Hello Researchers,
I keep encountering the word "Pazuulo" and "Pazuula" after names, such as "Maria, India Pazuula." Does anybody know what this means? I checked an antique Spanish dictionary and could not find the word. I also checked the Internet and had no luck.
Alice
Hi everyone,
I'm still researching the Fulgencio Valdez and Cecilia Hernandes line. Born 20 years before 1831 or born in 1811. My biggest problem has been trying to figure out Celcilia's mother's last name.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20468-13357-68?cc=1860864…
Jose Maria Hernandes and his wife "Maria Gregoria Marmeto"...I know that the priest probably misspelled this but I can't find a surname that I can apply to mispelling.
Patrones ...Juan Esteban (can't understand if the this is his last name or a suppose to be a Spanish word) Y su mujer Maria Caluida Banegas.
Also in the sidebar it says what village they are from...but I can't figure out what village that would be.
In the marriage record that I found for a Jose Maria Hernandez and a Maria Geogoria Marceto it seems that Jose Maria is a widower and they were only married in 1825. Which would mean that Cecilia could not be Gregoria could not be her mother. Unfortunately this marriage is held in Ixmiquilpan and not Mequitic de Carmona which makes me think the records aren't related because in the Marriage record for Fulgenico and Cecila it states that they are both citizens of the village of ..... and therein lies my confusion or stumping.
last entry on left side (second page)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11229-13419-37?cc=1410092&wc…
And to continue my dilemma in my continuing research I found a baptismal record for a Sillia Hernandes born in 1811 whose father is Jose Maria Hernandes but whose is mother is a Josefa de La Cruz.
Last entry on the second page.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17188-13361-42?cc=1837906&wc…
I would like to say that I've tried all the extraction methods that the family history guides provides but my limited Spanish can sometimes be a disadvantage. I've been stumped on this for a couple of weeks now and I sure would like to make some progress, so all help is appreciated.
Could someone be kind enough to help me find me way around this puzzle. Thank you.
I have uploaded the name index for a book that I recently acquired:
Frederique Langue's compilation of historical information on the mining "aristocracy" of Zacatecas in the XVIII Century.
He montado el indice onosmatico de un libro que acabo de adquirir:
La recopilacion de datos historicos de la "aristocracia" minera de Zacatecas en el Siglo XVIII por Frederique Langue.
appearently familysearch doesn't have the baptism records for any of those years availible. is there another place where i could possibly get them from?
i'm asking this question since i'm trying to locate baptism records for a couple ancestors and their relatives.
I just found an entry while searching the early Durango records for a Lazaro Ortiz de San Pedro marrying a Maria de Chaide and Lazaro identifies his parents as Lazaro Ortiz de San Pedro and Maria Esquivel of Zacatecas.
Image 192/352, Defunciones 1622-1634, El Sagrario, Victoria de Durango, dated February 11, 1627: Vele a Lazaro de San Pedro hijo legitimo de Lazaro Ortiz de San Pedro y Maria de Esquivel veciana de Zacatecas aviendo precidido los amonestraciones y lo demos necessario? fueron los padrinos Isabel de Garete y Francisco de Avendano digo y lo vele con Maria de Chaide hija legitima de Juan de Chaide y de Francisca de Valle vecinos de esta ciudad.
I am hoping somebody out there familiar with the early Tlaltenango records can help me learn more about Lazaro Ortiz de San Pedro or Maria Esquivel. I'm guessing this would place the birth of Lazaro (the elder one) at around 1570-80. I saw some postings from several years ago and it appeared Arturo Ramos was very knowledgeable about the early families. Also, has anybody figured out why Ortiz has "de San Pedro" attached? Was there a place known as San Pedro in Spain?
Thank you.
Frecuentemente me topo con la frase "no le tocan los generales" en los documentos de dispensas cuando se toma la declaración a algún testigo.
¿Sabe alguien que significa exactamente?
Saludos,
Bernardo Menchaca
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and once I read report how do I share with yor data base?
Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez la pregunta dirigida a todos , encontre en un documento . La Casa de Diego de Coria que dice, Diego de Coria Cedula de su Majestad de recomendacion para el y sus hijos que son,y los demas decendientes Alonso de Coria..........Hijo Manuel de Coria..........Hijo Diego de Coria..........Hijo,y nieto de otro Conquistador Geronimo Lopez Diego de Coria ..........Nieto Hernado de Coria.........Nieto Juan Alonso Peralta.......Nieto ..... sera ? este Conquistador Diego de Coria , Padre de Manuel de Coria Peralta esposo de Catalina Lomelin. PAdres de Catalina de Coria Lomelin y Peralta.
hello...
I have been am indexing volunteer for a bit know, I actually have been doing lot for Zacatecas. Let me look into it and see if I could help.
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1. Help Please - Ygnacio Lopes De Lissalde y Angela Mercado
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3. Re: Help Please - Ygnacio Lopes De Lissalde y Angela Mercado
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4. Genealog?a de Nochistl?n antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:29:02 +0000 (UTC)
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help Please - Ygnacio Lopes De Lissalde y
Angela Mercado
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In researching the offspring of Cristobal Mercado y Angela De Thorrez (6th ggparents) I located a marriage record for their daughter Angela Mercado.
