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Melchor Reynoso is probably in the old microfisches of the LDS church, if you can find a Family History Center which still has them.  They are the Catholic parish records, filmed and extracted in the 1950's.  Some of the original parish records are now filmed and online at Wikki.  I'm not sure of the link....

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  1. Re: (no subject) (drfelix44@gmail.com)
  2. Re: Melchor Reynoso?need proof o f parentage (b. ca. 1695)
      and marriage (ca. 1724) (Armando)
  3. Santana and Gomes-Garcia,  descendents (gloriad@jps.net)
  4. Re: Pirateria en datos genealogicos. (Joseph Puentes)
  5. MEJOR PROGRAMA PARA GUARDAR LOS DATOS
      (victor_manuel_gp@yahoo.com.mx)
  6. Legacy (enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com)
  7. Numbers on Holcomb FG Sheets (gpf13@aol.com)
  8. Re: Numbers on Holcomb FG Sheets (Armando)
  9. education in Mexico (longsjourney@yahoo.com)
  10. Re: education in Mexico (rubenhernandez57@comcast.net)
  11. Re: education in Mexico (Alicia Carrillo)
  12. Mistakes of Marriage Records in Signatures
      (enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com)

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FELIX MUNOZ GUERRERO
Pues mi bisabuelo nacio en el salitre cerca de Tlachichila y lo bautizaron en Nochistlan, era Jose Felix Macias Hernandez ( Macias Hernandez)

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:29:03 -0600
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Melchor Reynoso?need proof o f
    parentage (b. ca. 1695) and marriage (ca. 1724)
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Based on the information Esther provided I figured she got that from the
old familysearch site which still has data submitted by the researcher
Jaime Holcombe Isunza. I searched it and found two records
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=…®ion=10®ionfriendly=Mexico&frompage=99and
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=…®ion=10®ionfriendly=Mexico&frompage=99
Those records were likely submitted by Jaime Holcombe. If you order copies
of the sheets submitted you should see annotations of the source of
information that will include the name of the records such as Bautismo,
Matrimonio, Informaci?n Matrimonial, or Dispensa, the record numbers which
I still haven't figured out, and the year of the record. That way you can
try and hunt down everything Jaime Holcombe had when he submitted the
sheets. You can order copies of the records through mail or go online to
have the microfilm sent to your local family history center.

If anyone can tell me what those numbers in parentheses mean I would
appreciate it. Here is an example for a sheet Jaime submitted for the
family of Tomas Villalobos and Catarina Macias Valadez -

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Jalisco: Dispensas Matrimoniales (6118) 1749;
(6123) 1734; (6135) 1756;  (6155) 1693; (6485) 1709; ........
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes: Bautismos (17,062) 1635; 1637;  1641;
1643......Informacion Matrimonial (17,172) 1702..
Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco:  Matrimonios (3670) 1656...........

Armando

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Esther Jordan wrote:

Melchor Reynoso (b. ca. 1695) is the earliest documented Reynoso in the line I am researching in Jalostotitlán. I know it is widely assumed that he is the son of Sebastián Reynoso y Renteria and María Francisca Ramires de Hermosillo, who are documented many times over through the baptisms ((Mariana, Manuel, Francisco, and Juan Toribio) and marriages (Mariana, Miguel Geronimo, and Juan Toribio) of several of their children.

Melchor Reynoso married María de San Juan Gonsales Rubio ca. 1724. I have searched, frame-by-frame, the marriages from Jalostotitlán (FHL Film 279295) between 1720 and 1725, but have been unable to locate the marriage. The marriage is proved by statements in the subsequent marriage records of several of their children (Vicente Ceferino, Joseph Antonio, María Manuela, and Anna Francisca), but I have been unable to locate the 1724 marriage of Melchor.

If anyone has proof of either the marriage of Melchor Reynoso and María de San Juan Gonsales Rubio or the birth of Melchor (which should provide the names of his parents), I should be most grateful.

