Nuestros Ranchos Site

For your information, if you haven't read the latest on this project, I'm forwarding a message posted yesterday at the genealogia.org.mx group:

On 3/16/06, Administrador - Genealogia.org.mx wrote:

Unlocking the Vault: Conversion to Digital Records is Progressing
By Brittany Karford, Church Magazines
http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,40-1-3384-9,00.html

Members may not have to wonder what lies behind the 14-ton vault door
at the Church's Granite Mountain Vault Records (GMVR) facility for much
longer. In as little as 10 years, much of its genealogical collection
may be at their fingertips.

The billions of names preserved on microfilmed records at the vault are
being converted to digital images that can eventually be viewed online
at FamilySearch.org and ultimately searched in and linked to an online
index. The process of digitizing the microfilm is now faster than ever
through a "bleeding edge" technology system called FamilySearch™
Scanning.

"I call it unlocking the vault," says Heath Nielson, the
program's lead software engineer. "I cannot wait for the day when
accessibility to these records becomes available to all."

When that day comes, the records will be available to everyone, both
Latter-day Saints and the public-"God's children
everywhere"-according to the project team. And for those
researching family history under either title, it will mean no more
microfilm, and no more eyes strained from looking at film under dim
light.

The vision, says Brent Thompson, director of records preservation, is
that in the future members in Lima, Peru, who now wait up to six or
eight weeks for microfilm, will be able to go to a family history
center or anywhere with Internet access and look at records with the
click of a button.

It is a giant first step toward putting most of the family history
collection of the GMRV online. Online images and indexes of birth,
marriage, and death records from all over the world may altogether
change how family history work is done. Currently, only a minority of
members pursue family history work, but the accessibility enabled
through FamilySearch Scanning will make it simple for anyone with
Internet access to get involved.

Brother Thompson believes they will, though at first he didn't dream
digitizing the collection would be possible.

"I couldn't imagine it possible in my lifetime," he says. "I
couldn't imagine it possible in my children's lifetime."

At the rate they were going prior to the FamilySearch Scanning
technology, it was estimated that it would take 120 years to convert
applicable films to digital. That same projection is now less than 30
years, perhaps sooner with planned expansions of additional scanners.
The team that couldn't fathom living to see the end result will now be
the team that will someday complete the digitizing process.

So how does it work? One vault worker loads rolls of film into a pod of
scanners and presses "Go". The scanner then takes one comprehensive
video picture and transfers that continuous file to another computer,
where an application analyzes the contrast of the ribbon for quality
and splits each frame into individual JPEGs (a digital file of an
image). To finish, a good pair of eyes reviews the job and processes
the newly created JPEGs. The digital images are then readied for use by
the Church's online indexing program, where volunteers over time will
help extract the birth, marriage, and death information from the images
to create free searchable indexes online (like the 1880 U.S., 1880
Canada, and 1881 British Censuses currently found at FamilySearch.org).

This is a great improvement over the process used just a little more
than a year ago, where one person had to be present throughout the
entire process, manually scrutinizing each frame. Through three to four
feet of film, one technician would adjust the light and contrast with
the film density changes, watching every image come across the screen
and cutting it out. "We thought, 'How can we apply computer
technology to save these poor people's eyes?' " explains Derek
Dobson, product manager. "And how can we more quickly convert these
microfilms to digital images so people can access them more readily on
the Internet?"

Enter Heath Nielson and a team of engineers. Not only does the computer
system they developed speed the process up, but by taking the frames on
a continuous file, it retains the contextual information of each slide
as a piece of a whole.

"In the computer, it's not piecemeal. You can look at a single
frame next to its neighbors, and it tells you something about it,"
Brother Nielson says. Also, with the manual process there was no way of
knowing if they had missed an image, something that is not a factor
with the continuous file.

Though the technology is not entirely novel, their ability to act and
the Church's ability to execute and implement the technology for its
intended purposes makes them pioneers in the field. Yet setting the
program into motion has not been without its glitches.

"It's something I still feel fervently about," Brother Nielson
says. "I knew that if this was something we needed to do, there would
be a way provided." And there was. In the hard and frustrating times,
he said they would find just what mechanism they needed and receive
help from specific individuals just when they needed it-one step at a
time.

