Lent and Capirotada Time

Well it is that time again............time to do your shopping and get ready for Capirotada. Tomorrow is fat Tuesday as they say in New Orleans but for "nosotros los Mexicanos" it is time to prepare for Ash Wednesday. Not only do we prepare capirotada but we begin to prepare all the other lenten meals which means meatless pero muy sabroso.   Today we purchased el pan bolillo at the panaderia La Sonorense. Tomorrow we slice the bread lengthwise and toast it in the oven. Hubby diced all the dried fruit today to use for the capirotada. He shelled the peanuts and will toast them tomorrow. He went to Supermercado Mexico today and purchased Canela, piloncillo, tomatillos, queso Oaxaca and we will be ready to roll tomorrow.   For the rest of the meal we bought nopales, dried favas which in spanish are habas and the dried, powdered shrimp. We will make tortas de camaron con nopales en mole rojo. We will shell
and clean the favas and boil until soft, then will saute with chopped onions, minced garlic and diced fresh tomatoes. In the morning we have one very light breakfast as this is a day of fasting which means you have lighter than usual meals. For lunch we will have the favas and for late afternoon the tortas de camaron con nopales y mole rojo. Will have the family over in the late afternoon to share a meal and a prayer and then off to church for Ash Wednesday.   These are my family's traditions from Tlachichila Zacatecas.   Happy Fat Tuesday to all........Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Transition Time

Okay folks I would like to EMPHASIZE that you all should be carefully
checking out the http://nuestrosranchos.org website. It won't be very
very long before we start a push toward making the full transition over
to the new site. Arturo has built a great website that has everything
that the Yahoo group had that we were using. If I were you I would mosey
over there and click on a few links and upload a few files and join the
forums and reply to the confirmation emails and upload some pictures and
basically experiment around.

For those of you that feel comfortable with the sites features why not
go to the Yahoo Website and see what you have in your "genealogy
folder." Then make a duplicate folder for yourself on the new site. No
sense in rushing but this will be good practice and Arturo has made it
so easy that I would like everyone to learn how to use these features of
the new site. Don't worry Arturo and I and Rosalinda will be here to
help you if you need help.

thanks for your patience and participation,

joseph

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Last Call for Donations for Mr. Valdes Salazar

First of all I would like to thank all of those members who have already sent me money for Esteban Valdes Salazar's publishing efforts. I have to date received $150 in donations. Between my father and I, we pledge to match all the donations we receive so thus far we will be getting Mr. Valdes $300.

My parents will be leaving by the middle of March back to Villa Guerrero and my father will be delivering the money in person to Mr. Valdes. If there is anybody who would like to donate but has not done so already, please send your dontation ASAP.

As I mentioned earlier, there are no banks in Totatiche, so you can either make out a postal money order in the name of Esteban Valdes Salazar or make out a personal check to me, Arturo Ramos, and my father will deliver the money in cash or in a single postal money order to Mr. Valdes.

My mailing address is:

Arturo Ramos
1225 13th Street NW Apt 412
Washington, DC 20005

Thanks again!

Last Call for Donations for Mr. Valdes Salazar

First of all I would like to thank all of those members who have already sent me money for Esteban Valdes Salazar's publishing efforts. I have to date received $150 in donations. Between my father and I, we pledge to match all the donations we receive so thus far we will be getting Mr. Valdes $300.

My parents will be leaving by the middle of March back to Villa Guerrero and my father will be delivering the money in person to Mr. Valdes. If there is anybody who would like to donate but has not done so already, please send your dontation ASAP.

As I mentioned earlier, there are no banks in Totatiche, so you can either make out a postal money order in the name of Esteban Valdes Salazar or make out a personal check to me, Arturo Ramos, and my father will deliver the money in cash or in a single postal money order to Mr. Valdes.

My mailing address is:

Arturo Ramos
1225 13th Street NW Apt 412
Washington, DC 20005

Thanks again!

Somos Primos March 2006Table of Contents and Link

I'm so happy and thankful for the continued support from Mimi Lozano
and the Somos Primos website.



See our entry to Somos Primos under "United States" and then below the
education section in the Culture section. Just do a "find" for the word
- podcast



joseph



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Subject: Somos Primos March 2006 Table of Contents and Link lq
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:23:02 -0500 (EST)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com





Click
here: Somos Primos: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity Issues


http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2006/spmar06/spmar06.htm





Dear primos, family, and friends. . .  

