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Based on my knowledge of Mexican history and family history, I can fully
understand the confusion caused by the terms ¨hijo legítimo¨ and ¨hijo
natural¨. As of 1859, it was mandated by Mexican law that all marriages,
births and deaths must be first registered with the civil authorities (Registro
Civil).

In the case of a marriage, this meant the civil registration ad to take place
prior to the religous ceremony, commonly referred to as ¨las dos leyes¨.
For various reasons, the religous ceremony was/may be postponed by
days, weeks, monhs or years.

Eventhough the civil ceremony had taken place, any children born prior
to the religous ceremony were idntified as ¨hijos naturales¨ in church
records. At such time as the religous ceremony took place, the
margin of the baptismal entry was annoted ¨hijo legítimo¨.

George
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:48:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Leticia
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> Can someone help me out with the following.
> I am having a hard time reading a birth certificatea from mid 1800's, I
> was under the assumption "hijo Natural" is a child born to a single mom!
>
> what is the difference between:
>
> Hijo Legitimo de - to - Hijo natural de
> on both terms parents are listed as a couple.
> In other cases the name of the baptised is listed followed by the term
> "Natural"
> and then the name of the parents.
>
> Help, Letty

Does anyone use this Family History Center?

http://www.larfhc.org/Mexico.htm

You are right Joseph. I sincerely apologize. I was having a
frustrating day and my mind took off in the wrong direction. This is
one of the best groups on the web and doesn't deserve the pettiness
in my previous email. I thank you for your patient response. I hope
the rest of the group will forgive me, too.

Linda Romero

On Aug 11, 2006, at 3:12 AM, general-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:43:25 -0500
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Login once a year/Creating More Discussion
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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> I think you are totally misunderstanding what I was suggesting.
> There is
> a difference between "Login In" and the discussion that takes place on
> the email distribution lists. I am in no means proposing that if you
> don't say something "ONCE A YEAR" on the email discussion list you
> will
> be eliminated from the group. No not the point. I am trying to find an
> easy way for me to remove members from the group that are not truely
> members. The Log In means you take your "USER NAME" and "PASSWORD" and
> use them (log in) on the http://nuestrosranchos.org site.
>
> When you do that it leaves a "signature" of sorts in that I can easily
> see that you or anyone has logged into the site. So if a person hasn't
> logged in after a year then I'll send them an email asking if they
> want
> to remain members. If they say yes then fine they can remain
> members as
> long as they have met the initial requirements: 1) do your own
> research
> and 2) send in a representative tree showing their connection to our
> area of research. BUT if the person never replies or replies with a
> "Not
> Interested" then I'll go ahead and delete their membership.
>
> So unless you want to get a message from me on 01 May 2007 just log in
> once. . .you don't have to spend hours researching or anything
> just log
> in. logging in takes about 1 minute and you are finished. In fact
> If you
> log in immediately you will not have to worry about this until 01 May
> 2008 when the next time after this first time that I will be
> sending out
> emails to people who haven't logged in for over a year.
>
> What do you think is what I said still unclear?
>
> joseph
>
> ps: if you want more discussion about your particular area of research
> why not do like I did when I originally started the Yahoo Ranchos. I
> knew When I first started I didn't know anything so I decided to
> surround myself with other researchers that were researching my
> area of
> research thus originally the yahoo group was for Jalisco and Zacatecas
> and then the members decided to add Aguascalientes. So if you go to
> Ancestry or Roots web and do a message search for your particular
> areas
> in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes then find those that are
> "Serious" Inquiries. Email those individuals and ask them to consider
> membership in the http://nuestrosranchos.org group, But give them a
> warning that it is only for those that are serious about their
> research
> and tell them about the requirements of the group. Linda, get
> active in
> finding others you can network with. . .believe me it has been a
> blessing for me and my research and I just know that it will be for
> yours.
>

was reading a brief that said the UC System was joining the Google book
project.

I hope this is true and that they start with the books

on Mexico

let's hope.

joseph

ps: if anyone has more info please pass it on to the "general" list.

Can someone help me out with the following.
I am having a hard time reading a birth certificatea from mid 1800's, I was under the assumption "hijo Natural" is a child born to a single mom!

what is the difference between:

Hijo Legitimo de - to - Hijo natural de
on both terms parents are listed as a couple.
In other cases the name of the baptised is listed followed by the term "Natural"
and then the name of the parents.

