Godparent in that many times
they chose a family member to be the sponsor?
http://h2opodcast.com/nr/misc/Ahijados.JPG
(in this picture above is this for confirmations or baptism, did they
call the confirmed an Ahijado? I thought that meant Godchild).
maybe that film had information about baptisms as well,
joseph
=====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
I don't know about current practices, but I had a madrina when I was
confirmed in 1966. Most chose a family member. One always chose a
godparent of the same sex.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> I was looking at a film in the 1741 time frame for Zacatecas, Zacatecas for
> Confirmations. Was the person sponsoring the person being confirmed also
> called a Padrino? I thought that was just for Godparents at the baptism? The
> records I was looking at mostly only had a single person sponsoring them
> wasn't there suppose to be two sponsors? Was the sponsor a serious
> commitment like it was to be a Godparent in that many times they chose a
> family member to be the sponsor?
>
> http://h2opodcast.com/nr/misc/Ahijados.JPG
> (in this picture above is this for confirmations or baptism, did they call
> the confirmed an Ahijado? I thought that meant Godchild).
>
> maybe that film had information about baptisms as well,
>
> joseph
>
> =====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin
> American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)
>
>
>
Just to add to the comment, when I was baptized I had a padrino and a
madrina (my grandparents), when I did my first communion I had only a
padrino (uncle), when I was confirmed I also only had a padrino (different
uncle) and once upon a time when I got married I had a padrino and a madrina
(another uncle and his wife).
Two of my uncles still call me ahijado once in a while (not my marriage one)
hehehe!
The padrinos that have the most responsibility and the most important ones
in a person's life are the baptism ones, although it's nice to have a lot of
other padrinos because you then expect your "domingo" from each one on
Sundays.
Rick
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Raquel Ruiz
Enviado el: sábado, 15 de noviembre de 2008 08:51 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ahijados ???
I don't know about current practices, but I had a madrina when I was
confirmed in 1966. Most chose a family member. One always chose a
godparent of the same sex.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> I was looking at a film in the 1741 time frame for Zacatecas, Zacatecas
for
> Confirmations. Was the person sponsoring the person being confirmed also
> called a Padrino? I thought that was just for Godparents at the baptism?
The
> records I was looking at mostly only had a single person sponsoring them
> wasn't there suppose to be two sponsors? Was the sponsor a serious
> commitment like it was to be a Godparent in that many times they chose a
> family member to be the sponsor?
>
> http://h2opodcast.com/nr/misc/Ahijados.JPG
> (in this picture above is this for confirmations or baptism, did they call
> the confirmed an Ahijado? I thought that meant Godchild).
>
> maybe that film had information about baptisms as well,
>
> joseph
>
> =====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com
(Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin
> American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)
>
>
>
Iti is my pleasure to introduce a Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego to the
group. He has been a member for a few months and his genealogy file is
listed here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 His email addres
Good morning Joseph, just a notice to let you know that my email is changing to mgervassi2001@yahoo.com
please change my future emails
Thank you
Mary
-----Original Message-----
Bienvenido Miguel Angel Munoz, Borrego,
Nos conocimos en la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila en Marzo del año presente.
Es un honor para los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos que nos honres con tu presencia en este foro.
Tu amabilidad, professionalismo y la atencion que brindastes a todos los participantes dejaron una imagen sumamente impresionante.
Espero poder regresar el proximo año a la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila, si es que se lleva acabo.
De nuevo, muchisimas gracias por la oportunidad que nos has dado a todos los que somos nuevos y con poca experiencia en la genalogia de escuchar y aprender de los maestros y profesionales en los estudios de historia de las familias con raices Mexicanas.
Dear Miguel Angel,
I met you earlier this year at the conference in Saltillo Coahuila Mexico. It is truly an honor to have you as a member of Nuestros Ranchos.
Your kindness, professionalism and the attention to every detail at the conference made us all feel welcome. I was truly impressed with the quality of the speakers who presented and to the breadth of their knowledge.
I hope to be able to attend next year if you go forward with year 4 of the conference.
Again, my deepest gratitude for the opportunity that you've given those of us who aren't as experienced and who have much to learn from the masters of Mexican family research.
Best Regards,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Born in Zacatecas, residing in San Jose, Calif
________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: Miguel Munoz
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:34:30 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel Munoz Borrego
Iti is my pleasure to introduce a Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego to the
group. He has been a member for a few months and his genealogy file is
listed here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 His email addres
is: miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com Mr. Muñoz Borrego is in charge of all the
archives for the state of Coahuila. The reason this can be important to
the members of the nuestrosranchos.org group is that our relatives
traveling north from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes most
likely traveled via the Ruta de Plata and that road traveled directly to
Saltillo, Coahuila. Many traveled North and also traveled to the mines
in Monterrey and other locations. Mr. Muñoz Borrego has commented that
he can help individuals researching outside our area of research along
the Ruta de Plata. He not only knows about his state of Coahuila, but is
well informed with Nuevo Leon as well as Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes. Of special interest to those traveling to Mexico might
be that Mr. Muñoz Borrego is very familiar with the other heads of the
archives in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes.
Tengo el gusto de presentar al Señor Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego al
grupo. El ha sido miembro desde hace varios meses y su archivo
genealogico se encuentra en este sitio:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 . Su correo electronico es:
miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com El Señor Muñoz Borrego es el encargado de
todos los archivos del Estado de Coahuila. La razón por lo cual tener
conocimiento de su posicion puede ser importante para los miembros del
grupo nuestrosranchos.org, es porque nuestros familiares viajaban desde
los Estados de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes, rumbo al Norte por
La Via de La Plata. Ese camino pasaba directamente por Saltillo,
Coahuila. Muchos de nuestros familiares viajaron rumbo al Norte, también
a las minas de Monterrey y otros lugares vecinos. El Señor Muñoz Borrego
ha comentado que el está dispuesto ayudar a personas que estén
investigando fuera de nuestra area de investigación, a investigar en las
cercanias de "La Ruta de La Plata". El tiene amplios conocimientos, no
tan solo del Estado de Coahuila, sino tambien de Nuevo Leon, Jalisco,
Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes. De interés especial para las personas que
viajan a Mexico, es bueno e importante saber que el Señor Muñoz Borrego
está familiarizado con otros encargados de archivos en Jalisco,
Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.
joseph
ps: Muchisimas gracias a Welester Alvarado por la ayuda en various
proyectos y el estimilo para reconocer personas en el grupo.
=====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Estimado Miguel Angel Muñoz bienvenido y es un honor tenerte con nosotros.
Yo me siento muy contento de participar en este grupo que me ha abierto un
sin numero de puertas en el interesante mundo del conocimiento de nuestros
ancestros, tan solo tengo tres meses aquí y gracias a todos mis
conocimientos se han incrementado de manera exponencial.
Aprovechando tus conocimientos de la zona del noroeste de México, quisiera
preguntarte si tienes información de la familia Gordoa en San Luis Potosí y
Matehuala SLP, Mx., de 1850 para atrás, en particular de Don Mariano Gordoa
que caso con Evarista Castañeda antes de 1850, que fueron padres de Maria
Concepción Gordoa que nació en San Luis Potosí en 1852.
Según tengo entendido sus ancestros fueron dueños de varias minas en el
estado de Coahuila y Zacatecas, pero no he encontrado el nexo.
Como dato curioso este Señor alrededor de 1820 junto con otra persona fue el
primer promotor de la aviación en San Luis Potosí, lanzándose con un par de
alas de uno de los edificios altos de la localidad, que si no fuera por la
paja que les pusieron (La cual no querían, por que les ofendía), hubieran
visitado al creador antes de tiempo.
Yo me encuentro en la Ciudad de San Luis Potosí, Mx. Para lo que se te
ofrezca.
Cristobal Villalobos.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Domingo, 16 de Noviembre de 2008 01:29 p.m.
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel
Munoz Borrego
Bienvenido Miguel Angel Munoz, Borrego,
Nos conocimos en la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila en Marzo del año
presente.
Es un honor para los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos que nos honres con tu
presencia en este foro.
Tu amabilidad, professionalismo y la atencion que brindastes a todos los
participantes dejaron una imagen sumamente impresionante.
Espero poder regresar el proximo año a la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila,
si es que se lleva acabo.
De nuevo, muchisimas gracias por la oportunidad que nos has dado a todos los
que somos nuevos y con poca experiencia en la genalogia de escuchar y
aprender de los maestros y profesionales en los estudios de historia de las
familias con raices Mexicanas.
Dear Miguel Angel,
I met you earlier this year at the conference in Saltillo Coahuila Mexico.
It is truly an honor to have you as a member of Nuestros Ranchos.
Your kindness, professionalism and the attention to every detail at the
conference made us all feel welcome. I was truly impressed with the quality
of the speakers who presented and to the breadth of their knowledge.
I hope to be able to attend next year if you go forward with year 4 of the
conference.
Again, my deepest gratitude for the opportunity that you've given those of
us who aren't as experienced and who have much to learn from the masters of
Mexican family research.
Best Regards,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Born in Zacatecas, residing in San Jose, Calif
________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: Miguel Munoz
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:34:30 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel Munoz
Borrego
Iti is my pleasure to introduce a Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego to the
group. He has been a member for a few months and his genealogy file is
listed here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 His email addres
is: miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com Mr. Muñoz Borrego is in charge of all the
archives for the state of Coahuila. The reason this can be important to
the members of the nuestrosranchos.org group is that our relatives
traveling north from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes most
likely traveled via the Ruta de Plata and that road traveled directly to
Saltillo, Coahuila. Many traveled North and also traveled to the mines
in Monterrey and other locations. Mr. Muñoz Borrego has commented that
he can help individuals researching outside our area of research along
the Ruta de Plata. He not only knows about his state of Coahuila, but is
well informed with Nuevo Leon as well as Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes. Of special interest to those traveling to Mexico might
be that Mr. Muñoz Borrego is very familiar with the other heads of the
archives in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes.
Tengo el gusto de presentar al Señor Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego al
grupo. El ha sido miembro desde hace varios meses y su archivo
genealogico se encuentra en este sitio:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 . Su correo electronico es:
miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com El Señor Muñoz Borrego es el encargado de
todos los archivos del Estado de Coahuila. La razón por lo cual tener
conocimiento de su posicion puede ser importante para los miembros del
grupo nuestrosranchos.org, es porque nuestros familiares viajaban desde
los Estados de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes, rumbo al Norte por
La Via de La Plata. Ese camino pasaba directamente por Saltillo,
Coahuila. Muchos de nuestros familiares viajaron rumbo al Norte, también
a las minas de Monterrey y otros lugares vecinos. El Señor Muñoz Borrego
ha comentado que el está dispuesto ayudar a personas que estén
investigando fuera de nuestra area de investigación, a investigar en las
cercanias de "La Ruta de La Plata". El tiene amplios conocimientos, no
tan solo del Estado de Coahuila, sino tambien de Nuevo Leon, Jalisco,
Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes. De interés especial para las personas que
viajan a Mexico, es bueno e importante saber que el Señor Muñoz Borrego
está familiarizado con otros encargados de archivos en Jalisco,
Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.
joseph
ps: Muchisimas gracias a Welester Alvarado por la ayuda en various
proyectos y el estimilo para reconocer personas en el grupo.
=====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Buenos dias, alguien por favor me puede decir cual es el portal para iniciar una busqueda de los antepasados?
Es que no lo puedo recordar.
Gracias
Juan Ramon Alvarez
--- On Mon, 11/17/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel Munoz Borrego
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:22 AM
Estimado Miguel Angel Muñoz bienvenido y es un honor tenerte con nosotros.
Yo me siento muy contento de participar en este grupo que me ha abierto un
sin numero de puertas en el interesante mundo del conocimiento de nuestros
ancestros, tan solo tengo tres meses aquí y gracias a todos mis
conocimientos se han incrementado de manera exponencial.
Aprovechando tus conocimientos de la zona del noroeste de México, quisiera
preguntarte si tienes información de la familia Gordoa en San Luis Potosí y
Matehuala SLP, Mx., de 1850 para atrás, en particular de Don Mariano Gordoa
que caso con Evarista Castañeda antes de 1850, que fueron padres de Maria
Concepción Gordoa que nació en San Luis Potosí en 1852.
Según tengo entendido sus ancestros fueron dueños de varias minas en el
estado de Coahuila y Zacatecas, pero no he encontrado el nexo.
Como dato curioso este Señor alrededor de 1820 junto con otra persona fue el
primer promotor de la aviación en San Luis Potosí, lanzándose con un par de
alas de uno de los edificios altos de la localidad, que si no fuera por la
paja que les pusieron (La cual no querían, por que les ofendía), hubieran
visitado al creador antes de tiempo.
Yo me encuentro en la Ciudad de San Luis Potosí, Mx. Para lo que se te
ofrezca.
Cristobal Villalobos.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Domingo, 16 de Noviembre de 2008 01:29 p.m.
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel
Munoz Borrego
Bienvenido Miguel Angel Munoz, Borrego,
Nos conocimos en la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila en Marzo del año
presente.
Es un honor para los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos que nos honres con tu
presencia en este foro.
Tu amabilidad, professionalismo y la atencion que brindastes a todos los
participantes dejaron una imagen sumamente impresionante.
Espero poder regresar el proximo año a la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila,
si es que se lleva acabo.
De nuevo, muchisimas gracias por la oportunidad que nos has dado a todos los
que somos nuevos y con poca experiencia en la genalogia de escuchar y
aprender de los maestros y profesionales en los estudios de historia de las
familias con raices Mexicanas.
Dear Miguel Angel,
I met you earlier this year at the conference in Saltillo Coahuila Mexico.
It is truly an honor to have you as a member of Nuestros Ranchos.
Your kindness, professionalism and the attention to every detail at the
conference made us all feel welcome. I was truly impressed with the quality
of the speakers who presented and to the breadth of their knowledge.
I hope to be able to attend next year if you go forward with year 4 of the
conference.
Again, my deepest gratitude for the opportunity that you've given those of
us who aren't as experienced and who have much to learn from the masters of
Mexican family research.
Best Regards,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Born in Zacatecas, residing in San Jose, Calif
________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: Miguel Munoz
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:34:30 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel Munoz
Borrego
Iti is my pleasure to introduce a Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego to the
group. He has been a member for a few months and his genealogy file is
listed here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 His email addres
is: miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com Mr. Muñoz Borrego is in charge of all the
archives for the state of Coahuila. The reason this can be important to
the members of the nuestrosranchos.org group is that our relatives
traveling north from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes most
likely traveled via the Ruta de Plata and that road traveled directly to
Saltillo, Coahuila. Many traveled North and also traveled to the mines
in Monterrey and other locations. Mr. Muñoz Borrego has commented that
he can help individuals researching outside our area of research along
the Ruta de Plata. He not only knows about his state of Coahuila, but is
well informed with Nuevo Leon as well as Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes. Of special interest to those traveling to Mexico might
be that Mr. Muñoz Borrego is very familiar with the other heads of the
archives in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes.
Tengo el gusto de presentar al Señor Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego al
grupo. El ha sido miembro desde hace varios meses y su archivo
genealogico se encuentra en este sitio:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 . Su correo electronico es:
miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com El Señor Muñoz Borrego es el encargado de
todos los archivos del Estado de Coahuila. La razón por lo cual tener
conocimiento de su posicion puede ser importante para los miembros del
grupo nuestrosranchos.org, es porque nuestros familiares viajaban desde
los Estados de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes, rumbo al Norte por
La Via de La Plata. Ese camino pasaba directamente por Saltillo,
Coahuila. Muchos de nuestros familiares viajaron rumbo al Norte, también
a las minas de Monterrey y otros lugares vecinos. El Señor Muñoz Borrego
ha comentado que el está dispuesto ayudar a personas que estén
investigando fuera de nuestra area de investigación, a investigar en las
cercanias de "La Ruta de La Plata". El tiene amplios conocimientos,
no
tan solo del Estado de Coahuila, sino tambien de Nuevo Leon, Jalisco,
Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes. De interés especial para las personas que
viajan a Mexico, es bueno e importante saber que el Señor Muñoz Borrego
está familiarizado con otros encargados de archivos en Jalisco,
Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.
joseph
ps: Muchisimas gracias a Welester Alvarado por la ayuda en various
proyectos y el estimilo para reconocer personas en el grupo.
=====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
uno es www.familysearch.org
ahí también encontrará la opción de pilot, es para buscar en el censo de México de 1930
Con gusto responderemos si tiene alguna dificultad.
Saludos. Leticia Leon
--- El lun 17-nov-08, Juan Ramón Alvarez escribió:
De:: Juan Ramón Alvarez
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel Munoz Borrego
A: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 17 noviembre, 2008, 12:23 pm
Buenos dias, alguien por favor me puede decir cual es el portal para iniciar
una busqueda de los antepasados?
Es que no lo puedo recordar.
Gracias
Juan Ramon Alvarez
--- On Mon, 11/17/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
wrote:
From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel Munoz
Borrego
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:22 AM
Estimado Miguel Angel Muñoz bienvenido y es un honor tenerte con nosotros.
Yo me siento muy contento de participar en este grupo que me ha abierto un
sin numero de puertas en el interesante mundo del conocimiento de nuestros
ancestros, tan solo tengo tres meses aquí y gracias a todos mis
conocimientos se han incrementado de manera exponencial.
Aprovechando tus conocimientos de la zona del noroeste de México, quisiera
preguntarte si tienes información de la familia Gordoa en San Luis Potosí y
Matehuala SLP, Mx., de 1850 para atrás, en particular de Don Mariano Gordoa
que caso con Evarista Castañeda antes de 1850, que fueron padres de Maria
Concepción Gordoa que nació en San Luis Potosí en 1852.
Según tengo entendido sus ancestros fueron dueños de varias minas en el
estado de Coahuila y Zacatecas, pero no he encontrado el nexo.
Como dato curioso este Señor alrededor de 1820 junto con otra persona fue el
primer promotor de la aviación en San Luis Potosí, lanzándose con un par de
alas de uno de los edificios altos de la localidad, que si no fuera por la
paja que les pusieron (La cual no querían, por que les ofendía), hubieran
visitado al creador antes de tiempo.
Yo me encuentro en la Ciudad de San Luis Potosí, Mx. Para lo que se te
ofrezca.
Cristobal Villalobos.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Domingo, 16 de Noviembre de 2008 01:29 p.m.
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel
Munoz Borrego
Bienvenido Miguel Angel Munoz, Borrego,
Nos conocimos en la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila en Marzo del año
presente.
Es un honor para los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos que nos honres con tu
presencia en este foro.
Tu amabilidad, professionalismo y la atencion que brindastes a todos los
participantes dejaron una imagen sumamente impresionante.
Espero poder regresar el proximo año a la conferencia de Saltillo Coahuila,
si es que se lleva acabo.
De nuevo, muchisimas gracias por la oportunidad que nos has dado a todos los
que somos nuevos y con poca experiencia en la genalogia de escuchar y
aprender de los maestros y profesionales en los estudios de historia de las
familias con raices Mexicanas.
Dear Miguel Angel,
I met you earlier this year at the conference in Saltillo Coahuila Mexico.
It is truly an honor to have you as a member of Nuestros Ranchos.
Your kindness, professionalism and the attention to every detail at the
conference made us all feel welcome. I was truly impressed with the quality
of the speakers who presented and to the breadth of their knowledge.
I hope to be able to attend next year if you go forward with year 4 of the
conference.
Again, my deepest gratitude for the opportunity that you've given those of
us who aren't as experienced and who have much to learn from the masters of
Mexican family research.
Best Regards,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Born in Zacatecas, residing in San Jose, Calif
________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: Miguel Munoz
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:34:30 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction/Introduccion a Miguel Angel Munoz
Borrego
Iti is my pleasure to introduce a Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego to the
group. He has been a member for a few months and his genealogy file is
listed here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 His email addres
is: miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com Mr. Muñoz Borrego is in charge of all the
archives for the state of Coahuila. The reason this can be important to
the members of the nuestrosranchos.org group is that our relatives
traveling north from Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes most
likely traveled via the Ruta de Plata and that road traveled directly to
Saltillo, Coahuila. Many traveled North and also traveled to the mines
in Monterrey and other locations. Mr. Muñoz Borrego has commented that
he can help individuals researching outside our area of research along
the Ruta de Plata. He not only knows about his state of Coahuila, but is
well informed with Nuevo Leon as well as Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes. Of special interest to those traveling to Mexico might
be that Mr. Muñoz Borrego is very familiar with the other heads of the
archives in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes.