Hope all are well in this season of spontanous weather changes . . .



To facilitate searching through previous issues of Somos Primos, my
grandson Luke have created a single file of all the Tables of
Contents
for the 2002-2005 issues. 



All the Tables of Contents are connected, which means you can do a category
search based on the division in Somos Primos, such as BLACK or SPAIN,
or a keyword search  on the titles.  An overview of the
contents of Issues 2000 and 2001 is facilitated by the use of a subject
index created by John P. Schmal.



Once you have identified the issues of interest, then go the homepage
and click to any issue of interest. Hope this helps.



www.somosprimos.con/toc.htm   
Tables of Contents, 2002-2005

www.somosprimos.com/sitesearch.htm  
Keyword search

www.somosprimos.com/yearindex.htm   
Index, 2000-2001







UNITED STATES

National issues

Focus on Veteran Rights For increasing Hispanic federal employment! 

Naval Academy Summer Seminar (NASS) Program 

Focus on Conversion of qualified Hispanic interns to federal
employment!

Developing Internal Policies for placing Interns in Federal Employment

USDA International Internship > Seeks INTERNS, deadline MAR 15, 2006

Smithsonian Internships  > Spring Internship Fair, 26 April 2006

2/8 Notes: NHLA-Federal Government Under-representation of
HispanicsEducation



Education

Cesar Chavez  & Bernardo de Galvez

Successful marriages confer academic benefit on children

Hispanic advocates sue Texas over ESL and bilingual programs

Yahoo discussion Groups

Nuestra Family Unida podcast project   

WALKOUT Screening  > March 1, 2006, HBO > March 18th

Octavio Gomez, Cameraman Helped Cover Latino Civil Rights Movement



Culture

Latino TV characters seen as  the hot gift

Sibling Writing Team Surprises Again

Prestigious festival accepts S.A. filmmaker's maiden effort

Adding Color to Red, White and Blue



Business

The inexorable rise of Latino USA

New Latina Voz on the Web

For Hispanics, Farming is a Growth Industry

Some day laborers report being abused and cheated in their pay



ANTI-SPANISH LEGENDS

Get Fuzzy

Gold enduring Mystique

California Gold Rush and the "49ers"

The greatest theft in history

Smithsonian and the Spirit of Ancient Colombian Gold

Latinos in the Smithsonian Revised

Targeted Minorities

Fuss and feathers at the U. of I. 



MILITARY HEROES AND RESEARCH

Guy Gabaldon Documentary Finally Completed

Texas Vietnam Veterans



SPANISH SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

Cesar Chavez y Bernardo de Galvez: Sons and Souls of California.

Patriot Ancestors from Cuba (Part 2, F-J) by Granville Hough, Ph.D.



SURNAME

Lafon

The Descendents of  Doctor Antonio Fernando Lafon Chapa

S: Armorial Popular          


CUENTOS

Selling the San Antonio Light During WWII

Chicken Breast

Se Trata de Dinero, a stab at pure fiction

Carmen's Dream of Going to Summer Camp, 1941

Summer Camp

Uncle Rey

The Bull Before His Time



ORANGE COUNTY, CA

Sal Castro, Bringing History to life for students

March 4: Story Time for Kids and Adults

March 11: SHHAR Meeting: Ruben Salaz "Epic of the Greater South West"

March 16: Ruben Salaz to speak at Libreria Martinez Bookstore



March 18: MAJOR EVENT: Hispanic Family History Conference, Riverside

                George Ryskamp,  BYU Center for Family History  &
Genealogy

                Classes by Spanish/English, Prof. Ryskamp and BYU
students

Bowers Kidseum

Actors Wanted: Hispanic/Latin-American, and Multi-Racial

In need of luncheon or dinner speakers, contact, contact your editor.



LOS ANGELES, CA

^In need of 2006 luncheon or dinner speaker? Look at article above ^

March 1: WALKOUT by Moctezuma Esparza and James Edward Olmos



March 18: MAJOR EVENT: Hispanic Family History Conference, Riverside

                George Ryskamp,  BYU Center for Family History  &
Genealogy

                Classes in Spanish/English, by Prof. Ryskamp and BYU
students

                Click for more information

March 24, 25, 31st and April 1st Cesar Chavez y Bernardo de Galvez

Conversations North of Mexico, Mental Menudo Art

Hispanics for LA opera, Celebrating the 15th Anniversary of HLAO



CALIFORNIA

March 18: MAJOR EVENT: Hispanic Family History Conference, Riverside

                George Ryskamp,  BYU Center for Family History  &
Genealogy

                Classes in Spanish/English, by Prof. Ryskamp and BYU
students

                Click for more information.



