Nuestros Ranchos Site

The orginal indigenous inhabitants of the area around Momax, Zacatecas
were Caxcanes, Tepecanos and perhaps Zacatecas. All of these ethnic
groups were Uto-Aztecan speakers, meaning that the languages that they
spoke were related to Nahuatl, though Tepecano is not as closely related
to the others. The migration of that group southward was much later
than that of the Mexica, and is closer to Pima and some Southwestern
U.S. indigenous languages. Uto-Aztecan speakers are originally from the
area around Arizona and Utah (thus the Uto in the language family name).

But you are correct in that the names are Nahuatl-derived. Soon after
Spanish arrival in the area, the local indigenous populations were
largely decimated and other natives migrated to the area to meet labor
needs. I know that in Colotlan, Jalisco, hundreds of Tlaxcaltec
families were brought in as colonizers by the Spanish and "mexicano"
(the language of the Mexica and Tlaxcaltecs now academically refered to
as Nahuatl) was the lingua franca by the early 1600s. It seems that
many of the names were Nahuatlized.

What's in the telling of our stories and telling of our lives? It depends........, could be a great deal or very little, depending on who's doing the telling and who's doing the listening.

I, because I've been consumed with geneaological research for the last year and a half, communicate this to almost anyone who will listen, who is family or may be family or may want to be family or may want to just listen to me babble.

In one of my spurts a few months back, I began to relate to one of my sister's friends who is from Mexico with ancestors from Monterey, Nuevo Leon and from Chihuahua how I was doing family research. One conversation led to another and while she listened to my musings she interrupted me to say that she believed we might be related to her boyfriend, as he had mentioned in their long courtship some of the same family names and the same towns and ranchos. She then told us that he had a book on Nochistlan which I assumed would be Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' book. I showed her my copy of this book and she said it was a different one that focused on the Duranes of Nochistlan, Zac, written by a Duran of Nochistlan. A couple of weeks later she came with her boyfriend. Sure enough, her boyfriend's grandparents were from Nochistlan.

Last night they dropped by with this book, written in spanish by Ingeniero Jesus Duran Rodriguez with a prologue by Mariano Gonzalez Leal. The title is; NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS, Su Parroquia, Los Duran y otras familias antiguas. Estudio Historico-Genealogico. It is 349 long delicious pages of local history.
This hardback book was printed in 1991 in Monterrey, N.L, Mexico and has many photographs but it does not have an ISBN number.
They let me borrow this book and will allow me to present it to our next Northern California meeting to be held in July in Brentwood Ca.They might also consider attending this meeting with me if their schedule allows it. If there are any of you out there from the Nochistlan area or any other town mentioned below that are interested in research of this area, this book is full of family and histrorical data.

Some of the other Zacatecas towns are Apulco, Jalpa, Toyahua, Tenayuca, Cofradia de la Animas and Tlachichila. It also includes families from Mexticacan, Yahualica, Jalostitlan, Tepatitlan and Teocaltiche Jalisco as well as Aguascalientes. It lists property owners, Census records, death, marriage, baptism and church records, slavery in Nochistlan and much local and regional history since the founding of this city.

That's all for now,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Sorry,

That Brickwall workshop will be on April 13, not April 23 and it is free.

Alicia

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
For anyone living in the Seattle area there will be a workshop on April 23 at the NARA facility. See the link below.

Saludos,
Alicia

http://www.archives.gov/pacific-alaska/seattle/public/workshops.html

I am listening to a book on tape called "Havanna Dreams." It has a lot
of Cuba's history in it as related to Fidel Castro. One section was
talking about this dish that was named in such a way that it sounded
like it had Racial Overtones. The black bean and rice dish was called
"Moros y Christianos" or something like that.

Has anyone ever heard of this or other foods that had reference to Race?

joseph

Tony:

I am switiching this conversation to the Research list since this is really a research topic.

There are 26 Gerardo Diaz in the Social Security death index. Where did your gradfather initially live/work when he immigrated to the United States? Where did he cross the border (El Paso? Nogales?) Do you know when and where he died?