Tengo el gusto de presentar al Señor Miguel Angel Muñoz Borrego al
grupo. El ha sido miembro desde hace varios meses y su archivo
genealogico se encuentra en este sitio:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16979 . Su correo electronico es:
miguel.munoz15@hotmail.com El Señor Muñoz Borrego es el encargado de
todos los archivos del Estado de Coahuila. La razón por lo cual tener
conocimiento de su posicion puede ser importante para los miembros del
grupo nuestrosranchos.org, es porque nuestros familiares viajaban desde
los Estados de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes, rumbo al Norte por
La Via de La Plata. Ese camino pasaba directamente por Saltillo,
Coahuila. Muchos de nuestros familiares viajaron rumbo al Norte, también
a las minas de Monterrey y otros lugares vecinos. El Señor Muñoz Borrego
ha comentado que el está dispuesto ayudar a personas que estén
investigando fuera de nuestra area de investigación, a investigar en las
cercanias de "La Ruta de La Plata". El tiene amplios conocimientos,
no
tan solo del Estado de Coahuila, sino tambien de Nuevo Leon, Jalisco,
Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes. De interés especial para las personas que
viajan a Mexico, es bueno e importante saber que el Señor Muñoz Borrego
está familiarizado con otros encargados de archivos en Jalisco,
Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.
joseph
ps: Muchisimas gracias a Welester Alvarado por la ayuda en various
proyectos y el estimilo para reconocer personas en el grupo.
=====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
The following is not about genealogy, but about some contemporary (i.e., 20th century) Mexican culture.
The Smithsonian's National Museum of American History (NMAH), in Washington, DC, has undergone some extensive renovation and is scheduled to re-open on Nov 21. The section on Popular Culture will now be called "Thanks For the Memories", and one of the exhibits will feature "Cantinflas". Those of you of a certain age may remember a Mexican comedian named Cantinflas who appeared in many Mexican films, mostly in the '40's and '50's, and also appeared in the US film "Around the World in 80 Days". You can read more about the overall museum renovations here:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:31:37 -0800
From:
To: Joseph Puentes
Jonathan Walker?
In a message dated 11/16/2008 7:27:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,
makas@nc.rr.com writes:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:31:37 -0800
From:
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <49174F31.9090406@nc.rr.com>
<001c01c94742$d95045a0$58ff5142@preferreduser> <491F5C2E.1030906@nc.rr.com>
Hi,
My distant uncle, Dimas Marquez, told me that Pedro Marquez, who wrote
the book "La Historia de San Juan de los Lagos" told him that Diego
Marquez came from Sauz de los Marquez. Now, Pedro never told Dimas about
Jusepe Marquez who got married in 1614 in Santa Maria de los Lagos (now
Lagos de Moreno). So, I don't know how Pedro found that information but
he mistook Diego M. of 1617, son of Jusepe M., for Diego M. of the
1500's. Dimas told me that he had never heard of Jusepe M. Pedro statrs
his book just after the miracle of 1623. Diego M., son of Jusepe M.,
helped build the first church in San Juan after the miracle.
I need someone who can help me prove that Jusepe M. is the son of Diego
Marquez de los Olivos who entered San Juan in the 1580's.
Chuck M.
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-----------------------------
Here is more information by that person looking for a professional
researcher. His email is below. If you think you can work with him or
know of someone that might be able to help him please contact him
directly. I and Carol Muro in the group both have roots to Sauz de Los
Marquez but not in the time frame he is talking about below. It seems if
the information is correct that Sauz de Los Marquez is a pretty old
community.
It is not mandatory but my curiosity would like to stay in the loop if
anyone finds more information.
thanks,
joseph
=====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:54:29 -0800
From:
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <49174F31.9090406@nc.rr.com>
Dear Joseph,
I am very glad you responded to my need for a professional researcher.
First, I hired George Ryscamp 20 or so years ago. He connected me to Ophelia
Marquez, a distant cousin, who has worked closely with "Somos Primos".
Ophelia and I have been researching our tree for 20 years and have gone back
to Diego Marquez who was identified as entering the town of San Juan de los
Lagos between 1584 and 1599 by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Guteierrez in his book
"Los Gutierrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlan. Los Origines" published
in 1997 in Gudalajara. He lists "Amigos de la Historia de Altos de Jalisco"
as one of the credits for his information. I believe he is on the staff at
the University of Aguascalientes. I also gave my tree to Mariano Gonzalez
Leal for his book "Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia. Here is what I
know:
Diego Marquez de los Olivos entered San Juan de los Lagos in the late
1500's. According to Pedro Marquez, who wrote "La Historia de San Juan de
los Lagos", Diego Marquez de los Olivos came from Sauz de los Marquez.
Jusepe Marquez was married on the 28 of April 1614 in Santa Maria de los
Lagos, now Lagos de Moreno, to Maria Martin del Campo y Lopez de la Cruz,
according to Gonzalo Torres Martinez in his book "Los Torres de Jaen en
Mexico". I believe Jusepe is the son of Diego Marquez de los Olivos even
though the marriage certificate says that his parents were "difuntos". In a
dispensa in the 1700's the family is identified as Marquez de los Olivos.
And Mariano Gonzalez Leal says that the original inhabitants of Altos de
Jalisco were Marquez de los Olivos.
Getting back to Diego Marquez de los Olivos of the 1500's, Phillip Wayne
Powell who wrote "Soldiers, Indians, and Silver" wrote that between 1560 and
1570, "Alli murieron algunos espanoles (uno llamado don Torquemada y cierto
Marquez y su hermano Cristobal)." Note # 8, page 256. This happened in San
Martin, a silver mining area north of Zacatecas.
The Archives of Seville wrote me that 3 Marquez brothers imigrated to New
Spain in 1537, 1554, and 1555. They were Jeronimo, Cristobal de Solis, and
Diego Marquez respectively. Mr. Powell left alll his notes from the book in
the Archives in San Luis Potosi.
This is all I have, all the data is sequential and all makes sense
chronogically and geographically. I need someone who can help me "prove" my
line. I would also like to know more about Sauz de los Marquez.
Sincerely,
Chuck Marquez de los Olivos
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: jmar06@peoplepc.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Responses to your question
I'll forward your info to the group to see if anyone has further
ideas. My Marquez and other relatives lived and possibly still live in
Sauz de Los Marquez. I'd be interested to know how Mr. Pedro Marquez
knows that Diego Marquez comes from Sauz de Los Marquez.
joseph
=====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
jmar06@peoplepc.com wrote:
> Dear Joseph,
> I am very glad you responded to my need for a professional
researcher.
> First, I hired George Ryscamp 20 or so years ago. He connected me
to Ophelia
> Marquez, a distant cousin, who has worked closely with "Somos
Primos".
> Ophelia and I have been researching our tree for 20 years and
have gone back
> to Diego Marquez who was identified as entering the town of San
Juan de los
> Lagos between 1584 and 1599 by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Guteierrez
in his book
> "Los Gutierrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlan. Los Origines"
published
> in 1997 in Gudalajara. He lists "Amigos de la Historia de Altos
de Jalisco"
> as one of the credits for his information. I believe he is on the
staff at
> the University of Aguascalientes. I also gave my tree to Mariano
Gonzalez
> Leal for his book "Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia. Here
is what I
> know:
> Diego Marquez de los Olivos entered San Juan de los Lagos in the late
> 1500's. According to Pedro Marquez, who wrote "La Historia de San
Juan de
> los Lagos", Diego Marquez de los Olivos came from Sauz de los
Marquez.
> Jusepe Marquez was married on the 28 of April 1614 in Santa Maria
de los
> Lagos, now Lagos de Moreno, to Maria Martin del Campo y Lopez de
la Cruz,
> according to Gonzalo Torres Martinez in his book "Los Torres de
Jaen en
> Mexico". I believe Jusepe is the son of Diego Marquez de los
Olivos even
> though the marriage certificate says that his parents were
"difuntos". In a
> dispensa in the 1700's the family is identified as Marquez de los
Olivos.
> And Mariano Gonzalez Leal says that the original inhabitants of
Altos de
> Jalisco were Marquez de los Olivos.
> Getting back to Diego Marquez de los Olivos of the 1500's,
Phillip Wayne
> Powell who wrote "Soldiers, Indians, and Silver" wrote that
between 1560 and
> 1570, "Alli murieron algunos espanoles (uno llamado don
Torquemada y cierto
> Marquez y su hermano Cristobal)." Note # 8, page 256. This
happened in San
> Martin, a silver mining area north of Zacatecas.
> The Archives of Seville wrote me that 3 Marquez brothers
imigrated to New
> Spain in 1537, 1554, and 1555. They were Jeronimo, Cristobal de
Solis, and
> Diego Marquez respectively. Mr. Powell left alll his notes from
the book in
> the Archives in San Luis Potosi.
> This is all I have, all the data is sequential and all makes sense
> chronogically and geographically. I need someone who can help me
"prove" my
> line. I would also like to know more about Sauz de los Marquez.
> Sincerely,
> Chuck Marquez de los Olivos
Es muy probable que a la mayoría de los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos les resulte de interés el artículo que encontrarán en la siguiente dirección: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/1113/4?etoc
Dear Danny,
My parents are both from Jalostotitlan too. You and I both
descend from the couple, Ponciano Gutierrez & Ma. Nicolasa Gutierrez.
Their son, Yreneo Gtz (married to Paulina Gonzales) was my Great
HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS
ESTOY BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE TOMAS GONZALEZ VALLEJO HIJO DE IGNACIO GONZALEZ Y FAUSTINA VALLEJO EL NACIO EN COCA SEGOVIA ESPANA EN EL ANO 1817 SI ALGIEN TIENE ALGUNA INFORMACION DE SUS DESENDIENTES SE LOS AGRADECDERE INFINITAMENTE.
Saludos, Luis Miguel, mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, soy de Jalostotitlán, Jal, y mis ancestros por lo Vallejo, son originarios de Cañadas de Obregon, que despues se regaron por Jalostotitlán, Tepatitlán, San Miguel el Alto, del Estado de Jalisco.
Mi ancestro que vino de Estado de México, Fua Lucas Vallejo Ramírez, nació en el Valle de las Amilpas Edo. de méxico en 1688, siendo el genearca de la mayoria de lso Vallejo de estas tierras. Lucas fué el Bisabuelo del General Maríano Guadalupe Vallejo, que nació el 4 o 5 de Julio de 1807, que en honor a el le pusieron el nombre a la Ciudad de Vallejo, que se encuentra como a 30 millas de San Francisco, Calif. siendo Mariano Guadalupe, hijo de Ignacio Vicente Ferrer, este hijo de Geronimo y este a la vez hijo de Lucas, al cual hice referencia.
por mi lado Vallejo, mi padre es Andres, hijo de Cecilio, hijo de Porfirio, hijo de Silverio, hijo de José GUadalupe, hijo de José Mariano (nació en 1799), hijo de Manuel hijo de Antonio Justo y este hijo de Lucas Vallejo, hijo que fué de José Vallejo y este fué hijo de Antonio de Vallejo.
El apellido Vallejo, pertenece a los apellidos de origen topónimico, (esto es que de acuerdo al terreno en que vivian) es de origen latin, que viene de "vallicus", diminutivo de Valle, "vallis", planicie entre montañas, originario de las montañes de Santander en España, siendo Antonio de Vallejo, el primero que vino de España, con Hernan Cortes, por el año de 1521, ( este Antonio de Vallejo, es el ancestro del que anote abuelo de LUcas) quién estuvo encargado de empedrar la Ciudad de México, ( de acuerdo a informaciones del Lic. Angusto Vallejo).
Todo esto te informo ya que en Jalostotitlán, Jal, que se encuentra ubicado en la región de los altos de Jalisco, existe una comunidad que se llama Coca, y donde existieron Familias con el apellido Vallejo, y el González que es muy abundante en la Región, siendo uno de los mas comunes.
Sin más de momento y esperando contactarme contigo te envió un saludo. en espera de que me informes cuales son tus ancestros Vallejo.
ATTE.
Chema> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:26:03 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] TOMAS GONZALEZ VALLEJO DE JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO NACIDO EN ESPANA> > > HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS> ESTOY BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE TOMAS GONZALEZ VALLEJO HIJO DE IGNACIO GONZALEZ Y FAUSTINA VALLEJO EL NACIO EN COCA SEGOVIA ESPANA EN EL ANO 1817 SI ALGIEN TIENE ALGUNA INFORMACION DE SUS DESENDIENTES SE LOS AGRADECDERE INFINITAMENTE. > UN CALUROSO SALUDO.> > LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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P.D. Live Search tiene una sorpresa buenísima, chécala aquí.
http://www.ganabuscando.com/Default.aspx
HI N.R. Members:
I have just received my Y-DNA profile. I belong to the Haplogroup: E1b1b1-M35. The report states the following: "E1b1b1 lineages probably dispersed into the Middle East, Southern Europe and Southern Africa." Since having traced my ancestors all the way back to Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain, I would say that the group which I belong would be Southern Europe. "Expansion into Southern Europe occurred with the Middle Eastern farmers during the Neolithic period. The entry of E1b1b-M81 into Iberia probably occurred with a later migration event via the Straight of Gibraltar when Arab-influenced Berbers occupied the Iberian Peninsula. Consequently, E1b1b1-M35 and its subclades are now the third most frequent haplogroup in Europe".
I would like to know if any other members of Nuestros Ranchos belong to this haplogroup also, I would like to hear from you. I have already found near perfect matches in Tepatitlán and Jalostotitlán, Jalisco.
John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net
John, hope you are thinking of adding your DNA results to Gary Felix site.. Congrats on taking the step to finding other genetic relatives.
Linda in Everett
--- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
From: John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
To: "General Nuestros Ranchos"
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 5:48 PM
HI N.R. Members:
I have just received my Y-DNA profile. I belong to the Haplogroup: E1b1b1-M35.
The report states the following: "E1b1b1 lineages probably dispersed into
the Middle East, Southern Europe and Southern Africa." Since having traced
my ancestors all the way back to Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain, I would say that the
group which I belong would be Southern Europe. "Expansion into Southern
Europe occurred with the Middle Eastern farmers during the Neolithic period.
The entry of E1b1b-M81 into Iberia probably occurred with a later migration
event via the Straight of Gibraltar when Arab-influenced Berbers occupied the
Iberian Peninsula. Consequently, E1b1b1-M35 and its subclades are now the third
most frequent haplogroup in Europe".
I would like to know if any other members of Nuestros Ranchos belong to this
haplogroup also, I would like to hear from you. I have already found near
perfect matches in Tepatitlán and Jalostotitlán, Jalisco.
John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net
Hi John,
My father was born in Tepatitlan. His Haplogroup is J2b1, M102+ and
M205+. Have you come across any J2b's in Tepatitlan? Where are you
finding others from Tepatitlan who have tested? I've traced his
direct line back to about 1830 and all were born in Tepa. I have not
found any matches to his DNA on FTDNA or YSearch. J2b1 also
originated in the Middle East with the largest concentration being
found in Iran and Greece. Interesting.
Linda
On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:04 PM, general-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:48:08 -0800
> From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
> To: "General Nuestros Ranchos"
> Message-ID: <4F3FBD6DC8A1461A87669D1EDA060CA2@GNZLZSPD>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> HI N.R. Members:
>
>
> I have just received my Y-DNA profile. I belong to the Haplogroup:
> E1b1b1-M35. The report states the following: "E1b1b1 lineages
> probably dispersed into the Middle East, Southern Europe and
> Southern Africa." Since having traced my ancestors all the way
> back to Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain, I would say that the group which
> I belong would be Southern Europe. "Expansion into Southern Europe
> occurred with the Middle Eastern farmers during the Neolithic
> period. The entry of E1b1b-M81 into Iberia probably occurred with
> a later migration event via the Straight of Gibraltar when Arab-
> influenced Berbers occupied the Iberian Peninsula. Consequently,
> E1b1b1-M35 and its subclades are now the third most frequent
> haplogroup in Europe".
>
> I would like to know if any other members of Nuestros Ranchos
> belong to this haplogroup also, I would like to hear from you. I
> have already found near perfect matches in Tepatitl?n and
> Jalostotitl?n, Jalisco.
>
> Researching: Barba, Beltz, Brewster, Buell, Burgess, Capwell,
> Chandler, Davis, de la Torre, Fisher, Foulkes, Hallstead/Halstead,
> Hamm, Hitchcock, Hotchkiss, Mahn, Moore, Nicol/Nichol/Nichols,
> Patterson, Phelps, Romero, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge,
>
Linda, my Earthlink address has change to Verizon. my new address is mgervassi@verizon.net
Thanks
Mary
-----Original Message-----
>From: Linda
>Sent: Nov 13, 2008 4:40 AM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
>
>Hi John,
>
>My father was born in Tepatitlan. His Haplogroup is J2b1, M102+ and
>M205+. Have you come across any J2b's in Tepatitlan? Where are you
>finding others from Tepatitlan who have tested? I've traced his
>direct line back to about 1830 and all were born in Tepa. I have not
>found any matches to his DNA on FTDNA or YSearch. J2b1 also
>originated in the Middle East with the largest concentration being
>found in Iran and Greece. Interesting.
>
>Linda
>
>
>On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:04 PM, general-
>request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:48:08 -0800
>> From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
>> To: "General Nuestros Ranchos"
>> Message-ID: <4F3FBD6DC8A1461A87669D1EDA060CA2@GNZLZSPD>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>>
>> HI N.R. Members:
>>
>>
>> I have just received my Y-DNA profile. I belong to the Haplogroup:
>> E1b1b1-M35. The report states the following: "E1b1b1 lineages
>> probably dispersed into the Middle East, Southern Europe and
>> Southern Africa." Since having traced my ancestors all the way
>> back to Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain, I would say that the group which
>> I belong would be Southern Europe. "Expansion into Southern Europe
>> occurred with the Middle Eastern farmers during the Neolithic
>> period. The entry of E1b1b-M81 into Iberia probably occurred with
>> a later migration event via the Straight of Gibraltar when Arab-
>> influenced Berbers occupied the Iberian Peninsula. Consequently,
>> E1b1b1-M35 and its subclades are now the third most frequent
>> haplogroup in Europe".
>>
>> I would like to know if any other members of Nuestros Ranchos
>> belong to this haplogroup also, I would like to hear from you. I
>> have already found near perfect matches in Tepatitl?n and
>> Jalostotitl?n, Jalisco.
>>
>
>> Researching: Barba, Beltz, Brewster, Buell, Burgess, Capwell,
>> Chandler, Davis, de la Torre, Fisher, Foulkes, Hallstead/Halstead,
>> Hamm, Hitchcock, Hotchkiss, Mahn, Moore, Nicol/Nichol/Nichols,
>> Patterson, Phelps, Romero, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge,
>>
>
>
Hi Linda:
I was tested by Genetree and in their database is where I found the people
from Tepatitlan and Jalostotitlan who had also had their Y-DNA analyzed. I
have not had a chance to search other databases.
For great and extensive information on DNA and detailed information on each
haplogroup you can go to Genebase.com. Go to Tutorials, from the left side
of the page select "Y-DNA Haplogroups", from the next window select "Learn
about Y-DNA haplogroup J" which is the second choice down. There is an
awful lot of information here, including world maps of the distribution of
the groups. Scroll down in this page until you find the group you are
interested in.
Good luck.
John Gonzalez
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda"
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 04:40
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
> Hi John,
>
> My father was born in Tepatitlan. His Haplogroup is J2b1, M102+ and
> M205+. Have you come across any J2b's in Tepatitlan? Where are you
> finding others from Tepatitlan who have tested? I've traced his direct
> line back to about 1830 and all were born in Tepa. I have not found any
> matches to his DNA on FTDNA or YSearch. J2b1 also originated in the
> Middle East with the largest concentration being found in Iran and
> Greece. Interesting.
>
> Linda
Tuesday, 11 Nov 2008
Dear Daniel--
My husband is related to Juan GODINEZ born about 1660 and married about 1684 to Micaela de Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was baptized 25 Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in La Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of Juan Baptista de OROSCO and Beatris VASQUES.