Many of the words in this document are proving to be a challenge for me. I would appreciate your help with the translation...
Catholic Church Records - Jalisco - Cuquio- San Felipe Matrimonios 1711-1762
Image 454 of 619 dated 08 Feb 1750...
Groom: Ygnacio Lopes de Lissalde, native and resident of Nochistlan, legitimate son of Joseph Lopez de Lissalde y Juana Carrillo (deceased).
Bride: Angela Mercado (the word/s after her name I can not "make-out,")native and resident of the village of Cuquio in the Pueblo de St. Judes (?), legitimate daughter of Cristobal de Mercado (deceased) and Angels de Thorrez (Torres):
Not sure what is being referenced for the individuals named...Diego Ruiz
y ? Cayetano de Robalcaba...(Witnesses ?)
This document is located at this URL:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-27834-15?cc=1874591&wc….
(the second document on the right hand page).
Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy, CA. USA
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:15:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help Please - Ygnacio Lopes De
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Pat,
See below, highlighted in yellow what I believe it to be.
Alicia
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help Please - Ygnacio Lopes De Lissalde y Angela Mercado
In researching the offspring of Cristobal Mercado y Angela De Thorrez (6th ggparents) I located a marriage record for their daughter Angela Mercado.
Many of the words in this document are proving to be a challenge for me.? I would appreciate your help with the translation...
Catholic Church Records - Jalisco - Cuquio- San Felipe Matrimonios 1711-1762
Image 454 of 619 dated 08 Feb 1750...
Groom: Ygnacio Lopes de Lissalde, native and resident of Nochistlan, legitimate son of Joseph Lopez de Lissalde y Juana Carrillo (deceased).
Arturo,
Regarding the issue of many of us not receiving posts to NR that do appear if we sign in to the forum: one thing I notice is that the same thing is happening to me from accounts of friends and relatives that are not members of NR. I get fooled into opening links to Linked In, etc because the sender is the name of a cousin, etc.
Recently I copied the e-mail asking me to check my cousin's Linked In, and sent it to him. He is not a member of NR. He says he did not originate that e-mail. He has Yahoo. Also, my nephew who has Yahoo and not a member of NR either also told me recently that his account had been hacked, that many Yahoo accounts had been hacked, and that the weird messages I thought he was sending me were not sent by him. He had to delete his Yahoo password and get a new one.
However, like I told Joseph, all that does not account for the posts that don't come through to NR, unless they are from people who have Yahoo? I trust when you have the time you will figure this all out.
Thanks for all the hard work you have put in for the group.
Emilie
I am experiencing the same problem of not receiving very many e-mails. I had posted a question about Tlaltenango a couple of days ago and didn't see any responses. I thought perhaps the nature of the group had changed and people were not as helpful as they used to be. Then, I just checked the website and saw 4 people offered helpful comments. Thank you all who posted and I hope the problem gets fixed. I have a lot of questions these days regarding Zacatecas.
Iv'e been trying to look for these two individuals baptism records or marriage records but nothing.The only info that i have on them is the following Sebastian Munoz from La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas age 55 estimated birth year 1875.Maria Sostenes Aguirre resident of La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas age 45 estimated birth year 1885.I got this info from the census down below
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MPT9-PKY
So please if anyone can help.
Joseph......I also noticed that I do not receive many messages from NR and when they do come in they are definitely SPAM and I do not open them. I just thought everyone was busy and not posting much. I will let you know if I continue to receive this type message in the future.
Thanks for the great job you and Arturo do for us!
Josie
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>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Spam Links - was RE: Not Receiving Posts
>> Joseph
>> But what is it that caused the not sending the real messages to Nuestros Ranchos? It seems the spam ones get through, but what causes the real messages to not be sent? I would like to get all the messages from Research, General, and Announcements.
>> Thanks,
>> Emilie
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In researching the offspring of Cristobal Mercado y Angela De Thorrez (6th ggparents) I located a marriage record for their daughter Angela Mercado.
Many of the words in this document are proving to be a challenge for me. I would appreciate your help with the translation...
Catholic Church Records - Jalisco - Cuquio- San Felipe Matrimonios 1711-1762
Image 454 of 619 dated 08 Feb 1750...
Groom: Ygnacio Lopes de Lissalde, native and resident of Nochistlan, legitimate son of Joseph Lopez de Lissalde y Juana Carrillo (deceased).
Bride: Angela Mercado (the word/s after her name I can not "make-out,")native and resident of the village of Cuquio in the Pueblo de St. Judes (?), legitimate daughter of Cristobal de Mercado (deceased) and Angels de Thorrez (Torres):
Not sure what is being referenced for the individuals named...Diego Ruiz
y ? Cayetano de Robalcaba...(Witnesses ?)
This document is located at this URL:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-27834-15?cc=1874591&wc….
(the second document on the right hand page).
Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy, CA. USA
Was the Nueva Galicia the location where mostly every european immigrant would settle?If so what would be the reason that they settled their?What other type of european group besides Spaniards would settle In the Nueva Galicia region specifically in the region of Los Altos of Jalisco because that's where mostly all my ancestors settled?
Might anyone have any additional information on my ancestor Maria Gutierres De Hermosillo who married Nicolas De Quesada on 08 Feb 1717 in Nochistlan Zac.
Unfortunately their marriage record did not provide their parents.
So far i have found four of their offspring.In the baptism record of Juan De Dios the padrinos were listed as Pedro Gutierres & Mariana ?, but I highly doubt these individuals would be Maria's parents they were married on the same year
Pedro Guttieres & Mariana Mexia https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZXF-V7M
Francisco Xavier Quesada Gutierres
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQZ-TYJ
Juan Antonio Quesada Gutierres
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQZ-BQK
Joseph Silberio Quesada Gutierrez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1PV-P25
Juan De Dios Queseda Gutierres
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQZ-BVD
Hello Researchers,
Last night I tried to review the following microfilm: Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Matrimonios 1626-1723. I am disappointed in that the handwriting is almost illegible for the late 1620's (I don't know about the rest of the microfilm because I did not get far). Do these entries appear on the IGI? And are there any transcriptions or translations available of the records?
Thank you so much,
Alice
I found the marriage record for this couple and it seems to have a lot of information. I can make out the parents of couple and their ages. I'm having trouble making out the rest of it without getting confused. In the record there seems to an infante Eliza and the grandparents names or at least I think it is. I would appreciate help in gathering this information. Thank you.
Juanita
Hola a todos
Hace poco descubrí nuevos datos sobre mi familia de los Altos, específicamente de Tepatitlán.
Mi antepasada, Ana González, nació alrededor de 1700 en Tepatitlán. Por una dispensa matrimonial descubrí que fue hija de un Luis González y hermana de otro Luis González.
Por otros matrimonios familiares, sospecho que era hija o nieta de Luis González Dominguez y de Antonia Rodríguez de Frías, pero me falta una generación. ¿Tendrán más información sobre esta familia? Sé que en el libro de las Familias de Nochistlán aparece la descendencia de los González-Domínguez, pero no encuentro el libro por ningún lado.
Agradeceré cualquier información que me pudieran proporcionar.
Un saludo
Alejandro
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I have been researching the Jerez area for some time. As I have found in many parts of my family, the intermarriage between families is breath-taking and predictable. For the longest time I had a brick wall in one line but recently found it in Jerez, where I should have looked before. An old document suggested that Antonio Villegas married Barbara Cablar, but it turns out it was a "typo" by the priest; it should have been Barbara Cabral. Once I realized the mistake, with many other supporting documents, the Barbara Cabral (born c. 1745 in Jerez) link takes me back to Domingo Cabral, I believe, courtesy of Nuestros Ranchos member Salvador Cabral, see http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/archivo/genealogia/cabral/archivo/cab… and http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/archivo/genealogia/cabral/archivo/cab….
Furthermore in the course of reading the above links, Salvador offers the following with respect to the apparent connection between the famous Miguel Caldera, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Caldera or in Spanish http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Caldera, and Domingo Cabral in the link here, http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/archivo/genealogia/cabral/archivo/cab…. I have read Powell's book on Miguel Caldera, see http://www.amazon.com/Mexicos-Miguel-Caldera-Americas-1548-1597/dp/0816…, and Powell specifically does not mention many Miguel Caldera direct family members since Miguel did marry. Powell does discuss Miguel's niece, illegitimate daughter Isabel, and subsequent marriages of these two.
My question is what is the documentation in the link, http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com/archivo/genealogia/cabral/archivo/cab…, where the "extended" Caldera family is discussed? I offer this question not as an argument but simply as an attempt for clarification. Miguel Caldera was a very important figure in the Nuestros Ranchos area. I would have emailed Salvador Cabral directly but I do not have his email address. Furthermore, I think Miguel Caldera discussions are probably interesting for this group.
By the way, I for one am grateful Salvador Cabral is a member of this group.
Thanks,
Ed Serros
Im trying to find these individuals parents as well but i just can't seem to find them either they are form nochistlan zacatecas i descend from their son Jose Del Refugio Jauregui he married Maria Encarnacio Lozano middle 1800's.
Ever since I was a kid, I have always been given this food to eat which is called, "Gorda"
http://imageshack.us/a/img809/8664/gordaup.jpg
That is my photo that I took before I ate it. It is eaten in the ranchos of our pueblo of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.
I am wondering if it originally came from Galicia, Spain? Because I have subscribed to the facebook page of Descruba Galicia. And at one point someone in that facebook posted a picture of the exact same thing that we eat called, "Gorda"
In other parts of Mexico I have never heard or seen the gorda that we eat in that format in my picture. I know that we have Gorditas in Mexico, but it does not have the format of the "gorda" that we eat in the ranchos of Huejuquilla like in my picture. Just to add more, in the ranchos we also dring "Atole Blanco" Which is a thick hot white flour drink.