If you search under Gerardo Diaz, there is only one record for someone whose SSN was issued in Illinois a and that person was born in 1927 so I doubt it is your grandfather... so I tried searching under Jose Diaz... since in Mexico people's official church names were often preceding by Jose or Maria even if they never used that part of the name in real life... i.e. someone named Marcelo Garcia would be listed in their baptism record as Jose Marcelo Garcia...

Under Jose Garcia there is this possible lead:

JOSE DIAZ 19 Nov 1892 Feb 1976 83 Chicago, Cook, IL 60625 (not specified) Illinois 345-46-0754

You would have to confirm that your father first worked in Illinois (and therefore applied for his SSN there) and his death date. If this is him, you could simply order his application for an SSN from the social security administration using the SSN listed here.

Here

~~glo~~

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Thank you for your assistance... I am eager to begin my research.

My grandfather's name was Gerardo Diaz.

This where I plan to be on Monday morning rather than at work

joseph

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Monday, April 10 National Day of Action for immigrant's rights
(rallies/marches will be held all over the country)

At UNC on monday morning again at 9:50 we'll be meeting to repeat friday's event
(south building and march)...and go into the pit with information on the siler city as
well and make more signs. have flags from different countries, chants and then we'll try
to have music about immigrants. USA flags are more than welcome. Since we are all here to
achieve the American Dream! :)

PLEASE REMEMBER TO WEAR A SOLID WHITE T-SHIRT.

We know that nearly all of the old Ranchos members made it over to the new site by logging in at least once since the site was launched.

However, there is a large number of people who are not signed up for the mailing lists. Joseph did the first step of the process for a number of people when he moved their files over from the old site. However, in order for the mailing list sign-up process to be completed, the person signing up MUST reply to the confirmation e-mails that she or he receives.

Some of you have changed your settings to "no mail" and so there is a reason why you are not getting emails. Anybody else who is not receiving the forum postings or digests of the postings, please go back and find the emails that you received and reply to EACH of them seperately. If you cannot find them follow these steps:
(1) Click on "mailing lists" on the right-hand menu
(2) Unsubscribe yourself from all three lists
(3) Click "Submit"
(4) Click on "mailing lists" on the right-hand menu again
(5) Resubscribed yourself to the lists and click "Submit"
(6) Look for emails that will arrive to your email address in a few minutes
(7) Simply reply to each of these emails, without adding any text

For more detailed instructions with pictures, you can read through the relevant parts of the Nuestros Ranchos Users Guide found in the Reference Materials section of the Files.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

...or is it harder to post a message? I don't mean to come to the site and actually post. But, when Ranchos was around, it was easy to see and respond to a message because it popped up in our email. Now we actually have to come to the site...and I'm finding that, now, I'm not doing it as often. I love the site, really, it just seems harder. I feel like I haven't really had any dialogue with anyone. :o(
On a brighter note, I went to a book signing/reading last weekend with Sandra Cisneros. For all the readers in the group, I recommend all her books - especially to the women. She writes with so much passion...she's so lyrical in her words. Her last book, Caramelo, I've read about 20 times. Ms. Cisneros signed my copy and a copy of poetry of hers that I bought at the signing called, "Loose Woman". I know this doesn't seem to have anything to do with genealogy, but her book, Caramelo, is the story of the main characters family, as her great-grandfather was from Spain, her grandparents from Mexico, and, finally, as her father made his way from Mexico to Chicago. It's a fun book with lots of historical references that you all may find entertaining.

Muchas Smooches!
Peggy

I'm a proud grandmother, too. This is my clan (w/yr of birth; without surnames) -
The children of my daughter Elena:
Joseph Jesus, 1999
Emma Anabel, 2001
Carolina Ryann, 2005 (Carolina - with a Spanish pronounciation, NOT like in North Carolina)

The children of my daughter Laura:
Maria Liliana Evangeline (AKA Lily), 2003
Naomi Arlene, 2005

The child of my daughter Heather Maria:
Jacob Luis, 2004

All proudly carrying Zacatecan genes.

My two sons, Patrick Joaquin and Justin Miguel, are not married - yet.

Congratulations on Emily!!