Im related to Miguel Godines that was married to Maria Carillo.
His daughter was Petra Godines who married Rafael Mora in La Barca, Jalisco.> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:44 -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > Tuesday, 11 Nov 2008> > Dear Daniel--> > My husband is related to Juan GODINEZ born about 1660 and married about 1684 to Micaela de Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was baptized 25 Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in La Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of Juan Baptista de OROSCO and Beatris VASQUES. > > I have done extensive research in the past 30 plus years. I would be interested in hearing about your lines of GODINEZ. There is also another family of Godinez that was living in the Ranchoviejo area of Atotonilco el Alto. That is now the village of Santa Elena, I believe.> > I have a number of BRIONES names. They are not on my husband's direct line but apparently married into other families. I have tracked them because of their LOMELIN connection. Some of these names are to be found in the Ranchovijo area, as mentioned above.> > Thanks for your email and I will be looking forward to your next one.> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San Diego, Ca. > > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones wrote:> > > From: Daniel Briones > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ, BARRAGAN> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19 PM> > I am related to the Godinez family coming out of La Barca.> > > > Daniel Briones> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:16:25> > -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To:> > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ, BARRAGAN>> > > Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008> > Dear Canito--> > I> > am going to Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at> > the end of November. One of the names you are apparently> > interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what I> > have:> > Atilano GODINEZ son of> Claudio GODINEZ> > and Casimira MACIEL> > Married 11 Nov 1858 in La> > Barca, Jalisco, to> > Paula BRISENO daughter of>> > > Antonio BRISENO and Andrea JIMENEZ> > Children of> > Atilano and Paula:> > 1. Maria Florencia GODINEZ> > baptized 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico> > 2. Maria> > Placida GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico >> > > 3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec 1869 in Ayo el> > Chico> mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son of Tomas BRICENO and> > Ysabel NAVARRO> child of Ysabel and Delfina was:> Jose> > Margarito BRISENO born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> who married Leodegracia BERNA on > 10 May 1909> > in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > 4. Serapio GODINEZ born> > 1872? > mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ and> > Luis GODINEZ> child of Serapio and Maria Juana was:>> > Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915 in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> > 5. Pragedis GODINEZ born 1875?> mar.> > Dolores GONZALEZ daug. of Gumesindo GONZALEZ and Refugio> > PEREZ> their child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in> > Santa Rita, > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > These are> > not my GODINEZ lines but with the families coming from La> > Barca into Santa Rita, it is all rather interesting to me.> > Besides, I am researching these lines for a fellow who is> > GODINEZ.> > Another family name I am interested in is> > BARRAGAN and they seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca,> > Jalisco.> > One of my friends, named Esther has> > ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo, which are also in the> > municipio of La Barca.> > Does any of this ring a bell> > with you?> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San> > Diego, Ca.> > > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Canito> > wrote:> > > From:> > Canito > > Subject:> > [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda,> > Briseño, Pantoja> > To:> > research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Wednesday,> > October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM> > Hola a todos, soy nuevo> > en el grupo y estoy investigando a> > mis ancestros> > que vivieron en La Barca, Jalisco > > > > La> > información que he logrado recopilar se encuentra> >> > publicada en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de>> > > momento la información con la que cuento esta> > basada> > solamente en información verbal y en> > consultas en la base> > de datos de FamilySearch.>> > > > > A continuación muestro un extracto de mi> > investigación:> > > > 4. Moisés Castañeda> > Briseño nació el 4 Sep. 1915 en> > La Barca,> > Jalisco5 y murió el 22 Dic. 1998 en Guadalajara,> >> > Jalisco6. El se casó con María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja> > el> > 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco. > >> > Padre: 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació> > en> > 1892 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 9. María De La Luz Briseño> > Briseño> > nació en 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió el 25 Oct. 1966> > en México, DF7.> >> > > > 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja nació el 15> > Ene. 1923> > en La Barca, Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct.> > 1988 en> > Guadalajara, Jalisco9. > > Padre: 10.> > Placido Cerda Hernández nació en> > 1891 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco.> > Madre: 11. Ramona Pantoja> > Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el> > 5 Oct. 1965 en Guadalajara,> > Jalisco10.> >> > > > 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep. 1916> > en Cd.> > Obregón, Sonora y murió el 13 Feb. 1999 en> > Cd. Obregón,> > Sonora. El se casó con Francisca> > Soto Sepúlveda. > > Padre: 12. Antonio Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en> > una fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 13. López murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 7. Francisca Soto Sepúlveda> > nació el 3 Dic. 1921. > > Padre: 14. Santiago Soto> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 8. Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez nació en 1892 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó con> > María De La Luz Briseño Briseño.> > Otros eventos> > en la vida de Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez>> > > Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre:> > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en> > La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 17. María Rodríguez nació en La Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > 9.> > María De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en>> > > La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966 en México,> > DF12.> > > > Otros eventos en la vida de María> > De La Luz Briseño> > Briseño> > Bautizo13 29> > Nov 1895 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 18. Trinidad> > Briceno Cortéz nació en> > 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco> > y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 19.> > Petronila Briceno González nació en> > 1869 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> >> > > > 10. Placido Cerda Hernández nació en 1891 en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La> > Barca, Jalisco. El se> > casó con Ramona Pantoja> > Rodríguez. Otros eventos> > en la vida de Placido> > Cerda Hernández> > Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 20. Felipe Cerda murió en una> > fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 21. Virginia> > Hernández murió en una> > fecha desconocida.>> > > > > 11. Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en> > Guadalajara, Jalisco15. > > > > Padre: 22.> > Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > Madre: 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 12. Antonio Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se> > casó con 2da López. > > > > 13. López murió> > en una fecha desconocida. > > > > 14. Santiago> > Soto murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó> > con Delfina Sepúlveda. > > > > 15. Delfina> > Sepúlveda murió en una fecha desconocida. > > >> > > > > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se casó con> > María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881> > en La Barca, Jalisco16. > > > > Otros eventos en> > la vida de Alberto Castañeda> > Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856> > La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 24. Francisco Castañeda> > murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 25. Lucia Davalos murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 17. María Rodríguez nació> > en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 18. Trinidad Briceno> > Cortéz nació en 1870 en La Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con> >> > Petronila Briceno González. > > Otros eventos en la> > vida de Trinidad Briceno Cortéz> > Bautizo18 12 Jun> > 1870 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 26. Ygnacio Briceno> > Luna nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz> > Padilla murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > > > 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en 1869 en> > La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > > Otros eventos en la vida de Petronila> > Briceno González> > Bautizo19 2 Jun 1869 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 28. Juan Briceno murió en una> > fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 29. Pascuala> > Gonzales López nació en> > 1843 en La Barca, Jalisco> > y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > 20.> > Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> >> > casó con Virginia Hernández. > > > > 21.> > Virginia Hernández murió en una fecha desconocida.>> > > > > > > 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se casó> > con Rodríguez. > >> > > > 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > > > 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en una> > fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con Lucia Davalos.> > > > > > 25. Lucia Davalos murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna> > nació en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con Trinidad> > Cortéz> > Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y Andrea Padilla, el>> > > 12 Feb. 1866 en La Barca, Jalisco20. > > Padre:> > 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 31. Pantaleona Luna murió en> > una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 27.> > Trinidad Cortéz Padilla murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. > > Padre: 32. Matias Cortéz murió en> > una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 33. Andrea> > Padilla murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > > > 28. Juan Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> > casó con Pascuala Gonzales López el 6 Jun.> > 1866 en La> > Barca, Jalisco. > > Padre: 34.> > Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 35. María Guadalupe Corona> > murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > > >> > 29. Pascuala Gonzales López21 nació en 1843 en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. > >> > Otros eventos en la vida de Pascuala Gonzales López>> > > Bautizo22 28 May 1843 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre:> > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 37. Lus López murió en una> > fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 30. Antonio> > Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida. El> > se> > casó con Pantaleona Luna. > > > > 31.> > Pantaleona Luna murió en una fecha desconocida. > >> > > > 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El> > se casó con Andrea Padilla. >> > > > > 33. Andrea Padilla murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 34. Patricio Briceno murió> > en una fecha desconocida. El> > se casó con María> > Guadalupe Corona. > > > > 35. María Guadalupe> > Corona murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> > > > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > El se casó con Lus López. > >> > > > 37. 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Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008
Dear Daniel--
Do you have dates on the people that you mentioned in your email?
Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego
--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones wrote:
> From: Daniel Briones
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 6:37 PM
> Im related to Miguel Godines that was married to Maria
> Carillo.
>
> His daughter was Petra Godines who married Rafael Mora in
> La Barca, Jalisco.> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:44
> -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To:
> research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros
> Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > Tuesday, 11 Nov
> 2008> > Dear Daniel--> > My husband is related
> to Juan GODINEZ born about 1660 and married about 1684 to
> Micaela de Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was baptized
> 25 Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in
> La Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of Juan
> Baptista de OROSCO and Beatris VASQUES. > > I have
> done extensive research in the past 30 plus years. I would
> be interested in hearing about your lines of GODINEZ. There
> is also another family of Godinez that was living in the
> Ranchoviejo area of Atotonilco el Alto. That is now the
> village of Santa Elena, I believe.> > I have a number
> of BRIONES names. They are not on my husband's direct
> line but apparently married into other families. I have
> tracked them because of their LOMELIN connection. Some of
> these names are to be found in the Ranchovijo area, as
> mentioned above.> > Thanks for your email and I will
> be looking forward to your next one.> > Sincerely,>
> Patricia Burton> San Diego, Ca. > > > --- On
> Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones
> wrote:> > > From: Daniel Briones
> > > Subject: [Nuestros
> Ranchos] RE: La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ,
> BARRAGAN> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> >
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19 PM> > I am
> related to the Godinez family coming out of La Barca.>
> > > > Daniel Briones> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008
> 12:16:25> > -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com>
> To:> > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re:
> [Nuestros> > Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco Briseño,
> GODINEZ, BARRAGAN>> > > Tuesday, Nov 11,
> 2008> > Dear Canito--> > I> > am going to
> Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at> > the
> end of November. One of the names you are apparently>
> > interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what
> I> > have:> > Atilano GODINEZ son of> Claudio
> GODINEZ> > and Casimira MACIEL> > Married 11 Nov
> 1858 in La> > Barca, Jalisco, to> > Paula
> BRISENO daughter of>> > > Antonio BRISENO and
> Andrea JIMENEZ> > Children of> > Atilano and
> Paula:> > 1. Maria Florencia GODINEZ> > baptized
> 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico> > 2. Maria> >
> Placida GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico
> >> > > 3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec
> 1869 in Ayo el> > Chico> mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son
> of Tomas BRICENO and> > Ysabel NAVARRO> child of
> Ysabel and Delfina was:> Jose> > Margarito BRISENO
> born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> who
> married Leodegracia BERNA on > 10 May 1909> > in
> Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > 4. Serapio GODINEZ born>
> > 1872? > mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ
> and> > Luis GODINEZ> child of Serapio and Maria
> Juana was:>> > Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915
> in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> > 5. Pragedis
> GODINEZ born 1875?> mar.> > Dolores GONZALEZ daug.
> of Gumesindo GONZALEZ and Refugio> > PEREZ> their
> child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in> > Santa
> Rita, > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > These are> >
> not my GODINEZ lines but with the families coming from
> La> > Barca into Santa Rita, it is all rather
> interesting to me.> > Besides, I am researching these
> lines for a fellow who is> > GODINEZ.> > Another
> family name I am interested in is> > BARRAGAN and they
> seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca,> >
> Jalisco.> > One of my friends, named Esther has>
> > ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo, which are also
> in the> > municipio of La Barca.> > Does any of
> this ring a bell> > with you?> > Sincerely,>
> Patricia Burton> San> > Diego, Ca.> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > --- On Wed,
> 10/1/08, Canito> >
> wrote:> > > From:> > Canito
> > > Subject:> >
> [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda,>
> > Briseño, Pantoja> > To:> >
> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date:
> Wednesday,> > October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM> > Hola
> a todos, soy nuevo> > en el grupo y estoy investigando
> a> > mis ancestros> > que vivieron en La Barca,
> Jalisco > > > > La> > información que he
> logrado recopilar se encuentra> >> > publicada
> en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de>> >
> > momento la información con la que cuento esta> >
> basada> > solamente en información verbal y en>
> > consultas en la base> > de datos de
> FamilySearch.>> > > > > A continuación
> muestro un extracto de mi> > investigación:> >
> > > 4. Moisés Castañeda> > Briseño nació el
> 4 Sep. 1915 en> > La Barca,> > Jalisco5 y murió
> el 22 Dic. 1998 en Guadalajara,> >> > Jalisco6.
> El se casó con María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja> >
> el> > 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco. > >>
> > Padre: 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació>
> > en> > 1892 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una
> fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 9.
> María De La Luz Briseño> > Briseño> > nació
> en 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió el 25 Oct.
> 1966> > en México, DF7.> >> > > >
> 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja nació el 15> > Ene.
> 1923> > en La Barca, Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct.>
> > 1988 en> > Guadalajara, Jalisco9. > >
> Padre: 10.> > Placido Cerda Hernández nació en>
> > 1891 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene.
> 1963 en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco.> > Madre:
> 11. Ramona Pantoja> > Rodríguez nació en La> >
> Barca, Jalisco y murió el> > 5 Oct. 1965 en
> Guadalajara,> > Jalisco10.> >> > > >
> 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep. 1916> >
> en Cd.> > Obregón, Sonora y murió el 13 Feb. 1999
> en> > Cd. Obregón,> > Sonora. El se casó con
> Francisca> > Soto Sepúlveda. > > Padre: 12.
> Antonio Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en> > una
> fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 13. López
> murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> >
> > > 7. Francisca Soto Sepúlveda> > nació el 3
> Dic. 1921. > > Padre: 14. Santiago Soto> >
> murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >
> Madre:> > 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una
> fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 8.
> Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez nació en 1892 en
> La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El se> > casó con> > María De La
> Luz Briseño Briseño.> > Otros eventos> > en la
> vida de Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez>>
> > > Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca, Jalisco> >
> Padre:> > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en>
> > La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha
> desconocida.> > Madre:> > 17. María Rodríguez
> nació en La Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en
> una fecha desconocida.> > > > 9.> > María
> De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en>> >
> > La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966 en
> México,> > DF12.> > > > Otros eventos en
> la vida de María> > De La Luz Briseño> >
> Briseño> > Bautizo13 29> > Nov 1895 La Barca,
> Jalisco> > Padre: 18. Trinidad> > Briceno
> Cortéz nació en> > 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco>
> > y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre:
> 19.> > Petronila Briceno González nació en> >
> 1869 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha
> desconocida.> >> > > > 10. Placido Cerda
> Hernández nació en 1891 en La> > Barca,> >
> Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La> > Barca,
> Jalisco. El se> > casó con Ramona Pantoja> >
> Rodríguez. Otros eventos> > en la vida de Placido>
> > Cerda Hernández> > Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La
> Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 20. Felipe Cerda
> murió en una> > fecha> > desconocida.> >
> Madre: 21. Virginia> > Hernández murió en una>
> > fecha desconocida.>> > > > > 11.
> Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca,>
> > Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en> >
> Guadalajara, Jalisco15. > > > > Padre: 22.>
> > Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida.>
> >> > Madre: 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha>
> >> > desconocida.> > > > 12. Antonio
> Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida. El se> > casó con 2da López. > >
> > > 13. López murió> > en una fecha
> desconocida. > > > > 14. Santiago> > Soto
> murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó>
> > con Delfina Sepúlveda. > > > > 15.
> Delfina> > Sepúlveda murió en una fecha desconocida.
> > > >> > > > > 16. Alberto
> Castañeda nació en 1856 en La> > Barca,> >
> Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se
> casó con> > María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881>
> > en La Barca, Jalisco16. > > > > Otros
> eventos en> > la vida de Alberto Castañeda> >
> Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856> > La Barca, Jalisco> >
> Padre: 24. Francisco Castañeda> > murió en una>
> > fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 25. Lucia
> Davalos murió en una fecha> >> >
> desconocida.> > > > 17. María Rodríguez
> nació> > en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 18.
> Trinidad Briceno> > Cortéz nació en 1870 en La
> Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El se casó con> >> > Petronila
> Briceno González. > > Otros eventos en la> >
> vida de Trinidad Briceno Cortéz> > Bautizo18 12
> Jun> > 1870 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 26.
> Ygnacio Briceno> > Luna nació en La> > Barca,
> Jalisco y murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> >
> Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz> > Padilla murió en
> una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > > >
> 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en 1869 en> >
> La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida. > > Otros eventos en la vida de
> Petronila> > Briceno González> > Bautizo19 2
> Jun 1869 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 28. Juan
> Briceno murió en una> > fecha> >
> desconocida.> > Madre: 29. Pascuala> > Gonzales
> López nació en> > 1843 en La Barca, Jalisco> >
> y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > >
> 20.> > Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida.
> El se> >> > casó con Virginia Hernández. >
> > > > 21.> > Virginia Hernández murió en
> una fecha desconocida.>> > > > > > >
> 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se
> casó> > con Rodríguez. > >> > > >
> 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha desconocida.> >
> > > > > 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en
> una> > fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con
> Lucia Davalos.> > > > > > 25. Lucia
> Davalos murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >
> > > 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna> > nació en La
> Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida. El se casó con Trinidad> > Cortéz>
> > Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y Andrea Padilla,
> el>> > > 12 Feb. 1866 en La Barca, Jalisco20.
> > > Padre:> > 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una
> fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 31.
> Pantaleona Luna murió en> > una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > > > 27.> > Trinidad
> Cortéz Padilla murió en una fecha> >> >
> desconocida. > > Padre: 32. Matias Cortéz murió
> en> > una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:
> 33. Andrea> > Padilla murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> >> > > > 28. Juan Briceno
> murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> >
> casó con Pascuala Gonzales López el 6 Jun.> > 1866
> en La> > Barca, Jalisco. > > Padre: 34.> >
> Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha> >> >
> desconocida.> > Madre: 35. María Guadalupe Corona>
> > murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > >
> >> > 29. Pascuala Gonzales López21 nació en 1843
> en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha
> desconocida. > >> > Otros eventos en la vida de
> Pascuala Gonzales López>> > > Bautizo22 28 May
> 1843 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre:> > 36. Antonio
> Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >> >
> desconocida.> > Madre: 37. Lus López murió en
> una> > fecha> > desconocida.> > > >
> 30. Antonio> > Briceno murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El> > se> > casó con Pantaleona
> Luna. > > > > 31.> > Pantaleona Luna
> murió en una fecha desconocida. > >> > >
> > 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida. El> > se casó con Andrea Padilla.
> >> > > > > 33. Andrea Padilla murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 34.
> Patricio Briceno murió> > en una fecha desconocida.
> El> > se casó con María> > Guadalupe Corona.
> > > > > 35. María Guadalupe> > Corona
> murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> >
> > > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.> > El se casó con Lus López. >
> >> > > > 37. Lus López murió en una fecha
> desconocida.> > > > > > Saludos !!!!>
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No, but we are looking at the early 1800's in Jalisco. These families tie into the Mora and Cabeza de Baca families. I can send you my tree and see if we have any matches.