March 2006 marks the 40th anniversary of Chavez's lead 1966 march

The Original California Constitution was a Spanish-English document.

CALIFORNIOS and the Birth of the State of California, 3rd in a series

Noriego Who?

Legendary Queen of California -- Califa

Santa Barbara Trust for Historic Preservation

Sacramento pioneers re-interred in Sacramento County Cemetery

New Latina Court Commissioner

Los Californianos Recommended Reading List

Juan Francisco Permission to Marry

Nieblas - use SF newspapers for DOD

Colonial Life in Spanish California During the North American Revolution

In need of luncheon or dinner speakers, contact, contact your editor.



NORTHWESTERN UNITED STATES

"Building a Lasting Legacy."

Computerized Genealogy Conference

March 10-11, 2006



SOUTHWESTERN UNITED STATES

Ku Klux Klan Had Short Life in El Paso

Alien Arrivals to El Paso click

Book:  Ringside Seat to a Revolution by David Dorado Romo

Book: Cottonwood Saints

Tunnel underneath the US/Mexico border



BLACK

The African Presence in México From Yanga to the Present

Book: My Soul To His Spirit:

            Soulful Expressions From Black Daughters To Their
Fathers   

Research shines spotlight on an unsung L.A. pioneer, John Ballard

At Burial Site, Teeth Tell Tale of Slavery

Taking 'Roots' to a DNA level, PBS series

Family Tree Magazine E-Mail Update

Mall Site Is Chosen for Black History Museum



INDIGENOUS

Native American Film Festival and Cultural Weekend, Palm Springs

Grand View, Hualapai Indians are building a glass walkway 

Now Available: The Flora Patencio Cahuilla News Index Database

Earliest Maya Writings Found

Geraldine Janis 1928-2005, Lakota Defender of Tribal Rights

Chiapas / Mayan Indians

March 25: 7th Annual Southern California Indian storytelling Festival

Health disparities among Native Americans

The William Duncan Strong Southern California Photograph Collection



SEPHARDIC

Crypto-Jews Among Hispanic Americans:  Consuelo Luz Arostegui

Semitism and Anti Semitism in Arizona and Sonora:

           An Ethnobiography of Experience and Insight

Universalism in Jewish Thought





TEXAS

TCARA in George Washington Parade in Laredo, Texas

National Hispanic Sports Hall of Fame

Royal Realities

March 3-5: Canary Islanders Symposium

March 29:  Writing Historical Fiction

Book: My Grandfather's Grandfather by Tomás Rodríguez Benavides

Thirty-Five Years of Struggle and Triumph: Mexican Americans in Tejas

Book: The Continuous Presence of Italians and Spaniards in Texas

             as Early as 1520, Chapter 3 by Alex Loya



EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI

Louisiana State Museum Grand Opening in Downtown Baton Rouge!

"They Came in Ships..."

Louisiana Infantry 1779-1781 (Spain)

Yahoo group: Canary Islanders of Louisiana.



EAST COAST

Alien Arrivals at El Paso

Mall Site Is Chosen for Black History Museum



MEXICO

My trip to Juanchorrey by Helen Mejia Z.-Savala

S: Otra vista del viaje a Juanchorrey

S: Personajes de la historia, Obispos de Zacatecas

S: Homenaje; A Jose Leon Robles de la Torre

S: March 27-29 IV Seminario:

             Reforma, Intervención francesa y Segundo Imperio

Mexico City Aerial view

The African Presence in México From Yanga to the Present, go to Black



CARIBBEAN/CUBA

Black Hispanics, Lane College, Tennessee Conference

Diario de la Marina: The Jaruco Articles

The Birth of a Puerto Rican



SPAIN

Book: Basque Diaspora

Book: La Identidad Vasca en el Mundo:



INTERNATIONAL

Arde el obispado

Libros

News From My Uncle in El Salvador

Esteban Gomes

Simon de Alcazaba y Sotomayor



FAMILY HISTORY

Most Europeans descended from hunters

The Official Federal Land Patent Records Site

Example of Ancestry.com resources

Free genealogy databases

S: Buscadores Especializados y Metabuscadores, (Internet resources)



ARCHAEOLOGY

Tribute to Tezcatlipoca

Excerpt: Inca Show Pits Yale Against Peru



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NARA Border Crossing Records

Last September, at the Hispanic Genealogy Conference held @NARA,
Washington, DC, one of the presentations had to do with "Mexican
Border Crossing (Immigration) Records. The presentation was given by
Claire Prechtel-Kluskens, and most of the details of her presentation
can be found at the following NARA site:
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html
It is very detailed, and should be read with care.
Some of the basics are as follows:
- records of arrivals at Mexican borders began in 1906;
- information on immigrants was initially recorded as for ship
manifests, but this proved impractical, and a system of "card
manifests" was initiated;
- if a person indicated they would be in the U.S. for less than 6
months, no record was made;
- some records are arranged alphabetically, while others are arranged
chronologically (possibly with an alphabetical index);
- to date, immigration records are available for 24 land border ports
(these are listed in the NARA site mentioned above).

My recollection is that the filming of the border crossing records is
NOT yet complete, and the majority of the El Paso records are yet to
be filmed (I think because it has the greatest number of records; the
other ports had fewer immigrants/records so they were filmed first).
To sum up, NARA is still filming Mexican border crossing records, and
may not be finished for another year or two (that was my
understanding).
I hope this is helpful to you.

Natalie Castro Coleman,
researching Castro, Garcia, Dueñas, and others in Zacatecas

Joseph - did you record this presentation?

PS - I have not yet signed into the Nuestro Ranchos site.

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SoCal Meeting

I just want to express my view and comment about our recent meeting that we had in Southern California.

First of all, I offer my thanks and appreciation to Olivia Jaurequi and her husband for being such wonderful hosts. I can imagine all the hard work and preparation that it took to take care of the group. The food was delicious and plentiful. My only regret is that I started with the Mole, beans, rice, salad,and the tasty Carne Asada and by that time, I had no room for the Menudo and pan dulce! Maybe next time I'll start with the Menudo.

I got to meet my two primos, Ken Alva and Ronnie Reynoso, a couple of very nice and wonderful guys. I had previously shared information with Ken over the internet and knew that we were related. That was not the case with Ronnie until we started sharing and comparing files, we are "primos" ! What a nice surprise.
One other thing that I found out from my "new Primos" was that all three of us have a descendency line from MOCTEZUMA!
All of this just 2 days after my 65th birthday. I couldn't have asked for a better gift.

I also like to send my thanks to Rosalinda for teaching me how to improve my research skills ( I am still learning) using the IGI. She is such a knowledgeable and unselfish person, willing to share her wisdom and resources with the rest of the group.
I would recommend this type of informal meeting to the rest of the members in other parts of the country. A lot can be learned and accomplished when you are face to face with fellow members. Thanks to the other attendees for making the meeting a wonderful experience.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

Digest Number 760

Message from Sandra Medina mony7979@...

Hi,   Thank you for the info, I have already saw this infor, but like you noticed, the name of the woman is different, thats why i didn't pay much attention on it.   You say that that is not uncommon?, can you explain me a little bit? I've just started to search my genealogy and there are a lot of things that i haven' understand at all!   Thank you § have a great day!!   Monica

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Topics in this digest:

1. [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa
From: arturoramos
2. Re: New to the group
From: Peggy Delgado



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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:17:37 -0800 (PST)
From: arturoramos
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa


Monica:

There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are looking for. The mother's surname does not match, but that is not as uncommon as you may think.

JUAN DE LA ROSA
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: NARCISA ACOSTA Family
Marriage: 28 OCT 1872 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M600825 1866 - 1875 0439842 Film

ESTANISLAO ROZAS CALDERON
Male
Christening: 23 NOV 1874 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas,
Mexico
Parents:
Father: JUAN ROZAS Family
Mother: NARCISA CALDERON
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C600824 1872 - 1875 0439823 Film

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Message from Mónica mony7979@...

Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas, this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is true?

Thank you,
Monica

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:29:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Peggy Delgado
Subject: Re: New to the group

Hi Monica!! Welcome to the group!