Natalie in Virginia

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...or is it harder to post a message? I don't mean to come to the site and actually post. But, when Ranchos was around, it was easy to see and respond to a message because it popped up in our email. Now we actually have to come to the site...and I'm finding that, now, I'm not doing it as often. I love the site, really, it just seems harder. I feel like I haven't really had any dialogue with anyone. :o(
On a brighter note, I went to a book signing/reading last weekend with Sandra Cisneros. For all the readers in the group, I recommend all her books - especially to the women. She writes with so much passion...she's so lyrical in her words. Her last book, Caramelo, I've read about 20 times. Ms. Cisneros signed my copy and a copy of poetry of hers that I bought at the signing called, "Loose Woman". I know this doesn't seem to have anything to do with genealogy, but her book, Caramelo, is the story of the main characters family, as her great-grandfather was from Spain, her grandparents from Mexico, and, finally, as her father made his way from Mexico to Chicago. It's a fun book with lots of historical references that you all may find entertaining.

Muchas Smooches!
Peggy

-----Original Message-----
From: Josie T. Trevino [mailto:josiett3@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:18 AM
To: 'Joseph Puentes'
Subject: RE: Emily and Other Ranchos Babies

Hello to all!

It looks like "Grandma" got caught napping and Mickey beat me to the
draw~!!! I had a great announcement planned to send my "Ranchos Compadres
and Comadres" but with all the activity going on here I just had not had a
chance to do so! Yesssss, my little Emily was born on Monday (Swiss time)
at 7:36 am and weighs about 7 lbs 2 oz. I say "about" because they figure
things in grams, kilos, etc. around here.....not like we do in TEXAS!
YEA!...TEXAS has another little beauty!!! A Texas Rose....since she looks
like a little rosebud! :-) Is Grandma proud or what???? :-) :-)
Actually, I am so happy that words cannot explain it all! My daughter and
son-in-law surprised me when they said it would be a "home birth"......and,
after my initial shock......I accepted it. I had these visions of crying,
pain, etc. but it turned out to be one of the most beautiful experiences of
my life! My daughter did extremely well! Of course, the midwife was
prepared to take my daughter to the hospital if things did not go well.
Little Emily has been a wonderful baby and my little Leon (her five year old
brother) is just so happy she is here! Emily has already grasped his little
finger and that made him beam even more!

Today is Wednesday and my little Emily has experienced her first snowfall!
We were greated with snow this morning and it has been snowing for about
five hours now! Yesterday we had a beautiful sunny day! This reminds me of
Texas weather.....you never know what the next day brings!

I know I am way off the subject now.....but Grandmas have a tendency to do
that when it comes to our grandchildren! I am soooooo happy~! I now have a
new little leaf to add to my growing family tree! She was indeed a "special
delivery" and I cannot wait to show her the wonderful stock she comes from!

Hugs to all,

Josie in Switzerland

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:18 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; JOSIETT3@aol.com; Josie T. Trevino
Subject: Emily and Other Ranchos Babies

Maybe we should have a special welcome committee for all the Ranchos babies.
Yes I know they weren't born in one of our Ranchos, but their genes came out
from one of our Ranchos and nothing will ever change that.

Well I know there have been other Ranchos babies born this year and last
year and I would be happy for those of you who know who I'm talking about to
make your announcements public, but I'll not out of respect for your
privacy. I would just like to say CONGRATULATIONS to all of you and
especially to this newest one, Emily in Swisa, Switzerland (can I come for a
visit?).

Does anyone on the list practice the silver dollar tradition?????

My mom (hey don't dad's have traditions?), well anyway my mom would say that
when the child gets just a little older than new born you are suppose to
take a silver dollar and touch its hand with it. If the baby takes the
dollar then it is a sign of a life of prosperity if the baby doesn't it
means otherwise. Hmmm, I can see how this one might not be popular to
practice because I'm sure some of the babies don't grasp the dollar.

joseph

MMG8938@aol.com wrote:

>Hello Everyone!
>
>Just to let you know that Josie Treviño is the proud grandmother of a
>little girl, "Emily". Born in "Swisa"...Switzerland.
>
>Mickey
>

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14199

go to this URL (log-in, files, reference materials, "March 2006
Sacramento Meeting")

keep the minutes and meeting going. There is an announcement in the
minutes for the next meeting later in the summer.

joseph

Help!