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:08:49 -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008> > Dear Daniel--> > Do you have dates on the people that you mentioned in your email?> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San Diego> > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones wrote:> > > From: Daniel Briones > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 6:37 PM> > Im related to Miguel Godines that was married to Maria> > Carillo.> > > > His daughter was Petra Godines who married Rafael Mora in> > La Barca, Jalisco.> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:44> > -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To:> > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > Tuesday, 11 Nov> > 2008> > Dear Daniel--> > My husband is related> > to Juan GODINEZ born about 1660 and married about 1684 to> > Micaela de Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was baptized> > 25 Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in> > La Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of Juan> > Baptista de OROSCO and Beatris VASQUES. > > I have> > done extensive research in the past 30 plus years. I would> > be interested in hearing about your lines of GODINEZ. There> > is also another family of Godinez that was living in the> > Ranchoviejo area of Atotonilco el Alto. That is now the> > village of Santa Elena, I believe.> > I have a number> > of BRIONES names. They are not on my husband's direct> > line but apparently married into other families. I have> > tracked them because of their LOMELIN connection. Some of> > these names are to be found in the Ranchovijo area, as> > mentioned above.> > Thanks for your email and I will> > be looking forward to your next one.> > Sincerely,>> > Patricia Burton> San Diego, Ca. > > > --- On> > Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones > > wrote:> > > From: Daniel Briones> > > > Subject: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] RE: La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ,> > BARRAGAN> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> >> > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19 PM> > I am> > related to the Godinez family coming out of La Barca.>> > > > > Daniel Briones> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008> > 12:16:25> > -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com>> > To:> > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re:> > [Nuestros> > Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco Briseño,> > GODINEZ, BARRAGAN>> > > Tuesday, Nov 11,> > 2008> > Dear Canito--> > I> > am going to> > Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at> > the> > end of November. One of the names you are apparently>> > > interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what> > I> > have:> > Atilano GODINEZ son of> Claudio> > GODINEZ> > and Casimira MACIEL> > Married 11 Nov> > 1858 in La> > Barca, Jalisco, to> > Paula> > BRISENO daughter of>> > > Antonio BRISENO and> > Andrea JIMENEZ> > Children of> > Atilano and> > Paula:> > 1. Maria Florencia GODINEZ> > baptized> > 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico> > 2. Maria> >> > Placida GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico> > >> > > 3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec> > 1869 in Ayo el> > Chico> mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son> > of Tomas BRICENO and> > Ysabel NAVARRO> child of> > Ysabel and Delfina was:> Jose> > Margarito BRISENO> > born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> who> > married Leodegracia BERNA on > 10 May 1909> > in> > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > 4. Serapio GODINEZ born>> > > 1872? > mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ> > and> > Luis GODINEZ> child of Serapio and Maria> > Juana was:>> > Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915> > in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> > 5. Pragedis> > GODINEZ born 1875?> mar.> > Dolores GONZALEZ daug.> > of Gumesindo GONZALEZ and Refugio> > PEREZ> their> > child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in> > Santa> > Rita, > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > These are> >> > not my GODINEZ lines but with the families coming from> > La> > Barca into Santa Rita, it is all rather> > interesting to me.> > Besides, I am researching these> > lines for a fellow who is> > GODINEZ.> > Another> > family name I am interested in is> > BARRAGAN and they> > seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca,> >> > Jalisco.> > One of my friends, named Esther has>> > > ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo, which are also> > in the> > municipio of La Barca.> > Does any of> > this ring a bell> > with you?> > Sincerely,>> > Patricia Burton> San> > Diego, Ca.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Wed,> > 10/1/08, Canito> > > > wrote:> > > From:> > Canito> > > > Subject:> >> > [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda,>> > > Briseño, Pantoja> > To:> >> > research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date:> > Wednesday,> > October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM> > Hola> > a todos, soy nuevo> > en el grupo y estoy investigando> > a> > mis ancestros> > que vivieron en La Barca,> > Jalisco > > > > La> > información que he> > logrado recopilar se encuentra> >> > publicada> > en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de>> >> > > momento la información con la que cuento esta> >> > basada> > solamente en información verbal y en>> > > consultas en la base> > de datos de> > FamilySearch.>> > > > > A continuación> > muestro un extracto de mi> > investigación:> >> > > > 4. Moisés Castañeda> > Briseño nació el> > 4 Sep. 1915 en> > La Barca,> > Jalisco5 y murió> > el 22 Dic. 1998 en Guadalajara,> >> > Jalisco6.> > El se casó con María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja> >> > el> > 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco. > >>> > > Padre: 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació>> > > en> > 1892 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 9.> > María De La Luz Briseño> > Briseño> > nació> > en 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió el 25 Oct.> > 1966> > en México, DF7.> >> > > >> > 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja nació el 15> > Ene.> > 1923> > en La Barca, Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct.>> > > 1988 en> > Guadalajara, Jalisco9. > >> > Padre: 10.> > Placido Cerda Hernández nació en>> > > 1891 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene.> > 1963 en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco.> > Madre:> > 11. Ramona Pantoja> > Rodríguez nació en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el> > 5 Oct. 1965 en> > Guadalajara,> > Jalisco10.> >> > > >> > 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep. 1916> >> > en Cd.> > Obregón, Sonora y murió el 13 Feb. 1999> > en> > Cd. Obregón,> > Sonora. El se casó con> > Francisca> > Soto Sepúlveda. > > Padre: 12.> > Antonio Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en> > una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 13. López> > murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> >> > > > 7. Francisca Soto Sepúlveda> > nació el 3> > Dic. 1921. > > Padre: 14. Santiago Soto> >> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > Madre:> > 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 8.> > Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez nació en 1892 en> > La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se> > casó con> > María De La> > Luz Briseño Briseño.> > Otros eventos> > en la> > vida de Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez>>> > > > Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca, Jalisco> >> > Padre:> > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en>> > > La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 17. María Rodríguez> > nació en La Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en> > una fecha desconocida.> > > > 9.> > María> > De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en>> >> > > La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966 en> > México,> > DF12.> > > > Otros eventos en> > la vida de María> > De La Luz Briseño> >> > Briseño> > Bautizo13 29> > Nov 1895 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 18. Trinidad> > Briceno> > Cortéz nació en> > 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco>> > > y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 19.> > Petronila Briceno González nació en> >> > 1869 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > > > 10. Placido Cerda> > Hernández nació en 1891 en La> > Barca,> >> > Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco. El se> > casó con Ramona Pantoja> >> > Rodríguez. Otros eventos> > en la vida de Placido>> > > Cerda Hernández> > Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La> > Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 20. Felipe Cerda> > murió en una> > fecha> > desconocida.> >> > Madre: 21. Virginia> > Hernández murió en una>> > > fecha desconocida.>> > > > > 11.> > Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca,>> > > Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en> >> > Guadalajara, Jalisco15. > > > > Padre: 22.>> > > Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida.>> > >> > Madre: 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha>> > >> > desconocida.> > > > 12. Antonio> > Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El se> > casó con 2da López. > >> > > > 13. López murió> > en una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 14. Santiago> > Soto> > murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó>> > > con Delfina Sepúlveda. > > > > 15.> > Delfina> > Sepúlveda murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > >> > > > > 16. Alberto> > Castañeda nació en 1856 en La> > Barca,> >> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> > casó con> > María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881>> > > en La Barca, Jalisco16. > > > > Otros> > eventos en> > la vida de Alberto Castañeda> >> > Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856> > La Barca, Jalisco> >> > Padre: 24. Francisco Castañeda> > murió en una>> > > fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 25. Lucia> > Davalos murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > > > 17. María Rodríguez> > nació> > en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en> > una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 18.> > Trinidad Briceno> > Cortéz nació en 1870 en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con> >> > Petronila> > Briceno González. > > Otros eventos en la> >> > vida de Trinidad Briceno Cortéz> > Bautizo18 12> > Jun> > 1870 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 26.> > Ygnacio Briceno> > Luna nació en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz> > Padilla murió en> > una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > > >> > 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en 1869 en> >> > La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. > > Otros eventos en la vida de> > Petronila> > Briceno González> > Bautizo19 2> > Jun 1869 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 28. Juan> > Briceno murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 29. Pascuala> > Gonzales> > López nació en> > 1843 en La Barca, Jalisco> >> > y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > >> > 20.> > Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> >> > casó con Virginia Hernández. >> > > > > 21.> > Virginia Hernández murió en> > una fecha desconocida.>> > > > > > >> > 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se> > casó> > con Rodríguez. > >> > > >> > 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha desconocida.> >> > > > > > 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en> > una> > fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con> > Lucia Davalos.> > > > > > 25. Lucia> > Davalos murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> > > > 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna> > nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El se casó con Trinidad> > Cortéz>> > > Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y Andrea Padilla,> > el>> > > 12 Feb. 1866 en La Barca, Jalisco20.> > > > Padre:> > 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 31.> > Pantaleona Luna murió en> > una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 27.> > Trinidad> > Cortéz Padilla murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida. > > Padre: 32. Matias Cortéz murió> > en> > una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 33. Andrea> > Padilla murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> >> > > > 28. Juan Briceno> > murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> >> > casó con Pascuala Gonzales López el 6 Jun.> > 1866> > en La> > Barca, Jalisco. > > Padre: 34.> >> > Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 35. María Guadalupe Corona>> > > murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > >> > >> > 29. Pascuala Gonzales López21 nació en 1843> > en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> > Otros eventos en la vida de> > Pascuala Gonzales López>> > > Bautizo22 28 May> > 1843 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre:> > 36. Antonio> > Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 37. Lus López murió en> > una> > fecha> > desconocida.> > > >> > 30. Antonio> > Briceno murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El> > se> > casó con Pantaleona> > Luna. > > > > 31.> > Pantaleona Luna> > murió en una fecha desconocida. > >> > >> > > 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El> > se casó con Andrea Padilla.> > >> > > > > 33. Andrea Padilla murió en> > una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 34.> > Patricio Briceno murió> > en una fecha desconocida.> > El> > se casó con María> > Guadalupe Corona.> > > > > > 35. María Guadalupe> > Corona> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> >> > > > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > El se casó con Lus López. >> > >> > > > 37. 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Petra Godines married Rafael Mora in about 1821. I am assuming that she was born around 1795-1803> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:08:49 -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008> > Dear Daniel--> > Do you have dates on the people that you mentioned in your email?> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San Diego> > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones wrote:> > > From: Daniel Briones > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 6:37 PM> > Im related to Miguel Godines that was married to Maria> > Carillo.> > > > His daughter was Petra Godines who married Rafael Mora in> > La Barca, Jalisco.> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:44> > -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To:> > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > Tuesday, 11 Nov> > 2008> > Dear Daniel--> > My husband is related> > to Juan GODINEZ born about 1660 and married about 1684 to> > Micaela de Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was baptized> > 25 Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in> > La Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of Juan> > Baptista de OROSCO and Beatris VASQUES. > > I have> > done extensive research in the past 30 plus years. I would> > be interested in hearing about your lines of GODINEZ. There> > is also another family of Godinez that was living in the> > Ranchoviejo area of Atotonilco el Alto. That is now the> > village of Santa Elena, I believe.> > I have a number> > of BRIONES names. They are not on my husband's direct> > line but apparently married into other families. I have> > tracked them because of their LOMELIN connection. Some of> > these names are to be found in the Ranchovijo area, as> > mentioned above.> > Thanks for your email and I will> > be looking forward to your next one.> > Sincerely,>> > Patricia Burton> San Diego, Ca. > > > --- On> > Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones > > wrote:> > > From: Daniel Briones> > > > Subject: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] RE: La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ,> > BARRAGAN> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> >> > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19 PM> > I am> > related to the Godinez family coming out of La Barca.>> > > > > Daniel Briones> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008> > 12:16:25> > -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com>> > To:> > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re:> > [Nuestros> > Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco Briseño,> > GODINEZ, BARRAGAN>> > > Tuesday, Nov 11,> > 2008> > Dear Canito--> > I> > am going to> > Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at> > the> > end of November. One of the names you are apparently>> > > interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what> > I> > have:> > Atilano GODINEZ son of> Claudio> > GODINEZ> > and Casimira MACIEL> > Married 11 Nov> > 1858 in La> > Barca, Jalisco, to> > Paula> > BRISENO daughter of>> > > Antonio BRISENO and> > Andrea JIMENEZ> > Children of> > Atilano and> > Paula:> > 1. Maria Florencia GODINEZ> > baptized> > 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico> > 2. Maria> >> > Placida GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico> > >> > > 3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec> > 1869 in Ayo el> > Chico> mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son> > of Tomas BRICENO and> > Ysabel NAVARRO> child of> > Ysabel and Delfina was:> Jose> > Margarito BRISENO> > born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> who> > married Leodegracia BERNA on > 10 May 1909> > in> > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > 4. Serapio GODINEZ born>> > > 1872? > mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ> > and> > Luis GODINEZ> child of Serapio and Maria> > Juana was:>> > Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915> > in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> > 5. Pragedis> > GODINEZ born 1875?> mar.> > Dolores GONZALEZ daug.> > of Gumesindo GONZALEZ and Refugio> > PEREZ> their> > child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in> > Santa> > Rita, > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > These are> >> > not my GODINEZ lines but with the families coming from> > La> > Barca into Santa Rita, it is all rather> > interesting to me.> > Besides, I am researching these> > lines for a fellow who is> > GODINEZ.> > Another> > family name I am interested in is> > BARRAGAN and they> > seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca,> >> > Jalisco.> > One of my friends, named Esther has>> > > ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo, which are also> > in the> > municipio of La Barca.> > Does any of> > this ring a bell> > with you?> > Sincerely,>> > Patricia Burton> San> > Diego, Ca.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Wed,> > 10/1/08, Canito> > > > wrote:> > > From:> > Canito> > > > Subject:> >> > [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda,>> > > Briseño, Pantoja> > To:> >> > research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date:> > Wednesday,> > October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM> > Hola> > a todos, soy nuevo> > en el grupo y estoy investigando> > a> > mis ancestros> > que vivieron en La Barca,> > Jalisco > > > > La> > información que he> > logrado recopilar se encuentra> >> > publicada> > en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de>> >> > > momento la información con la que cuento esta> >> > basada> > solamente en información verbal y en>> > > consultas en la base> > de datos de> > FamilySearch.>> > > > > A continuación> > muestro un extracto de mi> > investigación:> >> > > > 4. Moisés Castañeda> > Briseño nació el> > 4 Sep. 1915 en> > La Barca,> > Jalisco5 y murió> > el 22 Dic. 1998 en Guadalajara,> >> > Jalisco6.> > El se casó con María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja> >> > el> > 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco. > >>> > > Padre: 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació>> > > en> > 1892 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 9.> > María De La Luz Briseño> > Briseño> > nació> > en 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió el 25 Oct.> > 1966> > en México, DF7.> >> > > >> > 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja nació el 15> > Ene.> > 1923> > en La Barca, Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct.>> > > 1988 en> > Guadalajara, Jalisco9. > >> > Padre: 10.> > Placido Cerda Hernández nació en>> > > 1891 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene.> > 1963 en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco.> > Madre:> > 11. Ramona Pantoja> > Rodríguez nació en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el> > 5 Oct. 1965 en> > Guadalajara,> > Jalisco10.> >> > > >> > 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep. 1916> >> > en Cd.> > Obregón, Sonora y murió el 13 Feb. 1999> > en> > Cd. Obregón,> > Sonora. El se casó con> > Francisca> > Soto Sepúlveda. > > Padre: 12.> > Antonio Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en> > una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 13. López> > murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> >> > > > 7. Francisca Soto Sepúlveda> > nació el 3> > Dic. 1921. > > Padre: 14. Santiago Soto> >> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > Madre:> > 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 8.> > Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez nació en 1892 en> > La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se> > casó con> > María De La> > Luz Briseño Briseño.> > Otros eventos> > en la> > vida de Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez>>> > > > Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca, Jalisco> >> > Padre:> > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en>> > > La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 17. María Rodríguez> > nació en La Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en> > una fecha desconocida.> > > > 9.> > María> > De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en>> >> > > La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966 en> > México,> > DF12.> > > > Otros eventos en> > la vida de María> > De La Luz Briseño> >> > Briseño> > Bautizo13 29> > Nov 1895 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 18. Trinidad> > Briceno> > Cortéz nació en> > 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco>> > > y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 19.> > Petronila Briceno González nació en> >> > 1869 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > > > 10. Placido Cerda> > Hernández nació en 1891 en La> > Barca,> >> > Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco. El se> > casó con Ramona Pantoja> >> > Rodríguez. Otros eventos> > en la vida de Placido>> > > Cerda Hernández> > Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La> > Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 20. Felipe Cerda> > murió en una> > fecha> > desconocida.> >> > Madre: 21. Virginia> > Hernández murió en una>> > > fecha desconocida.>> > > > > 11.> > Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca,>> > > Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en> >> > Guadalajara, Jalisco15. > > > > Padre: 22.>> > > Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida.>> > >> > Madre: 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha>> > >> > desconocida.> > > > 12. Antonio> > Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El se> > casó con 2da López. > >> > > > 13. López murió> > en una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 14. Santiago> > Soto> > murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó>> > > con Delfina Sepúlveda. > > > > 15.> > Delfina> > Sepúlveda murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > >> > > > > 16. Alberto> > Castañeda nació en 1856 en La> > Barca,> >> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> > casó con> > María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881>> > > en La Barca, Jalisco16. > > > > Otros> > eventos en> > la vida de Alberto Castañeda> >> > Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856> > La Barca, Jalisco> >> > Padre: 24. Francisco Castañeda> > murió en una>> > > fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 25. Lucia> > Davalos murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > > > 17. María Rodríguez> > nació> > en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en> > una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 18.> > Trinidad Briceno> > Cortéz nació en 1870 en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con> >> > Petronila> > Briceno González. > > Otros eventos en la> >> > vida de Trinidad Briceno Cortéz> > Bautizo18 12> > Jun> > 1870 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 26.> > Ygnacio Briceno> > Luna nació en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz> > Padilla murió en> > una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > > >> > 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en 1869 en> >> > La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. > > Otros eventos en la vida de> > Petronila> > Briceno González> > Bautizo19 2> > Jun 1869 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 28. Juan> > Briceno murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 29. Pascuala> > Gonzales> > López nació en> > 1843 en La Barca, Jalisco> >> > y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > >> > 20.> > Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> >> > casó con Virginia Hernández. >> > > > > 21.> > Virginia Hernández murió en> > una fecha desconocida.>> > > > > > >> > 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se> > casó> > con Rodríguez. > >> > > >> > 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha desconocida.> >> > > > > > 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en> > una> > fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con> > Lucia Davalos.> > > > > > 25. Lucia> > Davalos murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> > > > 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna> > nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El se casó con Trinidad> > Cortéz>> > > Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y Andrea Padilla,> > el>> > > 12 Feb. 1866 en La Barca, Jalisco20.> > > > Padre:> > 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 31.> > Pantaleona Luna murió en> > una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 27.> > Trinidad> > Cortéz Padilla murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida. > > Padre: 32. Matias Cortéz murió> > en> > una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 33. Andrea> > Padilla murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> >> > > > 28. Juan Briceno> > murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> >> > casó con Pascuala Gonzales López el 6 Jun.> > 1866> > en La> > Barca, Jalisco. > > Padre: 34.> >> > Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 35. María Guadalupe Corona>> > > murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > >> > >> > 29. Pascuala Gonzales López21 nació en 1843> > en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> > Otros eventos en la vida de> > Pascuala Gonzales López>> > > Bautizo22 28 May> > 1843 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre:> > 36. Antonio> > Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 37. Lus López murió en> > una> > fecha> > desconocida.> > > >> > 30. Antonio> > Briceno murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El> > se> > casó con Pantaleona> > Luna. > > > > 31.> > Pantaleona Luna> > murió en una fecha desconocida. > >> > >> > > 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El> > se casó con Andrea Padilla.> > >> > > > > 33. Andrea Padilla murió en> > una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 34.> > Patricio Briceno murió> > en una fecha desconocida.> > El> > se casó con María> > Guadalupe Corona.> > > > > > 35. María Guadalupe> > Corona> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> >> > > > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > El se casó con Lus López. >> > >> > > > 37. Lus López murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > > > Saludos !!!!>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > -- -- -- -- --> > -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > --> > Nuestros Ranchos Research> > Mailing> > List> > > > To post, send email to:>> >> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > > >> > To> > change your subscription, log on to:>> > >> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- -- --> > -- -- -- -- -- --> > -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research> > Mailing> > List> > To post, send email to:>> >> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your>> > > subscription, log on to:>> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> > _________________________________________________________________>> > > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.> >> > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5g…; > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> >> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > > > To> > post, send email to:> >> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > > > To change> > your subscription, log on to:> >> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > > >> > > > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To> > post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org>> > > To change your subscription, log on to:>> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > _________________________________________________________________> > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone> > with Windows Live> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > > > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > > > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008
Dear Daniel-
These are the microfilms I have on permanent loan at my local Family History Center. Next time I go, I will see what I can find out.
