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5. Re: "padres no conocidos" (Pat Corbera)

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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:29:53 +0000 (UTC)
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "padres no conocidos"
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Victoriano,

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Do you know if?married couples were given a duplicate copy of their marriage?record?

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Then when baptizing their children was it required to show proof of their marriage, in order for the child to be registered as "hijo legitima" ?

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Pat Silva Corbera

Tracy CA

Hello Pat,

It was nice meeting you at the last Nueva Galicia meeting in January. I'm not sure about the parents showing proof of their marriage at the time of their offspring's baptisms. It may be possible that in small towns such as the ones my parents grew up in, it was common knowledge. I recall my father telling me that the gentleman (his father's cousin) who recorded Church records knew everybody's business. He could easily recite individuals family history. I imagine he and his predecessors' were the same. I also remember my parents telling me that the child had to be baptized where ever they lived. Exceptions were made if the godparents lived somewhere else.
I have seen that priests or employees of the Church would go back and look for Baptism records to ensure that the betrothed had been Baptized before entering into a Catholic marriage. In these same baptism records, I have seen notations of their marriage date, place and spouse (ALSO if it was a 2nd or 3rd marriage).
I highly doubt in olden times that they would have been given copies of their marriage records. I was confirmed in Mexico at the ripe age of 16, and was never given a copy of my Confirmation, and that wasn't in olden times. :) I do recall that family members would often go to the Church to get copies of marriages, baptisms for matters of immigration, etc., so they weren't given copies at the time of the sacrament.

Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
Northern California

Website for online archives (Catholic Church Parroquia de San Diego) for Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…

Website for online archives (Civil Registros) of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…

Hello Everyone! I have a couple of questions. First, is it possible for babies not to be baptised? I'm looking everywhere for my 4x & 5x grandfathers, with approxmiate dates of 1787 and 1807. Up to that point, all births in my family are in the Aquascalientes area. I've searched all the records in Aquas., and I'm well into the Zacateca records. Their names are found on marriage records but that's all I've been able to find. Secondly, when the church records "no conocidos" are written, I am assuming the baby is illegitimate and godparents will raise the child, or is he/she given to an orphanage? Thanks in advance. I've learned a lot from this website. Carol

Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1795 FHL Source Film 168037
Nuevo archivo: 1795 rollo OAH 2386 pt2

Hello atodos, I was wondering if you could give a thought/opinion as what am thinking . I am trying to connect
A) Juan Escoto Tovar married to Maria Morales and (B)Juan Escoto Tovar married to Maria Ramirez or Arias de Valdez .I beleve (A) Juan Escoto Tovar is the father of (B) Juan Escoto Tovar.

(B) Juan Escoto Tovar and Maria Ramirez Or Arias de Valdez's
CHILDREN-and their PADRINOS
1) Fabiela Escoto born 20 of Nov.1713 San Juan de los Lagos-Image 53-PADRINOS-YGNACIO ESCOTO AND BEATRIS MORALES.
2) Felipe Escoto born 24 of june 1715 San Juan de Los Lagos-Image 73-PADRINO-JOSEPH ESCOTO.
3)Joachin Alberto Escoto born 22 of december 1723 SanJuan de Los Lagos-Image -238-PADRINO-NICOLAS MACIAS VALDEZ.
4)Juan Bautista Escoto born 18 of July 1726 San Juan de Los Lagos-Image- 302-MADRINA BEATRIS MORALES.
5)Manuel Escoto born 11 of January 1728 San Juan de Los Lagos-Image- 340-PADRINO-FELIPE ARIAS.
6)Alejandro Escoto born 31 of March 1730 San Juan de Los Lagos-image- 425-PADRINOS-JUANA RAMIREZ AND XRISTOBAL ARIAS BALDEZ.
7) Andres Escoto born 22 of December 1716 San Juan de Los Lagos-Image- 105-PADRINO-JOSEPH ESCOTO
PARENTS -NOTED FOR ANDRES WAS MARIA ARIAS AND JUAN ESCOTO
EVERYBODY BODY ELSE WAS MARIA RAMIREZ AND JUAN ESCOTO.