I have been deeply involved in the online Jalisco records at FamilySearch.org for about seven months and have made spectacular progress on many lines. I hope eventually to be able to provide assistance to others whose lines may cross the ones I am researching; but, in the meantime, I am deeply impressed by the level of research and documentation that is being done by members of this forum (to which, I am new).

Thank you, and good hunting,
Lawrence Bouett

Hace días leí en un mensaje del señor Guillermo Tovar de Teresa que se detenía en publicar algunos datos genealógicos en nuestro foro porque existen varias personas que se "piratean" los datos obtenidos por los demás con mucho trabajo y esfuerzo. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con el señor Tovar porque a mi me pasó en una ocasión, la verdad es que yo no tengo mucho tiempo para dedicar a mi hobbie que es la genealogía y por tanto a lo mejor no aporto muchos datos de interés para el grupo, pero recuerdo una ocasión haber dado a conocer los datos de que el genearca de los Vázquez de Lara y Vázquez Zermeño de los Altos de Jalisco se hacía llamar Juan Vázquez de Perea y hasta les di la fuente de mi hallazgo y me ha tocado ver en algunas páginas y genealogías de algunos que ya tienen ese dato que yo di y además tienen hasta mi genealogía en sus páginas y no me dan el reconocimiento debido ni a mi, ni mucho menos citan la fuente de donde se tomó el dato. Creo que si es un poco desanimador el ver estos casos para poder ayudarnos unos a otros. Debemos dar el mérito a quien se merece darle el reconocimiento.

Debemos "educarnos" para así poder aportar los datos que creemos puedan servir a los demás, pero eso si, recibiendo el mérito debido. Espero no caer mal con este mensaje, pero estoy en total acuerdo con el señor Tovar. Apoyémonos unos a otros, dando a cada quien lo que se merece.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

Dear Group,
I'd like to ask your experienced guidance in the research of my Arrambide branch that has apparently hit a brick wall. 
Martin Arrambide died 11/16/1762 in Salinas Victoria, NL and his burial entry states he was Europeo.  In my experience with family members that were born in Spain, the entries state he was from los Reinos de Espana/Castilla, or something to that effect.  This led me to research the surname Arrambide a bit.  It's probably Basque and possibly from France.
In Israel Cavazos Garza's, Breve historia de Nuevo Leon, he is briefly mentioned as such:  Ya en 1741, el obispo de Guadalajara, don Juan Gomez de Parada, establecio una escuela formal y nombro como maestro a Martin de Arrambide, encargandole mucho la buena educacion de los ninos. 
Does anyone know where to research this type of order or mandate made by the bishop of Guadalajara of that time?  Would this be found in some place other than Diocesis de Guadalajara?  Discovering this would probably yield more information on Martin's origins and possibly his age, either of which would be a great place from which to continue. 
Thank you so much for all your help.     Alice Blake   

I've put links in the links area of the group from the links area of the
old Yahoo Ranchos group. Please have a look and send me new links to
include in this area. I especially need links for Aguascalientes.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13934

Geografic and Locality Information

# Pueblos de Jalisco
# Pueblos de Zacatecas
# Pueblos de Aguascalientes
# Haciendas de Aguascalientes

# Obispados y Diocesis

#

>
>
> hola,
Navegando por los registros de matrimonios de Tecolotlan, Jalisco. encontré
un indice, donde veo muchos nombres conocidos, espero les sirva

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-10600-67?cc=1874591&wc…

Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1801-1822 FHL Source Film 168663
Nuevo archivo: 1801-1822 rollo OAH 3180

Happy New Year to all Nuestros Ranchos Researchers.
I am excited that I will be traveling to Mexico in March
and was hoping to do some research on the family of
Dr. Jesus Sanchez Guerrero, born in Guadalajara in 1874 and his son,
Dr. Francisco Sanchez Flores, who was born in Tlajomulco in 1910.