281,017 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1769-1801 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,018 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1779-1801 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,023 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1828-1836 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,070 Matrimonios 1681-1768 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,071 Matrimonios 1768-1814 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
281,073 Matrimonios 1836-1861 La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
Although the dates for Petra GODINEZ and Rafael MORA are not covered here, perhaps I can find either his or her siblings and or parents or some of Petra and Rafael's children.
I have just started to trace a Maria Andrea MORA born to Rafael MORA and Julia RODRIGUEZ. She married 29 Jun 1879 in La Barca so I am thinking that this part of the MORA family might go back a few decades into La Barca, also.
Any other information with place and or approximate dates would be quite helpful.
Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego
--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones wrote:
> From: Daniel Briones
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:11 PM
> Petra Godines married Rafael Mora in about 1821. I am
> assuming that she was born around 1795-1803> Date: Tue,
> 11 Nov 2008 20:08:49 -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com>
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros
> Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > Tuesday, Nov 11,
> 2008> > Dear Daniel--> > Do you have dates on
> the people that you mentioned in your email?> >
> Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San Diego> > >
> --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones
> wrote:> > > From:
> Daniel Briones > >
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> >
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Tuesday,
> November 11, 2008, 6:37 PM> > Im related to Miguel
> Godines that was married to Maria> > Carillo.> >
> > > His daughter was Petra Godines who married Rafael
> Mora in> > La Barca, Jalisco.> Date: Tue, 11 Nov
> 2008 15:36:44> > -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com>
> To:> > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re:
> [Nuestros> > Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> >
> Tuesday, 11 Nov> > 2008> > Dear Daniel-->
> > My husband is related> > to Juan GODINEZ born
> about 1660 and married about 1684 to> > Micaela de
> Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was baptized> > 25
> Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in>
> > La Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of
> Juan> > Baptista de OROSCO and Beatris VASQUES. >
> > I have> > done extensive research in the past 30
> plus years. I would> > be interested in hearing about
> your lines of GODINEZ. There> > is also another family
> of Godinez that was living in the> > Ranchoviejo area
> of Atotonilco el Alto. That is now the> > village of
> Santa Elena, I believe.> > I have a number> > of
> BRIONES names. They are not on my husband's direct>
> > line but apparently married into other families. I
> have> > tracked them because of their LOMELIN
> connection. Some of> > these names are to be found in
> the Ranchovijo area, as> > mentioned above.> >
> Thanks for your email and I will> > be looking forward
> to your next one.> > Sincerely,>> > Patricia
> Burton> San Diego, Ca. > > > --- On> >
> Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones
> > > wrote:> > >
> From: Daniel Briones> >
> > > Subject: [Nuestros>
> > Ranchos] RE: La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ,>
> > BARRAGAN> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
> >> > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19 PM>
> > I am> > related to the Godinez family coming out
> of La Barca.>> > > > > Daniel Briones>
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008> > 12:16:25> > -0800>
> From: canprin@yahoo.com>> > To:> >
> research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re:> >
> [Nuestros> > Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco Briseño,>
> > GODINEZ, BARRAGAN>> > > Tuesday, Nov
> 11,> > 2008> > Dear Canito--> > I> >
> am going to> > Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one
> week at> > the> > end of November. One of the
> names you are apparently>> > > interested in is
> Briseno and so am I. Here is what> > I> >
> have:> > Atilano GODINEZ son of> Claudio> >
> GODINEZ> > and Casimira MACIEL> > Married 11
> Nov> > 1858 in La> > Barca, Jalisco, to> >
> Paula> > BRISENO daughter of>> > > Antonio
> BRISENO and> > Andrea JIMENEZ> > Children of>
> > Atilano and> > Paula:> > 1. Maria Florencia
> GODINEZ> > baptized> > 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el
> Chico> > 2. Maria> >> > Placida GODINEZ
> baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico> > >> >
> > 3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec> > 1869
> in Ayo el> > Chico> mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son>
> > of Tomas BRICENO and> > Ysabel NAVARRO> child
> of> > Ysabel and Delfina was:> Jose> >
> Margarito BRISENO> > born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita,
> Ayo el> > Chico> who> > married Leodegracia
> BERNA on > 10 May 1909> > in> > Ayo el Chico,
> Jalisco> > 4. Serapio GODINEZ born>> > >
> 1872? > mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ>
> > and> > Luis GODINEZ> child of Serapio and
> Maria> > Juana was:>> > Maria Guadalupe
> GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915> > in Santa Rita, Ayo el> >
> Chico> > 5. Pragedis> > GODINEZ born 1875?>
> mar.> > Dolores GONZALEZ daug.> > of Gumesindo
> GONZALEZ and Refugio> > PEREZ> their> > child
> Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in> > Santa> >
> Rita, > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > These are>
> >> > not my GODINEZ lines but with the families
> coming from> > La> > Barca into Santa Rita, it
> is all rather> > interesting to me.> > Besides,
> I am researching these> > lines for a fellow who
> is> > GODINEZ.> > Another> > family name I
> am interested in is> > BARRAGAN and they> > seem
> to have been in El Carmen, La Barca,> >> >
> Jalisco.> > One of my friends, named Esther
> has>> > > ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo,
> which are also> > in the> > municipio of La
> Barca.> > Does any of> > this ring a bell>
> > with you?> > Sincerely,>> > Patricia
> Burton> San> > Diego, Ca.> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > --- On
> Wed,> > 10/1/08, Canito> >
> > > wrote:> >
> > From:> > Canito> >
> > > Subject:>
> >> > [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco -
> Castañeda, Cerda,>> > > Briseño, Pantoja>
> > To:> >> >
> research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date:> >
> Wednesday,> > October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM> >
> Hola> > a todos, soy nuevo> > en el grupo y
> estoy investigando> > a> > mis ancestros>
> > que vivieron en La Barca,> > Jalisco > >
> > > La> > información que he> > logrado
> recopilar se encuentra> >> > publicada> >
> en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de>>
> >> > > momento la información con la que cuento
> esta> >> > basada> > solamente en
> información verbal y en>> > > consultas en la
> base> > de datos de> > FamilySearch.>>
> > > > > A continuación> > muestro un
> extracto de mi> > investigación:> >> >
> > > 4. Moisés Castañeda> > Briseño nació
> el> > 4 Sep. 1915 en> > La Barca,> >
> Jalisco5 y murió> > el 22 Dic. 1998 en
> Guadalajara,> >> > Jalisco6.> > El se
> casó con María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja> >> >
> el> > 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco. >
> >>> > > Padre: 8. Francisco Castañeda
> Rodríguez nació>> > > en> > 1892 en La
> Barca, Jalisco y murió en una> > fecha> >>
> > desconocida.> > Madre: 9.> > María De La
> Luz Briseño> > Briseño> > nació> > en
> 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió el 25 Oct.>
> > 1966> > en México, DF7.> >> > >
> >> > 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja nació el
> 15> > Ene.> > 1923> > en La Barca,
> Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct.>> > > 1988 en>
> > Guadalajara, Jalisco9. > >> > Padre:
> 10.> > Placido Cerda Hernández nació en>> >
> > 1891 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26
> Ene.> > 1963 en La> >> > Barca,
> Jalisco.> > Madre:> > 11. Ramona Pantoja>
> > Rodríguez nació en La> >> > Barca,
> Jalisco y murió el> > 5 Oct. 1965 en> >
> Guadalajara,> > Jalisco10.> >> > >
> >> > 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep.
> 1916> >> > en Cd.> > Obregón, Sonora y
> murió el 13 Feb. 1999> > en> > Cd.
> Obregón,> > Sonora. El se casó con> >
> Francisca> > Soto Sepúlveda. > > Padre: 12.>
> > Antonio Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en> >
> una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 13.
> López> > murió en una fecha> >> >
> desconocida.> >> > > > 7. Francisca Soto
> Sepúlveda> > nació el 3> > Dic. 1921. >
> > Padre: 14. Santiago Soto> >> > murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > Madre:>
> > 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una> > fecha>
> >> > desconocida.> > > > 8.> >
> Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez nació en 1892
> en> > La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida. El se> > casó con>
> > María De La> > Luz Briseño Briseño.> >
> Otros eventos> > en la> > vida de Francisco
> Castañeda> > Rodríguez>>> > > >
> Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca, Jalisco> >> >
> Padre:> > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856
> en>> > > La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 17.
> María Rodríguez> > nació en La Barca,> >
> Jalisco y> > murió en> > una fecha
> desconocida.> > > > 9.> > María> >
> De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en>>
> >> > > La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct.
> 1966 en> > México,> > DF12.> > > >
> Otros eventos en> > la vida de María> > De La
> Luz Briseño> >> > Briseño> > Bautizo13
> 29> > Nov 1895 La Barca,> > Jalisco> >
> Padre: 18. Trinidad> > Briceno> > Cortéz nació
> en> > 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco>> > > y
> murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> >
> 19.> > Petronila Briceno González nació en>
> >> > 1869 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > > >
> 10. Placido Cerda> > Hernández nació en 1891 en
> La> > Barca,> >> > Jalisco y murió el 26
> Ene. 1963 en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco. El se>
> > casó con Ramona Pantoja> >> > Rodríguez.
> Otros eventos> > en la vida de Placido>> >
> > Cerda Hernández> > Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La>
> > Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 20. Felipe
> Cerda> > murió en una> > fecha> >
> desconocida.> >> > Madre: 21. Virginia> >
> Hernández murió en una>> > > fecha
> desconocida.>> > > > > 11.> > Ramona
> Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca,>> >
> > Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en> >> >
> Guadalajara, Jalisco15. > > > > Padre:
> 22.>> > > Pantoja murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida.>> > >> > Madre: 23.
> Rodríguez murió en una fecha>> > >> >
> desconocida.> > > > 12. Antonio> >
> Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en una fecha> >>
> > desconocida. El se> > casó con 2da López. >
> >> > > > 13. López murió> > en una
> fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 14.
> Santiago> > Soto> > murió en una fecha
> desconocida. El se> > casó>> > > con
> Delfina Sepúlveda. > > > > 15.> >
> Delfina> > Sepúlveda murió en una fecha
> desconocida.> > > > >> > > > >
> 16. Alberto> > Castañeda nació en 1856 en La>
> > Barca,> >> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha
> desconocida.> > El se> > casó con> >
> María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881>> > > en La
> Barca, Jalisco16. > > > > Otros> > eventos
> en> > la vida de Alberto Castañeda> >> >
> Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856> > La Barca, Jalisco> >>
> > Padre: 24. Francisco Castañeda> > murió en
> una>> > > fecha desconocida.> > Madre:>
> > 25. Lucia> > Davalos murió en una fecha>
> >> >> > desconocida.> > > > 17.
> María Rodríguez> > nació> > en La Barca,
> Jalisco y> > murió en> > una fecha> >
> desconocida. > > > > 18.> > Trinidad
> Briceno> > Cortéz nació en 1870 en La> >
> Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha>
> > desconocida. El se casó con> >> >
> Petronila> > Briceno González. > > Otros
> eventos en la> >> > vida de Trinidad Briceno
> Cortéz> > Bautizo18 12> > Jun> > 1870 La
> Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 26.> > Ygnacio
> Briceno> > Luna nació en La> > Barca,> >
> Jalisco y murió en una> > fecha desconocida.>
> >> > Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz> > Padilla
> murió en> > una> > fecha desconocida.>
> >> > > >> > 19. Petronila Briceno
> González nació en 1869 en> >> > La> >
> Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >> >
> desconocida. > > Otros eventos en la vida de> >
> Petronila> > Briceno González> > Bautizo19
> 2> > Jun 1869 La Barca,> > Jalisco> >
> Padre: 28. Juan> > Briceno murió en una> >
> fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 29.
> Pascuala> > Gonzales> > López nació en>
> > 1843 en La Barca, Jalisco> >> > y murió en
> una fecha desconocida.> > > >> > 20.>
> > Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida.> >
> El se> >> > casó con Virginia Hernández.
> >> > > > > 21.> > Virginia
> Hernández murió en> > una fecha desconocida.>>
> > > > > > >> > 22. Pantoja murió en
> una fecha> > desconocida. El se> > casó>
> > con Rodríguez. > >> > > >> >
> 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha desconocida.> >>
> > > > > > 24. Francisco Castañeda murió
> en> > una> > fecha> > desconocida. El se
> casó con> > Lucia Davalos.> > > > >
> > 25. Lucia> > Davalos murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida. > >> > > > 26. Ygnacio
> Briceno Luna> > nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco
> y> > murió en una fecha> >> >
> desconocida. El se casó con Trinidad> >
> Cortéz>> > > Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y
> Andrea Padilla,> > el>> > > 12 Feb. 1866
> en La Barca, Jalisco20.> > > > Padre:> >
> 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una> > fecha>
> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 31.> >
> Pantaleona Luna murió en> > una fecha> >>
> > desconocida.> > > > 27.> >
> Trinidad> > Cortéz Padilla murió en una fecha>
> >> >> > desconocida. > > Padre: 32.
> Matias Cortéz murió> > en> > una fecha>
> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 33. Andrea>
> > Padilla murió en una fecha> >> >
> desconocida.> >> > > > 28. Juan
> Briceno> > murió en una fecha desconocida.> >
> El se> >> > casó con Pascuala Gonzales López
> el 6 Jun.> > 1866> > en La> > Barca,
> Jalisco. > > Padre: 34.> >> > Patricio
> Briceno murió en una fecha> >> >> >
> desconocida.> > Madre: 35. María Guadalupe
> Corona>> > > murió en una> > fecha
> desconocida.> > >> > >> > 29.
> Pascuala Gonzales López21 nació en 1843> > en La>
> >> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida. > >> > Otros eventos en la vida
> de> > Pascuala Gonzales López>> > >
> Bautizo22 28 May> > 1843 La Barca, Jalisco> >
> Padre:> > 36. Antonio> > Gonzáles murió en una
> fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> >
> Madre: 37. Lus López murió en> > una> >
> fecha> > desconocida.> > > >> > 30.
> Antonio> > Briceno murió en una fecha> >
> desconocida. El> > se> > casó con
> Pantaleona> > Luna. > > > > 31.> >
> Pantaleona Luna> > murió en una fecha desconocida.
> > >> > >> > > 32. Matias Cortéz
> murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El>
> > se casó con Andrea Padilla.> > >> >
> > > > 33. Andrea Padilla murió en> > una
> fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 34.> >
> Patricio Briceno murió> > en una fecha
> desconocida.> > El> > se casó con María>
> > Guadalupe Corona.> > > > > > 35.
> María Guadalupe> > Corona> > murió en una
> fecha> > desconocida. > >> >> > >
> > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >>
> > desconocida.> > El se casó con Lus López.
> >> > >> > > > 37. Lus López murió
> en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > >
> > Saludos !!!!>> > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > -- --
Hi, I cannot help you with this yet, but I may be starting to tie up with "Cabeza de Baca".
I'll keep you posted.
-Esther
esther@enhanced.org
No, but we are looking at the early 1800's in Jalisco. These families tie into
the Mora and Cabeza de Baca families. I can send you my tree and see if we have
any matches.
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:08:49 -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and
BRIONES> > Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008> > Dear Daniel--> > Do you have dates on the
people that you mentioned in your email?> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San
Diego> > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones wrote:>
> > From: Daniel Briones > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros
Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Date:
Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 6:37 PM> > Im related to Miguel Godines that was
married to Maria> > Carillo.> > > > His daughter was Petra Godines who married
Rafael Mora in> > La Barca, Jalisco.> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:44> > -0800>
From: canprin@yahoo.com> To:> > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re:
[Nuestros> > Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES> > Tuesday, 11 Nov> > 2008> > Dear
Daniel--> > My husband is related> > to Juan GODINEZ born about 1660 and
married about 1684 to> > Micaela de Estrada. Their son Antonio GODINES was
baptized> > 25 Mar 1685 in Ocotlan, Jalisco and married 6 Mar 1707, in> > La
Barca to Manuela de LOMELIN, who was the daughter of Juan> > Baptista de OROSCO
and Beatris VASQUES. > > I have> > done extensive research in the past 30 plus
years. I would> > be interested in hearing about your lines of GODINEZ. There>
> is also another family of Godinez that was living in the> > Ranchoviejo area
of Atotonilco el Alto. That is now the> > village of Santa Elena, I believe.> >
I have a number> > of BRIONES names. They are not on my husband's direct> >
line but apparently married into other families. I have> > tracked them because
of their LOMELIN connection. Some of> > these names are to be found in the
Ranchovijo area, as> > mentioned above.> > Thanks for your email and I will> >
be looking forward to your next one.> > Sincerely,>> > Patricia Burton> San
Diego, Ca. > > > --- On> > Tue, 11/11/08, Daniel Briones
> > wrote:> > > From: Daniel Briones> >
> > Subject: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] RE: La Barca Jalisco
Briseño, GODINEZ,> > BARRAGAN> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> >> > Date:
Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19 PM> > I am> > related to the Godinez family
coming out of La Barca.>> > > > > Daniel Briones> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008> >
12:16:25> > -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com>> > To:> >
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re:> > [Nuestros> > Ranchos] La Barca
Jalisco Briseño,> > GODINEZ, BARRAGAN>> > > Tuesday, Nov 11,> > 2008> > Dear
Canito--> > I> > am going to> > Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at>
> the> > end of November. One of the names you are apparently>> > > interested
in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what> > I> > have:> > Atilano GODINEZ son
of> Claudio> > GODINEZ> > and Casimira MACIEL> > Married 11 Nov> > 1858 in La>
> Barca, Jalisco, to> > Paula> > BRISENO daughter of>> > > Antonio BRISENO and>
> Andrea JIMENEZ> > Children of> > Atilano and> > Paula:> > 1. Maria Florencia
GODINEZ> > baptized> > 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico> > 2. Maria> >> > Placida
GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico> > >> > > 3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ
baptized 30 Dec> > 1869 in Ayo el> > Chico> mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son> > of
Tomas BRICENO and> > Ysabel NAVARRO> child of> > Ysabel and Delfina was:> Jose>
> Margarito BRISENO> > born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> who> >
married Leodegracia BERNA on > 10 May 1909> > in> > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > 4.
Serapio GODINEZ born>> > > 1872? > mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor
NUNEZ> > and> > Luis GODINEZ> child of Serapio and Maria> > Juana was:>> >
Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915> > in Santa Rita, Ayo el> > Chico> > 5.