In the "Diccionario Geografico" Where do you click to go to a different letter of the alphabet? When it first opens up, the "A" comes up. I want to go to the "M".

Thank you.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

Joseph,

Got your request. Some of my fondest memories of my Mom are of the way she
would use hand gestures to emphasize a point. Such as touching the tip of her
index finger to the area below the outside corner of her eye, then pulling
corner down to slightly expose the area below the eyeball. She would do this and
say something like "Vease bien, mijo" when making a point that I should keep
an eye on something, or someone; or look into it more deeply.

My Mom's Father's family comes from La Noria de San Pantaleon, Zacatecas.
Has anyone crossed this area in their research? I believe it is near
Sombrerete, Zacatecas.

Ken Alva
Southern California

wow you guys are great. Please keep having these meetings and hopefully
more and more members will start attending.

thanks for CC'ing me. . .I'm happy to be included.

joseph

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Here are the minutes from our March 2006 meeting. Thank you Irma for putting them together!

Please note the date and location for our next meeting: July 29th at 11:00 am, at the Raley's
Event Center in Brentwood. Thank you Kitty for the wonderful tip on the Event Center!

I will draft an agenda for the next meeting as we get closer to the date. One item is our
individual genealogy libraries. Please put that together and e-mail it to Kitty.

I am also attaching Kitty's handout from the meeting.

Joseph, I am cc'ing you so that you can post the minutes from our meeting and Kitty's handout
on nuestrosranchos, if you would like to do so.

In closing, I want to say that it will be nice to get out of the 100 degree weather in Sac
and escape to Brentwood for our meeting in July.

Maria

I don't know if this will go through. I thought I posted something yesterday and I don't think it went through. I thought I was signed up for the mailing list but maybe I'm not?

FamilySearch announced today the release of a new research product that will help those with Mexican heritage to succeed in their quest to learn more about their ancestors. The research guide, Finding Records of Your Ancestors, Mexico, features easy-to-follow, step-by-step instructions, colorful graphics and tear-out worksheets. A free copy can be viewed or downloaded below.

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is there anyone on the other end of this email?

Did we lose all of you?

I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .

. . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
this message.

If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me the
name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
.for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch" in
the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this was
a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest child
and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same time
suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.

Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
normal.

So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?

joseph

As some of you have noticed, one of the new functionalities of the new Nuestros Ranchos site is the films database. The database allows you to search the IGI and VRI indices on familysearch.org simply by finding the name of the relevant municipality and the relavant dates. The database also has information on films that members have on permanent loan at their local Family History Centers.

Currently there are nearly 450 films in the database. Ideally, we would like to have all of the films from our region which are indexed on the database. For any of you who use familysearch.org often and have figured out what the batch numbers are for your relevant municipalities, please take the time to share the information for the group by putting the information into the database if it is not there yet.

The database can also now be edited, which means that if a film is already listed, but is listed with incorrect dates or batch numbers you can correct the errors. You can also add your name to the list of borrowers if you have a listed film on indefinite loan at your local FHC.

Please let me know if you have any questions or problems using the database.

Arturo

Hello,

Four new files for my decsendants Juan Zuniga, Domingo Nava, Diego Luna and
Miguel Carlos Godoy all from Tepetongo, Jerez and Monte Escovedo Zac.

Sally Zuniga- Quinones matthew_chavez1

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Seems that the word: Genealogy is a looked upon with distain from those
that study History. For that reason I left the word out of the
description of the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. Genealogy is a
subset of History and felt I was not slighting anyone in the genealogy
camp by doing this. Well with some files on genealogy scattered around
the website I thought I should at least create a section for the
genealogical materials, which I did.

Have a look at the new genealogy section of the Nuestra Familia Unida
podcast:

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/genealogy.html

There are a lot of talented and knowledgeable folks that are receiving
this notice that I could almost "beg" to step forward and produce
content for this section. If you have a genealogical message within your
understanding that could benefit the community I would ask, say, tell,
command (well that's going a little overboard), plead with you to bring
this light out from under your bushel basket and help those of us that
need this understanding.

Don't feel you have to have a Ph.D. or be some kind of authority to
contribute. A small contribution here and there will add up to a section
of this podcast project that will help many. Be part of it.

joseph