Help, Letty

What would eliminating everyone who doesn't log in once a year
accomplish? Instead of a group researching and sharing information
about ancestors in the Jalisco area of Mexico, would this then morph
into a small group whose members live in California and can meet at
restaurants for a monthly luncheon and exchange of information on
their relationship to Moctezuma? Some of us lurkers keep tabs on the
information online until something that pertains to our research
comes up and we can participate.

By all means continue your luncheon meetings. They sound like fun.
But don't kick the rest of us off because our line of research hasn't
come up for a while. We keep reading, enjoying others information
and breakthroughs, and hoping a little smidgeon of information on our
lines will come across to allow us to participate in the
discussions. When they do, you'll hear from us.

Until then, I'll monitor the discussions unless I'm kicked off for
not belonging to the current line being researched and discussed.

Linda

Babelfish:

¿Qué eliminando a cada uno que no lo hace conexión una vez al año
lograría? ¿En vez de un grupo que investigaba y que compartía la
información sobre antepasados en el área de Jalisco de México, este
entonces morph en un grupo pequeño que miembros viven en California y
puede satisfacer en los restaurantes para un alumerzo y un
intercambio de la información mensuales sobre su relación a
Moctezuma? Algunos de nosotros los lurker mantienen lengüetas en la
información en línea hasta algo que pertenece a nuestra investigación
viene para arriba y podemos participar. Sin falta continúe sus
reuniones del alumerzo. Suenan como la diversión. Pero no golpee el
resto con el pie de nosotros apagado porque nuestra línea de la
investigación no ha venido para arriba por un rato. Guardamos el
leer, gozando de otros información y las brechas, y esperar un poco
smidgeon de la información sobre nuestras líneas vendrá a través
permitir que participemos en las discusiones. Cuando lo hacen, usted
oirá de nosotros. Hasta entonces, supervisaré las discusiones a menos
que apagado me golpeen con el pie para no pertenecer a la línea
actual que es investigada y discutida. Linda

I'm thinking of something and would like some feed back on it.

I'm thinking of making it mandatory to login to the actual website once
a year or your membership will expire.

I would think that visiting the website once a year would be something
that we could all do without a problem. It would also help me to weed
out members that truly are not active on the group. I'm not wanting to
hold the membership up to some artificial number.

what do you all think? Would it be to much to ask all members to log
into the group once a year?

thanks for your feed back.

joseph

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Estoy pensando en algo y quisiera sus piensamentos de él. Estoy pensando
hacerlo obligatario que todos visiten la pagina:
http://nuestrosranchos.org una vez al ano (login). Pensaría que eso
visitar el Web site una vez al año sería algo que podríamos todos hacer
sin un problema. También me ayudaría cortar los miembros que no son
verdad activos en el grupo. No estoy deseando llevar a cabo la calidad
de miembro hasta un cierto número artificial. ¿qué usted todo piensa?
¿Estaría a mucho para pedir que todos los miembros visiten el grupo una
vez al año? las gracias por su retroactúan.

José

I believe this is more than reasonable.
Thanks
Gilbert

Joseph,
My vote for "Open for discussion" is that once a year seems fair to me.

Thank you so very much for opening up this wonderful website! I have learned so much about my ancestor's and am constantly learning new things. We have a wonderful group of very informed and helpful members.

I don't agree with the last email about this only being a California group. Since I have joined I have noticed people from a variety of states. This is just as the forum say's just a topic that is open for discussion. I don't like when people get nasty or negative. Let's work together to make it work for all of us! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JOSEPH AND STAFF!!

MUCHAS GRACIAS,
Maria Elena Gutierrez

I just went through the films for Zacatecas and wondered if there is a way to put the film numbers in order by catagory and sequence? It would help to keep us from entering duplicate film or batch numbers.
Just a suggestion.
Linda in B.C.