1) THE PADRINOS -YGNACIO ESCOTO MARRIED TO BEATRIS MORALES HAD A BROTHER NAMED JUAN ESCOTO TOVAR IN ADDITION HE IS MARRIED TO MARIA MORALES WHOM I BELIEVE IS BEATRIS MORALES SISTER OR COUSIN.
Based on the last names of some of the padrinos and Madrinas I beleve that A) Juan Escoto Tovar is the father of B) Juan Escoto Tovar married to Maria Ramiez.
2) If this true then the 2 Juan Escotos descend from Antonio Escoto Tovar and Inez Ortiz de Rodas.
3) Maria Morales ( wife of B) Juan Escoto)is the daughter of Jose or Cristobal Cervantes and Ysabel Sanchez Carranza-Granddaughter of Diego Sanchez Carranza and Ana Munoz.
I thank you for your thoughts

I am trying to find information about the names of ships/galleons that sailed from Europe and landed on the shores of Mexico during the colonial era. Does anyone know of any registry or archives that contain the names of ships with passenger lists?

I want to try to locate the name of the ship that contained the very first ancestor that came to Mexico during the colonial era.

I would assume that the Port of Veracruz, is where the ships landed and from there people traveled inside Mexico to their destination and Zacatecas.

Can anyone help find this two individual marriage image here is the link of when they got married or if you can just give me the directions on how to do it.Im just to used to looking at one place and that is the Nochistlan records.??

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JH5M-NVJ

The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society, which focuses on genealogical interests from the Nueva Galicia area of colonial Mexico, is pleased to announce the 3rd annual Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference, which will be held in Sacramento, California (Northern California) at the California State Archive, 1020 " O " Street on May 12, 2012. The conference will feature speakers such as Claudilla Casillas. Claudia will do a presentation on the Dispensas of Guadalajara. Also speaking is Marian Kile, Sacramento Family History Center. Others will be presenting as well.

If you are interested in attending the conference, please contact Anna Arellano Smith at ;or Robert Hernandez at tehuima2@yahoo.com to report the possible number of people attending by April 12, 2012 (there is limited seating). Early pre-registration will open immediately. Registration opens March 12, 2012. Currently our website is under construction.

The only part i need help reading is Maria De La Encarnacio Losano grandparents?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15089-4437-10?cc=1410092&wc=…

Hello Everyone,

I am trying to locate a marriage record from my Great( 3x) grandparents- Felicitas Magallanes and Cirilo (Sirilo) Alvarez married June 8, 1881 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac.

As I am new to this, I have looked in the Catholic Church record with no luck. Here is the IGI listing:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZXY-XPK

Should I be looking in the civil records or Catholic Church records? Also it lists the date of June 8, 1881 but in the church records there are several dates listed with each matrimonial recording. Any guidance on what to look for would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pauline

I was looking through Macario De Aguayo's and Monica Durans marriage record, and i couldn't find Macarios parents i only found Monicas parents.So it mentioned that Macario had a wife before her, her name was Theresa De Luna.I looked up her name on familysearch.org and find the marriage record of Macario and Theresa but im not sure if thats really them becuase it says that they were married in SanLuis,Colotlan,Jalisco,Mexico.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZV7-DTY

Can anyone help find out if this is Thee same Macario Aguayo that married Monica Duran.Here is the ling for Macario and Monica Duran marriage.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-42794-49?cc=1410092&wc…

Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1790-1797 FHL Source Film 168389
Nuevo archivo: 1790-1797 rollo OAH 2668

Hello to everybody,

I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very glad that I found what
seems like a nice and serious research group. I'm helping an uncle of mine
with the Ceballos genealogy. So far we've made it until Pedro José Ceballos
de Barreda, who was born in Teutitlán, obispado de Puebla (now Teotitlán
del Camino, Oaxaca), and who died around 1820 in Zapotlán El Grande, after
living in Tecalitlán, where his children were born. He was married to María
Teresa Fernández de Palos y Castañeda, who was born in Tabasco (I suspect
this is Tabasco, Zacatecas). She was the daughter of José Fernández de
Palos y Anna Castañeda. The fourth child of the couple, my direct line, was
born in 1795. This all we know, and we'd like to know the date (this must
be ca. 1785-1790) and place where they got married, and where were Anna's
fathers from. I know Fernández de Palos is a surname with a long history in
the region, so hopefully someone could helps us. Many thanks in advance,

Carlos Salgado Ceballos (Colima, México)

Ps. I did find in FamilySearch the record of the baptisms of María Josefa
del Carmen Fernández Castañeda (1747) and José Ignacio Fernando Fernández
Castañeda (1749), both children of Joseph Manuel Fernández de Palos and
Anna Josepha Castañeda. Are these María Teresa's parents and oldest
siblings?