Pragedis> > GODINEZ born 1875?> mar.> > Dolores GONZALEZ daug.> > of Gumesindo
GONZALEZ and Refugio> > PEREZ> their> > child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920
in> > Santa> > Rita, > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > These are> >> > not my GODINEZ
lines but with the families coming from> > La> > Barca into Santa Rita, it is
all rather> > interesting to me.> > Besides, I am researching these> > lines
for a fellow who is> > GODINEZ.> > Another> > family name I am interested in
is> > BARRAGAN and they> > seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca,> >> >
Jalisco.> > One of my friends, named Esther has>> > > ancestors in Govenador
and Portezuelo, which are also> > in the> > municipio of La Barca.> > Does any
of> > this ring a bell> > with you?> > Sincerely,>> > Patricia Burton> San> >
Diego, Ca.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Wed,> > 10/1/08, Canito> >
> > wrote:> > > From:> > Canito> >
> > Subject:> >> > [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco
- Castañeda, Cerda,>> > > Briseño, Pantoja> > To:> >> >
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date:> > Wednesday,> > October 1, 2008,
12:36 PM> > Hola> > a todos, soy nuevo> > en el grupo y estoy investigando> >
a> > mis ancestros> > que vivieron en La Barca,> > Jalisco > > > > La> >
información que he> > logrado recopilar se encuentra> >> > publicada> > en
http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de>> >> > > momento la información con
la que cuento esta> >> > basada> > solamente en información verbal y en>> > >
consultas en la base> > de datos de> > FamilySearch.>> > > > > A continuación>
> muestro un extracto de mi> > investigación:> >> > > > 4. Moisés Castañeda> >
Briseño nació el> > 4 Sep. 1915 en> > La Barca,> > Jalisco5 y murió> > el 22
Dic. 1998 en Guadalajara,> >> > Jalisco6.> > El se casó con María De La Luz
Cerda Pantoja> >> > el> > 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco. > >>> > > Padre:
8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació>> > > en> > 1892 en La Barca, Jalisco y
murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 9.> > María De La Luz
Briseño> > Briseño> > nació> > en 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió el 25
Oct.> > 1966> > en México, DF7.> >> > > >> > 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja
nació el 15> > Ene.> > 1923> > en La Barca, Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct.>> > >
1988 en> > Guadalajara, Jalisco9. > >> > Padre: 10.> > Placido Cerda Hernández
nació en>> > > 1891 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene.> > 1963 en La>
>> > Barca, Jalisco.> > Madre:> > 11. Ramona Pantoja> > Rodríguez nació en La>
>> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el> > 5 Oct. 1965 en> > Guadalajara,> > Jalisco10.>
>> > > >> > 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep. 1916> >> > en Cd.> >
Obregón, Sonora y murió el 13 Feb. 1999> > en> > Cd. Obregón,> > Sonora. El se
casó con> > Francisca> > Soto Sepúlveda. > > Padre: 12.> > Antonio Beltrán> >
Beltrán murió en> > una> > fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 13. López> > murió
en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> >> > > > 7. Francisca Soto Sepúlveda> > nació
el 3> > Dic. 1921. > > Padre: 14. Santiago Soto> >> > murió en una fecha> >
desconocida.> >> > Madre:> > 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una> > fecha> >> >
desconocida.> > > > 8.> > Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez nació en 1892 en> >
La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se> > casó con>
> María De La> > Luz Briseño Briseño.> > Otros eventos> > en la> > vida de
Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez>>> > > > Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca,
Jalisco> >> > Padre:> > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en>> > > La Barca,>
> Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 17. María
Rodríguez> > nació en La Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en> > una fecha
desconocida.> > > > 9.> > María> > De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en>>
>> > > La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966 en> > México,> > DF12.> > > >
Otros eventos en> > la vida de María> > De La Luz Briseño> >> > Briseño> >
Bautizo13 29> > Nov 1895 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 18. Trinidad> >
Briceno> > Cortéz nació en> > 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco>> > > y murió en una
fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 19.> > Petronila Briceno González nació en> >>
> 1869 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> >> > > >
10. Placido Cerda> > Hernández nació en 1891 en La> > Barca,> >> > Jalisco y
murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco. El se> > casó con Ramona
Pantoja> >> > Rodríguez. Otros eventos> > en la vida de Placido>> > > Cerda
Hernández> > Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La> > Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 20. Felipe
Cerda> > murió en una> > fecha> > desconocida.> >> > Madre: 21. Virginia> >
Hernández murió en una>> > > fecha desconocida.>> > > > > 11.> > Ramona Pantoja
Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca,>> > > Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en> >> >
Guadalajara, Jalisco15. > > > > Padre: 22.>> > > Pantoja murió en una fecha> >
desconocida.>> > >> > Madre: 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha>> > >> >
desconocida.> > > > 12. Antonio> > Beltrán> > Beltrán murió en una fecha> >> >
desconocida. El se> > casó con 2da López. > >> > > > 13. López murió> > en una
fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 14. Santiago> > Soto> > murió en una fecha
desconocida. El se> > casó>> > > con Delfina Sepúlveda. > > > > 15.> > Delfina>
> Sepúlveda murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > >> > > > > 16. Alberto> >
Castañeda nació en 1856 en La> > Barca,> >> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha
desconocida.> > El se> > casó con> > María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881>> > > en
La Barca, Jalisco16. > > > > Otros> > eventos en> > la vida de Alberto
Castañeda> >> > Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856> > La Barca, Jalisco> >> > Padre: 24.
Francisco Castañeda> > murió en una>> > > fecha desconocida.> > Madre:> > 25.
Lucia> > Davalos murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > > > 17. María
Rodríguez> > nació> > en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en> > una fecha> >
desconocida. > > > > 18.> > Trinidad Briceno> > Cortéz nació en 1870 en La> >
Barca,> > Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con> >> >
Petronila> > Briceno González. > > Otros eventos en la> >> > vida de Trinidad
Briceno Cortéz> > Bautizo18 12> > Jun> > 1870 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 26.>
> Ygnacio Briceno> > Luna nació en La> > Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una> >
fecha desconocida.> >> > Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz> > Padilla murió en> > una>
> fecha desconocida.> >> > > >> > 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en 1869
en> >> > La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. > > Otros
eventos en la vida de> > Petronila> > Briceno González> > Bautizo19 2> > Jun
1869 La Barca,> > Jalisco> > Padre: 28. Juan> > Briceno murió en una> > fecha>
>> > desconocida.> > Madre: 29. Pascuala> > Gonzales> > López nació en> > 1843
en La Barca, Jalisco> >> > y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > >> > 20.> >
Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se> >> > casó con Virginia
Hernández. >> > > > > 21.> > Virginia Hernández murió en> > una fecha
desconocida.>> > > > > > >> > 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El
se> > casó> > con Rodríguez. > >> > > >> > 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha
desconocida.> >> > > > > > 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en> > una> > fecha> >
desconocida. El se casó con> > Lucia Davalos.> > > > > > 25. Lucia> > Davalos
murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > >> > > > 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna> > nació
en La> > Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El se casó
con Trinidad> > Cortéz>> > > Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y Andrea Padilla,>
> el>> > > 12 Feb. 1866 en La Barca, Jalisco20.> > > > Padre:> > 30. Antonio
Briceno murió en una> > fecha> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 31.> > Pantaleona
Luna murió en> > una fecha> >> > desconocida.> > > > 27.> > Trinidad> > Cortéz
Padilla murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida. > > Padre: 32. Matias Cortéz
murió> > en> > una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre:> > 33. Andrea> > Padilla
murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida.> >> > > > 28. Juan Briceno> > murió en
una fecha desconocida.> > El se> >> > casó con Pascuala Gonzales López el 6
Jun.> > 1866> > en La> > Barca, Jalisco. > > Padre: 34.> >> > Patricio Briceno
murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 35. María Guadalupe Corona>>
> > murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > >> > >> > 29. Pascuala Gonzales
López21 nació en 1843> > en La> >> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> >
desconocida. > >> > Otros eventos en la vida de> > Pascuala Gonzales López>> >
> Bautizo22 28 May> > 1843 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre:> > 36. Antonio> >
Gonzáles murió en una fecha> >> >> > desconocida.> > Madre: 37. Lus López murió
en> > una> > fecha> > desconocida.> > > >> > 30. Antonio> > Briceno murió en
una fecha> > desconocida. El> > se> > casó con Pantaleona> > Luna. > > > > 31.>
> Pantaleona Luna> > murió en una fecha desconocida. > >> > >> > > 32. Matias
Cortéz murió en una fecha> >> > desconocida. El> > se casó con Andrea Padilla.>
> >> > > > > 33. Andrea Padilla murió en> > una fecha> > desconocida. > > > >
34.> > Patricio Briceno murió> > en una fecha desconocida.> > El> > se casó con
María> > Guadalupe Corona.> > > > > > 35. María Guadalupe> > Corona> > murió en
una fecha> > desconocida. > >> >> > > > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una
fecha> >> > desconocida.> > El se casó con Lus López. >> > >> > > > 37. Lus
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Is this Cabeza de Baca family connected to the same surname in Michoacan early to late 1700's? I have some in my records from Chilchota and Tlazazalca Michoacan posted on Rootsweb.com. They connect to my family through marriage only.
Linda in Everett
--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Esther wrote:
From: Esther
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GODINEZ and BRIONES
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:03 AM
Hi, I cannot help you with this yet, but I may be starting to tie up with
"Cabeza de Baca".
I'll keep you posted.
-Esther
esther@enhanced.org
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008
Dear Canito--
I am going to Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at the end of November. One of the names you are apparently interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what I have:
I am related to the Godinez family coming out of La Barca.
Daniel Briones> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:16:25 -0800> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco Briseño, GODINEZ, BARRAGAN> > Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008> > Dear Canito--> > I am going to Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco, for one week at the end of November. One of the names you are apparently interested in is Briseno and so am I. Here is what I have:> > Atilano GODINEZ son of> Claudio GODINEZ and Casimira MACIEL> > Married 11 Nov 1858 in La Barca, Jalisco, to> > Paula BRISENO daughter of> > Antonio BRISENO and Andrea JIMENEZ> > Children of Atilano and Paula:> > 1. Maria Florencia GODINEZ baptized 28 Oct 1861 in Ayo el Chico> > 2. Maria Placida GODINEZ baptized 13 Oct 1867 in Ayo el Chico > > 3. Maria Delfina GODINEZ baptized 30 Dec 1869 in Ayo el Chico> mar. to Ysabel BRISENO son of Tomas BRICENO and Ysabel NAVARRO> child of Ysabel and Delfina was:> Jose Margarito BRISENO born 4 Dec 1885 in Santa Rita, Ayo el Chico> who married Leodegracia BERNA on > 10 May 1909 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > 4. Serapio GODINEZ born 1872? > mar. Maria Juana NUNEZ daug. of Victor NUNEZ and Luis GODINEZ> child of Serapio and Maria Juana was:> Maria Guadalupe GODINEZ 22 Dec 1915 in Santa Rita, Ayo el Chico> > 5. Pragedis GODINEZ born 1875?> mar. Dolores GONZALEZ daug. of Gumesindo GONZALEZ and Refugio PEREZ> their child Leonor GODINEZ born 23 Jan 1920 in Santa Rita, > Ayo el Chico, Jalisco> > These are not my GODINEZ lines but with the families coming from La Barca into Santa Rita, it is all rather interesting to me. Besides, I am researching these lines for a fellow who is GODINEZ.> > Another family name I am interested in is BARRAGAN and they seem to have been in El Carmen, La Barca, Jalisco.> > One of my friends, named Esther has ancestors in Govenador and Portezuelo, which are also in the municipio of La Barca.> > Does any of this ring a bell with you?> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San Diego, Ca.> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Canito wrote:> > > From: Canito > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda, Briseño, Pantoja> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM> > Hola a todos, soy nuevo en el grupo y estoy investigando a> > mis ancestros que vivieron en La Barca, Jalisco > > > > La información que he logrado recopilar se encuentra> > publicada en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de> > momento la información con la que cuento esta basada> > solamente en información verbal y en consultas en la base> > de datos de FamilySearch.> > > > A continuación muestro un extracto de mi investigación:> > > > 4. Moisés Castañeda Briseño nació el 4 Sep. 1915 en> > La Barca, Jalisco5 y murió el 22 Dic. 1998 en Guadalajara,> > Jalisco6. El se casó con María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja el> > 11 May. 1940 en La Barca, Jalisco. > > Padre: 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació> > en 1892 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 9. María De La Luz Briseño Briseño> > nació en 1895 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966> > en México, DF7.> > > > 5. María De La Luz Cerda Pantoja nació el 15 Ene. 1923> > en La Barca, Jalisco8 y murió el 6 Oct. 1988 en> > Guadalajara, Jalisco9. > > Padre: 10. Placido Cerda Hernández nació en> > 1891 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La> > Barca, Jalisco.> > Madre: 11. Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en Guadalajara,> > Jalisco10.> > > > 6. Rogelio Beltrán López nació el 16 Sep. 1916 en Cd.> > Obregón, Sonora y murió el 13 Feb. 1999 en Cd. Obregón,> > Sonora. El se casó con Francisca Soto Sepúlveda. > > Padre: 12. Antonio Beltrán Beltrán murió en> > una fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 13. López murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 7. Francisca Soto Sepúlveda nació el 3 Dic. 1921. > > Padre: 14. Santiago Soto murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 8. Francisco Castañeda Rodríguez nació en 1892 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó con María De La Luz Briseño Briseño.> > Otros eventos en la vida de Francisco Castañeda> > Rodríguez> > Bautizo11 5 Abr 1892 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en> > La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 17. María Rodríguez nació en La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > 9. María De La Luz Briseño Briseño nació en 1895 en> > La Barca, Jalisco y murió el 25 Oct. 1966 en México, DF12.> > > > Otros eventos en la vida de María De La Luz Briseño> > Briseño> > Bautizo13 29 Nov 1895 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 18. Trinidad Briceno Cortéz nació en> > 1870 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en> > 1869 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > 10. Placido Cerda Hernández nació en 1891 en La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió el 26 Ene. 1963 en La Barca, Jalisco. El se> > casó con Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez. Otros eventos> > en la vida de Placido Cerda Hernández> > Bautizo14 7 Oct 1891 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 20. Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 21. Virginia Hernández murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > > > 11. Ramona Pantoja Rodríguez nació en La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió el 5 Oct. 1965 en Guadalajara, Jalisco15. > > > > Padre: 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 12. Antonio Beltrán Beltrán murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con 2da López. > > > > 13. López murió en una fecha desconocida. > > > > 14. Santiago Soto murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó con Delfina Sepúlveda. > > > > 15. Delfina Sepúlveda murió en una fecha desconocida. > > > > > > 16. Alberto Castañeda nació en 1856 en La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con> > María Rodríguez el 16 Ago. 1881 en La Barca, Jalisco16. > > > > Otros eventos en la vida de Alberto Castañeda> > Bautizo17 7 Abr 1856 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 25. Lucia Davalos murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 17. María Rodríguez nació en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha desconocida. > > > > 18. Trinidad Briceno Cortéz nació en 1870 en La Barca,> > Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con> > Petronila Briceno González. > > Otros eventos en la vida de Trinidad Briceno Cortéz> > Bautizo18 12 Jun 1870 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna nació en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > Madre: 27. Trinidad Cortéz Padilla murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > > > 19. Petronila Briceno González nació en 1869 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. > > Otros eventos en la vida de Petronila Briceno González> > Bautizo19 2 Jun 1869 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 28. Juan Briceno murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 29. Pascuala Gonzales López nació en> > 1843 en La Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > 20. Felipe Cerda murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó con Virginia Hernández. > > > > 21. Virginia Hernández murió en una fecha desconocida.> > > > > > 22. Pantoja murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó> > con Rodríguez. > > > > 23. Rodríguez murió en una fecha desconocida. > > > > 24. Francisco Castañeda murió en una fecha> > desconocida. El se casó con Lucia Davalos. > > > > 25. Lucia Davalos murió en una fecha desconocida. > > > > 26. Ygnacio Briceno Luna nació en La Barca, Jalisco y> > murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Trinidad> > Cortéz Padilla, hija de Matias Cortéz y Andrea Padilla, el> > 12 Feb. 1866 en La Barca, Jalisco20. > > Padre: 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 31. Pantaleona Luna murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 27. Trinidad Cortéz Padilla murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > > Padre: 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 33. Andrea Padilla murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 28. Juan Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida. El se> > casó con Pascuala Gonzales López el 6 Jun. 1866 en La> > Barca, Jalisco. > > Padre: 34. Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 35. María Guadalupe Corona murió en una> > fecha desconocida.> > > > 29. Pascuala Gonzales López21 nació en 1843 en La> > Barca, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida. > > Otros eventos en la vida de Pascuala Gonzales López> > Bautizo22 28 May 1843 La Barca, Jalisco> > Padre: 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > Madre: 37. Lus López murió en una fecha> > desconocida.> > > > 30. Antonio Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida. El> > se casó con Pantaleona Luna. > > > > 31. Pantaleona Luna murió en una fecha desconocida. > > > > 32. Matias Cortéz murió en una fecha desconocida. El> > se casó con Andrea Padilla. > > > > 33. Andrea Padilla murió en una fecha desconocida. > > > > 34. Patricio Briceno murió en una fecha desconocida. El> > se casó con María Guadalupe Corona. > > > > 35. María Guadalupe Corona murió en una fecha> > desconocida. > > > > 36. Antonio Gonzáles murió en una fecha desconocida.> > El se casó con Lus López. > > > > 37. Lus López murió en una fecha desconocida. > > > > Saludos !!!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > > > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > > > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Antonio, I don't know if it is fine to write in english to you, I think it's ok. I was checking to information about the members and the lastnames they serach and I found yours (Topete). According what I read, you don't have any information about your family. I'm glad to tell you that I have a book (that you can look for) which talks about your family back to 1700's This is a very interestin book and has a lot of information with many genealogical lines. The book talks about the history of the region you are searching back to 1500's
Please read the original message at Nuestros Ranchos that I wrote for you.
Best regards.
ALESSANDRO
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Joseph
Have you put out George Ryskamp's name? He goes to Spain every summer along
with his wife to do research for clients.
Mickey
In a message dated 11/8/2008 5:44:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
An applicant to the group wants to find a professional genealogist to do
his research from 1585 in Los Altos and take him back to Spain.
Who all would you recommend?
joseph
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Hi Jospeh, it's Daniel I might be of some help but not professional, which require maybe actually going to Los Altos and Spain and pulling some strings. I do have some resources when connecting to Spain. What line(e) and families is the individual looking at. Most Alteño families have already connected to Spain and with resources like published books can help. Familysearch might not be so much of a help when dealing with this subject. You could prob find some thing back to Spain but doubt you'll find a connection. Like the Romo de Vivar is one of those rare family search connections. How about Mariano GOnzález-Leal? -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Hey there Joseph,
There are several genealogists here in the region that might be able to help
out. What info or what exactly is the applicant looking for?
Rick
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De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph
Puentes
Enviado el: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:54 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos de Jalisco Professional Genealogist
Being Sought
An applicant to the group wants to find a professional genealogist to do
his research from 1585 in Los Altos and take him back to Spain.
Who all would you recommend?
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
he could also contact "Somos Primos"
--- On Sat, 11/8/08, Joseph Puentes wrote:
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos de Jalisco Professional Genealogist Being Sought
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 3:54 PM
An applicant to the group wants to find a professional genealogist to do his
research from 1585 in Los Altos and take him back to Spain.
Who all would you recommend?
joseph
=====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)
I know I am really late asking this - and I am just asking our of curiosity - but did anyone set up an ofrenda for Dia de los Muertos, to honor and remember those family members who had passed on.
I wanted to do so , but the death of my dear daughter last month ... well, I just couldn't quite do it. Perhaps I will get back to setting up an ofrenda next year. My son-in-law (non-hispanic) and two young grand-daughters set up a small ofrenda - the little one, 3 -1/2 yrs, wanted to put "everything" on the ofrenda, because "mommy would love it". (It was his first experience - I appreciate that he made the effort to share his wife's heritage with their children.)
Natalie,
Please accept our sincere condolesces. My sister set up an ofrenda for
our father who died in January. It was difficult not to cry as I stood
looking at those objects and photos of my beloved father. Also, as a
college professor at Cal Poly Pomona, my sister also works with her
students and I can attest to the fact that many of the ofrendas are
elaborate and very meaningful. The students set them up annually.
Again, I am so sorry about your loss.
Eloise Gomez Reyes
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Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 9:35 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dia de los Muertos
I know I am really late asking this - and I am just asking our of
curiosity - but did anyone set up an ofrenda for Dia de los Muertos, to
honor and remember those family members who had passed on.
I wanted to do so , but the death of my dear daughter last month ...
well, I just couldn't quite do it. Perhaps I will get back to setting
up an ofrenda next year. My son-in-law (non-hispanic) and two young
grand-daughters set up a small ofrenda - the little one, 3 -1/2 yrs,
wanted to put "everything" on the ofrenda, because "mommy would love
it". (It was his first experience - I appreciate that he made the
effort to share his wife's heritage with their children.)
However - if you did set up an ofrenda to remember loved ones and
antepasados, could you share what you did - or perhaps share a photo.
And perhaps next year I will be able to get back to research.
-natalie
(who researches primarily Castro, Duenas/Duenes, Garcia, who left
Hacienda del Astillero [Valparaiso district] in 1916 to go to the US
for the duration of the revolution, but never went back.) -- -- -- --
--- El vie 7-nov-08, Boehm-Chronik escribió:
De:: Boehm-Chronik
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dia de los Muertos
A: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 7 noviembre, 2008, 1:59 pm
Natalie
Mi mas sentido pésame por la irreparable perdida de tu hija, que Dios la
tenga en su reino. Aunque yo si rezo por mis familiares y amigos ya
fallecidos, no pongo ofrenda, pues no todas las familias en México observan
esa costumbre, sin embargo de niña, en la primer mitad del siglo XX, viví
ese bonito y emotivo día cada año en casa de mis abuelos paternos que ponían
una ofrenda impresionante y pensé que compartir mis recuerdos será algo
interesante para los amigos de "Nuestros Ranchos".