On just four scanners, they have tripled output-yet they've still
only completed four percent of the targeted films at the vault, and
more films are coming in. This year alone, they expect to acquire an
additional 28,000, says Wayne Crosby, general manager of GMVR. They
have a lot of work to do.

The good news is they are two to three years away from completing the
transition from microfilm cameras to digital cameras. When this
transition is complete, only the existing microfilm collection will
need to be converted to digital.

Film and microfiche will continue to be stored in the vault, even after
their digital conversion. "The polyester film lasts 300 to 500 years
and will continue to be used for long-term preservation," Brother
Crosby explains, noting that the digitizing of the records is to make
them more accessible to family history researchers, not to make
preservation easier.

And so it's back into the long, chilly corridors deep within Granite
Mountain for not only the polyester films, but the new digital records
as well. There they will reside in one of six 190-foot long rooms.
About 1 million rolls of film are held in each vault, maintained at a
constant 55 degrees and 30 percent humidity, ideal for preservation.

>From the doorway, the row after row of monstrous file cabinets creates
the impression of having fallen into Alice and Wonderland and stepped
into a strange office where filing cabinets stretch from floor to
ceiling.

But the vault where the digital images are stored is for the most part
empty (One DVD can hold up to 4 digitized microfilms). A few short
cabinets hold what's been converted so far, and the expansiveness of
the room whispers of a future when it will be filled. When that day
comes, most members will be able to access the digital images of the
films anywhere they have Internet access-from their homes or local
Family History Center-through the Church's genealogical Web site,
http://www.familysearch.org; and the staff at GMVR won't be bundling in
their coats as often to retrieve fiche and film.

"Think how easy that will be," says Paul Nauta, public relations
manager for the Family and Church History Department. "In the future
individuals anywhere in the world through the Internet will be able to
search the majority of the GMRV's film collection and the billions of
names currently hidden in them-all from the convenience of their
homes or family history center."

"Won't it be nice if in between naps and playing with my children, I
can jump on the Internet and do family history research," says
Brother Nielson.

"This technology is the answer to our hopes, our dreams, and our
prayers," Brother Thompson adds. He smiles, looking out one of the
main office windows-or rather, a giant half-dome portal that opens
the granite slab to the north-facing alpine slope across the canyon.
About to step out of the paper-and-film world that has shaped his
profession, he reflects on the mountainside.

"What a view," he says, "and what a great resource this is for
the Church. What an inspiration it was to build this facility in a
solid wall of granite."
http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,40-1-3384-9,00.html

Over 50% of the members have retrieved their
passwords. Great. At the end
of March we will be setting everyone's Yahoo
subscription to "No
Mail." This means that if you want to communicate with the group you'll
need to send your email to one of the email lists on the new site,
REMEMBER you need to subscribe to the email lists by logging in and
clicking on "mailing lists" from the right-hand menu. I would
strongly suggest that the other 50% of you go in and get your http://nuestrosranchos.org
password and
subscribe to the 3 email lists by clicking “mailing lists” on the right-hand
menu. [Note: You cannot
send messages to the new lists unless you have subscribed to them.  You
must
also remember that when
you subscribe to the lists the site will generate a confirmation email
for each
list. When you receive the confirmation email just reply to it to
complete the
confirmation process].

As
a reminder, the directions for the new lists are as follows:

research@nuestrosranchos.org
(for
messages strictly related to genealogical questions and inquiries)

general@nuestrosranchos.org
(for messages of a historical general nature or of the culture of the
region)

announce@nuestrosranchos.org
(for announcements or messages related to events of interest to group
members)

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Mas
de cincuenta por ciento
de los integrantes del grupo han obtenido sus contraseñas del nuevo
sitio.  ¡Espectacular! 
Al fin de marzo vamos a
cambiar las suscripciones de todos en Yahoo para que ya
no reciban correos electrónicos de esa lista.  Así que si quieren
seguir comunicándose
con el grupo tendrán que enviar sus mensajes a una de las listas del
nuevo
sitio.  Les sugiero a los que están en el otro cincuenta por ciento que
vayan y
obtengan sus contraseñas a http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
y se subscriban a las tres nuevas listas de correo electrónico
seleccionando “mailing
lists” del menú a la derecha.  [Advertencia: No se pueden mandar
mensajes
a las nuevas listas si no se han suscrito a las listas.  También toca
recordar
que cuando se subscriban a las listas, el sitio les mandará un correo
electrónico para cada lista. Cuando reciban este correo, simplemente
respondan
para terminar el proceso de confirmación]