Joseph, when I get into the Nuestros Ranchos site it acknowledges me by name unless I'm on a different computer then it asks me to sign in.. Does this site record or show how often we are actually into the Nuestros site? If it does then those who use the site would not have to do anything special and you would have a record of who has not used the site for the last year... or am I over simplifying it?
Linda in B.C.

es buen idea. . .hagalo. . .si algunos quieren entra en discusion de
cualquiera tema relacionado a nuestra genealogica aganlo. De un libro
específicamente??? Si buen idea.

joseph

great idea. . .do it. . .if some want to enter into a discussion on
whatever topic related to our genealogy do it. About a specific book???
Great Idea.

joseph

francisco sevilla wrote:

> Me parece perfecto.
> Ademas me gustaria establecer una "tertulia" sobre algun libro o tema
> de nuestras tierras o de nuestros ancestros, para luego dar nuestras
> opiniones en la red..que les parece buena idea o no?
>
> Once a year is reasonable.
> I would also like to establish a "literay circle" regarding a topic or
> a specific book that deals with our birthplace or the birthplace of
> our ancestors, and late discuss it on tis web page. What do you think,
> good idea or a bad one? Francisco, from CATARINA Jalisco.
>
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Esther and Humberto:

This is what I have been able to find regarding
Arreola/Villarreal/Bermea/Trevino Except where otherwise indicated, all were born in
Gigedo/Rosales/Villa Union (same town) Coahuila.

Gaspar Bermeo married abt 1742 MaCandalaria de los Rios in Nadadores,
Coahuila (Indios Tlaxcaltecos) (ggggg grandparents)
+Lucas Bermeo Rios married Feb 15, 1768 Andrea Flores
+Tomas Bermea Rios married Jan 27, 1762 Juana Flores (Gigedo)
+Joaguin Bermea Flores married abt 1795 Brigida Hernandez (Gigedo) (gggg
grandparents)
+Mathia Bermea Hernandez
+Mateo Bermea Hernandez
+Diego Bermea Hernandez married April 28, 1819 Timotea Gomez (ggg
grandparents)
+Santos Bermea Gomez b: 1854 married 1870 Ramon Cardenas
+Norberto Bermea Gomez
+Margarita Bermea Gomez
+Ricardo Bermea Gomez
+Anastasia Bermea Gomez
+Francisco Bermea Gomez (married 1819) Timotea Trevino
+Julian Bermea Gomez and Romana Arreola (gg grandparents)
+Maria de los Santos Bermea Arreola b: 6/3 (bapt) June 14, 1867 – Rosales
(IGI #C601581) (g grandmother)
+ Victoriana Bermea Villarreal married Arnulfo Villarreal Trevino
(grandparents)
+ Eleazar Villarreal Villarreal
+ Elida Villarreal Villarreal
+ Eloida Villarreal Villarreal
+ Expectacion Villarreal Villarreal
+ Elva Villarreal Villarreal
+ Efrain Villarreal Villarreal (father)
+ Maria de Jesus Villarreal Bermea Villarreal
+Jose Donato Bermea Arreola (baptized) May 31, 1863 – Rosales (IGI Batch #
C601581)
+Federico Bermea Arreola (baptized) March 26, 1866 – Rosales (IGI Batch#
C601581)
+Jose Fernando Arreola (baptized) Jun 9, 1861 (father not listed)
Laurencio Villarreal Trevino may have come from Hidalgo, Nuevo Leon
(formerly known as Nuestra Senora del Pueblito)
Laurencio Villarreal Trevino married Expectacion Elizondo Elizondo
(ggrandparents)
+Laurencio Villarreal Elizondo
+Francisca Villarreal Elizondo married Benjamin Lira
++ Humberto Lira Villarreal
++Homero Lira Villareal
++Ernesto Lira Villarreal
++Francisco Lira Villarreal
++Policarpo Lira Villarreal
++Minerva Lira Villarreal
++Enriqueta Lira Villarreal
++Rebecca Lira Villarreal
++Yolanda Lira Villarreal
+Arnulfo Villarreal Elizondo b: Jun 14, 1894 d: Jan 15, 1969 married
Victoriana Villarreal Bermea b: Sept 22, 1894 d: May, 1969 (grandparents)
Some of the information was obtained through a 2nd cousin/aunts/uncles and
has yet to be substantiated with primary documents by myself.
Esperanza

Hola Eddy:

Saludos desde GUadalajara:

Si tengo a los padres de esa persona hermosillo, y lo de tu genealogia
no lo habia
visto apenas acabo de verlo, luego te doy mis comentarios.

Oye tengo una sobrina que en Enero Pasado acabo de terminar tambien la
carrera
de Mercadotecnia en la U de G, se llama Julissa Joey Guzmán Velazquez y su
hermano Jose Brian tambien esta estudiando lo mismo, creo que el apenas va
en 2do,
o 3er. Semestre, los conoces?.