Llegabamos desde el día primero de noviembre en que se recordaba a los niños
difuntos, por lo que también había juguetes junto a la mesa de la ofrenda,
Tal mesa se encontraba en el mejor lugar de la sala-comedor frente a un
crucifijo, estaba cubierta de manteles blancos, bordados y con encajes muy
bien almidonados y planchados, sobre ella ponían velas, veladoras.
mantelitos calados de papel de china de varios colores y algunas flores de
sempazuchill, la mayoría de las flores se colocaban en el piso alrededor de
la mesa. Entre la decoración de la mesa colocaban ollas y cazuelas con los
alimentos prediléctos de los familiares a recordar, así como agua fresca,
cervezas, tequila y pulque, para los niños atole y champurrado sin faltar
los tamales, bolillos, cocoles, pan dulce y por supuesto el pan de muerto y
las tortillas. Se completaba la ofrenda con calaberas de azucar decoradas
que en la frente tenían un letrero con el nombre de los familiares muertos y
vivos, pues yo siempre encontraba mi calabera.
Había mucho de comer y tomar, pero nada de lo que estaba en la mesa se podía
tocar, pues decían que los muertitos llegaban en la noche a saborear todas
esas delicias, como se imaginarán, los niños no podíamos dormir esa noche,
espiando la ofrenda con la esperanza de ver a nuestro familiar predilécto
saboreando tanto manjar.
Se turnaban en grupos para ir al cementerio a llevar flores, velas y algo de
la ofrenda y desde el día primero y especialmente el dos era un ir y venir
entre la casa y el panteón pues había que visitar varias tumbas que no se
podían dejar solas, a veces hasta música llevaban. Naturalmente tanto en la
casa como en el panteón se alternaba la charla con el rezo del rosario. Al
final del día o al día siguiente nos despedíamos y todos recibíamos nuestro
"itacate" (leftovers).
En cambio con mis abuelos maternos, solo se llevaban flores al panteón y se
oía una misa de muertos y esa es la costumbre más facil de seguir.
Gracias por motivarme a recordar experiencias de mi niñez. Ojalá que otros
hagan lo mismo. Disculpen que escriba solo en español, mi ingles no es lo
suficientemente bueno para tanto detalle.
Saludos a todos
Bertha M. de Boehm
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"Böhm-Chronik"
http://www.boehm-chronik.com
600-jährige Geschichte einer Familie
in Schlesien (1329-1948)
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Hi Natalie,
Please accept my sincere condolenses. I do have ofrendas each year. Ill send a separate email.
You and your family are in my prayers.
Sandra
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dia de los Muertos
I know I am really late asking this - and I am just asking our of curiosity - but did anyone set up an ofrenda for Dia de los Muertos, to honor and remember those family members who had passed on.
I wanted to do so , but the death of my dear daughter last month ... well, I just couldn't quite do it. Perhaps I will get back to setting up an ofrenda next year. My son-in-law (non-hispanic) and two young grand-daughters set up a small ofrenda - the little one, 3 -1/2 yrs, wanted to put "everything" on the ofrenda, because "mommy would love it". (It was his first experience - I appreciate that he made the effort to share his wife's heritage with their children.)
However - if you did set up an ofrenda to remember loved ones and antepasados, could you share what you did - or perhaps share a photo.
And perhaps next year I will be able to get back to research.
-natalie
(who researches primarily Castro, Duenas/Duenes, Garcia, who left Hacienda del Astillero [Valparaiso district] in 1916 to go to the US for the duration of the revolution, but never went back.)
Hi Natalie,
Please accept my sincere condolenses. I do have ofrendas each year. Ill send a separate email.
You and your family are in my prayers.
Sandra
------Original Message------
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dia de los Muertos
I know I am really late asking this - and I am just asking our of curiosity - but did anyone set up an ofrenda for Dia de los Muertos, to honor and remember those family members who had passed on.
I wanted to do so , but the death of my dear daughter last month ... well, I just couldn't quite do it. Perhaps I will get back to setting up an ofrenda next year. My son-in-law (non-hispanic) and two young grand-daughters set up a small ofrenda - the little one, 3 -1/2 yrs, wanted to put "everything" on the ofrenda, because "mommy would love it". (It was his first experience - I appreciate that he made the effort to share his wife's heritage with their children.)
However - if you did set up an ofrenda to remember loved ones and antepasados, could you share what you did - or perhaps share a photo.
And perhaps next year I will be able to get back to research.
-natalie
(who researches primarily Castro, Duenas/Duenes, Garcia, who left Hacienda del Astillero [Valparaiso district] in 1916 to go to the US for the duration of the revolution, but never went back.)
Natalie --- my condolences.
I didn't know what you meant by an "ofrenda" so I went to google and typed in "ofrenda for dia de los muertos", and I got several sites that had videos and photos of them.
In one site called questconnect.com I found the article below about ofrendas in Oaxaca. I suppose each region in Mexico has similar ones. It looks like they are highly personal things, so what your little grandchildren did from the heart was quite appropriate. In the article below, they built an altar and put paper fall decorations on it as well as food and fruits, flowers, photos of the departed and saints. I think if I built one I would put fall leaves, indian corn, a sage plant, fall flowers, cookies, nuts, candies, grapes, candles and Halloween figurines as well as figurines or photos of saints and of our dear departed. I have a built-in buffet that would be perfect for it.
When I first came to California around age 6 from New Mexico, where they only clean up the gravesites and pray, I did not know what the kids were talking about when they asked me what I was going to be for Halloween. I had never heard of Halloween and dressing in costume and trick-or-treating. In New Mexico it was simply a religious day in the pueblos. I do vaguely recall altars and candles in the homes at certain times of the year. Now I hear that even in Mexico the custom of going out to the gravesites and building altars there or in homes is going by the wayside. Sad.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
The Ofrenda (Altar)
Each family builds and decorates an ofrenda each year. There is a special market on October 31 selling only materials for the altars and other necessities for this season, while pan de muerto and calaveras are to be found everywhere.
A typical ofrenda, or altar begins with a table on which are placed boxes to represent the tombs and all is covered with a white tablecloth or sheet or with papel picado, paper cutouts with special themes related to the season. Long stalks of sugarcane or carrizo are tied to the front legs of the table, formed into a large arch over the altar, which are then decorated with flowers. The images of the saints and the family dead are placed on the altar and everywhere there are flowers: The golden flower of death, the Zempoalxochitl or Zempasúchil (a very large golden marigold), is the most prevalent color on the ofrenda.
The special offerings of food may include mole, nicuatole, pumpkin cooked with brown sugar, cane sugar and tejocotes. Beautifully decorated pan de muerto, chocolate, pecans and peanuts. Cooked chayote and fresh fruits - oranges, lemons, bananas, jícama, tejocotes, nísperos and pineapple. If the deceased smoked or drank, then cigarettes and mezcal are placed on the altar together with any other special foods or items, which were a favorite in life.
If the altar is for an "angelito" or child, it will also include favorite toys and many white flowers. Then comes the lamp with oil of higuerilla, the wax candles, white or yellow adorned with black crepe paper. An especially elaborate altar may also feature a colored sand and seed painting on the floor in front of it representing a particularly esteemed saint.
A uniquely Mexican custom, especially prevalent in Oaxaca is the use of calaveras and catrinas and the ever-present skeletons, skulls, tombs and coffins. The calaveras are candy skulls, wood or clay figures depicting skeletons dressed as doctors, judges, teachers, footballers, tennis players, prostitutes - every conceivable profession and pastime is caricatured. Serious paintings and sculptures in the famous Oaxacan black clay and other materials appear in stores and museums, as well as on family altars.
http://www.inside-mexico.com/oscarespa.htm
Natalie,
Here is a nice article in Spanish about the ofrenda.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
Congratulations again Arturo....the piece was fascinating, albeit it took me
awhile to decipher it (I am more versed in English than Spanish)
You were right about the review of Guerrero - I certainly didn't know about
Esperanza,
if there is any way possible can you scout for opportunities for the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project in the area of the
"African Presence in Mexico." I have a section (
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/coyote.html ) on the podcast
called "/*Coyote*/" that has Audio on this topic. I would very much like
to find more people or organizations to contribute audio material for
this area of the podcast. So if you see anyone that is particularly
fluent on teaching the history of the African Presence in Mexico or just
someone interested in contributing what they know I'm interested in
talking to them. Also if you have a digital recorder please take it with
you as there might be opportunities to do some interviews while you are
in Mexico or even the next time you are in the Chicago Mexican American
Fine Arts Museum.
thanks for considering this,
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
>
> Congratulations again Arturo....the piece was fascinating, albeit it took me
> awhile to decipher it (I am more versed in English than Spanish)
>
> You were right about the review of Guerrero - I certainly didn't know about
> his indigenous/African background.
>
> I will be going to a "Cultural Tour" in Monterrey within one week as a
> representative of our school district in Illinois The Chicago Mexican American
> Fine Arts Museum will be taking their exhibit to the Museum in Monterrey. They
> will be featuring the African presence in Mexico. I am excited about
> bringing back lessons and photos that will highlight the African presence in Mexico
> - there is very little known about this within our Mexican history -- If I
> can, I will share whatever was shared with me with this group.
>
> Esperanza
> Chicagoland area
>
Hi Joseph:
Just want to let you know that I followed your advice about obtaining a book through the "interlibrary loan system" and was able to get "El Libro de La Cofradia de Santiago de Burgos" form the University of Southern California, library. It only took two weeks.
Thank you.
John Gonzalez
A todos los de este foro.Sigo buscando antepasados Santillan,Jauregui,Quesada,Aguirre,Lopez,Islas,velasco de nochistlan y mesticacan.
Gracias de antemano
Antonio Santillan Jauregui> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:20:14 -0800> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book> > To: Joseph Puentes.> > Hi Joseph:> > Just want to let you know that I followed your advice about obtaining a book through the "interlibrary loan system" and was able to get "El Libro de La Cofradia de Santiago de Burgos" form the University of Southern California, library. It only took two weeks.> > Thank you.> > John Gonzalez> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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[Nuestros Ranchos] Book> > To: Joseph Puentes.> > Hi Joseph:> > Just want to
let you know that I followed your advice about obtaining a book through the
"interlibrary loan system" and was able to get "El Libro de La Cofradia de
Santiago de Burgos" form the University of Southern California, library. It
only took two weeks.> > Thank you.> > John Gonzalez>
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To John: Hi John let me know what you find out by the family tree and send us some scans if at all
possible, I think many us would be interested to see the famous González de Hermosillo. -Daniel
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----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 18:19
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book]
Hi Joseph:
The book is basically the history of the Cofradia de Santiago de Burgos. It includes a transcription of the by-laws and the main part of the book is the collection of paintings of the some of the members,most of them on horseback and dressed ready to do battle. There are four paintings of the caballeros on each page. One caballero was Gonzalo Gonzalez de Fermosa (originally Hermosilla was called Fermosilla in the X century) It has nothing at all about his lineage, it states that it was founded in 1338 and Gonzalo Gonzalez appears on the first list of its founders.
At the end of the book, there is a short section with some genealogy information on a few of the members of the Cofradia.
I have already returned the book to the library, it should be available again probably in a couple of weeks or sooner, I did not want to keep longer than necessary, thinking that maybe some other members might want to check it out. I did get a picture of the painting of what could be my oldest ancestor, he was probably born around 1300...That's about 670 years ago!
The book might be of interest to anyone who has traced their ancestry to Burgos and the ancestor was a member of the Cofradia de Santiago de Burgos.
I am still waiting for my Y-DNA results. I found two sisters in one database who are a match to my Mt-DNA, which came back as Haplogroup A2, Native American. They were Gonzalez de Mendoza, from Coalcomán, in southern Michoacán. That was a surprise because my mother was born in Jerez, Zacatecas. my mother and these two sisters must have had a common female ancestor way back when...
John Gonzalez
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 17:09
Subject: [Fwd: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book]
glad it was helpful. maybe you can scan or take a digital photograph of the table of contents and upload to the photo section of the NR group. Others might be interested in what all is in the book.
joseph
John,
I would certainly be interested in a copy of the photograph of the image of one of our common ancestors.
tu primo
Jaime
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To: "General Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 8:34:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 18:19
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book]
Hi Joseph:
The book is basically the history of the Cofradia de Santiago de Burgos. It includes a transcription of the by-laws and the main part of the book is the collection of paintings of the some of the members,most of them on horseback and dressed ready to do battle. There are four paintings of the caballeros on each page. One caballero was Gonzalo Gonzalez de Fermosa (originally Hermosilla was called Fermosilla in the X century) It has nothing at all about his lineage, it states that it was founded in 1338 and Gonzalo Gonzalez appears on the first list of its founders.
At the end of the book, there is a short section with some genealogy information on a few of the members of the Cofradia.
I have already returned the book to the library, it should be available again probably in a couple of weeks or sooner, I did not want to keep longer than necessary, thinking that maybe some other members might want to check it out. I did get a picture of the painting of what could be my oldest ancestor, he was probably born around 1300...That's about 670 years ago!
The book might be of interest to anyone who has traced their ancestry to Burgos and the ancestor was a member of the Cofradia de Santiago de Burgos.
I am still waiting for my Y-DNA results. I found two sisters in one database who are a match to my Mt-DNA, which came back as Haplogroup A2, Native American. They were Gonzalez de Mendoza, from Coalcomán, in southern Michoacán. That was a surprise because my mother was born in Jerez, Zacatecas. my mother and these two sisters must have had a common female ancestor way back when...
John Gonzalez
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 17:09
Subject: [Fwd: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book]
glad it was helpful. maybe you can scan or take a digital photograph of the table of contents and upload to the photo section of the NR group. Others might be interested in what all is in the book.
joseph
Veronica & Rosalinda:
as I mentioned before, my Ureña beguins with Cornelia Cipriana Ureña b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña, Zacolaco de Torres, Jalisco. She has siblings and descendants for her brothers to actual dates. But the line goes back to:
"
Hello, alguienpodria porfavor ayudarme ha en contrar que relacion hay entre los apeidos de Vidaurri y de VIdaure, probablemente es el mismo apeido y se fue modificando o cambiando a travez de el tiempo.
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Alessandro,
My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my
grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from
Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?
Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
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>
> I?m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got
> confused who) has de URE?A family and I have it too, my Ure?a line begins
> with Cornelia Cipriana URE?A b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ure?a,
> zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano
> Ure?a abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna
> URE?A and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).
>
> What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los
> Ure?a" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this
> family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible
> connection.
>
> Best regards to all of you
>
> Alessandro
Edith me gustaria saber de los jauregui de mexticacan si sabes algo contactame a mi correo.
saludos cordiales
Jose Antonio Santillan Jauregui
santillan59@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:48:38 -0700> From: edith@donpancho.com> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 33, Issue 15> > "> Hello, alguienpodria porfavor ayudarme ha en contrar que relacion hay entre los apeidos de Vidaurri y de VIdaure, probablemente es el mismo apeido y se fue modificando o cambiando a travez de el tiempo.> ----- Original Message -----> From:> To:> Cc:> Date: Tuesday, October 28 2008 3:04 PM> Subject: General Digest, Vol 33, Issue 15> Send General mailing list submissions to> general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.nuestrosranchos.org/listinfo.cgi/general-nuestrosranchos.o…; > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> general-owner@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of General digest..."> > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> DAILY DIGEST> ****************************************> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: URE?A FAMILY (Veronica Rahorn)> 2. Re: URE?A FAMILY (Veronica Rahorn)> 3. Re: URE?A FAMILY (lareina2@ix.netcom.com)> 4. Re: URE?A FAMILY (Erlinda Castanon-Long)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:32:45 -0700> From: "Veronica Rahorn" > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";> reply-type=response> > Alessandro,> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my > grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from > Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?> > Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?> > Veronica Vidaure Rahorn> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "viteliky" > To: > Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> > > >> > I?m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got > > confused who) has de URE?A family and I have it too, my Ure?a line begins > > with Cornelia Cipriana URE?A b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ure?a, > > zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano > > Ure?a abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna > > URE?A and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).> >> > What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los > > Ure?a" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this > > family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible > > connection.> >> > Best regards to all of you> >> > Alessandro> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:32:45 -0700> From: "Veronica Rahorn" > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";> reply-type=response> > Alessandro,> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my > grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from > Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?> > Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?> > Veronica Vidaure Rahorn> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "viteliky" > To: > Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> > > >> > I?m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got > > confused who) has de URE?A family and I have it too, my Ure?a line begins > > with Cornelia Cipriana URE?A b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ure?a, > > zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano > > Ure?a abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna > > URE?A and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).> >> > What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los > > Ure?a" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this > > family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible > > connection.> >> > Best regards to all of you> >> > Alessandro> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:49:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: lareina2@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID:> <33189427.1225212598319.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > I just wanted to mention that my great-grandmother was an Ure?a. Her family lived in Totatiche, Jalisco, and her branch of the Ure?as started originally in Jerez, so I'm sure there is a connection. I have many Ure?as from that general are in my database. Email me and I'll see if there is a connection. > > Rosalinda> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Veronica Rahorn > >Sent: Oct 27, 2008 6:32 PM> >To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> >> >Alessandro,> >My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my > >grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from > >Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?> >> >Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?> >> >Veronica Vidaure Rahorn> >> >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "viteliky" > >To: > >Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> >> >> >>> >> I?m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got > >> confused who) has de URE?A family and I have it too, my Ure?a line begins > >> with Cornelia Cipriana URE?A b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ure?a, > >> zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano > >> Ure?a abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna > >> URE?A and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).> >>> >> What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los > >> Ure?a" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this > >> family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible > >> connection.> >>> >> Best regards to all of you> >>> >> Alessandro> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> >> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >>> >> To post, send email to:> >> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >>> >> To change your subscription, log on to:> >> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> > >> >> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> >To post, send email to:> >general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> >To change your subscription, log on to:> >http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > Rosalinda Ruiz> lareina2@ix.netcom.com> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:43:20 -0700 (PDT)> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Message-ID: <909840.59059.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > > Veronica I research Jerez Zacatecas.? What is your grandmothers name and approximate dates of birth?> ?> Linda in Everett> ?> > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Veronica Rahorn wrote:> > From: Veronica Rahorn > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:32 PM> > Alessandro,> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married my > grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from > Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?> > Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?> > Veronica Vidaure Rahorn> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > End of General Digest, Vol 33, Issue 15> ***************************************> > > > > > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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http://www.ganabuscando.com/Default.aspx
Edith,
Lo siento...no puedo escribir en espanol my bien.
Yo soy de la familia Vidaure.
Tengo informacion hasta 1805 de mi familia. Todos mis abuelos hasta 1805
nacieron en Jalisco, Mexico (en Teocaltiche o Paso de Sotos (Villa
Hidalgo)). En expedientes escritos, he visto el nombre deletreado Vidaure,
Vidaurri, Bidauri o Bidaurri.
Aqui
(http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~veronicavidaure/index.ht…)
es mi website con mis antecedentes familiares.
Si usted quiere hablar fuera de Nuestros Ranchos, por favor envieme por mi
email vrahorn@wydebeam.com.
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
Gilbert, AZ
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> Hello, alguienpodria porfavor ayudarme ha en contrar que relacion hay
> entre los apeidos de Vidaurri y de VIdaure, probablemente es el mismo
> apeido y se fue modificando o cambiando a travez de el tiempo.
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> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:32:45 -0700
> From: "Veronica Rahorn"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY
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> Alessandro,
> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ure?a before she married
> my
> grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both
> from
> Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?
>
> Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?
>
> Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "viteliky"
> To:
> Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] URE?A FAMILY
>
>
>>
>> I?m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got
>> confused who) has de URE?A family and I have it too, my Ure?a line begins
>> with Cornelia Cipriana URE?A b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ure?a,
>> zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio
>> Laureano
>> Ure?a abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose
>> Juna
>> URE?A and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).
>>
>> What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de
>> los
>> Ure?a" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has
>> this
>> family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible
>> connection.
>>
>> Best regards to all of you
>>
>> Alessandro
So after a long grace period away from this, I decided to run a search and see what comes up and I found 2 things of promise. Problem is, they are very vague mentions in the posts that came up.