Para
recordarles, las
direcciones de las nuevas listas son las siguientes:

research@nuestrosranchos.org
(para
mensajes relacionados estrictamente con preguntas o sugerencias de
investigaciones genealógicas)

general@nuestrosranchos.org
(para
mensajes sobre temas generales de historia o cultura de la región)

announce@nuestrosranchos.org
(para
anuncios o mensajes relacionados con eventos de interés para los
integrantes
del grupo)

I was googling around looking for info on the boundaries of Nueva
Galicia and came upon this site that I thought some would appreciate:



http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/bevans/



click on some of the links for some nice photographs. Might find the
church your relatives were baptized in.



joseph



ps: as I'm looking I am seeing repeated reference to S. Sinaloa. . .is
this considered part of Nueva Galicia also?



Nueva Galicia (nwā`vä gälē`syä),
Spanish colonial administrative region, W Mexico, comprising roughly
the present states of Jalisco and Nayarit with S Sinaloa. Conquered
(1529–31) by Nuño de Guzmán Guzmán, Nuño de (n`nyō thā g

and later governed by Francisco Vásquez de Coronado, the
territory was the scene of the Mixtón War  in
1541. In 1548 it was given its own audiencia at Guadalajara. Nominally
subject to the viceroy of New Spain, it was essentially a separate
administration controlled from Spain, and it came to be known after the
creation (1563) of a presidential office of its own as the presidency
of Nueva Galicia. Its independent character, however, declined as in
the colonial era authority was more and more centralized in Mexico City.



some other related sites:



http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/nayarit/html/sec_23.html

http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/nayarit/html/sec_32.html



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Also I saw a reference to San Luis Potosi being included??????



http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/bevans/Art454L-49-Jalisco/F00001.html

Elvira and Josie sent me this email. I thought I'd pass it onto the
group. We touched this subject awhile back and I wish there was someway
we could see how much progress they are making. I'd also love to know
when they will have Jalisco and Zacatecas and Aguascalientes done!



I know there is a search engine for the things they have finished. Have
a look and check it every so often to see if they have updates:



http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/ [try putting Mexico into the search engine.
. .toward the end of the 57 hits you get some New Mexico families]



joseph





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For your information in case you havent' received it yet. 

Elvira

A couple of weeks ago there was a discussion of a "Nuestra Vida
Project". What is the current status of this project? Is this
something that is only found on the Nuestros Ranchos site?

I am curious because I am actually looking for information on the
preparation of Birria (a kind of goat stew, although I think I would
prefer to use lamb). I had it a few times in my youth, but that was
DECADES ago. I am also wondering about preparing lamb on the barbecue
or in a smoker. Does anyone have any experience with this. Birria was
one of my father's favorites, and I noticed on one of the Zacatecas
links to municipalities/districts, that Birria is a specialty of the
Valparaiso area (my father was born in the rural area part of
Valparaiso district). That is the GENEALOGICAL link. Anyway, I was
thinking of fixing it for Easter - so if you have any hints, I would
very much appreciate them. Thanks, or as they say on Latino USA
(NPR) - "gracias por su atencion" (pardon my spelling).
Have a good day - take care.

Natalie in VA
PS - If you have any other suggestions for a Mexican-themed Easter
menu, please share. -ncc

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Okay folks I've been privately sending you one of the following form letters. I'm very disappointed
that those that have received the private email have not been replying with your decision I really 
really want you to make a choice and email me PRIVATELY at makas@nc.rr.com with your decision.
If you have received one of these emails I want you to reply it and tell me PRIVATELY at makas@nc.rr.com
what you want to do. If you are busy just choose option #2. It takes a second to
email me PRIVATELY at makas@nc.rr.com with the answers to a) - f) which is the information
below that I need to move you overb successfully to the new site. 

THE YAHOO GROUP WILL (WILL) BE CLOSING AND WE NEED TO GET MOVING ON THE TRANSITION. 