Unfortunately, my traveling companion now thinks it would
be too dangerous for two women to go to Tlajomulco alone, so I hope
NR members can let me know if this would be unsafe for us to do. Here
in the US we hear much about the drug cartel violence but I haven't
heard of problems in this particular area. If we stay in Guadalajara,
can anyone suggest which resources would be best to seek out in my
limited time of 5 days in Guadalajara. Also, Can you tell me what the
best way would be to travel from Guadalajara and how long it would take
to get to Tlajomulco?

I would appreciate any advice and/or guidance you can give me.

When things get hectic, I tend to let several days worth of postings go unread until I make the time to go back and read them. Consequently, I always seem to find many entries of great interest. I must admit, however, that I often only skim the postings that are in Spanish because of my impatience with my facility in the language.
I have been following some of the comments of new researchers, and I have a question for the new researchers:
Quick - HOW MANY great-great grandparents do you have? No counting on fingers. This is a number you should know in order to see the whole picture of your family. Understanding this number helps you plan how to proceed in your research.
I have yet to find all the great grand-parents of my father, Jose de Jesus Garcia/Castro (Garcia was surname at Baptism; Castro was surname at death. Surname changed at time of immigration to U.S.), who by the way, would have celebrated his 100th birthday on Jan 13.
Back to my stall in research - sometimes life gets in the way.
I am grateful for all the stalwart researchers who continue the hunt; your postings are inspiring, and I hope to be able to resume researching sometime this year.

One line I am researching is the DUENAS (tilde over the N) family, who lived in the Valparaiso district of Zacatecas (Hacienda del Astillero [1912], Hcda San Mateo [1887], Hcda San Miguel [1889] ), and also in Sombrete (marriage doc dated 1853).
Research records are in the "Files" section of NR. Does anyone else have a DUENAS connection?

Blessings to all in this new year.

Natalie Castro Coleman,
in Virginia

Claudia, creo que tu comentario, abarca el verdadero proposito de N.R. Sin egoismos, y sin echarle mil candados a nuestra informacion ya investigada.
Con mucho respeto para el grupo en general.

--- On Wed, 1/18/12, claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:

> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Piracy?
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 6:11 PM
> We are living in the information age.
> All of us researchers must face the fact that any
> information we uncover does not belong to us (the
> researcher). While we may currently have documents or
> information no one else has--that same information will soon
> be made available to the masses one way or another. I
> wholeheartedly agree that we should give credit where credit
> is due; if someone took the time and effort to uncover
> something that has helped your search--THANK AND ACKNOWLEDGE
> THEM. But I also think that the "hoarding" mentality is
> counterproductive to our research and legacy.
>
> Think about how many "ahas" happen here when someone shares
> a bit of the puzzle...and then someone else shares their own
> little bit of the puzzle...then (and we've seen this), a
> whole landscape has been painted by our collective
> work.  We should face it, we don't own anything
> individually--we own it collectively because it is our
> heritage. Not "mine," but "ours."
> How high would your documented family tree look right now
> if the LDS hoarded the microfilms? Yes, they charged in the
> past to cover operating costs (I suppose), but now they are
> FREE to all of us. How would you feel if they shut down
> FamilySearch and decide only "certain people" can have
> access?  Let's work together for the greater good and
> leave a real and lasting legacy for generations to come.
>
> My two cents.
>
>
> Saludos,
> Claudia
> www.guadalajaradispensas.com
> www.sagradamitra.com

Los molesto con la liga de el estado de Aguascalientes.

Thank you so much to: Linda, Mickey, Angelina, Alicia, Raquel
& Veronica for your advice and recommendations for hotels
in the Guadalajara area. I am especially grateful to
Veronica who lives near Tlajomulco and volunteered guidance
in my search.
Dr. Francisco Sanchez Flores, born in Tlajomulco in 1910, was
known as "Pancho Panelas" in the mariachi & folkloric dance world.
He was also a noted painter of indigenous art and I believe has artwork
in exhibition in the Regional Museum in Guadalajara. I would love to
visit a cultural center named after him in Tlajomulco, as well as a
school. Maybe Veronica could find their locations for me as it would
be very exciting to see them. As mentioned, just walking the same
streets as did our ancestors is a very spiritual, special feeling, which
I experienced when I went to El Paso in search of my cousin. With the
help of this wonderful group, my trip should be very productive.
Thanks to you all - Nancy