Atentamente:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

oyes tomas te mande mi genealogia de gutirrez no se si te llego.

y viendo tu genealogia de alba en la 9º generacion aparece una persona con
apellido hermosillo tienes los padre de esta persona

Deena,

I also have had a question about Puerto vs. Puesto vs. Puerta.

On my husband's gggg-grandmother's (Maria Maxima Duron Reyes) birth record (can be viewed only in IGI-submitted by a member after 1991) her birth place is listed as Puerto del Marquez, Aguascalientes, 1792. I was able to obtain a copy of her original marriage record for 1814 on a microfilm for Rincon de Romos--"en la capilla del Rincon") and it says "originaria y vecina de la jurisdiction de Aguascalientes en el puesto del Maguei". She was 22 years old, putting her birth year at 1792. The groom (Patricio Martin) was living in the Hacienda de Pavellon, age 19.

The IGI also lists her baptism record on film 0299449 that I haven't sent for yet. She was christened on 11 SEP 1792 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. I am wondering what birthplace will be given in that record.

When I tried to find either mentioned birthplace in Aguascalientes on MSN Maps, the closest listing I get is Puerta del Llano, Aguascalientes. Could these Puerto/Puesto really be Puerta de ----? What does "Puerta de" mean in relation to a town? All I can think of in English is "gateway to". Is there a map that shows Puerto/Puesto/Puerta del Marquez/Maguei?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Yolie
Pray, Hope, Don't Worry

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Joseph or Arturo - I was able to post my Asebes family tree. Can one of you please put it where ever it belongs? Or give me instructions how to move it?

Hi,

For more information on Dona Leonor Moctezuma see book:
The Encomederos of New Spain 1521 - 1555
Author Ropbert Himmerich Y Valencia / It sites the place where they got there sources.

Take Care

Patsy Ludwig
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Today's Topics:

1. Was Leonor Cortez Moctezuma married first with CONQUISTADOR
CRISTOBAL DE VALDERRAMA and then with TOLOSA? (alfonsogonzalezg)
2. See the article about Coacalco (alfonsogonzalezg)
3. Re: El Papalote in San Juan de los Lagos, Jal. research
Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 (Irma GomezLucero)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:33:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: alfonsogonzalezg
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Was Leonor Cortez Moctezuma married first
with CONQUISTADOR CRISTOBAL DE VALDERRAMA and then with TOLOSA?
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi,

I'm tracing the line of Leonor Cortez Moctezuma, the daughter that was never recognized by his mother Isabel Moctezuma. I have found some records about she was married with Juan de Tolosa, but in others mention that she was married first with Crist?bal de Valderrama, infact the line that goes to Petronila de Moctezuma comes from this one.

Juan de Altamirano (his descendants become the counts of Santiago Calimaya) took care of Leonor Cortez.

I'd like to know if this Leonor Cortez married with Crist?bal de Valderrama is the same that later married with Tolosa. You can check this link:

http://groups.google.com.mx/group/Genealogia-Mexico/msg/62b3788a4ebcaebb

Please don't forget that there was a Leonor Moctezuma (half sister of Isabel).

Does anyone has records about this subject? I mean, records that could prove that the investigation is 100% accurate?

Thank you
Alfonso

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:43:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: alfonsogonzalezg
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] See the article about Coacalco
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:

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In the history of Coacalco mentions that Leonor Moctezuma (half sister of Isabel) married with Crist?bal de Valderrama. Then there is a contradiction between the genealogical tree that is accessed by the link I just posted in my first comments.

If we go by the Coacalco information, then Petronila de Moctezuma would be descendant of Leonor Moctezuma, but not from Isabel and Hern?n Cortez. Does anyone has a record that could prove one theory or the other one?

You can read the Coacalco info in the following link:
http://www.coacalco.com/sitio2/m_siglo16.htm

Regards,
Alfonso Gonz?lez

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:47:16 -0700
From: "Irma GomezLucero"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] El Papalote in San Juan de los Lagos,
Jal. research Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5
To:
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Hola Nelida,
I have ancestors from the ranch El Papalote in San Juan de los
Lagos through my Maternal Grandmother, Juana Padilla, but I believe it
is through her Gutierrez or Padilla lines. I'll double check with my
mother.

Yo tengo ancestros que vivieron en el Rancho El Papalote en San
Juan de los Lagos por parte de mi abuela materna, Juan Padilla, pero
pienso que eran Gutierrez o Padilla. Tendre que averiguar esto con mi
madre.

Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
Sacramento, CA
USA

I would like to know if anyone has any information regarding el RANCHO
EL PAPELOTE IN JALISCO. My grandmother was from there. I don't know if
that would belong to San Julian Jalisco or San Juan de Los Lagos
Jalisco. My grandmother Camila Estrada was from that area. I can't
seem to find anything on the web regarding this rancheria. Can anyone
help?

Gracias,
Nelida Vazquez Estrada

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The word that sometimes looks like "puerto," when identifying the place
where the person in question lived, is "puesto." While it can literally
mean "place" or "position," it also translates to a "post" or "station,"
which is what I have assumed to be the appropriate use here -- perhaps
similar to the Pony Express stations or railroad depots of America's western
frontier in the 1800s? I'd be interested in learning more.

~Deena~

Hola Nelida,
I have ancestors from the ranch El Papalote in San Juan de los
Lagos through my Maternal Grandmother, Juana Padilla, but I believe it
is through her Gutierrez or Padilla lines. I'll double check with my
mother.

Yo tengo ancestros que vivieron en el Rancho El Papalote en San
Juan de los Lagos por parte de mi abuela materna, Juan Padilla, pero
pienso que eran Gutierrez o Padilla. Tendre que averiguar esto con mi
madre.

Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
Sacramento, CA
USA

I would like to know if anyone has any information regarding el RANCHO
EL PAPELOTE IN JALISCO. My grandmother was from there. I don't know if
that would belong to San Julian Jalisco or San Juan de Los Lagos
Jalisco. My grandmother Camila Estrada was from that area. I can't
seem to find anything on the web regarding this rancheria. Can anyone
help?

Gracias,
Nelida Vazquez Estrada

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:11:06 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <44D541AA.3000805@nc.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

go here: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
and under p and then Papelote it says:

"Rancho de la Municipalidad de San Juan de los Lagos, segundo canton,
estado de Jalisco. Otro de la municipalidad de Union."

joseph

hola Miguel y Leticia:

Yo tambien soy nuevo relativamente en este grupo y ya he participado
varias veces
y como pueden ver anteriormente ya me presente y mi genealogia via paterna
es de
la region de los altos de Jalisco, mi inquietud por investigar mi
genealogia se remonta al año de 1985 cuando fallecio mi abuelita paterna
Mucia Gutierrez Ramirez vda de Villegas, y al abrir la petaquilla donde ella
guardaba sus recierdos mas preciados
encontramos varias fotos antiguas de principios de 1900 y lo que mas me
impacto
fue un cuadernillo tamaño oficio o legal, sin empastar, donde mi querido
abuelo
Francisco Villegas Navarro, anoto de puño y letra los nacimientos de todos
sus hijos
anotando su fecha y hora de nacidos y el dia que se bautizaron, que
sacerdote los bautizo y cuales fueron sus padrinos de bautizmo, esto
anterior estaba bajo el apartado de Nacimientos y en otra seccion del
cuadernillo bajo el nombre de "Defunciones" anoto desde la defuncion de su
madre (Mi Bisabuela) Paula Navarro Franco y las defunciones de 3 de sus
hijos (hermanos de mi padre) que murieron infantes, y en el registro de
estas actas mi abuelo les ponia algo que para mi fue muy emocionante, al
final de cada acta generalmente terminaba con la frase: "Dedico este
recuerdo a mis hijos" y las firmaba, estas actas de recuerdo asi como las
fotos antiguas que guardaba
mi abuelita Mucia, fueron las que me inspiraron para iniciar mi
investigacion genealogica, dedique varios años en 1895 a 1989 aprox. a
investigar, pero el proceso e investigacion era muy lento en comparacion de
ahora, ya que no existia el Internet y yo no sabia nada de los Mormones o
los miembros de la Igesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Ultimos Dias,
que son los mayores genealogistas del mundo, yo trate de
buscar personas con experiencia genealogica para que me ayudaran, pero
encontre una persona de mucha experiencia y prestigioi con la cual fui muy
ilisionado con esperanzas de que me ayudara en mi investigacion, y o
desepcion, en vez de ayudarme y alentarme, hizo lo contrario, me regaño y me
dio un sermon y me desilusiono enormenmente y gracias a esto olvide mis
investigaciones por muchos
años, incluso perdi muchas anotaciones de lo que habia investigado, y solo
retome
la investigacion hasta finales de 1999, y ya con internet, supe de los
mormones y empece a ir a los Centros de Historia Familiar ademas del
Arzobispado de GUadalajara, y ahora a pesar de que las investigaciones
siguen siendo muy
tardadas y minuciosas, ya es una gran ayuda el IGI y el intercambio con
otros
Genealogistas por medio de internet.
En Fin, al grano: yo tambien tengo de Alba en mi Genelogia por
medio de la ascendencia de mi Abuetita Mucia, y es asi:

1a. Generacion: Yo.- Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez
2a. Generacion: Mi Padre: Tomas Villegas Gutierrez
3a. Generacion: Mis Abuelos: Francisco Villegas Navarro y Mucia Gutierrez
Ramirez.
4a. Generacion: Mis Bisabuelos: Gil Gutierrez Flores y Josefa Ramirez Perez
5a. Generacion: Mis Tatarabuelos: J.Glpe.Gtz. de Alba y Ma.Dolores Flores
Torres
6a. Generacion: Mis 4tos.Abuelos: Juan Gtz.Macias y Dolores de Alba Gomez
7a. Generacion: Mis 5tos.Abuelos: Juan Jose de Alba de la Mora y Ma.Isidora
Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
Martin del Campo
8a. Generacion: Mis 6tosAbuelos: Francisco de Alba Gomez y Maria de la
Mora
9a. Generacion: Mis 7mos.Abuelos: Juan de Alba y Antonia Gomez HM
Hermosillo

y hasta aqui tengo de mis ancestros de Alba, Juan de Alba que nacio
Aproximadamente en 1668 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Casado con Antonia Gómez
Hurtado de Mendoza Hermosillo que nacio aprox. en 1675, se casaron Aprox. en
1693 en Teocaltiche, Jal., no se si alguien pueda ayudarme a ir mas atras
con los
de Alba, por ejemplo tu Miguel, dices que tienes investigacion de el primer
de Alba
que vino con Hernan Cortez, yo no tengo eso, me puedes dar esa informacion
por
favor, tambien se que hay un libro sobre los de Alba, escrito hace varios
años, el titulo
del libro decia algo asi como: Estudio Genealogico de una seccion de los de
Alba del
Estado de Jalisco, o algo asi, si algien tiene el libro que pueda compartir
copias del
mismo para seguir mi investigacion o me pueda decir donde comprarlo, se los
afradecere muchisimo.

Saludos desde GUadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas
Gomez

I have been doing research on my fathers family (Asebes) since June 03. Now I have run into a brickwall with Ricardo de Asebes and his wife Ana Maria de Hortis. They are my 4th great grandparents. I cannot find any information about them in the Familysearch program. I have copies of their son, Dionicio/Leonicio (my 3rd great grandfather) and their daughter Maria Quirina, marriages, where it states that they were married (each 2 times) in Nochistlan, Zac. His marriages were in 1799 and 1804, and hers in 1803 and 1820. It also says that he was "originario del Puerto del Arroyo Hondo". We cannot read where she was from. My husband is from Tonala, Jal. and helps me translate. On those records are the names of Ana and Ricardo only, no grandparents. Also I cannot find any birth/baptismal records for Dionicio or Quirina. I would appreaciate any help.
I am also trying to figure out how to submit my Family Tree.

Rickie Rosales

My grandmother "CAMILA ESTRADA" was born around 1894 en EL PAPELOTE JALISCO. She resided in Canadas de Martinez with my grandfather CELSO VAZQUEZ he was 25 years her senior. My great-grandmother and grandfather LUCIO AND LUCINA ESTRADA I am assuming were from EL PAPELOTE. I don't have any information regarding my grandmothers and don't know if EL PAPELOTE would belong to San Julian or San Juan de Los Lagos Jalisco. I don't have any other information regarding my grandmother other than she passed on around 1937, I would like to know more about the rancheria and where these people orginated from. My dad was orphaned very young and does not remember very much about his parents. Any information would be very much appreciated.

Gracias,
Nelida Vazquez Estrada

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You write:
My grandfather was born 1930 in Laredo, Texas where I'm not sure the baptism
records are as in-depth as I've found them to be in Mexico. What's also
interesting is that my grandfather was born when Nicanor Pineda was age 46
and as far as we know, my grandfather was his first child.

If your grandfather was baptized in a catholic church, the records are
definitely as detailed as those in Mexico. The listing of great-grandparents
was a requirement under some sort of council and was mandated by the Vatican
beginning in 1810 or so.

Do you know what parrish in Laredo your grandfather was baptized in?