So if you are busy just choose #2 and send me the requested info. But please chose, un ayuda por favor!!!

joseph

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Please choose one:

1) I'll try to move myself to the new list. . .give me some time and 
I'll get back to you if unsuccessful

or

2) please move me


IF you choose number #2 here is what I need from you:

a) Your name like you'd like on your File folder

b) The email address you are currently subscribed to in Yahoo

c) Your Yahoo UserName/ID  not. . .not your password

d) Areas of research---give me the Ranchos and the Cabezera's for each 
Rancho.

e) Surnames of research

f) any additional files you want uploaded to your folder

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Escoja por favor uno:

1) Trataré de moverme a la lista nueva. . .deme algún tiempo y yo 
volveré si tengo problemas

O

2) Muévame por favor

SI usted escoge el número #2 aquí está lo que necesito de usted:

a) Su nombre como usted querría en su carpeta del Archivo

b) La dirección correo electrónico que usted es se abona actualmente a 
en Yahoo

c) Su Nombre del Usuario de Yahoo no su contraseña

d) Las áreas de investigación me dan el Ranchos y el Cabezera son para 
cada Rancho

e) Los apellidos de investigación

f) algún archivo adicional usted quiere cargado a su carpeta

I have made birria before under the guidance of one of my friends.  It
is a very long process, but worth the effort.
 
If I remember correctly, you should go to get your goat (a young one is
best) as fresh as you possibly can get from a butcher (I went to a Greek butcher
and actually picked it out).
 
You bring it home, cut it up, boil it with salt and bay leaves. When it is
done, you place it in the fridge for cooling along with the broth.  The
broth gets really greasy, so the next day, you scrape up the grease and throw it
away.
 
For the sauce, you will need the following:
fresh tomatoes
mexican oregano
salt
black pepper (whole ones)
garlic
onions
some of the broth from the cooked birria
 
Cook the tomatoes, saute the onions and place in blender with the
broth.  Add the spices.
 
Then place the cooked birria in a pan and add the sauce (reserve some of
the sauce to place on top of cooked birria when serving).  Place in the
oven, garnishing it with fresh onions.  Let it heat up thoroughly and serve
with frijoles de la olla.
 
The "salsa" should be made with the same spices - I use chile de arbol
or the smaller chile (pequin?) with some vinegar and tomatoes.
 
I know I didn't give you the exact measurements (because I just
"eyeball it") - but when you find a recipe, try to keep what I use in
mind.  It is really delicious and worth the effort/time.
 
Esperanza
 
 

No te apures par que dures.
Don't worry so you can have a long life.
 
No te metas porque te ensoquetas
Don't go in the "mud" because you will get muddy.
 
No te aguites para que pites
Don't be down, so you can be boisterous.
 
El nino que no llora no come
The child that doesn't cry doesn't eat.
 
Esperanza

I just signed up for my new password so I can navigate this new website, and I find that I can barely read even this as I type it. Could the fonts be larger and bolder? When the messages come through the Yahoo Groups website I can read everything well, but I am really having trouble reading on this website. I am also having trouble understanding the menu of forum topics. Will there be a long list of forum topics to navigate through to find something we want to re-read? I had to submit a forum topic for this message and I couldn't find a forum that seemed appropriate for it.

Thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --

I have uploaded, in the books and articles files section of the new site, the bibliography of "Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano Siglo XVI" being published by the Universidad Autonoma de Zacatecas. The series is authored by José Enciso Contreras and Thomas Hillerkuss.

The attached file is the bibliography of published works that they have used as sources to compile their diccionary. It is a rather exhaustive list of authoritative published works on the early history of Nueva Galicia and the people who lived in the region in the 16th Century.

The first two volumes (with names beginning in A-C and D-G) have already been published and the third volume is shortly forthcoming.