Estimado Guillermo y Enrique

Hace días encontré que Diego de Acevedo Carvajal y Ulloa marido de Micaela de Cobián fue bautizado 1 de febrero de 1667 en Agnamacutiro de la Unión, Michoacán. Luego casó el 28 de mayo de 1711 con Micaela de Cobián y Villaseñor (Rincón). Su hermano, Joseph Miguel de Acevedo Carvajal y Ulloa casó Rosa de Villaseñor y Cervantes el 11 de septiembre de 1707 en Tamazula. Era hija de Juan Urbano de Villaseñor y Cervantes y Josefa Candelas y Cervantes. Esta Josefa fue bautizada en Agnamacutiro de la Unión el 6 de mayo de 1663 hija de Juan Candelas y Tomasina de Cervantes.

No tendrán idea el origen de los Acevedo Carvajal? El Diego quien casó a Francisca de Villaseñor era de la ciudad de México hijo de Diego de Acevedo Carvajal y María de Tovar y Ulloa. Estos bautizaron a otro hijo en Asunción, Ciudad de México, Luis de Acevedo Carvajal y Ulloa el 20 de septiembre de 1630. Este último Diego debería nacer ca. 1600 y tuvo un hermano llamado Luis de Acevedo Carvajal quien casó a María de Ledesma. Diego y Luis son nombre repetidos en las dos generaciones. No tengo la menor idea quien son sus padres, probable un Acevedo y una Carvajal.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Alguien sabe el origen de esta Josefa Ruíz de Esparza quien casó a Domingo Ruíz de la Fuente? Ella falleció el 22 de junio de 1668 en Aguascalientes. Calculé más o menos y sería una nieta de Lope Ruíz de Esparza o hija que no hemos comprobado?

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Aver si alguien que ha investigado por ahí me puede ayudar en esta búsqueda. Hace días entronqué con estos López de Castro. Tienen ramas en Aguascalientes, Ciénega de Mata, Teocaltiche y Guadalajara. Busco datos adicionales sobre unas de mis líneas en Guadalajara. Resulta que mis noveno bisabuelos, Bartolomé López de Castro y Luisa Jácome de Tovar casaron el 23 de agosto de 1703 en Guadalajara. Este era hijo de Bartolomé López de Castro y Francisca Maldonado de Saavedra. Luisa era hija de Pedro Jácome de Tovar y Regina Ladrón de Guevara y López Portillo. La única pista de suerte es que el párroco menciona los apellidos maternos en la partida matrimonial.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Hello Nuestros Rancheros,

I thought I would pass along a link to a website that some of you may be interested in for ordering handmade folklorico dolls. http://misreinas.com

Best regards,
Monica

Does anyone know if the Mexico, Catholic Church records on Familysearch is down?  I was on it earlier, but now can't seem to get back on neither on Explorer or Firefox. 
Thanks so much,  Alice

Hola a todos:

Les quisiera pedir ayuda acerca de uno de mis antepasados de San Luis Potosí, sé que no es el área de estudio de este foro, pero espero alguien pueda de casualidad tener un dato o idea por ahí.

Hace días descubrí que uno de mis antepasados se llamaba Francisco de la Torre y Castilla, estaba casado con María de Castro, ellos tuvieron dos o hijos más de los cuales, Luis de la Torre y Castilla estuvo casado con María de San Juan de Rocha y otro Ignacio de la Torre y Castilla casado con Antonia Del Castillo y Quesada, el 15 de Febrero de 1706 en Armadillo de los Infante, SLP. en esta acta dice que su madre María de Castro reside en la Ciudad de San Luis Potosí y su padre ya estaba difunto.

¿Alguno de ustedes sabe de donde podría venir el apellido Castilla? Era un apellido de mucha importancia en aquellos tiempos, espero alguno pueda resolverme la duda.