In the 20 Feb 1713, Asientos marriage of Marcos de Villalpando to Micaela Diaz de Leon, it states that he is from the "Villa de Leon." No parents are named, and few matrimonial investigations exist this early for Asientos; they were not found in those documents.

It is known that Tomas de Villalpando of Aguascalientes was originally from Leon, and that he had a brother named Marcos. Tomas married twice, and all his known children were born in either Aguascalientes or Asientos; he had no known son named Marcos.

A Marcos de Villalpando was the godfather, in 1706, for one of the children of Tomas de Villalpando (named Alexo de Villalpando in the record) and Maria Sotelo. This implies, but certainly does not prove, a familial relationship.

Marcos de Villalpando, brother of Tomas, married Maria Lopez on 16 May 1680, in Leon, but apparently left no descendants there, and apparently none in Aguascalientes.

Are these two Marcos's the same person? If so, he would be more than 60 years old when he married Micaela Diaz de Leon; not an impossible situation. Or, is Marcos who married in 1713 a son of the first Marcos?

At this time there is also the family of Diego de Villalpando and Ysabel Lozano de Gardea in Aguascalientes. I have not found a Marcos de Villalpando in this family, nor can I connect him (Diego) with Tomas.

I would appreciate the thoughts of the NR community on this family.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I am looking for the marriage date of Felipe Santiago Maldonado and Margarita Chaves in Poncitlán. The first of their 13 known children was born in San José de las Ornelas 17 October 1829.

As an aside, the direct-line ancestor I am looking for is María Leonór Maldonado, born about 1837; she is the only child of the 13 whose baptismal record I have not been able to locate.

Best wishes,
Lawrence Bouett
Lafayette, California

I have been helping a friend with her Jalisco genealogy for about seven months, making use of the fabulous image collection of Registros Parroquiales that is online at FamilySearch.org, as well as the invaluable Dispensas that are online at GuadalajaraDispensas.com; however, there is the occasional frustration, and this is one: the IGI lists a Dionisio Maldonado, baptised 18 February 1868 in Poncitlán, FHL Film 224655.

Dates are rather mixed and chaotic on this film; but I have searched between images 125 and 150 and have not been able to locate this baptism. This situation has happened before, and it is highly frustrating.

Does anyone have Dionisio Maldonado in his or her database? Has anyone located this image online?

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Lawrence Bouett
Lafayette, California

I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!

I need help in translating the name of Jose Braulio's paternal grandmother's last name...
A.P. Miguel Leanos y Maria Soledad _______ .

  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18452-22674-12?cc=1874591&wc…
Doc # 939

I have his parents as Francisco Leanos y Trinidad Corbera - A.M. as Vicente Corbera y Benita Marquez.
 
Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

I was wondering why Mexican people don't have a race only ethnicity?

Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1798 FHL Source Film 168104
Nuevo archivo: 1798 rollo OAH 2423 pt.4

It seems like I have hit a roadblock in my research and would really appreciate help or a pointing to the right direction. I feel like I've exhausted every possibility on Familysearch. My first Lomeli is my direct paternal line.I cant seem to find anybody beyond Jose Rafael Lomeli (married to Maria Olaya Manriquez, late 1700's i would presume) father and mother to Jose Maria Lomeli born 1805(married to Maria Vidala Jauregui 1808).
My second Lomeli line comes from Maria Vidala Jauregui's mother Maria Paula Lomeli.Her father is Juan Angel Lomeli (1762)and his father was Gaspar de Lomeli(married to Marsela Casimira Marin).These lines are from Mexticacan Jalisco...possibly Nochistlan.It seems like many of my other family lines im tracing seem to blur or totally disappear in the mid or late 1700's.Im not an expert so any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you, Alejandro Lomeli El Paso, Tx

Does Anybody Knows some information about this couple. When they got married, what's the name of their parents, I know they had some children bautised in calvillo. from 1774 to 1780. Im looking for everything about them.I've got already all the information about thier children, but nothing else. sorry for my bad English. Thanks for your help.

I have added new material to my folder. You can see at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/laura107

Hello Everyone,

I am very new to this group. Help Please!

I think I may have located my grandfather's christening at the Family Search >Mexico>Zacatecas>Momax (Bautizo). I found his name at the front of the book and it stated Delfino Alvarez Pag. 10. I went in to page 10, I searched under his birthdate too and could not find it.
How do I locate the record as stated in the index?
Here is the link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-2660-73?cc=1410092&wc=…

Any advice greatly appreciated. I am so excited. :)

Thanks,
Pauline