Have a listen to the Chicken Soup for the Latin Soul podcast which is
linked to on the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast. I have recently added
shows #6 and #7 to the list. Listen to #7 and at the very end Susan
Sánchez-Casal gives the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast a great
recommendation:



http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/oral_history.html



===> Podcast #1 - Introduction, reading of poem "University
Avenue" by Pat Mora




===> Podcast #2 - Marie Delgado Travis reads "Abolengo"




===> Podcast #3 - Anjela Villarreal Ratliff reads "In My
Classroom"




===> Podcast #4 - Norma Oquendo reads "I'll Always Remember
You"




===> Podcast #5 - Kathy Cano Murillo reads "Dad, The Rock
Star of Tamale Makers"




===> Podcast #6 - Marie Delgado Travis reads "Me and Don
Paco"




===> Podcast #7 - Monica Garcia Saenz reads "A Hero's Story"






================



Also have a listen to the History section as there are new links to the
"History According to Bob" podcast and the "En La Historia" podcast:



http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/history.html



"History According to Bob"



===> Click To Hear "Aztec Festivals"



===> Click To Hear "Aztec vs Cortez"



===> Click To Hear "The Requiermiento"



===> Click To Hear "Balboa"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Mexico, Part 1"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Mexico, Part 2"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Mexico, Part 3"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Mexico, Part 4"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Mexico, Part 5"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Mexico, Part 6"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Mexico, Part 7"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Mexico, Part 8"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Peru, Part 1"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Peru, Part 2"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Peru, Part 3"



===> Click To Hear "Conquest of Peru, Part 4"



===> Click To Hear "Cortes After the Conquest"





"En La
Historia"



===> "La historia de un imperio en Mesoamérica:
Tenochtitlan"



===> "Un escudo, tres colores y una interesante historia:
La bandera Nacional."



===> "Una semilla milenaria que brinda alegría: el
amaranto."



===> "Y el amor - ¿es puro cuento?"



===> "Los secretos de una excitante bebida: el café"



===> "De cantera gris y tezontle rojo. El Zócalo y su
historia."



===> "Historia ¿para qué?."



===> "De reyes, sabios y magos. Una de las tradiciones más
bellas EN LA HISTORIA."



===> "Los festejos para un nuevo año EN LA HISTORIA"



===> "La navidad EN LA HISTORIA"



===> "De José Guadalupe a Salvador Rivera"



===> "Del pulque al vino tinto, sin olvidar la taberna"




===> "La Delicia de cada Noviembre"



===> "Día de Muertos"

I have uploaded, in the books and articles files section of the new site, the bibliography of "Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano Siglo XVI" being published by the Universidad Autonoma de Zacatecas. The series is authored by José Enciso Contreras and Thomas Hillerkuss.

The attached file is the bibliography of published works that they have used as sources to compile their diccionary. It is a rather exhaustive list of authoritative published works on the early history of Nueva Galicia and the people who lived in the region in the 16th Century.

The first two volumes (with names beginning in A-C and D-G) have already been published and the third volume is shortly forthcoming.

I bet you have seen this, but just in case--personally, I had no idea this
family went to Zacatecas!
 

10. GOVERNOR JUAN⁴ PEREZ-DE-ONATE (CRISTOBAL³
DE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATE, JUAN² PEREZ-DE-ONATE, CRISTOBAL PEREZ¹ DE
NARRIAHONDO) was
born 1552 in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico, and died Abt. June 03, 1626 in
Guadalcanal, Spain. He married Dona ISABEL DE TOLOSA-CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA Abt. 1588 in Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico, daughter of Conquistador JUANES DE TOLOSA and Dona LEONOR DE CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA. She was born Abt. 1568 in Mexico City,
F.D., Mexico, and died 1620 in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Source:  http://www.somosprimos.com/inclan/onate.htm

Dear friends and cousins,

I just uploaded a little file that lists all the valid queries you can make when searching the Birth/Christening records in the IGI.

To see the file you have to log-in first and then select "Files" from the top menu. Next click "Reference Materials" and then select the folder "Searching the IGI". To open the file click on "Using Wildcards"

I created a Truth Table for all the possible combinations of the first six fields in the IGI Search Form, which are used when searching Birth/Christening records. If somebody has the time and is willing I could prepare another Table for the all the possible combinations when searching Marriage records and then try each combination and fill the Results and Error columns.

Un Saludo Cordial

Victor

I offer this information primarily to Linda, who inquired about my foster
father's family from Tepatitlan.  However, I have also included the family
from Arandas just in case anyone might have relatives attached to them!
 