Peggy Delgado

Mónica wrote:

Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas,
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that
Ontiveros surname comes
from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is
true?

Thank you,
Monica





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Ranchos Southern California Meeting

To whoever wants to see pictures of our meeting, please email your
email your address to me so I can send you an "invitation" to view
them. You can email me at:
scooterpie1968@charter.net
or
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Nuestros Ranchos===>2 part instructions

Arturo has created a page of instructions. They are pretty easy to
follow and in two parts. The first part below the URL given for the
instructions on the website itself tells how to get your password. .
.key point here is NOT to create a NEW Account. Read through the
instructions. THEN---THEN---THEN after you get your password and log in
if you want to start sending messages to one of the forums you need to
follow the instructions called: "Instructions for signing up
for the mailing lists is as follows"
  Here you will see
detailed instructions (very straightforword, but they do require you to
read and follow them) on how to subscribe yourself to the individual
email forums. Basically you subscribe to which ever of the 3 email
forums you want to be part of then you'll get a CONFIRMATION
email that you need to reply to. . .that's it.



Yes this is different than Yahoo but in time you will see that it is
better.



PLEASE READ below. . .very straight forword.



thanks,



joseph



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Meeting in Southern California

It was so nice to meet with those of you who were able to attend the
luncheon meeting in southern California today. The food was delicious!
Thanks to all of you who pulled this together.

I was talking to Rosalinda about the possibility of someone compiling a book
list of relevant resources.

Any discussion on how to get access to out-of-print books?

~Deena Ortiz~

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Links

Joseph and Arturo:

Congratulations on the new website! It looks like this is the
site we all have been waiting for some time.

My personal concern is that I can't find the "Links" anymore! What
happened to them?

I personally feel that the "Links" component of the site is one, if
not, the most important of the features. It opens the door to other
very important resources to our research efforts in our quest for
education and our history. I am sure the "Nuestros Ranchos" members
will be very happy to see it as part of the new website. Please don't
leave it out.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Howard E. Duff

To Jose Luis Macias,
 
The person you are seeking could be this one listed in the SSDI:
 
      H. Duff
        SSN: 
449-03-0559
        Last Residence:  78733
Austin, Travis, Texas
        Born:  23 August
1903
        Died:  Jul 1984
        State (Year) SSN
Issued:  Texas (Before 1951)
 
I think your best bet is to try and get the death certificate
from: 
 
       Bureau of Vital Statistics
        Texas Department of
Health
        1100 West 49th Street
        Austin, TX 78756-3191
        Telephone: 
512-458-7111
 
You could also try the County Courthouse in Travis County, and the Austin
Public Library for a death record or a death notice for July 1984.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
                                                        

Alicia was right: Pretensa

I haven't studied the word to get its exact meaning but I've understood
it to be the woman involved in the marriage with pretenso referring to
the man. probably more there about that.

joseph. . .George Ryskamps book might go more into it "Finding Your
Hispanic Roots."

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Dialog of Dead Cast

Great Fantastic wonderful.



Lourdes is Maria

Marge is the Narrator

Alicia is Immigrant

Joseph is Above-it-All





there are still a few parts left. . .any other brave souls out there?



http://www.historynothype.com/deaddialog.htm



Available parts: Chicano,  Latino,  Heckler, Policeman, Immigration Officer
(female), Army Soldier, Sheriff, FBI Agent. Two male stage hands. [all
remaining parts are male unless noted].



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Narrator (female)
[Taken],  María (female) [Taken],  Immigrant (female) [Taken], Above-It-All [Taken]





Posting To New Group

there are 3 message forums at the new site. It was set up like that so
people could choose which messages they wanted to receive.

the catagories are:

research
general
announcements

to post messages to these forums you need to "subscribe" to them. In
doing that a message is generated and sent to you asking that you
confirm your wish to join that forum. when you reply to that message you
are in the forum and can post and receive messages. If you fail to reply
to that message or subscribe in the first place you can't use the forum.

thanks,

joseph

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It Works!!

Arturo! It worked! It worked! I posted three messages and they seem to have posted and I got notified by email!!

Ok, now I'll move on to the GEDCOM, FILES and ALBUMS....I already have pictures uploaded and some files of the family trees.....

Thanks again for all your hard work!

Peggy Delgado