Does anyone know much of the surname Llanos Y Valdez(also spelt Llanos Y Valdes) and its connection to the surname Rivas? If there is information on the family itself in terms of a history, thats what I'd prefer to know. It was mentioned they are "old families", so, I'm guessing there is a lot behind these.
I don't recognize your online name, who are you? If you submitted a genealogy file I'd like to read it since I track Tovar/Tobar from Jerez.
I do have one entry from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico, not sure if it's the area or time frame you are looking for:
Marriage: 13 Jan 1823 in Jerez Zacatecas Mexico
Jose Rebeles, age 23 vecino
Parents: Don Andres Rebeles and Dona Francisca Correa
With: Dona Maria Josefa Llanos y Valdes, age 17 vecina
Parents: Don Agustin Llanos y Valdes and Dona Ynocencia Tobar
Witness: Don Francisco Llanos
source: 0440061 Jerez church marriages
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett
--- On Wed, 10/15/08, AlmightyMexijew wrote:
From: AlmightyMexijew
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Llanos Y Valdez / Llanos Y Valdes information?
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:12 AM
So after a long grace period away from this, I decided to run a search and see
what comes up and I found 2 things of promise. Problem is, they are very vague
mentions in the posts that came up.
Does anyone know much of the surname Llanos Y Valdez(also spelt Llanos Y
Valdes) and its connection to the surname Rivas? If there is information on the
family itself in terms of a history, thats what I'd prefer to know. It was
mentioned they are "old families", so, I'm guessing there is a lot
behind these.
Thanks Primos..
I am Cole. My family history comes up if you search
"Rivas/Salas/Flores/Llanos Y Valdez"...I included the whole family up til my
grandmother's generation(as she is the oldest living link). Our family
supposedly had a rancho by Val Paraiso, but, nothing really has come up for
that...I do know that my Llanos y Valdez were very wealthy though...
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I don't recognize your online name, who are you? If you submitted a
> genealogy file I'd like to read it since I track Tovar/Tobar from Jerez.
>
> I do have one entry from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico, not sure if it's the area
> or time frame you are looking for:
>
> Marriage: 13 Jan 1823 in Jerez Zacatecas Mexico
> Jose Rebeles, age 23 vecino
> Parents: Don Andres Rebeles and Dona Francisca Correa
> With: Dona Maria Josefa Llanos y Valdes, age 17 vecina
> Parents: Don Agustin Llanos y Valdes and Dona Ynocencia Tobar
> Witness: Don Francisco Llanos
> source: 0440061 Jerez church marriages
>
> Linda Castanon-Long in Everett
>
> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, AlmightyMexijew wrote:
>
> From: AlmightyMexijew
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Llanos Y Valdez / Llanos Y Valdes information?
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:12 AM
>
> So after a long grace period away from this, I decided to run a search and
> see
> what comes up and I found 2 things of promise. Problem is, they are very
> vague
> mentions in the posts that came up.
>
> Does anyone know much of the surname Llanos Y Valdez(also spelt Llanos Y
> Valdes) and its connection to the surname Rivas? If there is information
> on the
> family itself in terms of a history, thats what I'd prefer to know. It was
> mentioned they are "old families", so, I'm guessing there is a lot
> behind these.
>
> Thanks Primos..
Cole:
The Llanos y Valdes in the Jerez area are descendant from a certain Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes who was a captain in the Spanish army, son of Spanish immigrants born in Michoacan around 1652. Note that the name is composed, i.e. it is not that one parent was named Llanos and the other Valdes. The two have been used in a composed manner since the immigration of the first Llanos y Valdes to Michoacan in the early 1600s.
Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes married the daughter of a matrimony of two of the most prominent and wealthy Jerez Spanish families, the Carlos de Godoy and Carrillo D'Avila.
http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1531
His descendants largely go by simply the name Valdes these days as after the independence "composed" Spanish surnames like Llanos y Valdes were out of fashion. They are very wealthy landowners throughout the Jerez region. Much of the land in the town where my father was born, Villa Guerrero, is owned by Llanos y Valdes.
You will have to trace your ancestor back to one of the documented branches. Have you searched through Jerez records to try to find a connection. If your ancestor is indeed a descendant of this family, the connection will be found there since that is the nucleus and one of the older towns in the region... certainly where older records from Valparaiso are likely to be.
How do I find these records or research this potential connection? I'm a
university student, and living in California(San Diego), so my access to
records in Mexico is not exactly very good. If my finances were better, I'd
probably cheat a little bit and do a mtDNA test to determine potential
matches who might have a better idea of family history(and also get some
perspective on long term migratory patterns), but I'm not able to afford the
$125 pricetag that the weakest of the tests runs at :(
That said, I've noticed your family comes up in connection to this larger
family as well. Do you have a comprehensive history of the Llanos y Valdes
family of the area?? It'd make for an interesting contrast between where we
were and the hardship that we went through after Aurelio Rivas passed away
and couldn't fund Jesus Rivas' education as an engineer anymore, which
ultimately led to the family crossing to the States.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:04 PM, arturoramos wrote:
>
> Cole:
>
> The Llanos y Valdes in the Jerez area are descendant from a certain Juan
> Jose Llanos y Valdes who was a captain in the Spanish army, son of Spanish
> immigrants born in Michoacan around 1652. Note that the name is composed,
> i.e. it is not that one parent was named Llanos and the other Valdes. The
> two have been used in a composed manner since the immigration of the first
> Llanos y Valdes to Michoacan in the early 1600s.
>
> Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes married the daughter of a matrimony of two of the
> most prominent and wealthy Jerez Spanish families, the Carlos de Godoy and
> Carrillo D'Avila.
>
> http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1531
>
> His descendants largely go by simply the name Valdes these days as after
> the independence "composed" Spanish surnames like Llanos y Valdes were out
> of fashion. They are very wealthy landowners throughout the Jerez region.
> Much of the land in the town where my father was born, Villa Guerrero, is
> owned by Llanos y Valdes.
>
> You will have to trace your ancestor back to one of the documented
> branches. Have you searched through Jerez records to try to find a
> connection. If your ancestor is indeed a descendant of this family, the
> connection will be found there since that is the nucleus and one of the
> older towns in the region... certainly where older records from Valparaiso
> are likely to be.
Cole:
I am descendant from the Llanos y Valdes through one of my paternal great-grandfathers, Juan Gutierrez Jara. As far as searching through Mexican baptism and marriage records, it is quite easy to do through an LDS family history center in San Diego.
You should start from people you know and go backwards, i.e. start in Valparaiso until you get to the end of those records and then start looking in older parrishes of the region, i.e. Mezquitic, Tlaltenango, Jerez:
Filmed chuch records in Valparaiso go back to 1831 (for baptisms) and 1864 (for marriages). I don't think any are indexed and thus they are not searchable online, but if you know the approximate date of birth of your grandparents or great grandparents, you should be able to find their baptism certificate which will then list their parents and grandparents names...
Here is my Llanos y Valdes connection. If you follow the link in my previous email, you can see what I have documented of this family horizontally, i.e. other than those lines from which I descend.
1 Juan Jose LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1652
Juana DE AVILA Y SILVA b. 1655
2 Salvador LLANOS Y VALDES
Antonia CARLOS DE GODOY
3 Leonarda LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1702
Cayetano Xines DE URENA b. 1693
4 Maria Antonia Gertrudis DE URENA
Joseph Cayetano DE JARA COVARRUBIAS b. 30 Mar 1737
5 Rafael JARA URENA c. 28 Jul 1777 d. 1 May 1822
Maria Josefa Selsa VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1783 d. 27 May 1866
6 Pedro JARA VALLEJO b. 1803
(Maria) Tomasa CAMPOS HUERTA b. 1812
7 Anastacia JARA CAMPOS b. 24 Jan 1840
Catarino GUTIERREZ YSLAS b. 1835
8 Juan GUTIERREZ JARA b. 31 Mar 1873
I´m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got confused who) has de UREÑA family and I have it too, my Ureña line begins with Cornelia Cipriana UREÑA b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña, zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano Ureña abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna UREÑA and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).
What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los Ureña" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible connection.
Best regards to all of you
Alessandro
Alessandro, did you read my message, I did not see your Apodaca ancestors on the family tree you submitted to the website. I was wondering if you could share that family line with me, I am just curious. By the way, did you grow up in Atotonilco el Bajo?
Steve
--- On Wed, 10/22/08, viteliky wrote:
From: viteliky
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 5:41 PM
I´m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got confused
who) has de UREÑA family and I have it too, my Ureña line begins with Cornelia
Cipriana UREÑA b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña, zacoalco de Torres,
Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano Ureña abt 1770 and Ma.
Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna UREÑA and Maria Luisa ABILA
(both abt 1750).
What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los
Ureña" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this
family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible connection.
Best regards to all of you
Alessandro
Alessandro,
My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ureña before she married my
grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from
Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?
Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
----- Original Message -----
From: "viteliky"
To:
Sent: 22 October, 2008 14:41
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
>
> I´m sorry to stick my nose here, but I noticed one of you (really got
> confused who) has de UREÑA family and I have it too, my Ureña line begins
> with Cornelia Cipriana UREÑA b: 16 sept 1803 in Rancho de los Ureña,
> zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Her parents were: Jose atanacio Laureano
> Ureña abt 1770 and Ma. Narcisa BIscarra; the grand-parents were: Jose Juna
> UREÑA and Maria Luisa ABILA (both abt 1750).
>
> What is interestin is the fact that there is a place called "Rancho de los
> Ureña" which means it belongs to this family. Hope the person who has this
> family lines get in contact with me and see if we have a posible
> connection.
>
> Best regards to all of you
>
> Alessandro
Veronica I research Jerez Zacatecas. What is your grandmothers name and approximate dates of birth?
Linda in Everett
--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Veronica Rahorn wrote:
From: Veronica Rahorn
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:32 PM
Alessandro,
My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ureña before she married my
grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both from
Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?
Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
Erlina,
Thank you!
This is what I have for her.
Carmen CEBALLOS
b: 15 Jul 1897 in El Cargadero, Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico
d: 3 Apr 1997 in Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona, United States of America
I was able to find her baptismal certificate; although, the priest had the
parents and grandparents names totally screwed up. My nana's parents were
Crescencio CEBALLOS and Rosita ORTIZ.
She was married to Pedro URENA, but I don't know where or when.
Thanks again,
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
To:
Sent: 28 October, 2008 13:43
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
>
> Veronica I research Jerez Zacatecas. What is your grandmothers name and
> approximate dates of birth?
>
> Linda in Everett
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Veronica Rahorn wrote:
>
> From: Veronica Rahorn
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] UREÑA FAMILY
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:32 PM
>
> Alessandro,
> My paternal grandmother was first married to an Ureña before she married
> my
> grandfather Vidaure. Her first husband was named Pedro. They were both
> from
> Jerez, Zacatecas. Any possibility that you are related to this branch?
>
> Is the Rancho you mentioned in Jalisco?
>
> Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
>
>
>
>
>
Cole,
I too am descended from this couple, as are Sally and Hector, two other members of Ranchos. I got help from them and also from a man in Mexico named Salvador Cabral. I will send you that family tree to your e-mail address as an attachment later. I haven't figured out how to upload it to WorldConnect or to the files here yet. I can't concentrate lately. My husband had surgery for his prostate cancer, and I am busy being his nurse and doing some chores he used to do.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:49 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] For Cole: Llanos y Valdes
Cole:
I am descendant from the Llanos y Valdes through one of my paternal great-grandfathers, Juan Gutierrez Jara. As far as searching through Mexican baptism and marriage records, it is quite easy to do through an LDS family history center in San Diego.
You should start from people you know and go backwards, i.e. start in Valparaiso until you get to the end of those records and then start looking in older parrishes of the region, i.e. Mezquitic, Tlaltenango, Jerez:
Filmed chuch records in Valparaiso go back to 1831 (for baptisms) and 1864 (for marriages). I don't think any are indexed and thus they are not searchable online, but if you know the approximate date of birth of your grandparents or great grandparents, you should be able to find their baptism certificate which will then list their parents and grandparents names...
Here is my Llanos y Valdes connection. If you follow the link in my previous email, you can see what I have documented of this family horizontally, i.e. other than those lines from which I descend.
1 Juan Jose LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1652
Juana DE AVILA Y SILVA b. 1655
2 Salvador LLANOS Y VALDES
Antonia CARLOS DE GODOY
3 Leonarda LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1702
Cayetano Xines DE URENA b. 1693
4 Maria Antonia Gertrudis DE URENA
Joseph Cayetano DE JARA COVARRUBIAS b. 30 Mar 1737
5 Rafael JARA URENA c. 28 Jul 1777 d. 1 May 1822
Maria Josefa Selsa VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1783 d. 27 May 1866
6 Pedro JARA VALLEJO b. 1803
(Maria) Tomasa CAMPOS HUERTA b. 1812
7 Anastacia JARA CAMPOS b. 24 Jan 1840
Catarino GUTIERREZ YSLAS b. 1835
8 Juan GUTIERREZ JARA b. 31 Mar 1873
I received Emilie's tree(thanks Emilie!) and went through it. I don't have
any names or dates that match though :( It would seem that my farthest link
that I have a name for would be in her 8th or 9th generation listed. The
problem is, I don't know anything about those individuals except names and
dates and where they're from, so, I can't discern if they're truly related
and are unlisted siblings. Theres the additional issue of name-matching; by
that generation, hers are no longer "Llanos Y Valdes" by name...whereas mine
retained it up until the marriage with the Rivas family.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:
> Cole,
>
> I too am descended from this couple, as are Sally and Hector, two other
> members of Ranchos. I got help from them and also from a man in Mexico
> named Salvador Cabral. I will send you that family tree to your e-mail
> address as an attachment later. I haven't figured out how to upload it to
> WorldConnect or to the files here yet. I can't concentrate lately. My
> husband had surgery for his prostate cancer, and I am busy being his nurse
> and doing some chores he used to do.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: arturoramos
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:49 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] For Cole: Llanos y Valdes
>
>
>
> Cole:
>
> I am descendant from the Llanos y Valdes through one of my paternal
> great-grandfathers, Juan Gutierrez Jara. As far as searching through
> Mexican baptism and marriage records, it is quite easy to do through an LDS
> family history center in San Diego.
>
> http://www.familysearch.org
>
> You should start from people you know and go backwards, i.e. start in
> Valparaiso until you get to the end of those records and then start looking
> in older parrishes of the region, i.e. Mezquitic, Tlaltenango, Jerez:
>
> Filmed chuch records in Valparaiso go back to 1831 (for baptisms) and 1864
> (for marriages). I don't think any are indexed and thus they are not
> searchable online, but if you know the approximate date of birth of your
> grandparents or great grandparents, you should be able to find their baptism
> certificate which will then list their parents and grandparents names...
>
> Here is my Llanos y Valdes connection. If you follow the link in my
> previous email, you can see what I have documented of this family
> horizontally, i.e. other than those lines from which I descend.
>
> 1 Juan Jose LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1652
> Juana DE AVILA Y SILVA b. 1655
>
> 2 Salvador LLANOS Y VALDES
> Antonia CARLOS DE GODOY
>
> 3 Leonarda LLANOS Y VALDES b. 1702
> Cayetano Xines DE URENA b. 1693
>
> 4 Maria Antonia Gertrudis DE URENA
> Joseph Cayetano DE JARA COVARRUBIAS b. 30 Mar 1737
>
> 5 Rafael JARA URENA c. 28 Jul 1777 d. 1 May 1822
> Maria Josefa Selsa VALLEJO ZUNIGA b. 1783 d. 27 May 1866
>
> 6 Pedro JARA VALLEJO b. 1803
> (Maria) Tomasa CAMPOS HUERTA b. 1812
>
> 7 Anastacia JARA CAMPOS b. 24 Jan 1840
> Catarino GUTIERREZ YSLAS b. 1835
>
> 8 Juan GUTIERREZ JARA b. 31 Mar 1873
I just wanted to mention that my great-grandmother was an Ureña. Her family lived in Totatiche, Jalisco, and her branch of the Ureñas started originally in Jerez, so I'm sure there is a connection. I have many Ureñas from that general are in my database. Email me and I'll see if there is a connection.
A friend of mine at the local FHC asked for my help in translating a document. It is from a country that uses the cyrillic [sp?] alphabet, but the printed part is also in Latin, as well as what the priest hand-wrote on the form.
what does vindo mean?
Viudo may be the word, meaning widow, or widow of.
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Sent: Oct 26, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another question
what does vindo mean?
I think you mean viudo, which means widow.
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To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:49 PM
I think you mean viudo, which means widow.
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--- On Sun, 10/26/08, sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com wrote:
From: sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another question
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:47 PM
Viudo may be the word, meaning widow, or widow of.
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Sent: Oct 26, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another question
what does vindo mean?
When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages. It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or maternal?
Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal grandparents, respectively.
Sincerely
Jaime
----- Original Message -----
From: "resco16"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages. It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or maternal? Is that right?
Thank you Jaime. Normally are the adults (or minors) related? I notice the last names tend to be the same but not sure of their relations yet but thankfully I found this site to search. My cousin told me that we are distant relatives of Gen. Mariano Escobedo (not direct descendants) and because of that our male ancestors were conscripted into the federal army to fight against Pancho Villa. I was wondering are there any military records?
--- On Sun, 10/26/08, alvaradj@comcast.net wrote:
From: alvaradj@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:20 PM
Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de
edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal
grandparents, respectively.
Sincerely
Jaime
----- Original Message -----
From: "resco16"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages.
It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or
mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents
names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or
maternal? Is that right?
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Robert Escobedo wrote:
> Thank you Jaime. Normally are the adults (or minors) related? I notice the last names tend to be the same but not sure of their relations yet but thankfully I found this site to search. My cousin told me that we are distant relatives of Gen. Mariano Escobedo (not direct descendants) and because of that our male ancestors were conscripted into the federal army to fight against Pancho Villa. I was wondering are there any military records?
>
> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, alvaradj@comcast.net wrote:
>
> From: alvaradj@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:20 PM
>
> Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de
> edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal
> grandparents, respectively.
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
>
> Jaime
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "resco16"
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
>
>
> When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages.
> It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or
> mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents
> names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or
> maternal? Is that right?
Steve Apodaca: Thanks for wrighting back. Answering your question.... no, I grew up in Guadalajara, but my mom was born and grew in Atotonilco El Bajo as well as my grandmother and all her family and ancestors. I visited 1000s of times the town and have lovely memories about it till now. I know the area very well, all the surroundings as Estipac, Villacorona, Cocula, Zacolaco, Sta Catarina and some others as Sayula, Las Barrancas, Acatlan, Ameca, etc. My mom and grandmother (still alive) told me many stories about these places and the way life was many years ago. I do have some stories written and it´s very interesting. About the Apodaca lines in my page, I don´t understand why they didn´t appear, I´m fixing that now. But anyway I remember y sent you the attachments with all this information and answered a previous mail. No matter what, I´ll send it again, ok? Actually I asked you for the information you have that I don't to complete all the family siblings..... Wait for your news
Alessandro,
The site doesn't allow attachments. You have to upload your files to the files in Ranchos. I think there are instructions in the site. I don't know how to do it either.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: ALESSANDRO VITELA-TOSCANO
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apodaca´s charts
Steve Apodaca: Thanks for wrighting back. Answering your question.... no, I grew up in Guadalajara, but my mom was born and grew in Atotonilco El Bajo as well as my grandmother and all her family and ancestors. I visited 1000s of times the town and have lovely memories about it till now. I know the area very well, all the surroundings as Estipac, Villacorona, Cocula, Zacolaco, Sta Catarina and some others as Sayula, Las Barrancas, Acatlan, Ameca, etc. My mom and grandmother (still alive) told me many stories about these places and the way life was many years ago. I do have some stories written and it´s very interesting. About the Apodaca lines in my page, I don´t understand why they didn´t appear, I´m fixing that now. But anyway I remember y sent you the attachments with all this information and answered a previous mail. No matter what, I´ll send it again, ok? Actually I asked you for the information you have that I don't to complete all the family siblings..... Wait for your news. Wright back soon PS: Attached you´ll find the Apodaca files I have. Best regardsLIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
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