I spoke with my foster sister today, and here is what I learned. 
Severo Hurtado Guerra was born in 1902 in Tepatitlan.  He had 4 brothers,
no sisters (my memories must have been of the sisters-in-law).  His parents
names were Lucio Hurtado and Matiana Guerra.  Severo came to the states
when he was 20 years old, and was the only who immigrated.
 
He married Maria Trinidad Suarez Cerda who was born in 1906 in
LaBarca.  Her mother was Refugio Prajedas Suarez.  They both came to
the states because of poverty (Refugio's husband had another family) in the late
1920's.
 
Their daughter (still living) married into a family from Arrandas,
Jalisco.  The father's name was Salvador Rocha Barrajas and the mother's
name was Josefina Sainz Hernandez.  Discussions with the family talk about
how Salvador inherited the family ranch/hacienda but lost it to gambling. 
I met this family - all of them with the exception of one child had bright blue
eyes (there were 10 children).
 
Esperanza
 

Thanks for your help everyone, it will give me a start....
 
Esperanza

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utlac/00056/lac-00056.html

Joseph, did you see this in the ArchiveGrid? I searched for our area, Tepetongo, and it is listed as far back as 1577. Wonder what it says? I wish I could go to that university in Texas and see.

Emilie

Joseph,

That article you sent on the Aztec Emperors was part of several indexed in an AOL homepage that lists just about all the royal lineages that ever existed anywhere in the world---Roman, Egyptian, Arthurian, etc., etc. and their descendants. Very interesting. Maybe somebody can trace themselves back to Julius Caesar, the pharoahs, etc.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

WITH ALL YOU HAVE BEEN DOING HERE I GO AGAIN ADDING TO THE PILE. I HAD
ASKED ALBERTO TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE BUGARIN PHOTOS BUT I
DISCOVERED THE PICS ARE NOT ON THE NEW SITE. ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE
TO MOVE THE FOLDERS TO THE NEW SITE?? I SURE HOPE SO!
YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ

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Here's something Charles is passing on to the group. As should be our
norm we should take any leads we get from sources like this as just
that: Leads. Leads should produce a strong desire in us to confirm the
work by seeking the source material it was taken from and "seeing" it
ourselves.



. . .yeah yeah yeah I know I'm just preaching to the choir.



thanks Carlitos,



joseph







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Joseph:
 
Here is something for the group to
look at.
 
Sincerely,
 
Charles Clark

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you're in Texas. . .maybe one day when you have time you could browse
through this collection to see if there is anything about our families
here:

Archivo
del Colegio de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe de Zacatecas, records
relating to Mexico and Texas, 1766-1885 (bulk 1766-1779).

Archivo
del Colegio de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe de Zacatecas, records
relating to Mexico and Texas, 1766-1885 (bulk 1766-1779).

.83
linear ft.

Contact an archivist to learn more

about access to materials in this collection

Catholic Archives of Texas

Address: (Austin).

Notes and Summaries:

Photostat
copies of original records in Archivo del Colegio de Nuestra Señora de
Guadalupe de Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Correspondence,
reports, petitions, mss. inventory, manuals, and other printed
materials, relating to Catholic missions in Texas, friars,
missionaries, College of Zacatecas, the Spanish colony, and the
beatification of Fray Antonio Margil de Jesús.

In
Spanish.

Ownership
and Custodial History: Deposited by Texas Knights of Columbus
Historical Commission, 1923-1936.

Finding
aid in the repository.

Described
in Guide to the Spanish and Mexican Manuscript Collection at the
Catholic Archives of Texas / compiled by Dedra S. McDonald (1994), p.
111-112.

This collection covers:

Catholic Church - Missions - Texas.

Catholic Church - Mexico.

Margil de Jesús, Antonio, 1657-1726.

Apostólico Colegio de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe.

College of Zacatecas.

Mexico - History - Spanish colony, 1540-1810.

Friars - Texas.

Friars - Mexico - Zacatecas (Zacatecas)

Missionaries - Mexico.

Missionaries - Texas.

Beatification.

Catholic universities and colleges - Mexico - Zacatecas (Zacatecas)

Corporate
Author: Archivo del Colegio de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe de
Zacatecas.