Gracias de antemano,
Enrique Agraz

It sounds like he was the one who registered her as his daughter and gave him her last name. This often ocurrs when two people live together, though not marry still recognizes his natural child. Most times when this would not occur, it would list the mother and padre desconocido. I recently learned that another reason for marriages when mentioned was "de padres no conocidos" was because the person refused to identify their parents so they would not have to go through the dispensastion process, etc especially when consanguinity was obvious.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

New Year's greetings to all. I would like to ask for a clarification of the marriage reord: Aguascalientes Church Records, Sagrario, Matrimonios 1817-1819, image 132, for Olayo Medrano and Dolores Gascon. Thanks in advance! Raymond Medrano, Houston

I subscribe to a newsletter from Replacements.com, and recently they had an article about antique chocolate pots, and it included the history of chocolate. I was intrigued by a recipe they included:

"the original cocoa beverage comes from the Mayans and Aztecs, and was often a mixture of ground cocoa beans, water, wine, and peppers. It did not take long for the Spaniards to begin heating this blend and sweetening it with sugar to suit their tastes".

"the first published recipe for a chocolate drink was published in Spain---"A Curious Treatise of the Nature of Quality of Chocolate" by Antonio Colmenero de Ledesma in 1644. The recipe called for 100 cacao beans, 2 chiles, a handful of anise, "Ear Flower", one vanilla pod, 2 ounces of cinnamon, twelve almonds or hazelnuts, one pound of sugar, and Achiote (annatto seeds to color the drink) to taste. All of these ingredients were boiled together and then frothed with a molinillo, a traditional Aztec carved wooden tool".

Up here in the Northwest where I live, it is especially cold in the winter, so I enjoy a cup of Mexican hot chocolate, but I don't follow the recipe above which sounds labor-intensive with all that grinding, finding and purchasing of several exotic ingredients, etc. (what in the world is "ear flower"?). I find it convenient to just buy the tablets of Ibarra brand manufactured at the Chocolatera de Jalisco in Guadalajara. All it contains is sugar, cocoa, and cinnamon. Some of my cousins prefer the Abuelita brand, but I bet that old Spanosh recipe made by scratch would be wonderful (except for maybe the chiles in it---some Kahlua would be better).

I recall my mother making hot Mexican chocolate and using one of those wooden molinillos which was just a stick with a bulbous end with wooden rings around the bottom. She would rub the stick between her palms to froth the drink. I often wonder what happened to that little molinillo.

Emilie
Port Orchard, Washington

i want to know where my last name armas came from it's origin?

Iv'e been trying to read this document for the past 2 hours and only found 10 words with help of my mom.So it would be awesome if some one can please translate this document for.

Document 363 page 322 LA Jabonera Felipe Armas Leonarda Lozano
link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15697-37801-59?cc=1410092&wc…

Hello primos y primas:
I have created a new "Coming Soon" page at guadalajaradispensas.com that lists the films currently being worked on or edited. I think it will help everyone know where the project stands and we don't duplicate efforts. Feel free to PM me if you have questions or comments.

Have a great weekend!

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Saludos primos y primas:
Hoy puse una nueva pagina llamada "Coming Soon" en el blog de guadalajaradispensas.com que identifica los films que se estan trabajando actualmente. Espero nos ayude para que no dupliquemos nuestro trabajo. Si tienen alguna pregunta o comentario, favor de mandarme un mensaje privado.

Que tengan un buen fin de semana!

Hola! Envío revisión de las dispensas de archivo de Diocesis de Guadalajara: 1797 Film 168097 / OAH-2435. Espero mi querida Claudia Reynoso las incluya en su archivo que muy amablemente comparte.

Buscaba matrimonio de JOSE MARIA ELIZALDE Y PAULINA UGALDE. Tengo su matrimonio (10 de mayo 1797), pero no encuentro su información matrimonial que me ayudaría a llegar a los padres de Jose Maria.