RLG
Union Catalog Record ID: DCLV95-A1

http://archivegrid.org/web/jsp/s.jsp?q=+jalisco&sort=r&max=20&st=40



just a shot in the dark,



Elvira. . .could these be some of your people:

43. A
Guide to the Lorenzo De Zavala Papers, 1818-1936
Contact
information for University of Texas - The Center for American
History

Scope and Contents The Lorenzo de Zavala
holdings are divided into two distinct groups, one containing materials
contemporary to Lorenzo de Zavala, the other produced after his death
and concerning ...
Read more

... to Jalisco
Jalapa June 17 1829 Santa Anna to Zavala ...

http://archivegrid.org/web/jsp/index.jsp

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I don't know if this is appropriate to address to those planning to go to Salt Lake City in October, but I have a question about the way the IGI works as far as finding the children of women where in the record it says hijo natural or padre no conocido. Maybe someone at the main FHC or Mr. Ryskamp can answer the question.

I recently had help from Arturo on finding the birth record of an ancestor of my husband's and the birth records of the ancestor's parents. I asked him how he found the record so quickly, and he said he had just lucked out on the IGI query. (I never found it after years of looking). So, I thought well, maybe I will luck out today and find this ancestor's son. I got nowhere again on the IGI like had happened for years on this person. So I went back to my old way of going through thousands of people with that surname, and lo and behold, I did luck out. I found him listed with only one surname.

I found that the son had been born three years before the marriage of the people the son had listed as his parents in the baptism records of his children. His baptism record on the IGI only showed the name of his mother, no father listed. The IGI does not allow a search of parents unless you enter both parents' names, or at least the father's whole name and the first name of the mother. I wish that the IGI would allow a search with only the mother's name, since occasionally a woman will have a child out of wedlock and the father is listed as unknown. My question is: Is there any chance that the IGI will ever allow a query using just the mother's name?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

I would like everyone to do one of two things:



1) Volunteer to move to the new site on your own. . .at least try to
request a new password [do not "create a new account"] using
your current Yahoo ID as a User Name, Once the password is sent to you
then log in and change your password to something easier for you to
remember OR just keep the site generated password but carefully
write it down and save it in a safe place so you won't lose it.
After you are successfully logged in click on "create content" and then
on "file folder" and try to create a folder using the format most are
using in the "Member Genealogy files" area of the group.



OR



2) Sent me a PRIVATE email at
makas@nc.rr.com asking me to to help you with the above and to set up
your folder and upload your files. As long as you all are patient I'll
eventually get to all of you that need help being moved over to the new
site. Arturo, Rosalinda and I will work on this together if there are
too many for me to handle. Just email me PRIVATELY
at makas@nc.rr.com and I'll be glad to help you move.



--------------------



Things are confusing now because we're trying to keep Yahoo open and
transition over to the new site. The faster we get folks to move on
their own and then get the rest moved over ourselves the sooner we'll
be somewhat back to normal and not all the double postings and such.



Progress is sometimes hard to take, but this really was necessary. I
hope you all take this move patiently. My goal has always been to keep
the ranchos group free of charge and that is becoming a long term
reality with all the generous hours and hours of programming effort and
skills Arturo has donated to the group. Let's work together to make
this move a success.



In the files area under "Members Genealogy Files" we have 15 of the
members files. I'm rather disappointed that at least 35%-40% of us
haven't taken steps to get themselves up and situated on the new site.



The Yahoo Group is going to close and sooner than you think. There is
not a firm date yet but I'm toying with the idea of sometime in April.



I really need your cooperation. I know what is going to happen. I'm
going to announce the date for the Yahoo site to close and everyone
will rush to get moved. I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. FOR THOSE OF YOU
THAT FIND VALUE IN THE RANCHOS GROUP LET'S START SERIOUSLY MOVING OVER
NOW. hijola, que paso, was I really yelling??? oops sorry. I guess a
little of my frustration got away from me.



it's the 11 of March. . .by the 18th of March I would like to see 30
members in the "Members Genealogy Files" area of the group. I think
that is a modest goal. Can we do it??? Yes of course we can with your
help and with Arturo, Rosalinda and I all working together.



So again trying on your own or just Email me PRIVATELY
at makas@nc.rr.com and I'll be glad to help you with this.



what do you all think???



joseph